>> and we'll be right back at 7. see you then.-- for over three decades, the sharpest minds, best sources, hardest talk. john: issue one -- isis in america. >> i have a homegrown violent extremist investigation in every single state. john: f.b.i. director james comey warned last february that the bureau was tracking islamic state sympathizers located in all 50 states. george washington university's program on extremism this month issued the first-ever detailed public report about isis radicals in america. the report was released two

terrorist attack at an office christmas party. the report warns of a "sharp surge of jihadist activities in the u.s. " so far this year 56 isis supporters in the u.s. have been arrested. their origin is in eight nations -- egypt, somalia, jordan, palestinetine, yemen, bosnia, syria, and ghana. 86% are male. 27% were planning attacks in the u.s. for some time. most are u.s. citizen or permanent residents. 40% are converts to islam. the average age is 26. their common aim? to carry out "jad against khaffirs" -- holy war against infilled els. -- infidels. here's a chilling example of what isis is targeting -- veterans, patriots, memorial etc. day parades, go on

drive all over them, kill them. " contrary to the perception that the internet and social media are the main recruiting tools for radicalization, the report found that, quote, individuals in "clusters" form radical islamic cells, unquote, to carry out attacks. one such cluster, in st. louis, was composed of bosnian muslims who had emigrated from the town of teslic. another cluster included a father and his two grown sons from syria. these cells often fly below the radar of high-tech surveillance. cope keep? if isis supporters keep murdering non-muslims in america, will there be a backlash against immigration from muslim countries? pat buchanan? pat: john, if there's one or two more of these attacks, lord forbid, between now and the

donald trump will be the republican nominee. his proposal is very controversial but what we've got in the united states and we know it now are isis cells and ice sympathizers. we have no way of apparently vetting them. that woman got into this country and was a terrorist hell-bent on murder when she arrived with her new husband or husband-to-be the the problem and what trump is touching onto is americans want to know basically are the folks coming into the country, are they coming here to kill us? do we have any way to know that? and if we don't, maybe we to the have a moratorium on immigration from the islamic world? to a lot of folks that's fascism. to a lot of others that is common sense. john: eleanor? eleanor: what trump is saying and doing now and catching fire

gasoline on the fire of what isis is trying to do. the chairman of president house homeland security committee had a breakfast with reporters this week and he said isis is 50,000 strong, 20,000 i guess you could say indedge in -- in digenous, 30,000 from like 100 countries around the world and their main recruiting device is through the internet. they've young, they're savvy. they've mastered all the dark portions of the internet and we can't -- they've created encrypted applications, we can't go after them and their mental is, one, come to syria and join the jad, or, two, fight where you are. so the newspaper battlefield is social media and i think you are going to see hillary clinton in her speech i think it's on tuesday where she's going to outline her strategy to fight isis to sort of, let's get the heads of the social

figure out what kind of tools we have 0 -- so that their sites aren't used just as open recruiting stations for isis. john: who has the most at stake in preventing isis attacks inside the u.s.? tom: obviously the f.b.i. has because it's their responsibility. but the chag is -- challenge is while the islamic state banner continues to fly, this is where you see the direction the connection point between the islamic state's perceived success in iraq, syria, and around the world gaping fealti from other jihadist groups. number one, if you look at the 40% of converts, that shows that idea eleanor is talking about in the grieve people wanting a cause, wanting to join up, so they're taking islam, joining up to that in that worst element. another thing that comes out of the report, it mentions the bosnian immigrants coming to

one thing we have to be bare -- aware of very critically -- i will use a personal exrblings a very good friend of mine, bosnian, now with the state department, incredibly talented and patriotic and who do we think with these crawcray separation -- operations in pakistan and atd middle east those operatives do not look like me. they look like they come from the places where they are fighting and they are putting their lives on the line and a lot worse, if you go and google william f. buckly. though -- they know what the terrorist groups are doing there. john: a muslim pointed this out to me in response to the question i gave you and eleanor, who has the most at stake in preventing isis attacks inside the united states and his answer was muslim u.s. citizen. to avoid becoming pariahs they

their -- in their power to suppress extremism, express tolerance for other religions and report extremist in their mifmentds he said that's what i dork the best i can. clarence: muhammad ali came out the other darren: probably the most famous muslim american in america. and we in the news pathology i canly go where things wnt work the way they're supposed to, and that's why we focus on supporters. but what you do about it? i think closing the borders is closing the barn door after the horse -- pat: but isis knows all this stuff, too. if i'm in isis i would say look at the two characters commanding the entire moisk the

one or two more of these things and they up one of their sleeper cells and get this done and we can nominate and elect donald trump and the great war is islam is on the tom: until we destroy the islamic state though with expediency, the propaganda and that stupid black flag -- anyway, it takes military power in the middle east and recognition -- pat: how are you going to stop isis in libya, in iraq -- clarence: we, there will be an increased call for us to go to arms against isis in the middle east which we ultimately have to do one way or another -- pat: isis, please send 10,000 americans into iraq. they're begging for the great war -- why comply with them? eleanor: but if you're on the terror watch list you can still go out and buy a gun?

but when it comes to actually doing anything, there aren't any appropriate ideas. pat: come to my house and take all my guns away, how is that going to make it -- eleanor: you can have your guns. john: should americans now prepare themselves to live like israelis, expecting and guarding against frequent attacks from radicalized muslim neighbors? yes or no? pat: john, let me just say this. we haven't had many americans -- what did we have, 14 killed or something like that? with you -- but it's on everybody's mind. no question about it, we're going to have more of these. more americans will die from auto accidents and shootouts in cities and stuff like that but in terms of dominating the media and politics in 2015 and 2016, this is it. eleanor: affecting the politics and people, what's the line, if

people need to be vigilant but you need to go about and live your life. it's a cliche now, otherwise the terrorists win. tom: very s you have to take the fight over there. that's why we have to have a pressing element on the white house to get real about a strategy. it flows into it, the continuing power of isis. clarence: well, we weren't sitting on our hands. it's a question of how many bombs do you want to drop and how many troops do you put on the ground and where do they come from? that's why the administration is moving the way they are. that's too slow for some people but americans are not that keen on putting 300,000 troops in the middle east. eleanor: you've got to build a coalition and getting puteib on board and getting assad out of there but all that takes time. it's not going to happen overnight. meantime you have to deal with all those displaced people were syria and they have the right to be treated humanely.

let's plove it along.

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what the hell is going on. john: donald trump sparked a firestorm of controversy this week when he called for muslims to be banned from entering the united states the. mr. trump says a sban necessary to protect americans from the threat of islamic terrorism, but many disagree. the white house said mr. trump was behaving like a "carnival barker" and that his proposal "disqualifies him from serving as president of the united states". mr. trump's gellow g.o.p. presidential candidates also chimed in. jeb bush described mr. trump's comments as "unhinged." marco rubio said they were "oice and outlandish." chris christie said mr. trump had adopted a "ridiculous position,." and from the democratic presidential lineup, criticism

hillary clinton described trump's call as "reprehensible, prejudiced, and divisive" and martin o'malley described mr. trump as a "fascist demagogue". and get this -- breaking from diplomatic protocol of staying outside for elections, british prime minister david cameron said mr. trump is "divisive, unhelpful, and quite simply wrong." israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu also released a statement saying he "rejects the be recent comments p by donald trump with regard to muslims." "israel respects all religions and diligently guards the rights of all its citizen." i have a stack of newspapers here in this seat of mine and i

to you will is trait the extent to which donald -- to show the extent to which donnellald trump has gained the extraordinary attention of the american public and the american government. the poll, this is top of the page in the "new york times," poll has trump, on the right hand column, first page, poll has trump gaining ground on terror fear, attacks raise concern. " inside "the new york times," there is, i believe, a, an opportunity to gauge what people think with regard to this matter. are you surprised, eleanor, the extent to which trump has commanded the situation?

populism puts the old guard on the defensive. it then goes to a full page practically. eleanor: right, and if you go to the final paragraph or two, you will see pat buchanan is quoted because he ran on similar populism 20 years ago? 15 years ago? [laughter] ok. john: count the days. eleanor: right, right, right. and i think the american people are scared and mr. trump is playing into those fears. but his own party is also scared and they think if he is the nominee, that they will lose not only the presidency but they will lose the senate and perhaps even the house because polls show that while a plurality of republicans like what donald trump is saying and a strong majority of americans recoil from the notion that you would have this blanket test

country, it's too reminiscent of how we handled the jews during world war ii or the chinese in the 1880's and i think people find it abhorrent and trump is now being sort of ostracized by his party and they're -- but they don't know how to stop him at this point because he's unleashed something that nobody seems to know how to end. john: biff let you in, let me also point out "the wall street journal". this is another extraordinary newspaper with extraordinary power, and here we have this recognition of trump on page one of today's, friday's newspaper. "split on trump muslim ban, poll finds a majority against candidate's plan, but republican voters are more supportive." what do you make of this?

about it, trump, this is a firestorm to top all firestorms this week to talk about 2ru6r789 he's being compared to mouse linney, hitler. people are going berserk. i guess the republican party establishment has all come out and attacked him. what he has done is solidified his base in the republican party, increase it somewhat and at the same time the majority of americans are clearly against this. semp saying it's unconstitutional, un-american, it's not who we are. they're attacking him but i'll tell you, if something like -- i think as of now trump is strongers a consequence of this week going into iowa and new hampshire with a stronger possibility of winning the nom ination than he did before -- eleanor: he came out with all this because he had slipped to number two in iowa and the man has hay gift. for putting himself into the news cycle and reminding everyone that he's --

we know that. he had a top rated program for years, the "celebrity apprentice," which got as many viewers as the first debate got, which was a big deal for politics. we norm alf by -- john: but the point i'm making, you have the dominant expressions of opinion in newspapers in the united states accepting him seriously. clarence: i'm getting to that. the fact si think this is big news because all the washington elites, including us and the republican and democratic elites, media elites, everybody underestimated the power of selling fear to the american public. john: is the balloon going to burst or be burst? clarence: i think the balloon will burst when he hits his ceiling. now that's right if there are other terror attacks or something, but i think voters, even those who haven't been voting all their lives are

sensible to deal with this terror problem and that's when you will see them turning more to ted cruz, rubio on the republican side. tom: pat is right that in populist terms if there is another attack it helps trump but it also requires a candidate on the republican side to actually explain the core principles of conservatism. pushing up and directly challenging and i think you will see at that in the debate next week. pat: trump's support is the mirror image of the distrust and dislike and contempt for the establishment on the part of the american people. the country agrees with that whether that he degree with his verbiage or not. eleanor: there are trump-like figures all over the world and in europe -- because of the failure of the plig -- political establishment but the

support are about the same, 30%. pat: you sure of that? eleanor: if you have him as your nominee, you are going to lose grandly pat: why is he running almost even with hillary in the polls? clarence: because these are early polls! hillary is not running against anybody right now. if it really gets serious, this time next year if you have trump versus hillary then let's see what the polls look like. pat: you maybe right and you may be wrong. tom: if we could tighten the rules at checkpoints for people coming in and if you have been associated with a certain area, for example, pakistan, then gow and have an instrument -- go and have an interview. british tack -- pakistanis coming to the united states will be interviewed when they come in. that is a hard measure but

clarence: i've got yemen on my stamp in my passport and i get extra questioning because of that. john: trump calls monday for a complete and total shutdown of muslims coming to the united states. because of the shooting be, fatal shoot:00 of 14 and wounding of 2 it at a holiday party. his comments have been rebukede by people across the spectrum and world leaders, it's a worldwide phenomenon, donald trump settlement clarence: and hatred of trump too. eleanor: and people -- john: british prime minister david cameron said tuesday that trump's comments about muslims were divisive, unhelpful and quite simply -- simply wrong?

you have got to have the debate of the the reason europe is so screwed with these issues is they don't want to have to have the debate. that's right. pat is saying about the populist appeal. but debate them and say why this is not the united states. pat: the u.k. independent party is very sympathetic to what trump said, are they not? you're looking at the future. clarence: they make ted cruz look moder 5eu789 eleanor: i want to know what trump going to do with all his properties in the arab world after he's insulted all of them. maybe he calls them up, "hey, this is politics, just kidding." john: the better question is what is he going do with his properties in scotland? tom: nice golf course there.

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