dropped, conventions are over and campaign 2016 is about to take off. there is just 99 days until election day. and for the moment this election looks like a normal one. with campaign bus tours and baby kissing photo ops. but contest that has already more sour. >> just remember this, trump is going to be no more mr. nice guy. >> dickerson: get to the white house by disqualifying the other. >> this is not a normal election. donald trump is not a normal presidential candidate. >> dickerson: we'll separate the noise from what -- have new battleground tracker polling

we'll talk to bernie sanders about how he plans to get his supporters on board with clinton-kaine. we'll hear from the head of the republican party, reince priebus. and we'll get update on the news that mosquitoes carrying the zika virus are here in florida. it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning, welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. our cbs news tracker shows a two-point bounce for hillary clinton in those 11 key swing states following the democratic national convention. hillary clinton now leads donald trump 43% to 41%. that's the same bounce that trump got after the republican national convention. we begin this morning with senator bernie sanders who joins us from burlington, vermont. not all of your supporters are behind hillary clinton and she's going to need them. what would you tell your supporters that they should do

supporters, we got over 13 million votes, to take a hard look at the real issues impacting the american people. which candidate, for example, wants to overturn this disastrous citizen united supreme court decision which allows billionaires to buy elections and undermining american democracy. that is hillary clinton's position. which candidate wants to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. that's hillary clinton. climate change is real and that we have to transform our energy system in order to help save this planet. donald trump thinks that climate is a hoax. hillary clinton understands that it is real, we have to act boldly. which candidate wants to give huge tax breaks to billionaires on this massive levels of income and wealth inequality. that's donald trump. hillary clinton believes that we should raise taxes on the wealthy and do away with

which candidate is trying to bring us together which is hillary clinton and which candidate is trying to divide us up running a campaign based on bigotry that is donald trump. i would ask, john, of my supporters to get away from the personality conflicts that media tries to bring forewar and focus on the real issues impacting the american people. when do you that, i think the choice is pretty clear, that is that hillary clinton is far and away the superior >> dickerson: i hate to stick up for the media this isn't just a media creation they were making a lot of noise during hillary clinton's speech, there are a lot of people who hear what you've said, you're obviously going through the issues because these are people who got interested in your campaign because of the issues, they're not buying it. so, i wonder, sarah silverman said, the bernie more bust people you're being ridiculous. >> john, i don't agree with you when you say, they are not buying it.

who supported my candidacy. and i have no doubt that there are some of those people who will not vote for hillary clinton. but i would say that the vast majority of them, i think as the campaign progresses and people take a hard look at the issues, who is better for the middle class? what is bet are for super bowl who is better forethe environment? who is better for the lgbt community. i think more and more of those people will come on board secretary clinton's campaign. convention when hillary clinton mentioned you you looked like you had a bit of stoic look on your face, what was going through your mind? >> i always have that look on my face. nothing new, i am not always the smiley kind of guy. but i believed that the convention was a very good convention. i thought that secretary clint clinton's speech made some very, very important points.

me, john, is that i happen to agree with secretary clinton that donald trump is not -- not that a typical campaign, the whole nature of his campaign is not on issues as much as it is on bigotry, trying to divide us up. on making americans think that we have to hate mexicans or hate muslims, the constant insults against women. his so-called birther efforts are against president obama that is not what our country needs. in the stressful times we have to bring our people together not divide us up. >> dickerson: what are you personally going to do to help hillary clinton get elected? >> i'm going to do a couple of thing. number one, i intend to campaign vigorously to make the case that on issue after issue, clinton is far and away the superior

the real issues impacting the american people. i want to see health care expanded so that every american gets health care as a right which exists in every other industrialized country. we worked on an agreement to make sure that public colleges and universities will be tuition free for families earning $125,000 a year or less. that is 83% of the public. john, i'm going to go around the country, do my best toak country faces many serious problems, by far hillary clinton is the superior candidate. >> dickerson: do you see your role as possibly blowing the whistle as hillary clinton moves off in some of those promises or if she were to become president if she doesn't keep her eye on the ball as you see it that your job will be, wait a minute, you're not keeping your promises? >> that's a good point. we work with the clinton people to forge what is far and away

platform in the history of any party in this country. and to answer your question, yes, i will return to the united states senate, hopefully with a democratic senate. i'm going to do my best to see that we have a democratic senate. hope. ly we will have secretary clinton as president. in that capacity i surely will do everything that i can to make sure that a clinton administration and a democratic senate and the house agree that i can stands up for working families. is prepared to take billionaire class. is prepared to try to create a vibrant democracy not allowing billionaires to buy elections. i'll do all of those things. >> dickerson: thanks for much for being with us, senator. >> thank you. dickerson: joining us now is donald trump's campaign manager, paul manafort who is in south hampton, new york, this morning. mr. manafort, start with kyser khan who spoke talked about sacrifice that donald trump had not sacrificed anything.

>> look, this is -- mr. khan -- mr. trump all of us give him our sympathy and empathy for the loss of his son. that was a real tragedy. issue is not mr. khan and donald trump the issue is, radical islamic jihad and risk to the american homeland, that's the issue. all the lives lost in the war over there are are sorry for it. what mr. trump has talked about, which should be the discussion here today is, how do we protect our homeland from refugees coming in from areas that are unsafe. mr. trump has made it very clear that he believes there needs fob temporary suspension from those areas until we can have system that can process it. that is the issue. the second part that have issue is to remember that all of these lives that were lost needlessly, lost because of the war that

the iraq situation with president obama and secretary clinton took office in january of 2009 was totally different world than it is today. because of the failed leadership and mistakes they made including secretary clinton as secretary of state, is isis arose, middle east destabilized, war in syria developed all of this is what we should be talking about. mr. khan went through enormous loss. he isn't the issue. issue is the american people are to be focused on is to focus on american -- homeland security and how to prosecute the war against isis. >> dickerson: i hear what you're saying. when mr. trump was asked about this second thing he brought up was that mr. khan's wife didn't say anything. why did he take that was important to bring up right away? >> these are clinton talking points. >> dickerson: that was mr. tru mr. trump's answer. >> but the folk you was not on

what needed -- what needs to be focused on is why are we at risk. what is the war all about? i think -- i can't get into all of the issues as mr. trump can. he is not the issue. we feel sorry for what he went through. have to stop the risk of radical jihad. that's the focus. frankly in the acceptance speech apt the convention, mrs. clinton, her policy to do that was simply regurgitating the exact policy of the obama administration, nothing differen mr. trump said we're going to do it differently. that's what we should be talking about not mr. khan and his tragedy. if you want to get into that narrative why aren't we talking about the victims who spoke at the republican national convention who lost their loved ones to illegal immigrant criminals. war not talking about that. >> dickerson: it's a good point. did speak at the republican national convention, i think distinction people boo say is,

way that mr. trump talked about mrs. khan that would be the distinction. >> mr. trump was asked about mr. khan he didn't raise mr. khan the point mr. trump continues to focus on is, we need to focus on protecting our homeland security. that is the issue. not the tragedy of the khan family. >> dickerson: the reason this came up is the question of the ban on temporary muslim immigration, mr. trump now talks about street territorial s places where territories where there is terrorism. he also talks about extreme vetting. but is it still the case in that extreme vetting the first criteria would be whether someone is a muslim or has that changed? >> we've been talking about geographic suspension for months now this is nothing new. he announced in his foreign policy speech at the national press club three months ago. he's been consistently talking about it since.

and anybody who wants to come in. that is the issue. who they are, what their religion is, isn't the subject. the key is, we need to have a system that allows us to understand who is coming in from these terrorist activity areas. in syria we have no idea. obama administering has not seemed to be bothered by that. secretary clinton doesn't seem to be bothered by that. mr. crumb trump is. >> dickerson: hill donald trump participate in the presidential debates. >>sa just like we dediscoverred in the hack of the ndn -- dnc mrs. clinton likes low audience. that's what she conspired for to keep bernie sanders from getting large audience. mr. trump says i want a debate i'll do three. i want it to be the maximum audience. going to sit down with the commission in the next week or so start talking to them. we want to make sure that we have a broad audience understanding so that we can get understanding ever the

change ache and mr. trump that will end the gridlock. >> dickerson: do you question the independence was commission that set up the dates for the debate? they haven't contacted the parties or campaign. >> no. not at all. we're saying that our position to going to be we want the maximum audience participation. that's all. >> dickerson: let's switch to russia briefly here. did donald trump think that russia a threat to american nation natural security interest? >> well, i think mr. trump said on campaign trail biggest threat to failed leadership on the part as far as russia or china or syria or isis, they are all threats. he has said that he will have robust policy that will put american interest first, make america safe, he believes that strong leadership with clarity of vision will keep out of the uncertainty of the world in a better place. ironically the point he was trying to make last week which was ignored or taken off of the clinton narrative, was that here

33,000 missing e-mails that the fbi can't have access to, and most likely because of the insecure -- unsecured nature of the server in clinton's home for country probably have access to those 33,000 e-mails. who knows what secrets are in there. it's an example of the clumsiness and lack of personal interest by secretary clinton ahead of america's national security interests. >> dickerson: house speaker paul ryan sai menace, is that something that donald trump would disagree with, do you think? >> i think mr. trump has made it very clear he views russia to be somebody that we need to be firm with. and he is defined that he would put american interests first in dealing with russia as well as any other country. get into what his specific words are he said that. he used russia as a foreign power has its own interests at stake we in the united states have to put america's interests first.

dickerson: we turn now to the chairman of the republican national committee, reince priebus in racine, wisconsin, mr. chairman, paul manafort said that donald trump wants to participate in the debates but doesn't sound like a full blown commitment. is there anything unfair about the way that the debates are set up now at this moment? s. >> well, we're going to be working with the commission, john, in what they're putting together. certainly we're not going to agree with anything that ou would be incumbent upon them to communicate with us and others about what they have in mind. we're not going to be having debates on saturday and sunday nights, i don't believe. it's up to the nominee. of both parties to make that that decision but certainly rnc will be involved in supporting our nominee in his position on this. my personal view is that we need maximize the audience and that's going to be either tuesday,

and that's where we stand on the ish u. >> dickerson: these debates, dates have been set for a long time. independent commission set them a long time ago why are bee just now hearing about this from the rnc? >> well, they don't communicate to us. no one from the commission has called me. i know there was study pointed out lot of flaws with this commission, and it's been a hot topic, i think, in our party for a long time. should take over these debates is a topic that has been discussed in the past. i'm fine with working with the commission as long as they're tholing work with us. but i'm not talked to them at all. >> dickerson: mr. chairman are you saying you didn't know that the debates were set for these debates, announcement on debate. >> they can set whatever dates they wanted. i don't really care when they set the debates.

put together we choose the moderators and choose the networks that are going to be in charge of these debates, that to me is the time when all of this gets set. if they have target dates that's fine. but they haven't communicated any of those things with the people that actually have to work with the nominees and the networks and everyone else to put actually these things together. >> dickerson: so there's one sunday and monday night you think there's a problem been that. th because of the competition with football? >> well, i think it's -- i don't understand why we would have hillary clinton and donald trump debating each other which is of interest to the entire country, let's face it, this is election like none we've ever seen there's a massive national interest, we just spaw that in both national conventions in breaking records. why would we present the next president of the united states, one of the two of these folks,

night? why wouldn't we want to maximize the audience and viewership so that people can feel free to watch. i don't understand why they would do that. >> dickerson: do you agree with the nominee that it's a rigged system, the debates? >> no, i don't know whether the commission is rigged i just think there's a lot of flaws with this commission, they are working hard, not taking anything away from them. it's not easy. i've been through thick and thin with these debates as everyone undend wouldn't be a give and take. by the way, i think there will be a give and take. what we're seeing is, having a debate on a sunday night or a monday night is not the ideal time. we should resift it. >> dickerson: let me ask you about something else mr. trump said, he wouldn't meet with conservative donors, the koch brothers that would make him a quote, unquote, puppet. house speaker paul ryan's meeting, governor scott walker meeting with them and mike pence

>> well, look, i didn't hear that quote. i'm not questioning your comments. i've had a good relationship with charles and david, i've had good relationship with americans for prosperity and with many of the donors that help them. i think we're a big family. i think that some of these bruises take time to heal. i think in the henned we are going to be together at the table working together once we get through this month and next month. i think in the going to come together, some of these things are just a lot of bruise, is that take time to heal. >> dickerson: on the broader question, mr. trump almost every rally talks about those who receive money from special interests as being puppets of the donors. he talked about himself playing himself as puppet matter, lot of republicans receive money as democrats do, hillary clinton receives a lot of it. are republicans puppets because they receive money from special interest? >> i don't think anyone is a puppet what donald trump is saying, rightfully so, is that

hasn't had to rely on a lot of these special interest money. i'm in the saying all special interests are bad interests. i don't think people that have to take money are necessarily bad, but i do think that when a person like hillary clinton lines her pockets with all of the groups that she then turns around and bashes, it's -- there's air of hypocrisy. i don't have a problem with banks or a problem with wall street. but the problem i have with the hip kit who on one hand tags gobs of money from the p claims that she's working against. it's all just a big fraud. it was a fraud that the dnc tipped the scales in her favor, it's a fraud that she pivots and talks about russia when she herself is the reason why these e-mails that she's -- that she put at risk are in the conversation that we're having today. it's a fraud that she talks about special interests on one hand and then turns around and claims that she's working against it.

last week, everything is great. it's all vanilla ice cream and cotton candy, nothing to see, no talk of isis. everything is on the right track. she has put us on a glide path which has created a situation that americans are hurting in this country. we don't have an answer to isis across the ocean. and donald trump is talking about how we're going to get ourselves on track. and that's where we're at today. >> dickerson: all right. mr. chairman, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you, john. when you don't get enough sleep...

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fantastic, it was huge. did you see melania. >> i understand that you have a statement? >> yes. that is true. >> the statement was written by the same staffers who wrote last night's speech? >> yes. i wrote it. >> even trump doesn't seem to like him that much. take a look at this awkward moment between them at the end of the pence's speech. >> another one? another e-mail scand the democrats getting more [bleep] than nigerian prince. >> what are you hiding in your e-mails that you didn't give to the snib. >> i am the most highly qualified person to ever seek the office of president. but as a grandmother, sometimes i make a boo-boo on the computer. >> if you're going to put tape over your mouth to symbolize that you are being silenced don't agree to do an interview. >> is there anything hillary

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>> dickerson: we're here with dr. anthony fauci head of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. to talk about the new cases of zika discovered to be caused by mosquitoes in the u.s. last time you were on you said this was very likely to happen. it now has happened. what is being done to contain these? >> the thing that you do immediately to try to contain this, to do mosquitoe control, vector control that is immediate implementation tool that you have. that is being very aggressively pursued right now by the state and local health authorities. particularly in the area of miami, dade and broward county where the four locally transmitted cases have occurred that's the critical issue. that is the issue with the authorities. what individuals can do is to

that by staying indoors, in air conditioned places. make sure when you have doors and windows that have screens that are in good repair and when you go out, wear clothing to protect you to the extent possible and put insect repellent on to protect the exposed areas. that's what the individual can do together with what the local authorities do. >> dickerson: how big a threat could this become and do people need to be concerned or what is the level of concern people should have? >> don't take this anticipate prepare for the worst. we do not feel that this is going to turn into that broadly disseminated situation that we seen in brazil or port redo. this is in stark contrast with puerto rico. they have the conditions where they are having, will have major outbreak. what we've done with similar infections like dieng gay.

disseminated. having said that, we would almost certainly have more individual prop-ups of local transmitted cases. i don't believe it's going to stop at four. but we don't believe it's going to be widely disseminated f. we do what i'm saying we can do that is thing we need do do aggressive vector control. >> dickerson: would you suggest that pregnant woman avoid travel to the area where this is? >> right now the recommendations from thedc would be travel guidance. this is something that is being evaluated literally every single day to see if any of the conditions change to indicate that there is going to become more broadly disseminated. is the cdc would issue the travel. >> the continuation of the sus

have been good vector control. you still see cases coming up that's where you pull the strigger for doing the travel alert for pregnant women. >> dickerson: what is not being done right now in dealing with this? is there anything that is not being done because of congressional funding or lack of will? >> well, i wouldn't say lack of will. the issues as you know, the president asked for 1.9 billion do things that we do at nih with vaccine but thing that the cdc does working with the state and local health authorities for vector control and few other things. we're going to rapidly run out of money if we don't get it real soon because we're stretching it, borrowing money from other places trying to do those kind of things. we're getting to that critical point very quickly. >> dickerson: explain to people what vector control street. >> just getting rid of the mosquitoes. you get rid of the mosquitoes by

one, you remove the places where they breed. standing water, pots, pans, tires, even little bottle caps when they lay their eggs you get larva then adults. then do larvicide to kill them. adult insecticide, do it by variety of ways. you can have backpack spraying, aerial spraying, number of ways to do that. we see vector control we're talking about get rid of the mosquitoes. >> dickerson: tell me about the zika vaccine, where is that? >> we're making very good progress. it's really on a very fast i would say, john, that we very likely in the next couple of weeks go in to phase one trial in one of the several candidates that are being considered. by phase one we mean test it in limited number of people, in this case it will be about 80 people. we'll do it locally in the washington, d.c. area to determine if it's safe. mainly, can we give it to people. does it induce the kind of response we predict. that will take a few months, by the beginning of 2017 if that

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they set the stage for the campaign to come. on the one hand, there was distinct difference between the two conventions, democratic convex was like the broadway production of "hamilton" and the republican national convention was like a middle school play. but they both delivered very strong messages. democratic message more optimistic, future oriented, celebration of diversity. view of where we are as a country. democrats portrayed donald trump as kind of a loose cannon, crypto-fascist, can't get near the nuclear secrets. republicans portrayed hillary clinton as a corrupt, untrustworthy exemplar of the status quo. i think that is the race we'll see from now until november. >> dickerson: is the race we're going to see about defining what territory that race is fought

the world never get to the question of what has better programs to improve american's lives? >> we're at the stage of the campaign where 80% of america becomes spectators and 20% of america becomes the reluctant recipient of constant attention from candidates. because we're getting into the battleground states and that's where the campaign is going to be carried out. going to be messages. one distinction, i think the debates would be very important can, particularly for donald trump whose big hurdle to prove that he actually can be the president of the united states and that he's not just a messenger in this race. those are going to be important, but by and large we're going to the battleground states now and it's going to be a grinding affair there. >> dickerson: hillary clinton spent a lot of time in her convention speech on donald trump.

>> no. it didn't. because i think for her the most important thing is to make him an unacceptable choice, particularly to these college-educated, largely suburban voters who have leaned republican in the past, they supported mitt romney by i think margin of about 12 points but she is now even or ahead with him. she she has to hold those voters and she needs to make shim -- shim unacceptable to those voters a lot of her maybe preparedness and his impulsiveness, his reactivity were all aimed at those voters. >> dickerson: bill clinton tried to make the known as change agent. b, argument implicit what he was aylaing is change is grinding and slow and incremental. that is not very exciting as a campaign message. how much do you think you can make hillary clinton an agent of

argument. i thought bill clinton's speech was great up until that point. i thought the great role that he played was to give people a richer sense of who she is, what motivates her, where she came from. i think that was valuable in this convention. political argument that he made i think may be less valuable. i don't think she's going to win this as the agent of change. i think she's going to win it on temperament. she's going to win it on stability, experience and in contrast to people have about donald trump. >> dickerson: you've been in these campaigns, there's 99 days before people stop voting. tell us, give us a sense of what a campaign is doing now? priorities start to kick in, what kinds of tough decisions are they having to make now with 99 days left? >> well, it's about rationing resources for one thing, where you spend -- where you put the candidates and their surrogates. where you focus their time. where do you spend your

than donald trump. where and how do you spend them. one thing that i think may be determining a fact, a determining factor in this race is, that there really is a lot of technology around politics now that goes to analytics -- analyzing data about voters that give campaigns a clear sense of who to target and how. she has been working on that project for a long time. donald trump is way behind on this. it's as if he football that can move down the field but no field goal unit. it puts a lot of pleasure on him as the deliverer of a message where as i think she's got a lot of the the mechanisms that are necessary to bring it home and potentially close the contest in some of these states. >> dickerson: david axelrod, thanks so much for being with you. we'll be right back with our

>> dickerson: joining sus amy

"washington post." i'll start with you. two conventions. two visions. is this electoral -- campaign about two auto lock torts. >> we're back to where we were a few weeks ago as you pointed out in your cbs poll. clinton got similar bounce, actually pretty good news for her given that trump had a lot more consolidating to do with his core supporters than clinton had to do. i think we saw, day and night. dark and light. but there were some similarities national convention was all about donald trump. and republican national convention was also about donald trump who kept appearing day after day. i think that is more narcissistic nature of the candidate. both of these campaigns are going to try to make it about the other guy. you make it about the other guy, they're both unpopular. >> dickerson: made it all about each other which is going to be. >> constant theme. dickerson: going to be a pretty ugly campaign. but the response from the trump

clinton land. they give this optimistic speech, next day gdp is weak they just do not have their eye on the ball. is that a winning message? >> this were, quote, unquote, normal election where you had republican who came out said, i'm an ache of change, things haven't gone well we need to turn the page. i think it would be very difficult for hillary clinton, one, to embrace the president as she did. literally and figuratively. to try to walk this line of things are kind of bad but not so bad. it's not as bad but this isn't sort of the normal election and the republican put forward is the kind of candidate, again she's going to have to make this case that he is not the right messenger. he has the right message but danger is the change because his change brings him -- >> dickerson: too much change. >> too dangerous that's where i agree with david axelrod trying to make her an ache of change is not going to go where. she's is the status quote. but she has to make the case

be safe than to make the risk of change. >> definitely a danger for both. if you look at donald trump and why the tone of the convention was so pessimistic it makes perfect sense when you look at his thesis as a candidate. the folks who flock to him even if they were reasonably well off or middle class, people who felt like the 21st century had basically been a disaster. when you have people who compare themselves to, let's say, men, who compare fathers at the age they are now. and when they look at their status when they look at their stability, other things they enjoyed in their lives and look at themselves. look at the democratic coalition. this is a coalition where michael bloomberg, who is richer than donald trump speaking how the things are going well. minority voters who even if they're struggling or working class they're doing better than their moms and dads. in a lot of cases. you are often this case for

optimism resonate that 20% of the country, we don't know, donald trump's case for pessimism, it makes a lot of sense to the people who won him the g.o.p. nomination. does it makes sense for people outside of that universe. >> dickerson: lot of things going on in democratic convention was praise for john mccain, hillary clinton praised number of republicans. president praised george herbert walker bush, that was the 20%? >> 100%. i chairman that it was the best republican convention. not just in terms of praising those republicans but trying to take on the mantle of republican optimism of old-fashion the republican optimism. patriotism, the giant flags, all those appeals to values. to his point, who are those available voters out there. trump has a huge problem with college educated voters. if you think about where the

unless there's some magic that trump is able to perform which is bring out whole bunch of new voters in an unprecedented way who are huge voters. the normal electorate right now. college educated women in the suburbs in these battleground states. what did you hear as republican convention that resonates with them, those are the democratic convention. i'm not convinced that the apocalyptic, not just pessimistic, but the tone of the republican convention will college educated women in those battleground states. that's the real question. >> when you look at republicans doing well in the mid term, they do well because they do well college educated white voters, they had that to that working class base that's been in the party nor some time. trump might have moved the needle alternates bit, but i agree with john that college educated white vote that is responsible. >> he is fundamentally decided that this is a turn out election, if he can just get

older males out to vote in larger number than ever before, he wins. clinton is pursuing a very common, typical strategy, we all looking back at -- through our history, obviously clinton strategy makes sense of reaching out to the middle at this point. donald trump believes that he can rewrite the whole fundamental politics. >> dickerson: this travel that she did after convention aimed trying to protect the blue collar voters, help us de trump does well, traps even some democratic blue collar voters that hillary clinton does well, trump gives her an opportunity with the college educated women. but -- >> you have to hold your margin. one thing saying, you're going to lose white noncollege voters. another thing to lose them by ten points more than barack obama. keep your margins there. this is another fundamental element of the them cane, hillary clinton has all the elements of a traditional ly strong campaign. she has the money,

advertising. and yet she's basically two points ahead or view it as tied. there may be enthusiasm problem. but she has the infrastructure to do that. he has the enthusiasm, but doesn't have the infrastructure. which one is going to win this battle. >> this is a huge problem for the trump campaign if you're depending on changing the electorate from fundamental way that's mexicanal thing as much as a message thing. this disparity of resources, this disparity in terms of the ground game poses huge challenge just to make this one last p about white college educated voters. republicans won for 50 years. it's not even close, right now the polling that we did with bloomberg has hillary clinton up in double digits with white college educated voters that's a huge problem if you add that in to the existing obama coalition of nonwhite voters that he has turned out, helped democrats win five of the last six popular votes at the presidential level. >> if she can turn -- them out. >> the mechanical stuff that

person who likes you from their living room to the polling plagues. wouldn't the trump people say, this guy puts them in the seats. he's the one who has high ratings, he's making people really enthusiastic. he doesn't need all this and that and fancy consultants. they're going to be marching to the polling place. >> one thing we know is that in 2012 you have the romney campaign a very professional campaign by all accounts. yet when they deploy to get out the vote technology, in 2012, they struggled with it. the system was notorious for many failures. but then when you look at the trump campaign, there's some level at which you have to make sure that people as you say, get to the polling place. that involves infrastructure. it involves infrastructure, another thing is are you getting your support in the right places. this is a dilemma for both of these campaigns. electoral college means that if

it doesn't matter if you're a democrat. similarly if you're republican if you are doing extremely well with noncollege white voters in the deep south, you are not doing quite as well in swing states. that is a problem. to some degree you look how close this eye selection it's not actually giving us the useful information about where is it close. and who is actually going to get out the marge in. >> we are seeing the margins in places, margin between losing by ten points and losing by 20 points in some of the areas that obama did do clinton with some of the voters. organic question, the other thing, republicans that i've talked to look at voters who turned out for the primaries. we hear all this stalk, huge turn out for donald trump. biggest number of republicans ever to vote. 95-96% of those are traditional republican voters. maybe they didn't vote in primaries before. that is true. but they voted in general elections, this now is getting turn out to a place that we'd

registered to come out and vote. >> not the trump is a new phenomenon what is new he's pulling people in the primary process which doesn't tell us anything about the general. let mef i may, switch to debates. what is going one donald trump and the debates? what do you all see happening here? >> john, i'm glad you held their feet to the fire on this. september 23, 2015 when the date were put out. not a peep from the rnc or peep c it's important to point this out. because now you have trump saying the system is rigged. you have manafort with you saying, they were conspired with the hillary clinton campaign. this isn't in the realm of he said, she said this is a fact. i think it just needs to be pointed out, whatever they're doing right now is something that they were not doing for the last 11 months. >> very interested in the minor party candidates. you look at gary johnson the libertarian he has been pretty

centrist, moderate campaign which he emphasizes his social liberalism. you think that libertarian would be there to attract some of these college educated voters who otherwise vote for republicans. but when you're looking at the debates it's a big question. is trump going to say, well, i insist that we have gary johnson and joe stein there. it would make sense because he seems to do heck of lot better when he didn't see him one on one debate. that is will be very interesting. frankly he'll have other allies say, we want other people in this process, too. otherwise clinton voters, that clearly has implications for the election. >> dickerson: we focus on the debates it's the next big turning point in the row. should we do that, should we be -- or are they going to be bigger now than ever? >> look, you can think about what the schedule is of life between now and those -- that first debate. you have the olympics, which under normal circumstances empty blot out the sun in terms of news coverage in august.

might not be like that the way it was in 1996 in terms of the news blackout. i think the first debate well be gargantuan. you will see television audiences unlike any other we've seen if you're on a canoe in the zimbabwe, people will want to watch this debate it's willing go huge. trump will not want to do three debates f. he -- both recognize they have to do one because there's so many questions about his temperament and suitability of the oe. '80s test, he's got got to do that it matters hugely. easily imagine saying i want to pass that test once then move on. >> dickerson: so 20 seconds what happens if he does that, if he gets out of the three debates? >> we have not been able to answer, what if. i feel like half the answers are that, emoji, the -- i do not know. you would think that would be

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