and coming up at 7, two of the most common cosmetic procedures may be combining into one. >> and that is all ahead when we come back at 7:00. >> from washington, "the mclaughlin group," the american original -- for over three decades, the sharpest minds, best sources, hardest talk. john: issue one, mars h-2-o. >> mars is not the dry, arid planet that we thought of in the past. today we're going to announce that under certain circumstances, liquid water has been found on mars. john: this thanksgiving, "the mclaughlin group" is focusing on three issues relevant to america's future. first up, mars.

astronomer galileo first used a telescope to gaze upon mars. and today, the national aeronautics and space administration, nasa, continues galileo's efforts by sending probes, like the automobile-sized curiosity rover, to explore the red planet. but with an annual budget of over $17.5 billion, nasa is not cheap. still, nasa says it offers value for money. making that case in recent months, nasa has announced the discovery of liquid water on mars in warmer seasons. because water is necessary for known forms of life, its presence means life might be possible on mars and water might also give future manned missions to mars a measure of sustainment.

mars make obamas 2010 decision to cancel the constellation program and nasas manned mars mission look short-sighted? pat: no, i don't think so, john. do in space and we should be doing in space. my belief is interspace. mars is pretty far out there even though it's one of the planets that's pretty close to venus is on the other side. look, we went to the moon, which is close. mars has, in terms of gravity, it's not as big of planet as the united states, so the gravity is not quite as strong. and the idea, if you're thinking of it, of sending a man to mars, i see no purpose to it, and i can tell you one thing about him, he ain't or she ain't coming back. [laughter] john: eleanor. eleanor: well, the book and the movie "the martian," starring matt damon, he does come back with a lot of creativity. [laughter] eleanor: and, you know, these

and i think it's wonderful that we should still explore outer space. it's up to the next president to decide if they want to put the money into it. it's not out of the question. it's still part of nasa's goal to go to mars, i think by 2035. and i don't think there's as a goal. and maybe -- pat: put somebody up there? eleanor: well, you know, the atmosphere is really not conducive and the water they found, they have a looks a little wet. it's not like swimming pool-sized bodies of water. pat: it's going to be a short stay. eleanor: yeah. i mean, it's hard to imagine that mars can sustain life, but maybe it once did and, you know, maybe the way we sometimes treat our planet, be nice to have mars as a backup plan. go for it. john: can you foresee paul ryan, speaker of the u.s. house of representatives, confronting the launch of a manned mission to mars? tom: no, i don't think he'll

confront that. i think paul ryan is much more concerned about reducing the size of the federal government, discretionary spending, and primarily in entitlement reform, big tax reform. one of the reasons there's relative consensus on nasa, it embodies in a pretty obvious and undeniable sense the very best of what the united states can do, has done, stands for, inspiring the world. the space program. i remember a previous -- i wasn't on but the kennedy speech you showed, that kind of oratory and inspiration of a -- to a new generation to go forward. and actually if you look at the size of the budget and look at what we spend in other areas, i think it's comparatively small compared to the gains we get in terms of exploration and learning about the solar system and the universe. in terms of the new technological developments. and i would say one final point to that, the big thing on mars with the water there, why it's such an important discovery i would say is the universe is a big place. and if we found water there, perhaps surprisingly, then what does that say about the

potential of water elsewhere and thus through that water potential of life elsewhere? john: how big is the universe? tom: i don't know. clarence: larger than a bread box. pat: around the sun and you move into other areas, other suns and other planets. i mean, the stars are actually suns, john. and so there's other universes out there. tom: solar system. john: as a collection, let's say. tom: hundreds of billions of galaxies. >> by definition, a universe is universal. pat: the planets need certain requirements in terms of temperature and water and all the rest of it. gravity, for any kind of life to exist. clarence: there are hundred billion stars in our galaxy and there are a hundred billion galaxies in the visible universe.

tom: i think it's a billion. john: visible universe. >> we got a visible universe and invisible universe. clarence: our telescopes can't see it yet. >> you know it's there. are you making news on this program? clarence: i am not making news on this program. pat: you know why you can't see it, it's because the speed of light. john: wait a minute. pat: the speed of light. many of the stars have come in, the speed of light has finally traveled all the way from those universes to our world and you can bet new stars appears, the light from those stars has just arrived. they travel at 187,000 miles per second. eleanor: and we learned that by sending government money and learning these things. tom: and the space program, you know, that -- i would say it's the best -- that is government at its best, actually. that limited expense --

government contract. tom: but they inspired through competition with the soviet pat: and got in trouble, too, tom. apologize. i just did. tom: one of the things that's important, we talk about faster than light travel. faster than light travel when we're talking about the speed of light, right, the potential of exploration beyond the solar system, beyond the galaxy. it requires that you travel faster than light. pat: you have to go to warp speed as they say. tom: but nasa's laboratory does google it. it's fascinating about worm hole theory, black holes. i can't say 90% of it. it's impressive enough you can get some meat out of that and understanding. and a new century when we have the ideas, globalization, challenge, this is a great area for america to inspire a new generation of students to get

involved. it makes math and science cool in an unmitigating way. clarence: you mean it's an election tool? tom: no. a good rewarding career path. john: which of the 2016 candidates to the u.s. presidency will make a manned mission to mars a reality? john kennedy was the last democrat to strongly back nasa. today -- pat: what are you talking about. president nixon was president in 1969 when all of the men landed on the moon. since nixon was president nobody has been on the moon. johnson gets great credit for it. kennedy certainly started it. but nixon did a great job on it, john, and he deserves some credit especially from you. john: you're writing a book. pat: i'm writing a book on nixon's white house years and i'm having trouble getting a

happy ending to it all. i spent three years with him before he was president. john: you carried his bag? pat: no, not exactly. some were with him in 1959, 1960 when he ran against j.f.k. john: on a probability scale from zero to 100, how likely does it now seem that there is life on mars? pat: life comparable to ours, zero. eleanor: yeah. maybe it existed once upon a time but now, no. tom: no. i think it makes it much, much more likely to the probability that it is likely that there is life in the universe. clarence: i think more likely there was life on mars but there's a lot of theories around the moons around jupiter as the conditions for heat and water. internally. eleanor: mars doesn't have a climate that's conducive to ours. john: well, i'm declaring clarence correct.

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hey, who wants to help me get this reporter out of here? i need some muscle over here. john: a debate over free speech is under way on the nation's campuses. that video shows a university of missouri professor arguing with a reporter earlier this month. the professor and some students claimed the media were infringing on a student quote-unquote safe place of contemplation. and watch what happened at yale, also this month, after a master challenged an administration email warning students against offensive halloween costumes. >> it is not about creating an intellectual space, it is not. do you understand that? it is about creating a home here. you are not doing that. john: one commentator said about video we just saw that it reminded him of the maoist red guards' technique of thamzing, which is public haranguing of ideological enemies.

campus? pat: well, john, it's not red guard, but the red guards did was beat these people up and brutalize them and kill them and frankly lynching them. that's the greatest cultural evolution. this sounds like a screaming 10-year-old, some pampered poodle on campus, spoiled brats really who had not really suffered at all and they're complaining and whining. somebody called them a name. somebody's wearing a costume with a sombrero and it insults them. it just really shows -- if you take look what happened 19, 20-year-olds, world war ii guys going up on beaches dying, fighting for the country and you have these people who are privileged and at university campuses whining and complaining. the problem, john, is the authorities on the university really don't have any moxie. they are like the guys in the 1960's who -- clarence: careful. like mr. wilson, have them get off your lawn.

i'm not unhappy to see fewer fraternity boys with black face on campus or the indian head dress, etc. yes, it's not killing anybody but it is insulting to various folks and in my generation we put up with it because we had bigger fish to fry in the 1960's, you're absolutely right. my son's generation, they're a lot less patient about this sort of thing. that's why you see the campus uprising. they're basically kids, students. they make mistakes like yelling at the photographer, yelling at the reporter. that's dumb. they undermine their own success at getting a -- pat: 19, 20, 21, 22 years old. this is the world. people will call you names in the world. all of us have been called lots of different names. clarence: i was called a lot of names. pat: i'm sure you were. john: he's got last of names. clarence: i got bigger fish to fry than to worry about the names. we had the draft going on.

lot of parts of the country. there were lots of things going on. we had bigger issues. this generation doesn't have these issues. attacks drove all these protests out of the news is a message, also, to some of these kids that, hey, there are bigger problems in the world. but clarence is right, there are some genuine offensive acts that have occurred on these campuses that the administrators have turned their eyes away from. and that's worth pointing out. pat: stand up for their own rights if somebody used the n word, why don't we -- eleanor: not if they're putting swastikas -- pat: call the dean to help them out. eleanor: not if they're putting swastikas out there and the n word. that has happened. pat: so what? clarence: this is the challenge. eleanor: that's worth complaining about. clarence: if you were being insulted you wouldn't tell people, i'm whining. pat: i wouldn't go to the dean -- clarence: you would go find recourse. the fact is the dean wasn't

offering recourse and the dean's job is student affairs and not taking care of student affairs, they're not doing their job. that's why the football team walked out. football teams don't walk out of political protests very often. pat: the dean of that school should have said, you guys are going to play saturday and if you don't play we're putting on the scrubs and you're out of school and you're losing your scholarships. eleanor: the coach backed -- clarence: the coach backed them. eleanor: and they're making they had the cards and they -- tom: millennial alert. millennial alert. let me get in here. so the problem we have, i think, college campuses have put into the idea speech. you let the authority of the professors, the deans, to impose some idea that you shouldn't dress this way. what that does is it forces this political issue into this area profoundly, i would say, un-american in terms of nonfree speech. the best way to deal with this

is in the best form of american society, going back, number one, students need to read a lot more of greek philosophy, thomas payne, jefferson, you know, americans, instead of gramsci and -- pat: speaking of payne, teddy roosevelt called him a filthy little atheist. what do you think of that as an insult? tom: that's the point. eleanor: probably wore it as a badge of honor. there are ways to do that. not the kind of influence we're talking about that was at the heart of these protests. tom: when my generation at college -- and i'm sure it's a different experience. my friends who are black, if someone came over in black face today, i would say -- i would use profanity and -- no, but clarence: nobody did that when i was in school. tom: exactly. that's a tribute to -- clarence: some white friends, whom i had many, blacks were couldn't defend -- fight for yourself. themselves right now using the

eleanor: he was a student photographer and it is a balancing of rights and the woman who was screaming about getting the muscle is the professor and she later apologized. so they worked it out. pat: she lost her job in the journalism school. clarence: but not the communications school. it's separate schools. tom: here's the problem, with a journalist it gets very problematic if there is an idea of an interpretation of where that journalist has to -- his perception of the story or her perception of the story should surely in public land define the pursuit of that story. as to the individual. clarence: the correspondent at the white house. that's what we're talking about here. it might be unreasonable. john: what about him? pat: 1968, father found a bunch of them demonstrating and said, i'll tell you folks. you have 15 minutes to make up your mind and get out of here and if not you will be suspended. wait another 15 minutes and you

will all be expeled. and that's exactly -- national hero for doing it. clarence: national guard -- national guard opened fire on the students. is that the right way or the wrong way to solve it? pat: you're comparing him to shooting people at penn state? clarence: expulsion may not be the proper way to deal with it. maybe at the university you want to have dialogue and have people educate each other. pat: how can you have dialogue if you tell everybody else to shut up? john: hello, hello. hello. beam me up, scotty. beam me up, scotty. hello, hello, hello. should knowledge of the u.s. constitution, including the bill of rights, be a prerequisite for college admission? you know it is in the constitution. tom: no, because that's a -- eleanor: this is about freedom of speech. your freedom of speech ends when you get to punch somebody else in the nose? john: no. freedom of speech is guaranteed by the constitution, the first amendment. clarence: but that's not an issue. eleanor: should that guarantee yelling fire in a crowded theater? john: no.

i'm not saying that is the -- eleanor: those are the arguments they're having on campus today. pat: john, if you were shouted down in a speech, who's going to guarantee your right, first amendment rights, who are you going to go to? clarence: it's a question of right versus -- college administrators, freedom of speech. pat: it's been shouted down. freedom of speech is not universal. pat: you move off of campus and move to another campus. john: move to another campus, that's the way you handle it? pat: in a campaign, look at -- one got shouted down for one month to where he couldn't speak by these little fascists. clarence: a photographer's right to take pictures. so we're talking about it. we're not talking about a big constitutional argument. the fact is you work these kind of things out. reporter, and i'll been to many places where people will say, reporters, stand back or whatever. doesn't necessarily mean your

student is getting financial aid, there ought to be a -- can i get a say? eleanor: a muscle. john: hello. hello. to get a degree, a student has to know that the constitution guarantees his freedom of speech. and where it occurs, and where it occurs. clarence: in fact, the woman admitted she was wrong. tom: those safe places. they should have an idea that a college in a philosophical sense is not a safe place because it's an exchange of ideas. eleanor: that's a trend on colleges and some colleges take their role in parting pretty seriously. there are lots of safe places. clarence: and those who ridicule safe places are people who never needed one. that's the difference. tom: no. this is what i'm saying. you make sure you support your buddy or your girl who's getting this from one racist

ass or whatever it is but at the same time you sit down and say this is why you're crazy. clarence: that's the best-case scenario. the worst-case scenario is the individual doesn't get any support and they get harassed. tom: debate them. you have to debate them. otherwise they go underground. john: we'll be right back with predictions. >> looking for these? you drive buzzed, it could be one very expensive ride. >> first, you got to make bail. >> then pay me to get your car back. >> your insurance premiums will go through the roof. >> and my legal fees just keep adding up.

costing you $10,000. john: prediction time. pat: the terrorist attacks in paris, john, are going to move politics in europe on immigration very sharply to the right everywhere. eleanor: i would hope on this thanksgiving weekend that people would reflect on how very lucky we are in this country to have really lived mostly without the scourge of terrorism and to open our hearts to the people from syria who are fleeing from the very forces that we condemn. and i think that the american people will not move as far to the right as pat buchanan is suggesting. we didn't elect president trump because of the paris attacks. tom: i think 2016 will be the most challenging years in terms of france.

what pat is talking about, marine de pen is moving towards a presidentle victory in terms of what's happening. clarence: you can expect to see more colleges facing student protest. unlike pat's remedies, most will act proactively to try to get dialogue going. pat: one or two, clarence. i've been expeled. it's not that bad. john: all right. let's settle down and get realistic. this year's black friday retail sales failed who top last year's $50 billion figure. continuing a three-year downtrend for black friday. but retailers should not panic. overall holiday sales will still be up this year.