tv Face the Nation CBS October 24, 2016 2:00am-2:30am CDT
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(elevator bell dings) in the storage locker, just like you said. good. you need to go home. what about-- abby, quinn, olivia-- they're home. my friends and i need some alone time. hmm. (button clicks) he got there in time? he got there in time. oh, thank god. hallelujah. terrific. so... now it's just a matter of tying up loose ends. no. all right, if you won't, i will. no, charlie, you won't. uh, there's this girl i like. her name is-- you know what? i'm not gonna tell you what her name is
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er's weaknesses, but i like her, and she's good. she doesn't ask a lot of questions, but i know her really well, 'cause she's normal. but she will never know me. i'm a soldier. technically, we are soldiers. we served our country, but nobody gets to know that. there's no parade. there are no medals. so we come home and we try to have normal lives, but what is normal? i really, really like... killing people. it's... beautiful. right? they taught us to love it, and then they took it away and they left us with-- melvin just wanted someone to know. he wanted to stop pretending to be something he wasn't. he just wanted to feel free, to feel normal.
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melvin's just... he's one of us. (sighs) mm. hippie-dippie huck. who knew? (grunts) i'd wished you'd gone all oprah before you whipped out that drill last-- (gunshot) it was a nice speech, spin. really. we better start cleaning up. (paul) i got some plastic bags in the car. i'll see if i can find some rags.
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you're still here. (sighs deeply) i don't want to know what happened. don't tell me. i just care that you're still here. i couldn't handle it if... you're important to me. it's short for "spinster." what is? "spin." that's where the nickname came from. they never thought i'd meet somebody. (exhales) (projector and camera shutter clicking) (rustling) abby. i waited up for you, but you never--
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abby, what are you-- pretty sure it's here. i just have to find it. find what, abby? abby, talk to me. got it. abby? okay, yeah, let's talk. teresa dunn--37 years old-- although when you met her, she was much younger. she worked at the georgetown tavern when you were in law school. you asked her out on several occasions. finally, she said yes. you dated for three months. what does my ex from 20 years ago have to do with-- hospital photos of teresa dunn's injuries. (clicking) where did you get those? hard to find, what with you being a powerful a.u.s.a. and all and the son of a judge. what, did daddy clear your record so you could pass the bar? she fell down a flight of stairs. (sighs) she fell. she fell? we were having an argument, yes, but she took off and fell down those stairs. she fell. i didn't touch her. hmm. where have i heard that before? (pounds table) oh, yes, i "fell," too.
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is that this photo of me-- i found it here in your pile of investigative crap! did you investigate me before you slept with me or after? before. before we ever met at that bar. i was investigating everyone at pope and associates. you know that. but you only slept with one-- the stupid one, the vulnerable one who wouldn't know she was being used, because she has terrible taste in men. you realize you're talking crazy right now. i never touched teresa dunn. ask her. find her and ask her. i met her for coffee last night! she was telling me stuff-- stuff i wouldn't have believed. but i was looking right in her eyes, and she was crying, and i felt it in my gut. like olivia says, your gut tells you everything you need to know. yeah. abby, teresa dunn is lying, and i don't know why, but that's not what upsets me. what upsets me is that you haven't even given me a chance. it hasn't even occurred to you
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you look like a good guy, but you're not! i gave you a drawer. oh! if you touch me again, i will kill you, and i mean that. (cries) (door opens) (projector and camera shutter clicking) (nina simone's "i think it's going to rain today" playing) ? a pale, dead moon in the sky streaked with gray ? i was sleeping with david rosen and i knew it would hurt you, and i'm sorry. it's okay. it's not okay. you're my friend. (crying) i was mean to you. i was horrible. i'm sorry. i'm--i'm just so sorry. it's gonna be okay. abby? (sniffles)
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it's gonna be okay. yeah. ? in the latest styles ? ? with frozen faces to keep love away ? i can't believe i finally have my own office. and the first thing i'm getting? a couch. a real couch. ? overflowing ? what happened? is she okay? she'll be fine. ? and i think it's gonna rain today ? (projector and camera shutter clicking) (clank) ? lonely ? (static) ? lonely ? you must be the fergusons. come on in. i have the leaf peeper suite all ready. you're gonna enjoy your visit here.
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was the first piece of literature since the book of genesis that should be required reading for the entire human race. i'm gonna get you! i'm gonna get you. i'm gonna-- oh, i got you! ? i think i'll kick it down the street ? i got you! (kisses) ? that's the way ? hey, it's me. yeah, well, i'm back in town. thinking about staying a while, maybe get back into business. ? ? bright before me ? ? the signs implore me ? (cap clicks) ? help the needy ? (pen clatters) ? and show them the way ? ? human kindness ?
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i have popcorn and wine for you, an italian sub and a bottle of scotch for me and--and two movies. we can either watch angelina jolie with a gun or angelina jolie with a different gun. both are excellent. or we go back to debating presidents. invite me in. it's time. because i'm a man, and i don't play games, and you and i are very good together, so--so let me in now, or i walk away. ? yeah ? (crying) liv? ? i think it's gonna rain ? liv, are you okay? (bags thud) ?
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>> dickerson: welcome back the "face the nation." i'm john dickerson. we continue with republican strategist and cbs kutian frank luntz. frank, you mentioned change, and that was the message that would bring republicans together. donald trump has been talking about what he'll do in his first 100 days. he talked about derange the swamp in washington. is that what that's all about? >> it should have happened weeks or even months ago. i don't now why he waited this long. when you have 70 million people
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plan for the first 100 days. what republicans should look at, because there's going to be a lot of recrimination when this election is over, is that the focal point was not on those forgotten americans that donald trump talked about a year ago as he began his candidacy, it's that it's all focused on him, his battles with the women, his battles with the media, his battles with just about everybody. if he had stayed the voice and the vision for those people who have been left behind, this race would be a lot different than i is right now. >> dickerson: you say "recriminations." do you think it's over? do you think he's going the lose? >> i don't think it's over. if you look at polling numbers in key states, there are enough people still undecided. hillary clinton in almost, almost every poll is below 50%. i don't think she's going to get a majority on election day. but it requires a level of discipline that the trump campaign has not had. this is about the voice of the voters, not the voice of donald trump. >> dickerson: is it the
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getting lost? >> i think it's both. and in the testing that we do, donald trump scores really well when he talks about changing the budget and holding people accountable. but he scores really badly when he starts attacking hillary clinton on personal terms or even goes as far back as bill clinton. john, i have never seen a campaign that has less discipline, less focus, less of an effective vision at a time when more americans are demanding a change in the way their government works. this should have been a slam dunk for the g.o.p. >> dickerson: all right. frank luntz, thanks so much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> dickerson: we now go to democratic strategist and cnn political consultant david axelrod who is also in chicago. david, we must congratulate you first, a little history for the cubs. we wish them well next week in the world series. >> onl 71 years, john. >> dickerson: now that we've gotten that out of the way, give us your sense of where this race
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consultant on either side, any strategist who privately believes that donald trump's going to win this election, i think that hillary clinton is in a very strong position now. and you can see it with the fact that she's pressing into these normally republican bastions. your own poll in texas was shocking. she's got a lead in the aggregation of polls in arizona, and she's doing well in virtually every being state, traditional batt so the question now that you hear is: what impact will it have down the ballot. that's where i think the focus is going to be for the last couple weeks. >> dickerson: in those house and senate races. you've been in one of these. you know about early voting, the voting taking place right now. how does the campaign, if it's doing as well as the clinton campaign appears to be doing, how do they know it from looking at the early voting and what can they do strategically in the next 16 days that we should be looking at as we watch this
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places where they have an advantage because they have invested in the acutements of modern politics, in at it -- an lettics. who is voting early? they assigned scores in these battleground states to these voters to assess the likelihood that they'll be voting democrat or republican. and through those techniques you can get a sense of how you are doing. they know who hasn't voted, who should be voting for them, and they'll be pressing those people. there' in the trump campaign. the republican party has it, but the republican party has to make a decision as to whether they bring out voters for their senate candidates and congressional candidates, notwithstanding where they think those voters are on donald trump. >> dickerson: do you think the fact that hillary clinton is now talking about she took on senator pat toomey, the republican in pennsylvania, and is spending, as you say, more of her attention on trying to help democrats get elected in congress, is that something they can do because they're seeing
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it just simply they're looking at the national polls and thinking they have that freedom to move a little bit off of their attack directly at donald trump? >> i think you can assume they've got pretty sophisticated polling, and each of these battleground states. but i think there is a potential trap for the democrats and for hillary clinton. if she partisanizes her appeal in the final weeks too sharply, because the voters who are drifting from republicans are republican, college-ed republican, independent voters who might lean republican. if you partisanize the race too sharply, you may drive some of those voters back. so she has to be careful about how she makes her appeal in the final weeks, trying to get people out, trying to get people to vote, but talking more broadly about how she's goings to bring the country together rather than turning it into a partisan fight. >> dickerson: we've talked over the course of this election about message at the center of the clinton campaign, one of those hacked e-mails that came
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inside the clinton campaign back in february, her pollster who you know well, writes in one of those e-mails, "do we have any sense from her, her meaning the candidate, what she believes or wants her core message to be?" is that still a challenge for her campaign? what that core message is? >> well, yeah, i think it is challenge for them, but it's completely overridden by the things that frank luntz just talked about. donald trump has become the issue in this campaign. he has made himself that. of discussion. and that has overwhelmed every other issue. so even though she's going into this election with historically high liability in comparison to donald trump, she is doing quite well. >> dickerson: oprah winfrey tried to make the case for hillary clinton saying, "you don't have to like her." that's not a... what do you make of that? >> well, i think the people... this is a binary choice.
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states. what people have concluded, and you see it in every poll, is that hillary clinton has the competence and then she has the temperament to be president. they have questions about donald trump on both those things and that's what's making it impossible for him to make progress. >> dickerson: david axelrod from chicago, thank you so much for being with us. >> great to be with you, john. >> christa: we'll be right back with our politics panel. >> this portion of "face the nation" is sponsored by b.p. goes on a wall. it's not something you do now and then. or when it's convenient. it's using state-of-the-art simulators to better prepare for any situation. it's giving offshore teams onshore support. and it's empowering anyone to stop a job if something doesn't seem right. at bp, safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. listerine? kills 99%
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>> thank you for bringing up my e-mail, chris, and i'm very clarify to happen what's in some of them. sorry. what, carol? i'm sorry. i thought i heard my friend carol. anyway, back to your question about the way that donald treats women. [laughter] and that is how you pivot. >> dickerson: that was kate mckinnon playing hillary clinton from last "saturday night live." for some analysis on the real-life moments in the debate and more, we're here with "wall street journal" column fist and cbs news contributor peggy noonan jamelle bouie is here, jeffrey goldberg is here, we congratulate him on his new role at "the atlantic." he was just named editor-in-chief of the magazine. and ed o'keefe covers politics for the "washington post."
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from kate mckinnon. we'll run a clip of hillary clinton answering a question or not answering a question from a debate. >> well, everything i did as secretary of state was in furtherance of our country's interest and our values. the state department has said that. i think that's been proven. but i am happy, in fact, i am thrilled the talk about the clinton foundation, because it is a world-renowned charity, and i am so proud of the work that it does. >> dickerson: that was a question, peggy, about both hacked and also found through freedom of information requests of a closeness between the clinton foundation and the state department. she was asked about that closeness and her pledge to make sure there was no appearance of closeness, and she went and just talked about the great things the foundation was doing and didn't answer the question at all. in politics, they say if you're explaining, you're losing. she decided just not to explain. >> that's one way to look at it.
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to the fact that she has no argument to make here that is going the really make you think, oh, there was no pay for play, and if those allegations are wrong. i did think it took a special maybe gumption is the word to say, and we know i have only done the best work for america, after all, that is what my state department said. that is like, you tell me you did something wrong and i say, oh, no, i didn't, and i know i didn't because me said i didn't. it was her state department. so what can she do but pivot away from something that i think is a serious charge that even people in your focus group were talking about. it's just out there. everybody knows what they think. >> dickerson: it's out there, jamelle, but she seems to have come through the three debates in a much stronger position, so maybe she hasn't paid... people don't penalize her for not answering a question and donald
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own thing. >> right. i think part of the problem for donald trump in trying to capitalize on allegations of pay for play are really is with the scandals around clinton, you can find a similar problem around trump. clinton pivoted, but she pointed out that trump also has a foundation, and at least our foundation helps people, his just seems to purchase portraits exists for so many allegations against clinton or scandals against clinton that she can just avoid the question by turning it become on trump. and that's given her i think a real rhetorical advantage, even as voters still have a lot of questions about her honesty, her trustworthiness, et cetera, et cetera. >> dickerson: another time when she pivoted from a question asked about open borders, she went back and said, these wikileaks e-mails are coming from the russians and the intelligence agencies have said
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donald trump called her out for pivoting and then answered the russian question. what did you make of... he had first half right but the second half went to embrace russia. what do you make, jeffrey, of donald trump's... the safe space he creates for russia when he talks about russia and the fact that the intelligence community say russia was involved in the attack but donald trump is kinder to him than others? >> speaking of safe space, nothing triggers donald trump like a criticism of vladimir putin. we saw it the other night. this is historic and it represents a seismic shift in the way american politicians talk about russia. and large authoritarian countries in general. i mean, it's not entirely explicable to me, but generally the pattern in american politics and american life is we tend to side with small, besieged democracies over authoritarian superpowers.
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direction. sometimes we do that well. sometimes we this that not well. sometimes presidents are criticized for not doing enough, ukraine and obama is an example, but this is not entirely explicable but it's revolutionary. >> we've had three debates. after the three of them, what's the final conclusion? >> his bottom fell out and yet she did nothing to answer those questions about e-mails, about the state department, about transparency, and she seems i think they have gambled that they're ahead by enough comfortably that that's something that can be dealt with when she's president or she'll have to demonstrate through her actions that she can win back the trust of the american people. but look, if she had faith and if she faces a stronger republican candidate four years from now, should she win, it's going to be very hard for her because i think a lot of the other guys who were running were very well prepared to just prosecute her day after day after day. and it would have been a very different race. she got lucky this time frankly. >> dickerson: let's talk about
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the debates are over. the finish line is within sight and some states are already voting. where do you see the race right now? is it over? people are behaving like it's over? how do you feel? >> i feel like the surprises can happen. but i think we all agree that the trendlines suggest it will not work for mr. trump. you never know. and you've got to keep an open mind, and you have two weeks here. but i think it looks th difficult for him, and i think for the reasons that frank luntz really laid out. he has at the end of the day done a poor campaign. he has not talked enough about the perceived problems, the problems as they perceive them by the american people. he has talked much more and more impressively and more engagingly about his own issues with women, with the rigged media, with the
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doesn't make a good impression or leave a good taste. it should have been bigger than that. >> he goes the gettysburg to deliver a policy speech and the headlines that come out are "complaining about the rigged election." talking about suing women who are suing him falsely. this is the opposite of big. people are left with bad taste. he's not been able to ever stop being donald trump in that sense. that's the fatal flaw. >> what's striking about this is beginning. if you observe trump closely from 2015 or summer 2015 to the present, you would have predicted this exact course, but something like it. >> this is weirder than the exact course. >> but the general fact that trump has never been particularly interested in policy, never been particularly interested in talking about always premised his candidacy about the idea that he wasq unique force that through himself could make everything
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are maybe much more apparent than we would have thought they were. but that's always been there in the trump meth message. >> but he's had more than a year to learn how to be a passable candidate, not a really great one with a political gift, but an adequate one, and that hasn't happened, and i wasn't sure that would be so.?i i disagree with you a little bit in that i think he has some political talent, because he isolated important issues to the republican base that this political year, and we'll we'll -- they will have to be worked out by the republican party in coming years. >> i'm just saying that he doesn't have any of the discipline you would need to become president of the united states. even your relatively inexperienced candidates like eisenhower have 20 years of political experience in one way, shape or another. trump has none of them. >> except for writing checks, perhaps. >> dickerson: in our focus room, there was a lot of talk
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