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what is it now, counselor? your honor, we have a new piece of evidence that would require a short overnight recess. a new piece? really? my gosh. dramatics, your honor. what is this new piece? we believe the dna was transferred through a paramedics gurney. come on. seriously? there is precedent for this. an oakland man was convicted of first-degree murder and spent two years in prison before it was overturned. precedent? (conversation continues indistinctly) ("mission district" by the black angels playing) ? ?

(polmar laughs) (will speaks indistinctly) ? you only love yourself... ? ? ? (gavel bangs loudly, music stops) diane: your honor, at the very most, this is a dui. that's all. my client is a respected businessman. he's shown a clear sense of... (distant gunshot) (people clamoring in distance) (gunshot) (gunshot, woman screams) (people clamoring) shots fired at cook county courthouse. (gunshot) everyone stay put. (clamoring, screaming in distance)

what is this? (clattering, woman screams) what's going on? i don't know. will's court. i know. look, stay here. (panicked shouting) man: stay down! (gunshots, woman screams) (alarm beeping) orders to lock this down. how many? i don't know. i only saw one, but there might others. did the lawyers get out? where are they? i think one ran behind the judge's bench, but there could be two others. will! damn it, kalinda, back off! my boss is in there. don't shoot! hey, hands in the air! down! get down! don't shoot! polmar: i've got someone in here! i need help! over here! sheriff: we're coming for you! just hang tight! no, no, we don't know where they are. man: she said she saw him heading behind the bench. i have swat on its way. we wait here. how many shots were fired? tactically, we don't know how many. it could have been anybody. negative, haven't seen him yet... have them get back to me. polmar: we got blood loss! i can't wait! operations, seal the exit. we need a bus forthwith. kalinda! damn it! get back here!

(indistinct radio transmission) (alarm beeping, gun dry firing) (alarm continues) p. will! paramedics! (ambulance horn blares) (indistinct radio transmission) excuse me, could you... hi. where is he? they-they took him in there a few minutes ago. is he all right? i don't know. i'm sorry.

excuse me. um... have you seen will gardner? he was one of the people shot in the courthouse. i'm sorry. those aren't my patients. do you know where he is? no. i can find out for you. just wait here. (indistinct announcement over p.a.) man: we got you, son. man: you're gonna be all right, buddy. his family, his sisters, i have to call them. um, i'll do that. no, i will. alicia? (speed dialing) man (over speaker): at this time, i'd like to ask you all to please take your seats. eli: he had other tapes? yes, three other surveillance tapes. with jim moody? no! people i didn't recognize. (whispers): he's coming after you, eli. as long as it's performed by underlings, we're okay. (phone buzzes) howard, michael, have you met alicia florrick?

(phone line rings) i mean, i just saw him a few hours ago. he was... he was happy. the case was working. (indistinct radio transmission) man: i got two down and counting. the vics from the courthouse. yeah, they're both here.

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you're going to eat it. it's gonna be good, ja. you know, you're going to chomp on it, ja, and then you get all crazy in the head. (continues indistinctly) there's a call for you. now? yes. you have to take it. eli, what is it? when you start talking about medical marijuana... (continues indistinctly) (audience laughing) (comedian continues indistinctly, audience laughs) hello? captioning sponsored by cbs and toyota.

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>> dickerson: welcome back the "face the nation." i'm john dickerson. for more on where national security stands 15 years after the attacks of 9/11, we're joined by cbs news senior national security analyst and former homeland security adviser to george bush fran townsend. steven brill contributes to "the atlantic" and is the author of this month's cover story, "are we any safer." and jeffrey goldberg writes for the atlantic and he's also a visiting fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. steve, i want the start with you.

article, "are we any safer," and i apologize, but can you boil it down into an answer? >> in only 20 words. >> well, we're along stronger because of the work of the people like fran did and tens of thousands of others and the trillions of dollars we spent. we strengthened our defense, but the nature of the threat has changed and evolved in a way that arguably in many ways makes us less safe. adapting to that environment that steve describeed? >> you'll appreciate, john, what happens is we never adapt fast enough. as you heard from the chairman of the intelligence committee, the threat has metastasized and spread. we have more bad guys in more different places now. that's a significant threat. you add to that the internet and the radicalization that happens over the internet, even very late to that game as a government across two administrations, frankly, and

we don't treat the internet as a battle space as we this land, air and sea. >> dickerson: jeffrey? go ahead. >> let me just say there are some old kinds of threats that we could deal with, because the threat has evolved to lone wolfe, people acting 9/11ly, the one thing that one of the political parties doesn't seem the want to do when it comes to homeland security is do what most other countries do, which is keep assault weapons, military w terrorists. that is one easy way to adapt that doesn't cost us money and that is logical and works. >> dickerson: jeffrey, let me ask you on this broader question, barack obama came into office with a certain set of challenges. in terms of the "are we any safer" question, what does barack obama leave for his successor on that question? >> so barack obama came in with what he would refer to as a very

crisis, 180,000 troops in afghanistan and iraq, bin laden alive. and he's been preoccupied and his administration has been preoccupied with handing off to his successor a "clean barn." the barn is not that clean, unfortunately. you have vast ungoverned spaces, even though isis is being rolled back in iraq and syria to some degree. you have isis, an organization that didn't even exist when he became president, new forms of terrorism, on the other hand, you have to say this, and you say this about george w. bush, too, after 9/11 it's somewhat miraculous, but we have not had a 9/11-sized terror attack in the united states. and i do think that's somewhat miraculous given how far behind we were. so he is not handing off a perfect situation to his successor, but it is a manageable situation still i think. >> miraculous, but the miracle didn't just happen. it's because of the work that

make it happen. i think we ought to acknowledge that today. >> dickerson: let me ask you, you write in your piece, "our imagination is limited to the day's headlines." policy-makers fight the war that made those headlines, not the war that might come next. you mentioned assault weapons. that's something that's been talked about and debated. but what's not in the headlines that people should be thinking about? >> let's take something that was very much in the headlines right after 9/11, the bioterror threat. the aax that is if anything more of a threat today than it was 15 years ago, but we have done nothing to develop technology that could really detect that kind of attack because it just happened to fall out of the headlines. >> dickerson: fran, what do you think of that? >> well, i think in fairness, across the w.m.d. spectrum, where you're talking about radiological, nuclear or chemical, we have taken different pieces of that and

comprehensive way that steve is talking about. part of that is the tyranny of the inbox. no president plans on katrina. no president plans on 9/11. so the distraction of the everyday crisis takes away from the more strategic plan that needs to be done. i do think, i come back to this. we can't kill our way out of this problem, no matter how much progress we've made in killing bin laden and other leaders, the fact is you have to address the ideology. i don't think we've done an nor have we spent the adequate resources against that problem. >> dickerson: jeffrey, getting to that question of ideology, we talked about ungoverned spaces. during the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we have to get them over there or they'll come over here. what's the state of that argument? is that still useful? is it still the worry? >> i mean, it's a useful framework to talk about this, but to add to what steve was

problem, if you have an internet problem, self-radicalization through the internet, then the people we're fighting are often people in the united states who don't even know at this moment that they're radicalized. they haven't been radicalized yet some going to what fran is talking about, this is the danger. we are safer in a sort of broad bureaucratic way that our defenses have been strengthened. we spent a trillion dollar strengthening those defenses, but we have no answer yet for the ideologies that ral people right here at home. and this is the danger. we are both safer and more unsafe at the same time. it's not a satisfying answer, but i think it's the correct answer. >> glad you didn't write my headline. >> dickerson: sorry. we had a little news here. i'll interrupt. hillary clinton left the events at ground zero unexpectedly today. the campaign says she felt overheated and went to her daughter's apartment and is feeling much better. but a person briefed on the matter tells cbs news that it appears she fainted when she got

learn more. steve, i want to go back to you on this question of the tyranny of the inbox. you studied a lot of complicate ed systems. let's find some... is there optimism? in other words, in a system where there's tyranny of inbox, you talked to jeh johnson, and he said, you know, we have to prioritize risks. is there a way to break out of that tyranny of the inbox? >> well, you have to have the capacity to take a step back at the same time that you about what is in your inbox. i think increasingly from 9/11 on, the bush administration made all kinds of management improvements as they learned. the obama administration i think has done a much better job of jeh johnson being the one secretary who is finally getting his arms around the management of this agency. but it is really hard because

where at any moment you could have an emergency that you have to pay attention to. to have someone writing an article in the atlantic saying, you should worry about dirty bombs because they are a potential threat, you're looking at that morning's intel briefing that tells you exactly what that threat is that day. that's a hard thing to balance. >> dickerson: finally, on the social media piece, fran, you said not enough is being done. if i were coming in and i were recommendation that i do right away? >> look at what we spend on our military and on the physical battle space to go after the ungoverned and fully governed spaces and look at what you're spending to combat it on the internet. the answer is it's so disproportionate you have to really make the commitment that this is a battle space that you're going to fight to control and fight to win in terms of the ideology. if you're not going to spend it there, you're not going to win there. >> dickerson: what would you spend it on? >> it's across a spectrum of

operations and offensive operations. some of is is covert, some is overt. you need to have the full you need to have the full spectrum. >> dickerson: all right. >> dickerson: all right. we'll end it there. thanks to all of you. we'll be right back with our political family. brakes are getting warm. confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. understood, brake bias back 2 clicks.

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