captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, where quality products for the american family have been a tradition for generations >> osgood: good morning. i'm charles osgood and this is "sunday morning." since the end of america's war in vietnam. even so, countless americans still remember the shock they felt when they first saw the girl in the picture. but that photo is just the beginning of a remarkable

hearing from jane pauley. >> reporter: a little girl screaming in pain from the napalm burning her body. an unforgettable image that helped end a war. did you ever wonder what happened to that little girl? >> i can't imagine how much closer to death a person could be. >> right. >> well, she's come very far since that terrible day. and we'll meet her ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: for the record... the music world is wild about harry- - harry connick jr., that is. and this morning, michelle miller will show us why. >> reporter: harry connick jr's musical journey started right here in new orleans.... so when you hear that music? >> yeah.

backdrop of music all the time. >> reporter: moving to a "big jr., coming up on sunday morning. >> osgood: jack the ripper was terrorized london more than a century ago. the search for clues as to his identity goes on. and this morning, lee cowan joins the hunt. >> reporter: there are perhaps few places quite as spooky as the cobblestone streets of east london in the dark.... >> every night of the week, we're busy. >> reporter: this halloween week -- why the city's most famous villain -- jack the ripper -- still sends chills... >> because we don't know the killer, and i think that's the mystery is still with us. >> reporter: the enduring and disturbing tale of jack the

morning. achieved fame in this country as part of the zany monty python troupe. he's lost none of his ability to make people laugh, as tracy smith has learned first hand. >> reporter: oh, admit it: the all these years. so too is its creator, john cleese. does it make you uncomfortable when people approach you? >> when they gush at me and tell me how wonderful i am, i don't know what i'm supposed to say. do you see what i mean? so i usually say, "i know." >> reporter: a not-so-silly walk with john cleese... >> the center of the british empire. >> osgood: ahead this sunday morning. martha tie her has a portrait of john sicker sargent. steve hartman is off to the races. and more first, here are the headlines for this sunday

2015. a driver careened into a crowd at yesterday's homecoming parade at the university of oklahoma in stillwater. four people were killed, among them a two-year old. 40 others were injured. here's juricka duncan. >> the driver knocked over this unoccupied police motorcycle before barreling through a crowd. one itness said bodies flew 0 feet into the air. the annual homecoming parade attracts tens of thousands of family, the parade is blocks away from the football stadium. jeff told us by phone, he was in young children. >> i just saw people running and the panic ensued. >> police arrested the woman as soon as she got out of the car. she lives in the area. according to her fiance chambers rarely drank alcohol. she worked at a frozen custard

she left work early but he isn't sure why. >> a nice girl. i mean, i got her up this morning, gave her hug and kiss and she made it to work. >> reporter: gaylord says he has no idea what may have caused chambers to drive into a crowd of people. despite the lives lost and numerous people injured, the football team played their game as scheduled, pausing for a investigators say it will take days before they know whether or not chambers was intoxicated. for sunday morning i'm. >> osgood: more heave rerain forecast for southeast texas as remnants of hurricane patricia hits. >> houston has nine inches of rain in the last 24 hours and it's still falling. overnight, 20 calls for high water rescues and some places around town, cars were abandoned

like the one in front of me which is nearly submerged. 186 miles northeast in texas nearly 20 inches of rain there was train that derailed, 46 cars were pushed on to their side by rushing water. two men on the train swam to safety. an 80-year-old man and his dog had to be rescued back here in houston the rain is expected to continue throughout the day. much of southeast texas under flash flood watch. >> outside houston, thank you. video frommal l lied kurdish forces the raid in iraq. a group of hostages being held by isis. 69 people were freed.

one american soldier died in the attack. yesterday the body that have american arrived at dover air force base in delaware. a native of oklahoma, was 39 years old. he leaves a wife and four sons. now the weather as you heard, more rain and wind in southwest. scattered showers in the northeast and pacific northwest. sunny over the plains. the week ahead, looks like the southwest is the place to be. coming up... john cleese looks

picture. >> osgood: anyone who lived through the vietnam war remembers the girl in the picture. the picture captures a terrible moment, while also raising a poignant question-- a question jane pauley sets out to answer in our "sunday morning" cover story. >> reporter: a little girl screaming in pain, trying to outrun the napalm burning her body-- an image seared into our consciousness still, the horrors of war visited upon an innocent child.

happened to that little girl? >> you can call me kim or kim phuc. now i'm 52. >> reporter: so, 43 years ago... >> that i got burned. >> reporter: ...was the day that defined the rest of your life. >> yeah, that day. >> reporter: 21-year-old nick ut was there that day, a vietnamese photographer on assignment for the associated press. >> i look in my camera viewfinder. i saw the girl naked running. >> reporter: he took the picture that would win the pulitzer prize. >> when she passed by my camera, i saw her body burned so badly. i said, "my god, i need to help her." >> so, they tried to help me. but after the... they pouring water over my body, seem like i pass out. i didn't remember anything else. >> reporter: he wrapped her in a

picture of her naked. i had covered her that way. she keep screaming, say, "i'm dying, i'm dying," all the time. >> reporter: he took her to the hospital, where the doctors thought she was dying, too. >> they placed me to the morgue because this... they give up hope. and they consider i have no, you know, no way to survive. >> reporter: they decided, "this one isn't going to make it." you were written off. >> yes. her three days later still alive, but barely. i can't imagine how much closer to death a person could be. >> and... right. >> reporter: but after 14 months and 17 operations, she did make it. >> when i... i heard that, i said, "wow, god not finished with me yet." ( laughs )

didn't feel like part of god's plan. only a little girl so horribly disfigured, who would ever marry her? >> at nine years old, i remember i thought, "oh, my goodness, i got burned and i became ugly, and people will see me different way." >> reporter: so, she dreamed of becoming a doctor, and, at 19, started medical school. but the picture caught up with her. the vietnamese government found a national treasure and a propaganda tool. >> so, they started to take me out to do a lot of interviews, filming. >> the late cbs news correspondent bob simon talked to her in 1995. >> headaches and loss of memory. wanted to study medicine but had to get i have up. >> i didn't know what was going

on i know that i couldn't go to school. that was a low point in my life. i became another kind of victim again, and it filled me up with hatred, bitterness and anger. >> reporter: when she could, she escaped to the library, to read. >> i just want simply to find a purpose for my life, why i was still alive. >> reporter: and at the library, she found an answer. >> then, among the book, i read is the bible, new testament. that is amazing turning point in my life. when i... i became christian, i have so much peace in my heart. i trust that god will open the door for me. >> reporter: by luck, she was

pham van dong. told him that because of all those interviews she couldn't study any more. >> i can remember when i met him for the first time. i told him all my stories. >> you tell the truth to the prime minister. >> why they did that to you? i will help you. >> and he did. she was sent to the university of havana with other vietnamese vietnamese students. and there, the girl who thought she was too ugly to be loved found the husband she thought she'd never have. you know what she calls you? >> she call me sometimes "perfect." my name means perfect, but i'm not perfect. >> reporter: his name is toan. they married in havana and honeymooned in moscow. but on the flight back to cuba, her journey took yet another amazing turn. kim told her new husband she had a different destination in mind. it's... you're... a refueling

stop. you've stopped in... >> newfoundland, canada. >> reporter: ...newfoundland, canada, and you're plotting... >> ( laughs ) yes. >> reporter: ...to get off that plane and not get back on it? how did you tell your husband what the plan was? >> i just explained so simple. i need, and i really seeking for freedom. >> i said no. i was in shock. i said, "kim, it's impossible for me to stay." >> reporter: but her mind was made up. she said that, "toan, i really need you. so, if i stay alone, i don't know if i can survive." i said, "okay, whatever you want, i do." >> reporter: and you said yes, and you got off the plane and did not get back on it? >> yeah. >> reporter: in canada, she was free to start a family and live a nearly normal life. but once again, the picture caught up with her. only this time, she embraced it.

is a powerful gift for me. >> reporter: a gift that led to a foundation to help children of war. she now travels the world as a unesco goodwill ambassador. >> i share with the people how horrible war is, how much people suffer. and i was the one of them. >> kim suffer a lot of pain, i can say, almost every day. >> reporter: almost every day for 43 years. when serious burns heal, the scarring isn't merely disfiguring; it can cause lifelong agony. so, how do you deal with the pain? >> wow! i pray. i set up my mind that i never, never concentrate on my pain.

to distract my mind by doing something, go out for a walk or talk on the phone or sing a song. >> reporter: she turns to her faith, but still sometimes she despairs. >> i hated my life. i cannot wait to go to heaven, to enjoy that no scar, no pain >> reporter: and then, by chance, she learned there might be a way to live a life without pain. >> i share my story at the church, and one gentleman came to me, and he say, "kim, i want ... i have daughter-in-law. she really help people who got burned. maybe you try to see her to

relieve your pain?" and so, i say, "yes, i will." >> reporter: dr. jill waibel is pioneering a new treatment for burns. and, last month, kim phuc went to miami for the first in a series of laser treatments. >> it goes all the way through to the other side. >> thank you so much for everything you have done for us. >> this is how deep her scar is. we're going to take out pieces, teeny pieces of >> what we know about scars is, they're all wrong. it's just chaotic healing. so, we're going to take out pieces, teeny pieces of skin with this fractional laser and then allow the body to heal it almost to normal. >> reporter: even with pain medication, the treatment can be difficult.

>> you can do this. you're strong. >> toan was there to held kim's h >> reporter: toan was there to hold kim's hand; and a.p. photographer nick ut, her lifelong friend, was there this day, too, to document the first chapter in a new life for the girl in the picture. >> osgood: ahead: up, up, and away.

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>> osgood: and now a page from our "sunday morning" almanac: october 25,1930-- 85 years ago today, the day transcontinental and western air inaugurated america's first coast-to-coast passenger air service. new york to los angeles in 36 hours, with an overnight stopover in kansas city. an airline with a prestigious link to charles lindbergh, t.w.a. gained added cachet in 1939 when aviation mogul howard hughes acquired control. hughes expanded t.w.a.'s reach overseas, changing its name to trans-world airlines in 1950.

>> speed with full load 57 passengers over 300 miles an hour. t.w.a. was a jewel of air travel's golden age, a symbol of in-flight glamour and style. >> osgood: that glamour reached its peak in 1962 with the opening of its new terminal at new york's idlewild airport, as j.f.k. was known. designed by renowned finnish architect eero saarinen, t.w.a.'s building looked from the outside like a bird with outstretched wings in flight; while on the inside, saarinen's futuristic design captured the optimism and excitement of the space age. sadly, it was not to last. a changing air travel marketplace and contentious ownership and labor battles helped send t.w.a. on a downward

american airlines took over what was left in 2001, and its fabled new york terminal was closed. now, after years in limbo, the building is on track to spread its wings again, re-imagined as an airport hotel. it's expected to open in 2018. just ahead -- portrait of painter john singer sargent. how was your commute? good. yours? good. xerox real time analytics make transit systems run more smoothly... and morning chitchat... less interesting. transportation can work better.

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now shows us. >> reporter: her name was virginie gautreau, but scandal turned her forever into "madame x," and just about did in the career of 28-year-old john singer sargent when he exhibited her in 1884 and shocked paris with her provocative pose. >> the great story behind this painting is that, in the original version, he accentuated her sensuality even more by dropping the strap off her right shoulder. >> reporter: betsy kornhauser is co-curator of a recent exhibition of sargent portraits at the metropolitan museum in new york.

strap is not falling off. >> he decided to paint it back. and he would keep the painting for the rest of his life until he finally offered it to the metropolitan museum of art. in 1907. at the time, he stated that he felt it was his finest work. >> reporter: that's saying something for an artist who, at 23, dazzled paris with this portrait of his teacher; and, at 24, this. and, at 25, this-- a huge portrait of a playboy paris gynecologist, considered a masterpiece. >> sargent is born in 1856, in florence, italy, to american parents, and he spends his early childhood growing up in europe. >> reporter: stephanie herdrich is another of the met show's curators. >> he grows up in a really kind of cultured world, exposed to

museums. he grows up to be fluent in english, spanish, french, italian. he speaks german. he's a very talented musician in his own right, playing the piano. >> reporter: think gilded age, that glittering era of sophistication and new money at the end of the 19th century. john singer sargent painted and lived it. he cultivated commissions from its rich and became famous for his luscious, flattering society portraits, which is exactly what critics often held against him. >> for a very long time he was, defined by his commissioned works, and he was defined by the people he painted. i think that was very unfair. >> reporter: his reputation,

reevaluation. >> john singer sargent, beyond being the most talented and celebrated portrait painter of his day, i think, looking back in time, we could say that he was one of the greatest artists of all time. >> reporter: the evidence-- his much more intimate paintings of people within his own circle, many of them provocative or famous cultural figures. so, with friends and fellow artists, writers, painters, he didn't need to flatter. >> exactly, exactly. he could go deeper and pull out, really profound character traits and very often reveal his feelings about the person. >> reporter: he loved painting other painters painting, singers singing, actors acting. >> we have here carmencita, who

in the period. >> reporter: in this portrait of her, he's channeling the old masters. but not in this oil sketch. he's trying to capture her in motion, as sargent saw her performing in a new york city music hall. compare it to this 1894 thomas edison film. >> reporter: at the time, sargent's style was considered daring, unconventional-- especially his paintings of friends such as robert louis stevenson, the author of "treasure island"; and the french impressionist claude monet, inside and outside. >> he's seated on his artist's stool, holding a palette. >> reporter: the actual picture

the museum of fine arts boston. >> it's a pure impressionist palette, and this was precisely what sargent was attempting to absorb and embrace at this time. >> reporter: he did so extravagantly, especially once he moved to britain to recover from the madame x fiasco. over time, the go-to portrait painter of his day but eventually lost interest in the grand paintings that made his name, preferring informal renderings of people he liked and watercolors, regarded as some of the finest ever painted. >> in 1907, he makes a formal declaration, "i'm not painting any more portraits." occasionally, he gets lured out of that for a very prominent commission, but he's got other interests in this period. and he's, you know, kind of painting what he wants to paint in this period.

after his death in 1925, it is those extraordinary, telling portraits that are treasured all over the world. the strange thing is, john singer sargent almost never painted himself. his only self-portraits were commissioned by others and reveal nothing about him. >> osgood: still to come: monty python's john cleese lays down >> practice law. >> lawyer. >> faith sailly plays her trump card. >> donald trump who has lots of high stakes issues on which is

>> a most charming and a female impersonator. >> osgood: john cleese raised obscured tee to new heights as monty python. which only first to tell you was no small challenge. tracy smith as hour sunday >> i realized very early on it's be funny. much easier. >> reporter: meaning? >> it's very, very hard, really, to make people laugh. >> reporter: but when you do... >> when you do... ( makes noise ) >> reporter: it's a well-known truth that comedy is hard, but somehow john cleese always manages to make it look easy. he created the 1970's british

barbs with james bond; and he at least half of it. >> he played it straight on "will and grace." >> i'm going to stick to you like bangers to mash. >> >> i'm going to stick to you like bangers to mash. >> you're not getting your banger anywhere near my mash. >> and now for something completely different. >> reporter: but this is how he'll likely be remembered: ( "monty python" music ) cleese is co-founder of the british sketch comedy troupe monty python. he co-wrote much of the material, and his athletic six- foot-five frame was a gag in itself. >> reporter: there's nothing silly about his walk anymore; a knee injury in 1985 ended all

that. but at 75, he is still a rock star. >> don't be so terrified. i'm really quite nice, despite what the british papers say. >> a british wonder! >> reporter: fans are keeping the silly walk alive. >> reporter: do they have a certain bit... >> they talk about their favorite sketch. >> reporter: what do you hear most often? >> oh, monty python in america. here, "fawlty towers." >> reporter: and is there one bit? >> people are often on about the "dead parrot" sketch. >> pushing up the daisies. this is an >> reporter: the "dead parrot" sketch is from 1969, but absurdity has a long shelf life. this huge dead parrot turned up

in a london park last summer to promote a python reunion show which sold out in under a minute. you're arguably the most famous of the python members... >> oh, much more famous... >> reporter: ...certainly... much more famous... >> ...much more famous, especially more famous than michael palin. come on. >> reporter: what's your relationship with fame? >> it's beyond ridiculous. >> reporter: you find it ridiculous? >> oh, please. >> reporter: does it make you uncomfortable when people approach you? >> when they gush at me and tell me how wonderful i am, i don't know what i'm supposed to say. do you see what i mean? so, i usually say, "i know," and that "you have excellent taste to recognize it in me." >> reporter: his background is somewhat more humble. born in england in 1939 and raised in a middle class home, john marwood cleese went to cambridge as a law student and wound up an actor with the esteemed cambridge footlights theatre group. >> this is the spot. >> reporter: your first theatre in london. >> used to be the new art. >> reporter: not so new anymore. in 1963, the group had a brief run at this london theatre.

>> it's tiny. ( laughs ) >> reporter: cleese got his first real taste of the big time and the stage fright that went with it. >> it was the fear of being bad much more than the desire to be good. sad, really. ( laughs ) when you're in what i used to be, which is frightened of making a mistake in live television, i had a minor breakdown quite early on for three hours after i'd done a show and i'd completely forgotten some lines. and i just cried and sobbed and sobbed because of the tension. >> reporter: if you were crying and feeling sick, what out- weighed that? >> well, i think it was because i liked writing so much, and performing was kind of completing the circle. >> reporter: and that was worth the nerves? >> yes. and the nerves got better after a while. that was '66. and then, as the audiences got more and more friendly on the python tours, you know, they were all on our side. >> reporter: and, as he writes

in a recent memoir, it seems john cleese learned to cope with anxiety at an even earlier age. what was your mother like? >> frightened, angry, needed to have everything her own way because she felt she couldn't cope otherwise. >> reporter: how did that affect you? >> i think i was frightened of her because when she got angry, she got really angry. >> reporter: he says his relationships with women suffered-- he's been married four times-- but cleese age of 101. >> she had a wonderful black sense of humor. on one telephone conversation when she was really telling me all the reasons why she didn't want to go on living. i said to her, "i have an idea." and she said, "oh, what is it?" i said, "well, i know a little man in fulham, and if you're still feeling this way next week, i could give him a call if

and kill you." and it was just a long pause, and she shrieked with laughter. >> reporter: she laughed. >> she really laughed at it, and it changed her mood. i could move to a different part of her mind through humor. >> don't call me stupid. >> at one time or another he -- the police and other to help you find the diamonds when he does he commit perjury in the high court. >> everybody does it in america. >> he wrote cowrote the hit "a fish called wanda" the script earned him oscar nomination but he's not in it for the accolades. >> you know, i was offered a c.b.e., a commander of the british empire. i said, "what british empire?" we've still got the falklands.

the honors, but john cleese has come to realize that his calling is nothing to laugh at. you mentioned that you were headed toward a career in law. >> yeah. >> reporter: do you think that you have a different... >> law. >> reporter: ...take on... >> law. >> reporter: ...law? >> law, law, law. >> reporter: law. >> law. >> reporter: law. i'm sorry, it sounds... >> lah. >> reporter: ... much... lah. >> lah. >> reporter: i'm from ohio. >> lah. sorry, where were we? law. >> reporter: you were going to be a lawyer... >> reporter: ...and practice law. >> a liar. >> reporter: do you think you have a different take on show business because it wasn't a childhood dream of yours? >> i always thought of show business as essentially trivial. >> reporter: trivial. >> there were serious things going on, like countries being run and armies fighting. and as i've gotten older, i realized the whole place is a madhouse. you know, it's a complete write- off. and then, i did a talk show; it was graham norton. and neil diamond came on and sang, and the whole audience sang "sweet caroline." and i looked at this audience, and i thought, "they're really

they were benevolent and warm and having a good time, and i suddenly thought, "my god, show business is important." it's not trivial anymore. i always thought it was. >> reporter: that must make you feel better about your life's work, then. >> i think it does, yeah, because i know people used to come out and say, "oh, you're so wonderful." what are they talking about? i didn't invent a cure for cancer, you know? i'm not jonas salk or something. but now, i see it more. i see that it's a way of... of just introducing happiness. >> reporter: maybe you are pretty wonderful. ( laughter ) >> well, i think i am. >> osgood: coming up -- we remember maureen o'hara.thoroughfares and corridors that were just totally pitch black. those things had to change.

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>> osgood: it happened just yesterday-- word of the death of actress maureen o'hara. known as "the queen of technicolor" for her fiery red hair, o'hara was born in ireland in 1920. she made her hollywood debut in the 1939 film "the hunchback of notre dame." o'hara went on to play natalie wood's mother in the classic christmas film "miracle on 34th

street," where she had a memorable confrontation with kris kringle, played by edmund gwenn. >> would you please tell her that you're not really santa claus, that there actually is no such person? >> well, i'm sorry to disagree with you, but not only is there such a person, but i am here to prove it. >> osgood: she played very different kinds of roles in five films opposite john wayne, actually duking it out with the duke in 1952's "the quiet man," her personal favorite. and she went back to motherhood times two in the 1961 film "the parent trap," with hayley mills playing both of her twin daughters. in a cbs interview back in 2000, she looked back with pride on her long career. >> i've always tried to do the best i could do, whether it was

punching john wayne or henry fonda or brian keith or jimmy wonderful men i worked with. >> osgood: o'hara's family says she died in her sleep at her boise, idaho, home. maureen o'hara was 95.

jack the ripper. >> osgood: a foggy night. jack the rip we're have craved. even as we prepare for the artificial frights of halloween, investigating the real terror that gripped london. lee cowan has been watching them at work.

alleys of london's east end... a booming business lurks in the dark. >> jack the ripper tour, guys. >> reporter: this isn't just for halloween. this macabre gathering happens nightly-- a band of the curious following in the very footsteps of london's victorian villain, jack the ripper. >> if anybody sees a guy with a top hat with a big mustache and a knife, about 180 years old, just ignore him. ( chuckles ) busy. think it is? >> i think it's the mystery. it's the environment he did it in-- the gas lamps and the cobbles, and the victorian london, the top hats, this kind of thing. >> reporter: mick priestly is our rather gruesome guide. >> somebody had cut her throat deeply in a nine-inch injury across here that was met by a six-inch one running back underneath.

these streets... >> that is katherine eddowes on the mortuary. many, he's still hiding in history's shadows. >> ( scream ) >> reporter: hollywood has made the ripper more myth than man-- top hat and cape, shrouded in fog, chased by the likes of johnny depp... but his crimes are savage in their brutality. his victims were the poor, all women, who had taken to london's streets in desperation. >> when we talk about jack the ripper's murders, there is an element that we might fall into, a situation where we really are glorifying violent acts against women. so, we have to be a bit careful, i think. >> reporter: alex werner is with

should be on display. because unlike sherlock holmes or dr. jekyll and mr. hyde, jack the ripper was very real. >> it's one of the most famous crimes of all time, i would say. >> reporter: the murders took place in london's white chapel district in late 1888. it's unclear just how many women the ripper claimed-- most agree it was at least four, probably five, but some say it could have been more. but it wasn't so much his gruesome tally that turned the ripper into a commodity, it was his coverage in the press. >> for journalists especially, this was sort of like, right, "we're got something really juicy here to use to sell our newspapers." >> reporter: rarely had a crime spree, complete with illustrations, sold quite the way jack the ripper sold. >> some have called this the first modern crime as being consumed by readers all around the world. >> reporter: letters sent to

newspapers-- purportedly written by the ripper himself-- pushed interest into hysteria. but many believe some of the letters were actually written by the story in the headlines. little did they know over a century later, he'd still be there. >> as soon as somebody comes along and says "i found jack the about it. everybody's interested, and he's back in the news again. >> reporter: there are hundreds of ideas about his true identity put forth by so-called "ripper- ologists" that fill shelves of books. one theory is that he wasn't even a man at all but a woman, >> perhaps my favorite: stephen hawking is jack the ripper. ( laughter ) >> reporter: crime novelist patricia cornwell got into the ripper game when she claimed to have solved the case back in 2002. she pointed to d.n.a. on one of the supposed ripper letters and traced it back to british

painter walter sickert, who did, in fact, have an odd fascination with the ripper, even painting this, what he titled "jack the ripper's bedroom." but critics questioned cornwell's methods, and, to many, sickert became just another in the long line of theories. >> there's a massive industry in keeping this a perpetuated myth. it's a big business. it's like the loch ness monster. >> reporter: russell edwards, a self-described arm-chair detective, is the latest to use d.n.a. to chase down the ripper's identity. he claims jack the ripper was a polish barber named aaron kosminski. so, how certain are you? >> i'm 100%. >> reporter: without a doubt it's him? >> it's definitely him, yeah, yeah. >> reporter: the proof he says came from this silk shawl he bought at auction in 2007. police, he says, retrieved the

the ripper's most grisly murders-- the killing of catherine eddowes on september 30, 1888. so, all those white dots are blood? >> yeah. >> reporter: edwards hired a molecular biologist at liverpool john moores university to conduct d.n.a. testing on the shawl. >> when he shows me the actual match, whew. overwhelming. >> reporter: he claims there was just enough genetic material left to link it to the victim. he even traced the d.n.a. back to one of her distant relatives. that, he says, proves the shawl was there that night. but the question remained, who else was there? >> this is where we got the d.n.a. for the ripper. >> reporter: there was one other stain, one that yielded another kind of d.n.a.-- genetic material edwards says matched perfectly the d.n.a. from relatives of aaron kosminski, that polish barber he believes was jack the ripper. police actually did consider kosminski a suspect at the time,

he died in a british asylum, largely unknown. >> we've proved this. you know, all the story absolutely fits like a jigsaw puzzle, you know? this may be, critics say the shawl has probably been handled by too many people too long ago, and any forensic evidence they fear has probably been contaminated. leaving just enough doubt that for many on this halloween anyway, jack the ripper-- or at least his identity-- is still on the loose. >> i think if we'd caught him, we probably wouldn't be standing

steve hartman next. >> osgood: is off to the races. her favorite horse, steve hartman tells us all about it. >> for as long as her parents can remember, 11-year-old brianna carsey has had this crazy dream. she has always wanted a broodmarea mommy horse, that would give birth to a baby horse that would grow up to become racing champion. >> absolutely, this was a fairy tale for her from day one. we put it off for five years almost because we don't have a farm. we have to rent stalls somewhere. >> it sounds expensive. >> yeah. >> why didn't you say no? >> she'll tell you she has me wrapped around her continuinger. >> her foal an ohio standard bred, she maimed it ljp got faith for the initials of the kids and got faith, for the faith she instantly had in him. >> i really loved him. >> from the beginning?

he's super soft, too. >> sweet. but that quick bond posed real problem for this push over dad. see, whatever reason brian thought once he explained to his daughter that her horse could never race, that it was a runt from poor breeding stock she would just agree to sell it. but obviously not. >> she's like, there's no price, daddy. so i'm talking to my wife like, we got ourselves in a mess here. i don't know how we're going to get out of this. we stake him to the races. >> this horse that doesn't belong in the races? >> the horse that i thought we should have gotten rid of already. >> he was more about the money. >> what were you seeing that your dad wasn't seeing? >> he didn't believe in him. >> brian was stuck. committed to boarding and training this long shot to end all long shots. this is not a wealthy family. brian runs small logistics company. and ohio racing, which is

>> mjb got faith was so slow he barely even qualified to compete. but then somehow, some way, won his first race. won his second race. his third and his fourth. qualifying him for the state championship held recently in columbus, ohio. >> i said, baby, if you finish third, you should be so thankful. she goes, daddy, if he in fishes last i'm going to be thankful. but he's going to win. >> and so it was. that this little horse with no pedigree, this pet with no reason for being here beyond the blind faith of a little girl, won an ohio sire stakes championship. >> brianna took home $15 0,000 that day.

as for the other half, she plans to use that money as down payment on a farm. >> i just want to have a farm be see him. >> that's her plan for happily ever after just a girl, her horse, knowing her father -- >> dad, can i please get a cat? >> no. >> probably a cat, too. c still to come. well-known. >> osgood: we head to the big

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>> can i get my picture. >> you are adorable. >> osgood: to some, he's the musician who has won three grammys and sold more than 28 million records. others want to shake hands with the movie star with roles in almost 20 films, not to mention primetime television shows like "will and grace." i'm not hitting on you. >> and two years ago he and two years ago, he was introduced to a new generation when he became a judge on "american idol." and heading into the popular show's final season, it's clear fellow superstar judges keith ryan seacrest are wild about harry. >> i think he's... he's a generous guy. heart. i mean, obviously, he's extremely talented. but, just as a human being, he's one of the most generous people that i've had a chance to get to know. ( laughs ) that's not enough. that's not enough. >> you know what i want you to do? i want you to go out, go out and

buy yourself something nice. >> you don't know where that's been. that's... >> i'm... i'm worried about >> but he's... he... he's a rare individual, wouldn't you say? >> yes. oh, gosh, yeah. >> who? >> that's the best show biz entrance ever, "he's a very rare individual." >> reporter: connick is always happy to play the class clown, but, for all the fun he's having on "american idol," his job as a judge is no laughing matter. >> everyone on this show has a purpose, and my purpose and my function is to judge. if you do something that i don't think is great, i'm going to say, "i don't think that's very good, and here's why." >> reporter: believe it or not, being a judge on a music show seems to be written in connick's d.n.a. his late mother anita really was a judge in new orleans city court, where his father, harry, sr., was a district attorney. and his parents also had a passion for music, once owning a record store.

signs of being a prodigy. soon, he was impersonating his heroes like louis armstrong, and studying under jazz master ellis >> your singing wasn't there. >> you are known as a tough guy up here. >> they need to go back spend few hours with ellis in that classroom. that was tough, tough. where you go home cry because they would say tough where you would go home and cry because they would say, "maybe you should think about another occupation, maybe music's not for you," kind of thing. that's tough. >> reporter: this, not so much. >> oh, this is baby food. >> reporter: talk about tough-- tough is sharing the piano with jazz great sweet emma barrett here at the famous preservation hall >> i would go up and play with her, and she had one arm that

was using about 90% of the keys, and she would give me the top and i couldn't do anything. ( laughs ) >> reporter: harry was just eight years old. >> i couldn't tell her, "hey, sweet emma, give me some more keys." and she would eat those sucrets, you know, those throat lozenges? and she would throw the wrappers at me when i was playing. she was... she was tough. ( laughs ) >> reporter: he kept at it, though, playing gigs, recording, and, in 1990... >> reporter: he attracted the attention of a certain tv news anchor. >> you may not have heard of the name, but you soon will. >> i want to have fun. this is my youth. i want to experience it. >> reporter: "sunday morning" first met connick 25 years ago when our own jazz great, the late billy taylor, was there to catch this rising star.

>> when it actually started to happen and the specifics of, like, billy taylor was talking like, billy taylor was talking to me, that... that's mind blowing. >> reporter: the 22-year-old had just released his breakout album, the "when harry met sally" soundtrack. >> it had to be you... >> this is coming from a guy who harry met sally," used to go into the record store and ask the person, "hey, you... you have the new harry connick, jr. cd," hoping that they would say, "wait a minute," which they never did. >> reporter: since then, he's been writing songs and lyrics to fill more than 30 albums. but his new album is a bit off- tempo... for the singer who is usually 100% in charge. on "that would be me," connick

collaborated with two outside producers, letting them call the musical shots. what was it like? >> it was amazing. i mean, i knew it was going to be uncomfortable and it was going to be intimidating. it was going to be frightening and humiliating and all of those things. >> reporter: humiliating? >> oh, yeah. sure, because i... you know, i'm sitting there and somebody else is telling the musicians what to play. >> reporter: was it hard for you the give up control? >> oh, yeah, it was really hard. at one... at one point, i actually walked out of the studio. >> reporter: one of the producers, butch walker, caught up with him. >> he said, "listen, we're both going to get to the finish line. i would just appreciate it if you respected my journey to the finish line." >> reporter: these days, along with raising three daughters with his wife, model jill goodacre, and making music, connick, age 48, has been cultivating his own roots back in the city he loves. ten years ago, as katrina's flood water drowned his hometown, connick and fellow

musician and friend branford marsalis came up with an idea to help preserve the musical future of new orleans. they dreamt up this place, the musicians' village-- 82 homes built by habitat for humanity for musicians displaced by katrina's wake. this is a real legacy. >> oh, man, i can't even believe it. it... it's... you know, if you can imagine what this looked like before katrina. >> reporter: the centerpiece of the village is the ellis marsalis center for music, with teaching rooms for students, recording studios and a 170-seat performance hall. this is just not a stage with, you know, some walls here and a piano. i mean, this is to spec. >> yeah. the greatest sounding halls in we're smack in the middle of the ninth ward in new orleans, and we have this state of the art facility that has the most incredible acoustics. it's just unbelievable.

and so, imagine if you're a little kid-- especially from a low-income family-- and you get to come and play on this stage. like, it's... it's so empowering. >> reporter: connick makes sure he visits regularly, fielding questions... >> did you teach yourself, or did someone help teach you? >> i had so many people helping me. >> reporter: ...and passing along some tricks of the trade. >> that's it. now, could you try to keep these fingers down? you're... there you go. look at your pinkie. my pinkie used to do that, too. can i fix one thing for you? i'm going to pull you back just a little bit. there you... there you go. give yourself a little room. nice work, guys. i'll see you all soon. >> reporter: and while there is still singing and dancing in his future, connick says whatever else he does, there's enough

at home. >> to be 90, i'll be sitting right here on... on this stage talking to somebody, beating the drum about this place because the only reason i get to do what i do is because of this city, period. so, i'll be coming here forever. >> osgood: next, faces up to donald trump. doin' it. did it. done. doers built this country. the dams and the railroads. john henry was a steel drivin' man hmm, catchy. they built the golden gates and the empire states. and all this doin' takes energy -no matter who's doin'. there's all kinds of doin' up in here. or what they're doin'. what the heck's he doin? energy got us here. and it's our job to make sure there's enough to keep doers doin' the stuff doers do...

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the "donald" seems to be riding a wave of support from people who denounce "political correctness." this means they cheer his insults. >> leaders are stupid. our politicians are stupid. his cruel gems of late but this man who is running for the most esteemed >> i don't really want to repeat man who's running for the most esteemed position in america has very publicly disparaged the appearances of-just for starters-rosie o'donnell, kim novak, angelina jolie, halle berry, and heidi klum. most recently, of course, he said of republican presidential hopeful carly fiorina, "look at that face. would anyone vote for that? i mean, she's a woman, and i'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really folks, come on." fiorina offered an incommensurately classy response. country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> this from the man who says, i would be so good to women. i cherish women. i will work hard to protect women. perhaps he should proceed they can tonight them from his own nasty words.

donald trump who donald trump, who surely has lots of high stakes issues on which to focus, is consumed with the appearance of women. making fun of people's looks is something that children do, mean children, and, in fact, linguists have determined that trump actually speaks like a 3rd grader. really, this is bigger than trump and his ego. yes, there's something bigger than trump's ego. because it's about what we all agree is acceptable on the american political and cultural stage. it's one thing to decry and defy "political correctness" in the name of efficiently achieving clarity or revealing an honest truth. but it's quite another thing entirely to support name-calling and nastiness. what does that say about us? what does that teach our children? people who champion trump say they don't want "politics as usual." but "politic" is also an adjective. it means "tactful and diplomatic." it's necessary for an elected official to be politic.

>> when mexico sends its people they're not sending their best. >> is this the man we want is this a man we want representing and "cherishing" us?

american. >> osgood: st. louis is pulling

out all the stops to mark the 50th birthday of the gateway that looms over the whole city. 630 feet across at the base and 630 feet high, the arch honors st. louis' historic role as the gateway for american settlers heading west. the arch was designed by eero saarinen. yes, he's the same architect who created the t.w.a. terminal we showed you earlier. the official anniversary ceremony is this wednesday, but start this weekend.

looking up in st. louis. >> osgood: here's a look at the

week ahead on our "sunday morning" calendar. on monday, a sand castle building team in florida is expected to complete its bid to break the guiness world record for tallest sandcastle, which currently stands at 41 feet and 3.67 inches. on tuesday, president obama welcomes the u.s. women's national soccer team to the white house to honor its world cup victory. wednesday sees the salon du chocolat in paris, an international meeting of chocolate makers. on thursday, singer john mayer joins three of the surviving members of the grateful dead for a north american tour under the stage name "dead and company." friday brings the release of "if i can dream," an album that mixes classic vocals by elvis presley, the king, with new accompaniments by the royal

and saturday is all hallow's eve, halloween-- the night for witches and goblins and trick or treating. john dickerson in washington on what's ahead. >> dickerson: good morning. we'll talk to donald trump and brand new poll numbers that show changes on both republican and democratic races. >> osgood: thank you, john dickerson, we'll be watching. next and next week here on sunday morning...

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