tonight, on "20/20," a barbara walters exclusive. >> if you were in the white house, right now, what would you say? >> i'd be saying, we're going to bomb the hell out of -- >> is this a candidate that can really win? >> i'm a rich guy, but i have this great relationship with the worker er ing people of this country.

veterans, been called crass, bigoted, obnoxious. >> and his wife melania, speaking up for the first time tonight. >> your husband has come under fire for making disparaging remarks about women. does this bother you? >> he treats everybody the same. >> the first lady of the trump empire. but could she be the country's first lady? >> is your image a liability for your husband? plus, the trump children. >> who is his favorite? >> and for the first time on tv, all of his grandchildren. the softer er er side of the donald that you've never seen. tonight, he's got all the real estate he needs. but what about this real

estate -- the white house? >> for many, the white house is a step up. i'm looking around this room. the white house may be a step down. >> could this be your next first family? meet the trumps. >> good evening. i'm barbara walters. and tonight, the donald trump you have never seen before. not blustering on the campaign trail, but intimate at home. a family portrait. his wife in her first sitdown interview since he announced his candidacy. so, here's the man hoping to hear you're hired, instead of his signature, you're fired. donald! to your right! to your right! >> reporter: for years, donald trump's "louder than life" style was the stuff that tabloid dreams are made of. >> what a great honor it must be

for you to honor me tonight. >> reporter: the brash billionaire was a real estate mogul. married to three glamoro women. a best selling author who made cameo appearances in movies. >> down the hall and to the left. >> reporter: on television. >> go another 50 grand and i'll cut the lawn for you. 3>> reporter: even commercials. >> hey yourself. >> reporter: most recently, he reinvented himself as the host of a reality show "the apprentice." >> you're fired. >> reporter: not the typical resume of a man who aspires to be president. what made you start running? did you have a dream? did you get up and say, "you know what, president?" >> the time i really thought about it was last time when mitt romney ran. and he ran and i decided not to do it. and i had a lot of obligations, i was -- signed a contract with "the apprentice," and i had a lot of buildings under construction, i was doing a lot of things. it was sort of difficult to do it then. now i'm in perfect -- you know, it's perfect. although i gave up two seasons of "the apprentice," you know,

nbc signed me -- >> reporter: aw. >> i know, but it still you know what it's a lot of money and it's two years of primetime television. >> reporter: yeah. >> and other things. to do it myself. >> reporter: but donald trump is a candidate unlike any other. stupid! stupid people! bing bing bong and dat! propriety. politics popular. >> the only one qualified to interview me is me. >> reporter: but some say it's also less than presidential. you used to call me on my cell phone >> we are in that moment today where there seems to be no distinguishing between reality tv celebrity and political or hard news. he is the most reality tv star of a candidate that has ever existed at the most reality tv time in america. >> reporter: i first met donald trump in 1987. michael jackson was at the top of the charts. because i'm bad i'm bad

>> reporter: hair was big. greed was good. and 41-year-old donald trump was flying high. when you look at that wonderful skyline, do you say i own that, >> well, i look at that skyline, barbara and i really say it's the greatest in the world, and i'm very proud to be a part of it. >> reporter: in the big apple, anything else you want to buy as you look out there? any good properties that we can see? >> i'd really like to buy everything if that were possible. >> reporter: i bet you would. what about central park? >> reporter: no, i think that should be preserved and left and donald trump should not be allowed to touch central park. >> reporter: a lot of people are very relieved. but trump was already dreaming about his next conquest. a future far more grand than just prince of the city. >> new york developer donald trump saying american foreign policy lacks backbone.

beginning of a long flirtation with the greatest "get" of all. >> we're going to see whether or >> are you running for president? >> i have never been so serious as i am now. >> reporter: finally after almost 30 years the man who might be president sailed down an escalator for his surreal moment of destiny. >> i am officially running for president of the united states. >> reporter: his speech was one of the most jaw-dropping >> and we're going to make our country great again. the u.s. has become a dumping problems. they're laughing at us. immigration, provocative to say the least. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best, they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. and some, i assume, are good people. i will build a great, great wall on our southern border and i will have mexico pay for that wall. >> reporter: how do you plan to ready? >> first of all, we have to

we have to create a border. we have to have a wall. we're going to have a wall. it's going to be a real wall, not a little wall that they drive trucks with drugs over the top of it, okay? you see the pictures -- >> reporter: yup. >> in the newspapers where they wall. there's going to be a real wall. and it's not going to be hard to hey, who's better at building than me? i know exactly what to do. >> new fallout for donald trump. >> reporter: unlike any ordinary candidate, trump didn't back off. he doubled down and set off a firestorm. >> well, call it another trump dump. macy's is now cutting ties with republican presidential candidate, donald trump. >> reporter: when you send these the women and children? >> they're going to go with everybody, not just -- >> reporter: you send the whole -- >> oh, sure. >> it's got to be a family unit. it's going to be done humanely. >> reporter: you speak your mind, heaven knows. you have sometimes offended women, latinos, veterans. how can you unify the country statements? and they know i'm going to take care of them. i'm going to protect them. the people that are here legally, hispanics, like me

because they don't want people coming in and taking their jobs. >> reporter: do you speak any spanish? >> no. this is an english speaking country, remember? >> they want to! >> reporter: from the beginning -- >> why are we getting involved for? come on! >> reporter: his inflammatory comments have drawn criticism from every quarter. >> let's go, baby! >> trump running for president is like -- >> this is your worst nightmare. >> could he actually win? >> reporter: trump is the shock jock of the political campaign. but it's paying off big in the polls. he's now at the top of the pack for the republican nomination. after you announced your run for cover story in the "daily news" that showed you as a clown. bigoted, obnoxious. any of this bother you or does it all -- >> no. nobody calls me a clown now. i can tell you that. and you're right, at the beginning they were doing everything they could -- they -- you know, everybody was trying to belittle, because that's what they do. now they've gained great respect because i've gone from going

into a race that everybody said i wasn't going to enter, and i went being -- being up, up, up so, i've spent less money and i'm in number one position. other people have spent $30, $40 million and they're dying. >> reporter: i used some words to describe you disparagingly. what words would you use to describe donald trump? >> well, i mean, i'll -- i'll give you the positive. i've -- i've always had great imagination. i've had great success with money but what they say is, is he a nice person? and i think actually i am a nice person, but i think the thing that will surprise people, i'll be a unifier. i think i'll bring people together. and that includes blacks and whites and everything. i think people will come together. >> reporter: but the man who calls himself a "unifier" has had a divisive history on the campaign trail. >> one second. >> no. >> i didn't want to --

>> more energy tonight. i like that. i never attacked him on his look, and believe me there's plenty of subject matter right there. >> reporter: you have said that one of the most important aspects in your personality is winning. why winning? what about the, "it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game"? >> i like winning better. look, we have to win -- >> reporter: okay. >> our country has to win. our country's been losing for so long, it can't go on like this. it's not -- we're not going to have a country left. i kid when i say, "you're going to win so much." if i win the election, "you're going to win so much at trade, militarily, every way. you're going to win so much you're going to get sick and tired of winning." we lose -- every single way you can lose, we lose. >> reporter: and when paris was attacked in a violent wave of terrorism, candidate trump blasted back. >> if they had guns, it would've been a much, much different situation. >> reporter: if you were president, what would you do to protect americans from such an attack? would you bomb syria? >> i would bomb wherever they are. right now we're being so politically correct, nice and

gentle, nice and gentle. we've got a cancer there, and the cancer is isis. life means nothing to them. >> reporter: france has declared a war on isis. should we declare war? >> i think so. why not? because right now they're getting people who have this great respect for isis, because isis is getting away with murder. they're knocking out airplanes, they're knocking out night clubs in paris. you can't let that happen. >> reporter: you have said that you could reason with anyone from putin to the chinese leaders. if you had an opportunity to speak with the leader of isis, what would you say? >> you got to take them out barbara and you got to take them out swiftly and strongly. as far as isis is concerned, that's a different thing. these people are crazy, okay. these people are crazy. >> reporter: you call president obama, i'm quoting, "insane" for allowing syrian refugees into this country. >> we have no idea, barbara, who they are. >> reporter: if you were in the white house right now, what would you being saying? >> oh, i would be saying, "let's go, folks."

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>> reporter: donald trump has always set the gold standard, literally, for life at the top. his $100 million, tri-level penthouse is inspired by versailles. with a palatial living room. imported crystal chandeliers. hand painted ceilings trimmed in gold leaf. it has sweeping views of new york city from every side. you have said that success is a kind of drug and it's too powerful for most people to handle. how do you handle success? >> well, a lot of people can't handle success, i've seen it. a lot of people can't win, they don't know how to win. you see it in sports, where they're right on the threshold of win and then they can't get it over the line. it's an amazing thing. winning is -- is tough. i always said winning is somewhat maybe innate, maybe it's just something you have.

but i've seen it. i've seen great talent both in business and lots of other things, they should be able to do it and they can't get the ball over the line. >> reporter: you are a winner? >> i think so. i mean -- >> reporter: i'm looking around. >> i think so. >> reporter: there's a lot of gold here. >> reporter: he shares this palace in the sky with his beautiful and graceful wife, melania. she has been mostly absent from the campaign trail until tonight. mrs. trump, it's a pleasure to see you and we don't see you that often. you are not on the campaign how do you feel about campaigning? >> well, it's my choice not to be there. i support my husband 100% but we have a 9-year-old son together, barron. and i'm raising him. and this is the age he needs a parent at home. >> reporter: were you involved in the decision of your husband to become president? >> we discuss a lot, yes.

and i encourage him and i -- >> reporter: you did? you encouraged him? >> i encouraged him because i know what he will do and what he can do for america. he loves the american people and he wants to help them. >> reporter: melania and her husband met at a party in 1998 where she caught the eye of the flirtatious donald trump. he came up to you, you rebuffed him. yeah? what was your first impression of donald trump? >> well, he was very charming and we had the great sparkle. he came with a date. so he asked me for the number and i said i will not give you my number. so if you give me your numbers i will -- i will call you. he was known as kind of a lady's man. and, but we had -- we met a week later. >> reporter: and then it was okay? >> yes, we had the great chemistry the first time. >> we've had great chemistry

>> reporter: before she was melania trump she was melania knauss, born 45 years ago in a small industrial town in slovenia when it was still part of yugoslavia. melania, a natural beauty, was also a bookworm. she went to university and was studying architecture when she was discovered by a major fashion photographer when she was just 17. soon after, she left school and slovenia for new york city. who would imagine that the quiet girl from slovenia would end up the wife of a mega-billionaire? their relationship made international news. not just because it was a may- december romance. but because of donald's previous two high profile marriages and even higher profile divorces. >> are you following the trump thing?

>> reporter: the first, a 13-year marriage to the stunning czech model, ivana zelinckova. and the second, to actress marla maples. >> i give it four months. >> reporter: actually, it lasted but today it seems the third time is indeed the charm. it's been ten years since donald and melania said "i do" in a lavish affair at trump's maralago estate in florida. one year later, they welcomed a >> reporter: this is your third marriage. what's different this time? >> well, i think i understand life. i've gone through tremendous amounts of everything. deals, and building companies, and taking care of people. >> reporter: how does that help marriage? >> well, it hurts marriage because you're working all the time. what i did is, i worked so hard that i think it was a very, very hard thing for somebody to compete with. >> reporter: your husband has been married twice before. did you have any concerns that it might not work out? >> no, i didn't have any

and to be with a man as my husband is -- you need to know who you are. you need to have a very independent life as well. and supporting him. you need to be very smart and quick. and be there for him when he needs you. >> reporter: is yours a marriage of equals? >> i would say yes. >> i would say no. no, i think she's far greater than the 50%. no, we have a very, pretty much equal relationship. wouldn't you say? >> melania, how did he do? >> reporter: but if the trumps win the white house, melania will have two noteworthy distinctions. the first foreign-born first lady since john quincy adams' wife louisa. and the first first-lady to have posed in a picture like this. i don't know how to put this, but your image, looking the way you do, is that a liability for your husband? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. i think people will always judge. maybe they will say, "oh, the

past that you have, the way you were modeling." that's part of the job that i was doing. i was a very successful model. and i did some photo shoots. yes, they were a little, little risky, but nothing more than you see every year in sports illustrated. illustrated. which i just saw that picture the other day. it was beautiful. and i will say this, if i'm lucky enough to win, the public will be so lucky to have melania. she will be so beautiful and elegant, and good from the heart. she will be a fabulous first lady. >> reporter: first ladies are expected to have a cause. if you have a cause, what would it be? >> i'm very involved in charities now. many, many charities. involving children, involving many different diseases. and i will, you know, if the time comes i will choose what is dearest to my heart and work on that hundred percent. >> reporter: do you give your husband any advice on the debates?

>> we discuss. i tell him my opinions. >> reporter: give me an example of a piece of advice that you've given your husband that he has taken. >> i will keep it private. >> well, she's told me, i mean, i can tell you she's told me a couple of times during the debate, she was very happy with my performances, if you'd want to call them a performance. but she said, "you could tone it down a little bit on occasion." which i understand. >> in the center of the stage tonight, businessman, donald trump. >> reporter: and speaking of tone, i wondered if melania had ever taken her husband to task on his tone towards women on the campaign trail. >> did he make a derogatory comment attacking carly fiorina? >> insulting the way she looks. >> you said look at that face -- >> i think women all over this country heard very loud what mr. trump said. >> reporter: you know, your husband has come under fire here and there for making disparaging remarks about women. does this bother you?

he treats everybody the same. he talks about men as well, not just women only. maybe he just go into something a little more details when he say something about women. >> reporter: while melania laments the amount of time campaigning costs their marriage, the couple insists, that at heart, they're homebodies. >> when he comes home we spend time together, two of us, or two of us and barron. just be at home. time together. >> reporter: and why not? when for now "home" is this lavish penthouse apartment, not pennsylvania avenue. for many, the white house is a step up. i am looking around this room. the white house might be a step down. >> the white house is the white house. it's just a spectacular place. and, you know, it's something that represents something very

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>> reporter: donald trump, unlike most of the candidates, is rich enough to bankroll his own campaign. >> i'm really rich. >> reporter: he flaunts his wealth, candidly. >> $8,737,540. >> reporter: you might think all his billions would alienate working class voters but trump says it's really a plus. >> we don't want your help. i'm the only one that's self-funding. i'm not selling myself to special interests. >> reporter: but he does use his $7 million helicopter as a political sideshow. >> does anybody want to take a ride? >> yeah! >> reporter: it made quite a splash at the iowa state fair. >> what amazes you most? >> his golf courses. his resorts, him himself. >> reporter: in a way, donald trump was born ready. the fourth of fred and mary trump's five children, he grew

his father, a real estate tycoon, built middle and low income housing. he always knew how to get what he wanted. his brother robert was no match for his schemes, as he told me in our first interview. >> robert had a set of blocks and i had a set of blocks and i asked robert if i could have his blocks and i built a beautiful tall block building and then i said i like it so much that i glued it together and then robert couldn't have his blocks. so i don't know, somehow that story is a story that a lot of people have asked me about, i don't know. >> reporter: what do you think it says? >> well, it says i think that just even at a young age i wasn't so much different than i am now. >> reporter: that relentless desire to win made his name a modern synonym for success. if flaunting it was the game, trump was the name. in the '80s, his fiery mix of hubris and vision caused him to win and lose fortunes. >> you're going to fight it to the bitter end? >> i always fight to the bitter end, don't i? >> reporter: but today, the trump kingdom is an empire.

from international hotels, to golf courses, even a winery. the name trump is such a brand for success that it has been licensed on an astonishing range of products. >> it's a great tasting vodka. >> trump model management. >> what does this guy not have his name on? >> the reason my real estate is successful is they know if i put the name trump on it, it's going to be the best. >> reporter: what's the downside of being part of the 1% of the richest people in america, especially when you're trying to reach the middle class? >> well, there's a certain loneliness that you have. but that's made up when you have a great family, i have a great family, fantastic family. have a wonderful wife. but the funny thing is, i'm a rich guy but i have this great relationship with the working people of this country, and that's true. >> reporter: what vein do you think you have touched? >> the vein of people are tired

virtually incompetent. >> reporter: trump says he's a man of the people. others say he's the p.t. barnum of politics. whatever the answer, he has been playing to crowds of thousands. >> donald trump speaks the truth. >> he's not a politician, he's not paid off. >> well, he's so damn good-looking, what do you think? >> reporter: his theme song is his message and it has definitely hit a nerve. we're not going to take it anymore >> reporter: on this night, trump owns the crowd. >> the number one value people are interestingly are looking for is authenticity. is it real? is it really real? he comes across at times as a bully, but people will take a bully who's strong over somebody else they think is nice who's weak.

so pathetic. >> reporter: without question -- >> we said no. >> reporter: the bluntness of >> sit down! >> reporter: keeps pushing way. but real change, not obama change. >> the next president, donald j. trump! >> reporter: trump is still the a power broker whether he wins or loses. next for donald trump? nomination, you can lose the election. what's next? i go back to what i was doing. i built a great company. but i think this is just a >> trump! trump! trump! calling. >> president trump! thank you everybody! when we come back, the trump children, all grown up, and unplugged.

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test text1 underline test text1 italics test text1 plain >> reporter: for every kid, there comes a point where your parents stop being cool. the things they say. >> going to be you. >> reporter: the things they do. call me on your cell phone children swear they are the exception. do any of you make fun of your >> i like not to, because you never know what happens genetically. >> it is funny, because it's the only hair we've ever known. but people seem fascinated. >> reporter: this week, i sat down with donald trump's four

oldest children. donald jr., 37, ivanka, 34, eric 31 and tiffany, 22. not surprisingly, they all think their father would make the perfect president. what makes your father tick? >> work. honestly, work and family. he's the last man you'll ever see that'll take three weeks and go to aspen or three weeks and go somewhere. i mean, he loves, he loves work. >> reporter: i need a quick show of hands. which one of you is most like your father? >> well, but in fairness, i think we're all like him in very different ways. >> you know, it's actually very scary. we can go to thanksgiving, right, and we can all -- >> we'll sit there and pick >> answer the same question the same sequence. >> i relish those holiday meals, because we can really sort of let loose. i mean, it is, it is a show, i mean, in and of itself. i mean, it's funny. and we have a good time making fun of each other and just having a blast. >> reporter: i first met don jr., ivanka and eric, his children by his first wife ivana in 2004.

the subject was nepotism. do you ever try to hide your name? >> i'd be lying if i said i didn't, especially when i was younger. there were times when you didn't want to have to deal with everyone making those assumptions, however ignorant they may be, that -- i'd go, say, introduce myself as just don, or sometimes i'd avoid the last name at all costs. >> reporter: today, all three wear their last name as a badge of honor. working as executive vice presidents at the family business. tiffany, trump's daughter by his second wife marla maples, is a senior at her father's alma mater, the university of pennsylvania. with plans to go to law school. tiffany, people are meeting you today, many people, for the first time. >> yes. >> reporter: to grow up with the name "tiffany trump" -- that's not easy. >> i think that it's all i know. i'm so happy to be tiffany trump. i'm so happy to be, you know, in

the family i'm in. >> reporter: your father has said that he was not -- i'm using his words, very present when you were growing up. >> i would challenge him on that. because he was very available to us and accessible to us. >> regardless of what he was doing, regardless of who he was meeting with, if we called, he took the phone. i mean, from when we were 6 years old, i'd call. he'd be negotiating with a ceo of a major bank or whatever it may be. and he would make them wait. >> our times together were learning, you know, playing in his office. he would always sneak me down the lobby. >> he found a way that was true maybe is a little less traditional. you know, his work is his passion. and he found a way to share it with us. father also taught them to respect the value of a dollar. >> he was the first to tell us how privileged we are. and with that privilege how much to really sort of earn what we were so lucky to have been afforded since birth. >> well, that's the right word. "earn." i mean, he made us work. we were on construction sites. and we were working. and at the end of the day, you were tired. and you earned minimum wage. and you'd take that money that spend it on something good.

>> to say we weren't spoiled would be laughable. but we were spoiled with great education, great experiences. but we weren't the kids showing up to college with, you know, a ferrari. we always had to sort of earn whatever it is that we wanted. and that, i think, prevented us from doing a lot of the other things that you've seen as, you know, downfalls, perhaps, in other children who have similar circumstances. >> reporter: and, it seems "the donald trump work ethic" is in their dna. >> you better do a good job or you're fired! >> we refer to it as "the trump guilt." when we wake up on saturday and we're not working. >> reporter: you have said, ivanka, of your father, that he bred you to compete with each other. what do you compete over? >> i think we all have a very competitive spirit. and i think that can be harnessed in one of two ways. to our detriment, meaning that we're competitive in spite of ourselves, or for the positive, which means we push each other. >> reporter: who is his favorite?

i'm going with ivanka. >> reporter: ivanka is, perhaps, the most well known of the quartet. the former model turned fashion mogul has taken a page out of her father's business playbook putting her name on everything from shoes, to handbags, fragrance. she says she is proud to be following in her father's footsteps. >> today i have the honor of introducing a man who needs no introduction. >> reporter: how was it decided that you would be the one who would introduce your father as a presidential candidate? >> that's an excellent question. and i don't know, actually, how it was decided. but i was honored to do it. and i feel like i was standing there sort of representing our family. >> and she did an amazing job, by the way. >> she's a great messenger. she's got such great poise, i think. and also the way ivanka delivered the message was perfect. and i don't think any of us could have done it better. >> and she absolutely has beauty over the two of us. >> yes, there's definitely an element, that, uh, you know, we ain't got that. >> they say they are their father's biggest cheerleaders.

supporting him at the debates and on social media. has your father ever said anything on the campaign trail that made you cringe? >> truthfully, no. >> reporter: no? no? no? >> he's not a big believer in p.c. culture where every statement you make you have to vet very carefully through thousands of people, but if people really break down what he's trying to say, there's no malice in there. he's just cutting through the nonsense and getting to the point and not wasting time. that's what he does. >> he's true to himself. and he speaks in a way that the average person can understand. i think that's refreshing for everyone. >> reporter: well, you have been about your father. he should be very pleased and proud. if there is one thing you could change about your father, what would it be? >> listen, i don't think any of us would be sitting here glowing the way we are if we'd want to change aspects of his personality or who he is. >> reporter: something. give me something. >> i want him to eat healthier. there you go. >> i agree with that.

>> less mcdonald's. >> sometimes i'll tell him, like, "oh, you have to, you know, slow down." but it's the only speed he knows. >> i love the occasional, you know, saturday morning where i don't get the call at 5:00, like, "why aren't you in the office?" come on, come on, you had to do that? >> and i wouldn't change a thing about him, i mean, he really is a unique individual. there's no one else like him. still ahead, the littlest trumps. and barbara, asking the really up close and personal questions. >> what do you dislike most about your appearance? on what occasions do you lie? not tell the truth? won't answer? next. watch network means everyone can protect themselves and their families from rwith local alerts, tips r and the inside scoop from former con artists. real possibilities

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seen in "vanity fair" magazine. my fantasy when i was very young was to be a nightclub singer. >> wow. >> reporter: didn't happen. what was your fantasy when you were very young? >> to be a baseball player. i was a great baseball player. >> reporter: what position? >> first base. catcher, first base. but, in those days you got paid $2, right? >> reporter: and that's not for donald trump? >> i mean, no. but my other fantasy as i got older was to do movies. i wanted to be a movie maker and i decided not to. i decided to go into the real estate business but i wanted to make movies. >> reporter: make them, not be in them. >> no, no, not be -- no, make them. i wanted to make them. >> reporter: what do you dislike most about your appearance? >> i like my appearance. i mean, people would say my hair, my hair's -- you know it's my hair. last time you started pulling my hair with your great show last time. >> reporter: is this part of your image or is it covering a bald spot? >> it's a funny thing.

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about most frequently? >> just having a good life. good family, good life. so important. you know barbara, i see people that are very wealthy, friends of mine that are immensely wealthy people, the wealthiest people in the world, a lot of them aren't happy. they don't have a good family life. they don't have a good marriage. they don't have good kids or their kids are on drugs. the happiest people i see are people that have a good family life. >> reporter: on what occasions do you lie? lie, not tell the truth. >> well, i think i will oftentimes, and i don't call it a lie, i call it a fib, if somebody's not looking good, i never would say that. i'll say, "you're looking good" or, "you're feeling good, how you doing?" and somebody could say that's a lie or it's a fib, but they don't look good but, you know, i, i do it. i don't want to hurt people's feelings. believe it or not, i have a lot of feelings toward that. i don't want to hurt people's feelings. >> reporter: is there anything that you want that you don't have? >> well, i think the one thing that i want right now is the presidency. i will do a great job and i'll make a lot of people happy.

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what a troop. >> reporter: what is your father like as a grandfather? >> he's been great. he's at a different stage in his life. he's able to relax a little bit more and be a grandfather. >> everyone having a good time? >> i can see my kids running up to him and giving a hug and just respect him a lot. seems even the littlest trumps are already learning from grandpa. >> a few months ago. we're walking down the street. and my daughter sees a large pot hole in the middle of a new york city street, and she looks at me and she goes, "mom, grandpa would not like that." so it's very cute. and she's 4. so she's observed him. >> definitely genetics. >> yeah. >> reporter: those grandchildren ranging in age from 17 months to 8 years old have an unlikely uncle in 9-year-old barron. >> why is your head on a baseball over there? >> reporter: while we were there, barron made a cameo appearance at his father's office. >> he's very close in age to my two oldest kids. they're like best friends. >> reporter: how old is barron now?

he's very close to my 8-year-old and my almost 7-year-old. and they have a great so it's almost we joke, you have to really respect your uncle, so, that drives my kids crazy, they're, you know, cousins or brothers and sisters when we are together as a family. so, it's a great way to really tie all of it together. >> say good-bye, everybody. come on. >> bye! i love you. >> bye, everybody. bye. >> donald trump is saying good-bye, everybody, and now we're saying it, too. we thank you so much for watching. i'm barbara walters. for all of us here at "20/20"