>> dickerson: today on "face the nation." democrats face off in our cbs news debate in iowa. focus is far away in paris. death toll stands at 129 following multiple terror attacks on the french capital friday night. we'll have latest on the investigation. and look at the impact the attacks will have on the war against isis. we'll talk to the chairman of both the house and the senate intelligence committees. plus, mike morell the former number two at the cia. and we'll hear from new york city police commissioner bill bratton about what efforts are being made to increase security here at home. then we town politics where the show went on last night in des moines. but with a more serious tone when it came to national security.

democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders joins us this morning to talk about the debate and the race. as always we'll have analysis on all of this, all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs captioning sponsored by cbs good morning. we had planned to join you from des moines following last night's debate. but after the terrorist attacks in france friday that plan changed. we'll talk about the debate later in the broadcast right now latest on the paris attacks that left 129 dead and 352 wounded. cbs news correspondent elizabeth palmer joins us from outside of bataclan concert hall in paris where 89 people were killed during a terror rampage on friday. liz, what's the latest? >> good morning, john. well, a much clearer picture has emerged of what happened in about two and a half hours on friday night. six locations were attacked, pretty much simultaneously at least seven terrorists were involved. police say those men are all dead.

paris is in shock, of course, the country has begun three official days of mourning. the police immediately working with forensics team set out to identify these seven men they said they have got it. although only named one of them. relying on d.n.a. evidence and some in some cases body parts, but they are sure of themselves. the guy is a french citizen comes from the paris suburbs he has been on security radar since 2010 when he was apparently radicalized. the search has gone international, it turns out that the car that was driven to the bataclan concert hall was rented by a belgian citizen. the police picked him up yesterday, he was trying to get back into belgium from france. also arrested three other men from suburb of brussels which is known to be a home to islamic radicals. at least one of them was in

people are wondering why the intelligence services didn't pick up any chatter on these attacks. they are relatively -- it involves a lot of people, some of whom are dead, some are clearly alive but fact is that security services have been completely overwhelmed not only have there been french citizens gone off to syria to fight have been coming back perhaps to be thoroughly checked out. of course in the last few months hundreds of thousands of migrants flooding into europe in pretty chaotic fashion. and the security services frankly have been very worried that some of them will be coming in as terrorists described as asylum seekers, that may turn out to be the case in this instance. >> dickerson: in paris, thanks so much, liz. we go now to cbs news foreign affairs correspondent margaret brennan who is traveling with president obama in turkey. >> good morning.

turned the focus of this g20 summit from the economy to isis. president obama said the skies have been darkened by the horrific attacks and his very first meeting here with the president of turkey, country that has recently been hit by isis. >> the killing of innocent people based on twisted ideology is attack not just on france, not just on turkey, but it's an attack on the civilized world. >> he said the u.s. is committed to hunting down the perpetrators, but did he not say whether that meant the u.s. will fight. up until now president obama has argued that airstrike in iraq and syria have kept isis contained. but now allies like saudi arabia and even critic like russia's vladimir put in argue i am meant threat requires much stronger response. in the meantime, president obama

in syria, that war zone has not only sent millions of refugees scattered throughout the middle east and europe it has also created safe haven for the growth of extremists like isis. >> dickerson: margaret traveling traveling with the president for us, thanks so much. joining us now is cbs news senior security contributor and former deputy director at the cia michael morell. mike, let's start, what are implications about in this terms of what we know about isis? >> think there is two major points here. the first is that isis for the last year has been trying to build an attack capability in western europe. i think this is the first manifestation of that effort and that success. and eventually they will try to build a similar attack capability in the united states. i think that is the first fundamental point. the second fundamental point is in the last two weeks, we've had

an isis affiliate in sinai apparently, decent know for sure, bring down an airliner. we have third airliner brought down by a bomb in last quarter century we've had the second largest terrorist attack in western europe since 9/11, since the largest since madrid in 2004. when you put those two things together and you put together the attack capability in the west, i think it's now crystal clear to us that our strategy, our policy, vis-a-vis isis is not working is time to look at something else. >> dickerson: if you were briefing the president that's what you would tell him? >> yes. dickerson: what would you tell him, something else to look to? >> that's hard, this is very complicated situation. but i do think the question of whether president assad is -- needs to go or whether he is part of the solution here we need to look at again. clearly he's part of the problem, but he may also be part of the solution. an agreement where he stays

around for awhile and syrian army supported by the coalition takes on isis, may be the best result here, may give us the best result. i think we need to have that discussion again. >> dickerson: united states, rusha syria, all fighting against isis together. >> exactly. dickerson: going back to this attack capability that you talked about, this is a -- give me your sense of the sophistication of this attack and what we can tell from that? >> so, it looks like, don't know for sure it look like this was planned, organized, directed from iraq and syria. complicated. operatives around, you've got large number of operatives. they have to get explosives, they have to get weapons, they themselves and communicate back to iraq and syria, that level of sophistication that we have not seen since the london bombings

>> dickerson: these are people who have connection to a headquarters. >> seems that way, yes. dickerson: how does that communication take place? >> i think what we're going to learn, we don't know for sure, but i think what we're going to learn is that these guys are communicating via these encrypted apps, the commercial encryption which is very difficult if not impossible for governments to break the producers which don't produce the keys necessary for law enforcement to read the encrypted messages. when we compare isis to al qaeda, there newsed to be distinction, al qaeda had these big aims, isis was working on -- here. how then does the command and control of al qaeda that people may be more familiar with match up with what you were seeing emerge with isis. >> the difference between the two the largest difference between the two is who is going to be in charge. isis didn't want to fall under the leadership of al qaeda that

the other, more subtle difference was al qaeda's view we have to beat the west. isis view, get the califa then get the west. what we're now seeing they have their califa very much like state in ever respect except they don't have any recognition in foreign relation, very much like a state. what you're actually seeing now is something that came to state-sponsored terrorism in the west by isis. if there is a battle against doing -- go back to the encryption what would a step be in terms of legislation or tools would be needed to combat this? >> so, we need to have a public debate about this, right? we have since had public debate, that debate was defined by edward snowden and concern about privacy. i think we're now going to have another debate about that, it's going to be defined by what happened in paris. >> dickerson: michael morell you'll stick with us, thanks so much. for more on what the terror

attacks in paris might mean in terms of increased security in the united states, we turn to new york city police commissioner, william bratton. diminish nor bratton when there is an attack like this in paris, what do you immediately do in new york? >> we significantly ramp up all of the assisting capabilities, that has the resources that we have here in new york. understandably based on the 9/11 experience. we are constantly on alert here, we have the resources to very quickly significantly increase many of the french institutions in the city and our significant areas of public interest, sporting events, times square, areas like that. attacks in paris clearly attacked sports stadium, attacked restaurants, night life, attacked an entertainment venue.

all of the things that i see, tries to work against. new york city we have no shortage of those, we also have no shortage of soft targets which is the problem in the sense that we can protect the larger venues, if you will but soft targets will have to rely very heavily on public awareness as we always try to do, see something, say something. we have very active offense in terms of our intelligence gathering capability with the fbi, in fact we celebrate the 35th anniversary of their joint terrorism task force here in new york city. also have extraordinary defense capabilities as you've seen in the last couple of days. if an event were to occur that we have been training very vigorously to deal with the active shooter concept, the idea of going in. which have to take very careful look at what happened in paris is the fact that everyone of these individuals apparently was prepared to die, was equipped with a suicide vest. that is something we need to be aware of in terms of protecting

our first responders as they go into the situation as we now train them to do. >> dickerson: you've been informed by intelligence officials about any heightened threat as a result of this or in the wake of paris? >> this is the new paradigm we have to deal with. previous guest just talk about the concern about going dark as head of the fbi has described it. these apps, these devices that now allow these terrorists to operate effectively without fear of penetration by intelligence services, this is the first example of this. i'll be very interested for our purposes to see what type of phone devices were they carrying, what type of apps might have been on those devices, we may in respect have gone blind in regard to the commercialization and selling of these devices that cannot be accessed either by the manufacturer or more importantly by us in law enforce. even equipped with the search warrants and judicial authority. this is something that is going

to need to be debated very quickly because we cannot continue operating where we are blind, which is our offense gathering intelligence acting on it. the french clearly in this instance have no understanding that this was going to happen. we see verifications that have. >> dickerson: in the past, there have been concern about that, what mike morell, much more coordinated operation. has that changed the approach for you or is that why getting at the communication, these encrypted communications is that why that is so much more central that it might be for just a lone wolf who has been self radicalized? >> the last two years we have been adjusting significantly, our strategies here in new york and in america, specifically to new york, after mumbai and he was chive in los angeles adapted capability to respond to local events. we have significant ramped up our capability in new york to deal with multiple events which just occurred in paris, what we

efforts to trying to deal with the social media skills of al qaeda. excuse me, not al qaeda, isis is different, have massive social media now clearly understood the ability to spread fear by not only just building up the cafia taking on the west in the sense of the plane bombing, taking on the west with the massive bombings in lebanon now multiple attacks in paris. all of these issues we're going to have to look closely at as we go forward trying protect our interests as well as our offense in terms of understanding what happened here and how do we access it. this event similar to the events of 9/11 in terms of the game changing aspect of it. >> dickerson: commissioner bill bratton thank you for being with us. we'll be back with democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders. (gasp) shark diving! xerox personalized employee portals help companies

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>> dickerson: joining us is bernie sanders. senator sanders i want to ask you pick you were right where we left off last night you mentioned that climate change in fact is related to terrorism. can you talk a little bit more about that? >> that's not only my observation, john, that is what the cia and department of defense tells us. the reason it's pretty obvious, if we are going to see an increase in drought, flood, extreme weather disturbances as a result of climate change, what that means is that peoples all over the world are going to be fighting over limited natural resources. if there is not enough water, if there is not enough land to grow your crops then going to see migrations of people fighting over land that will sustain them. and that will lead to international conflicts. i think when we talk about all of the possible ravages of climate change which to my mind is just a huge planetary crisis

increased international conflict is one of the issues that we have got to appreciate will happen. >> dickerson: how does drought connect with attacks by isis in the middle of paris? >> say in seary for example, there's some thought about this. is that when you have drought, when people can't grow their crops they're going to migrate into cities. when people migrate into cities they don't have jobs, there's going to be a lot more instability, lot more unemployment and people will be subject to the types of propaganda that al qaeda and isis are using right now. where you have discontent, you have instability, that is where problems arise and certainly without a doubt climate change will lead to that. >> dickerson: switch now to domestic issues. the topic of wall street i want to ask you about the political idea of wall street and then also the substantive debate you had with hillary clinton. first, the democrats have been having debate about how to build

the party, why democrats are doing poorly at everything but the presidential level. some democrats argue that the fight over how to regulate wall street, idea of breaking up the banks, idea of making wall street a boogie man is important not just substantively but also to send a message to voters across the country that this is a party that wants to realign the playing field. do you see it in that way? >> well, i think in this case good public policy is good politics. what you have on wall street is a handful of banks with incredible economic and political power. these are the people whose greed and recklessness and illegal behavior destroyed the lives or impacted the lives of millions of millions of people who lost their homes, their jobs and their life saving. then they got bailed out by the taxpayers and today three out of the four largest are bigger than they were before we bailed them

these are with six large banks have assets of 56% of the gdp of the united states of america. to me it is obvious. by the way shy tell you as somebody who led the effort against deregulation, we have got to break them up so that we don't go through another economic melt down and we've got to break them up because they simply have too much economic- they issue two-thirds of the credit cards and one-third of the mortgages in america. i think reestablishing policy. it is what the american people want to see happen. >> dickerson: after the first democratic debate, "new york times" had because there's log going to be republican house there is limited in terms of what a democratic president can do. to change the banks and therefore, you and hillary clinton are roughly equivalent because you would never be able to get past what you would want what do you think of that argument? >> well, john, i've heard that

and i really don't accept that. what i am trying to do in this campaign was to call political revolution to rally millions of people, many whom have given up on the political process, young people who have never been involved before, working people have been so alienated by big money and politics they kind of tuned out. we're trying to bring them together, when you bring people together to fight for an agenda, raising minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour, pay equity for women workers. creating millions of jobs by rebuilding our infrastructure. and taking on wall street and breaking up these -- i think you can do it. you can only do it, however, if millions of people get involved in the political process in a way that they are not involved >> dickerson: senator we have just minute before the commercial break i feel like last night all over again. i want to ask you about the cbs poll that we have on this question. we asked, who could bring mr. change to washington, 62%

said hillary clinton. 51% said. do you need to draw the distinction between you and hillary clinton more starkly for democratic voters? >> well, i think, the answers yes. but i have to tell you, john, we started this campaign something like three or four percent in the polls. we have come a long way in the six months that i've been in this race. i think the more people are familiar with bernie sanders and the programs that i'm advocating and what i've been trying to do better we are going to do. hillary clinton and i are very substantive disagreements on a number of major issues, i think with democracy is about letting the american people hear those differences. >> dickerson: thank you, senator sanders. we did that also night we look forward to doing it with you again on this show we'll be right back in a moment. it's easy to buy insurance and forget about it. but the more you learn about your coverage, the more gaps you might find. like how you thought you were covered for all this... when you're really only covered for this. hot dog? or how you may think you're covered for this...

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we had planned to question the candidates about how to they would deal with a crisis. but suddenly there was an actual crisis, an escalation of serious international terror threat that presented host of questions for the next president. >> we have to look at isis as the leading threat of an international terror network. it cannot be contained, it muss be defeat there's no question in my mind that if we summon our resources both our leadership resources and all of the tools at our disposal not just military force, which should be used as last resort but our diplomacy, law enforce; sharing of intelligence in much more open and cooperative way. that we can bring people together, but it cannot be an american fight. i think what the president has consistently said, which i agree with, is that we will support those who take the fight to isis. >> i would disagree with secretary clinton respectfully,

this is america's fight. it cannot solely be america's fight. america is best within we work in collaboration with our allies, america is best when we are actually standing up to evil in this world and isis make no mistake about it is evil in this world. isis has brought down a russian airliner. isis has now attacked western democracy in france. and we do have role in this. this is a war for the soul of islam. those countries who are opposed to islam they are going to have to get deeply involved in way that is not the case today. we should be supportive of that effort. so should the u.k., so should france. those countries will have to lead the effort they are not doing it now. >> dickerson: cbs news conducted overnight poll of democratic and independent voters who watched the debate. 51% said hillary clinton won. 28% said bernie sanders and 7% gave win to martin o'malley. we'll have more poll numbers and

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>> dickerson: some of our cbs stations are leaving us now for most of you we'll be right back

stay with us. injured welcome back to "face the nation." for more on terror attack in paris we go to devin nunes in california and senate intelligence chairman, richard burr who is in greensboro, north carolina. chairman burr start with you, what is this attack tell you about the shape of the isis organization now? >> well, john, just confirmed what we have said the last year that there are more threats across not only this country but globally. that we always saw europe as probably the most advantageous target and in the last 48 hours we've seen that become reality in paris in a huge, horrific way. >> dickerson: what do you

hebdo attacks increased its intelligence has been on the watch, yet this was able to be a sophisticated coordination under french authorities' noses, what does that make you think about the u.s. intelligence and ability to stop these attacks in the u.s.? >> you have a couple of things. first off you have strategic failure on not having real plan to fight isis. secondly, i think we should take to heart what fbi director has been saying over and over again and that is, that we are losing the capability to track these terrorists around the globe. >> dickerson: what about that capability, how can you improve it what would you do to try to fix this question of encryption and ability of these terrorists to communicate with each other without being watched? >> well, john, technology is going to be a tough thing to deal with. we've got to redouble our efforts to make sure that we're able to get the communications we need to give us lead time to give us better understanding.

but i think devin hit on the key, we've got to have a strategy. we don't have a strategy in syria as it relates to isil the president talked the other morning about isil was contained. american learned within 24 hours it's not contained it's rampant, everywhere in the world that they intend to carry out these horrific acts. just so happens the united states is a target. pair riffs was easier if we don't get a strategy, tactics don't make a strategy these pin rick, is that we've had as far as tactical is not a strategy we have to have strategy hopefully president hollande will call article 5 of nato in and maybe we'll put together a coalition that can for once attack this horrific terrorist element before they have ability to carry out another coordinated attack like. this. >> dickerson: chairman nunes let's talk about that strategy if you were to create one, it would have piece that deals with

syria and iraq. but then also intelligence piece for protecting america. what would that strategy look like for you? >> i think more than that, john, the point that i made all along about isis is that the president has tried to talk about and development containment strategy for iraq and syria. when isis is stretched from afghanistan-pakistan arena. we just saw couple weeks ago what appears to be isis attack on a russian jetliner coming out of egypt. we continue -- lot of people talk about the migration of fighters flowing out of iraq and syria into europe, what they forget there's many people, migrants come out of the north africa. you can't fight isis unless you are willing to put a strategy together that deals with mortara the failure of libya, the problems in the sinai, iraq and syria and afghanistan-pakistan region. then i think more complicateds

what are the europeans going to do now that it appears like isis has rooted themselves into europe with a command and control structure. >> dickerson: chairman burr you mentioned article 5, what should the united tights be prepared to do to join with france or take up this -- what should americans be ready for if this is a new phase in an attempt to defeat isis? >> well, john, i would tell you today the american people want to eliminate this threat. so we should be prepared to bring whatever to the table that coalition of nato partners and hopefully that would be joined with gulf state partners, it may be joined with russia. individuals that see isis as a real threat not just in the region but globally. i would hope that like we've sent investigators from the fbi

and we will send others to paris to help out, i will make a commitment to president hollande that we're 100% beside them, not behind them, beside them. we're willing to lead. >> dickerson: americans may want to eliminate the threat, be willing to lead chairman burr is important, what does that really mean in practical terms? are we talking about more special operations, are we talking about operating in lots of different theaters. give us some concrete examples that people can balance their desire to get rid of isis with their we're reness about extended engagements in the u.s. military. >> i'm not business of military strategy i leave that up to dod we have to have individuals on the ground that are collective intelligence, better intelligence of our targets. we've got to make sure that we carry the fight to is,l which means probably more special operations efforts in that

you can't do this with 3500 americans in an advisory role. 50 special forces which we've just upped in the last two weeks. that's not enough to make a big impact. but mirror that with global effort and we can take this fight to a very difficult and barbaric terrorist organization. >> dickerson: chairman nunes in the last 45 seconds like your assessment of what the united states should do about syrian refugees coming into the united states, how to screen them, what your view is about that. >> there's no possible way to screen them. it should be stopped immediately. what we -- bottom line if you don't refugees you have to go into iraq and syria and defeat isis. the challenge is, people talk lot about boots on the ground, we've had boots on the ground there for over a year. the problem is, as chairman burr said, trying to use pin ricks

first rule of war for obama administration not to take war. if that is what you're going -- if you're going to strap down united states air force and our allies with these types of rules of engagement, we are never going to win you're going to see more and more refugees flood into europe. >> dickerson: all right. you. we'll be right back. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul?

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>> dickerson: we're back again. senior security analyst michael morell plus former special representative to muslim communities at the state department she's now the counsel on foreign relations and american enterprise institute's danielle. thank you for being here. i'll start with you. the response to the attacks in paris should be what for the united states? >> i think we need to look at the hall thanks we face on the ground, recognize if we don't do something we will see what happened in paris in new york, l.a., washington, some where in the united states. we need to have a clear strategy that addresses the challenge in both syria and iraq but also yemen, north africa, serbia, we can keep going here. we need serious partners on the ground. more troops on the ground. we need a concerted effort. >> dickerson: what is your assessment of what we should do? >> certainly that is important,

we can't do without it. but the other half of the strategy is the nonmilitary. that includes briefings. one is, when we think about the money, when we think about momentum and ideas. one is, stopping ability for money to flow to these terrorist organizations, that's only primarily government can do. something to build public awareness about, the sale of antiquities. in terms of the emotional and psychological momentum that is taking place with this group moving into the minds of all of us, whether it's here, whether it's emotions, but most critical component is the idea space. that is what we call the war of ideas. how do we engage in bringing down the number of recruits so that isis doesn't have armies. because isis is using digital space we need to build digital army. we need to do it proportionally and at scale. >> dickerson: when you're trying to win the war of ideas also

using drones to kill, lots of anti-american fervor no number of tweets and facebook could overcome what has to be done militarily. >> let's be clear, what is happening in the ecosystem makes a difference. there are almost a billion young muslims under the age of 0 across the world. that is the pool from which the extremists are recruiting. because they're millennials using the digital tools that we all have to move forward. we have yet to go at this at scale. we have yet to go all in and really create the kind of momentum in the digital space that we need. in order to do that we need credible voices scaled up. there's no scarcity of credible voices. what we are missing is the scale up, the proportional response in the online space and i'm not just talking about tweets that are going back and forth. i'm talking about ideological influence for these young people who are being lured in by predators online. need to think about it like that.

ask about momentum as it been explained, isis benefits from these successes. so does what the coalition or united states has to do retaliation has to have a big showy aspect to it, on the military side? >> i think if you look at the strength and weaknesses of isis, they're greatest strength is the sense that they're winning. and the momentum that that creates and the followers that it brings and the foreign fighters that it brings. and the radicalization of young people around the world that it brings. that is one of their great strengths. they benefited significantly from that with the downing of the airliner and with the attack in paris. so, pushing back on that momentum is really important. >> dickerson: danielle, secretary clinton said in the debate last night, this cannot be an american fight alone, there's some -- sometimes semantic but debate about where

martin o'malley run topping her right said america has to lead, they will bring other people along. give me your assessment of that. >> those are words that i've ever uttered before i agree fully with martin o'malley. i thought that was rather strange she as bulls been proponent of american leadership when she was secretary of state she recommended that the president be -- we are the only ones with the capacity to actually lead on this fight. now, should we be alone, absolutely not. we should be working with parties on the ground, we should be working with allies. but we haven't shown leadership up to now we really haven't not on refugees, not on fighting al qaeda not on helping good guys. >> dickerson: news that countries in the region should do their share you hear a lot from the administration, the free rider problem. are they going to be -- can you wait it ought long enough to do their share or again is the

>> this is sort of, football fantasy camp. foreign policy, when you're talking about the saudis or the turks whoever it is doing their share what we end up with is one priority that belongs to the saudi or turks, that is the challenge for us. we have desired outcome here that is actually not the same as desired outcome of parties in the region. that's why when you subcontract to saudi arabia or you subcontract, god forbid as john kerry wants to do to iran or to russia, you end up with outcomes that are ultimately dangerous for the united states. >> dickerson: let me ask you a question here. in response to these kinds of attacks you talk about that space, the battle for ideas. is the government doing it wrong? is there an over reaction that sends different kind of message? >> i think that there are things that the government has done, those in the bush administration and obama administration to take hold of the ideological space. there's only i have to say only

so much you can do in the government space. the way we have to go at it is to look at the armies that we can build professionally outside of government. those are the credible voices, the former extremists and others who can make a difference. their money can go to some of the core funding for some of these organizations that are doing it, not in terms of how they message or what they message but in terms of setting up these organizations to do something. these organizations are working at a pace that is really quite excellent but they don't have enough money to be able to scale the way they need to do. this the second piece the government can make a difference, is to ask the us. that is to say, not partner with government but partner with the actors on the ground who can actually make a difference. and the third by the way is to say that we can actually go at the ideological war with the kind of will and determination that isis has. they aren't sophisticated they determined, too. >> quickly at the end here, mike.

a long war. so, what do you hear when you hear that from the administration when they're criticized about the pace on isis, administration officials sets president said this would be a long war. >> there's a difference the ups and downs in a long war, victories for us, victories for them. difference between that and what is clearly momentum in their favor, what is clearly them advancing their capabilities. >> dickerson: thanks so much all of you.

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>> dickerson: we're back with peggy noonan. you've seen chief political correspondent foreslate magazine here before but first appearance at the cbs news political analyst. congratulations and welcome to cbs jamelle. nancy cordes our cbs news congressional correspondent who sat in seat next to me flying overnight from des moines, iowa. she has gotten as little sleep as i have but nevertheless welcome. thanks for being here.

john. >> dickerson: peggy the debate last night afterwards we did a poll. those -- hillary clinton won in that debate how did you see it? >> i didn't see it as such a clear win actually on her part. i suppose she had her moments, so did mr. sanders so did mr. o'malley. it seemed to me that they all struggled pretty much with the issue of what to do after paris. with isis. i think mrs. clinton had been awkward moments with regard to wall street. >> dickerson: in our poll overnight hillary clinton on question of handling the foreign policy. hillary clinton came in at 67% said that she handled it the best. sanders and o'malley were far behind sanders at% then 11% for o'malley. how much did that matter, how much does that matter, what did you make of the debate? >> i think as far as democrat

can primary goes, it's sort of given that democratic voters trust hillary clinton, she was secretary of state, long been her wheel house. i think per the general election it matters quite a bit. as peggy said, secretary clip ton had hard time answering on paris. i think part of the problem is that she was secretary of state during the rise of isis, so closely to president obama's administration. no room to break out. real evidence that clinton has a differing view on these questions than obama does. >> dickerson: or distance with him. let's talk about wall street here for a moment. i want to play her response when she was asked about the wall street contributions that she gets and she was hit on -- bernie sanders hit her saying those contributions make her compromised let's listen to her response here. >> i represented new york, i represented new york on 9/11. when we were attacked, where

we were attacked in down ton manhattan where wall street is. i did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild, that was good for new york, it was good for the economy. it was a way to reduce the tear thrusts attacked our country. >> dickerson: nancy, in the debate, what do you make that have moment? >> think what she was trying to say was, of course, these people support me, i was their senator i did a good job for them, why wouldn't they give me donations. but it struck a lot of people acetone deaf. because she was essentially saying because of 9/11 that's why i get millions ever dollars. so, we were getting lot of traffic on twitter from people saying, that just doesn't sit right with me. and i think to be honest, when we asked her the question, she was a little surprised because i don't know that she actually realized the way that it came off quickly tried to self correct. >> dickerson: that's right.

had been sent in sayingy did she use 9/11 in defending herself. how much of the wall street issue is a real problem for hillary clinton or just one where she's not trusted but it won't be real obstacle. >> i go back and forth on this one because i think it's awkward, it's real problem in terms of trying to get these liberal voters to trust her as nominee. i'm not sure how much in a general election it will matter given extent to which republicans do, sort of a watch. i think what is really challenging is that there is an answer for this, not one that democrats want to hear which is that hillary clinton and her husband were part of a movement of democrats who are pulling the party to the center. i think there's way to make a defense of that. we had 1 years of republican presence we had to do something, good thing that we did. but i don't know that anyone on clinton side wants to litigate all of this. and other than litigating,

become awkward. no way around it. >> i just thought it was one of those great moments in lame debate answers that you can put together, that would be about number four. the clintons are tight with wall street. wall street is pretty darn tight with the democratic party. that is what it is. i understand bernie sanders' critique that was not serious answer to a serious critique. >> on the other hand we gave him the opportunity to explain what it is in her record as shows that she is beholding to wall street, he couldn't -- >> part that have hillary clinton pretty much generic democrat in many ways she goes where the party was. when the party was very tight with wall street she was tight with wall street. now less tight with wall street she's rhetorically less tight with wall street. difficult position to be in versus someone like sanders who is very much ideal log, this is where i've always been this is

>> it used to be i'm for the little dwight not for i'm for goldman sachs. you think about it, she is in a particular position that does need some answers. >> dickerson: let me ask you, nancy, about in our poll of independent for democrats who were watching bernie sanders didn't do well on foreign policy but on the economic front, sanders on the question of who can handle the economy, sanders came out of 43, clinton to the 40. comes to income and equality on that issue he got 58% and hillary clinton got 31. on issues, democrats care about it was wood night for him. >> it was a good night for him. and i think the issue of income equality was really in his wheel house you could almost see chomping at the bit to get past foreign policy get into the issues where he's the strongest. talking about single payer, for example. talking about a $15 minimum wage which was really strike can

saying it should be $15 no matter what, hillary clinton saying that could have unintended consequences, i'm more comfortable with $12. but you're right, clearly more democrats came down on his side. >> but, working against him was i believe the fact that last night and more strikingly today on your show, bernie sanders essentially said a major problem with all of this isis stuff and terrorism and what's going, the west a climate change and global warming which makes him to many people look likely daffy like someone who doesn't understand what the real subject is, is looming outside to left progressive, it's about terrorism. it isn't about climate change and deserts and people migrating because it's hot. >> dickerson: last word to you.

right back. >> dickerson: until next week for "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we leave you with the voices of new york's metropolitan opera and tribute to the people of