[captioning made possiblby kcet public levision] tavis: good evening fromos angeles. i am tavis smiley. firs up, a conversatn about michaevick with nfl halof fame quarteraurn moon. last night on 60 minutes, michael vick tried t put his troubles behind him jt two daysfter returning to football with the philadelphia eags. warren moon out now with a new memoir abo his life and career calle never give up on your dream. also emmy nominated aor dylancdermott is stopping by. is finding scess in "dark blue." we are and you joined us. footba great warren moon and

actor dylan mcdermott coming up rightow. >> there are so my things th wal-mart is looking forward to doing, ke helping people live better. bu morsely we are looking forward to helping build stnger communities and nats.shp elationships. becau of your help, the best is yet to come. >> natioide insurance proudly suorts taffer smile. tavis and natioide insurance, working to impro intertional literacy. and by contrutions to your pbs station fm viewers like you. hank you. >> first day i walked into pson, and he slammedhat door, i knew the magnitude of

the decisions that i had made anthe poor judgment and what i allowed t happen to the animals. there is no y ofxplaining e hurt and the guilt that i felt. thatas the rean i cried so ny nights, and tt put it a into perspective. >> michael vicsunday night in an interview sunday nig on 60 mivents. i am pleasedo be joined by rren moon. in006 he became the first and to this poi thenly afric-american quarterback inducted t the nfl hall of fame. he covers the nfl with the seattle seahawks. how coul i mess that up. the n boois called "never gi up on your dream, my journey." thanks for havg me. >> whatid you make of what michael had say? how did he come across? >> i tught he came across

very well. he came across showing remorse. he apologizedor a lotf the different ings he did. that is wha people wanted to see. and then jamesrown aed the tough questions that pple wanted to hear thenswers, and i think he gave good answers. talked about how tough it sor him too to prison. i canmagine how tough that was for tell your young kids some of the things you he done. those things are tough >> remorseful. u thought he was. believable? >> the proof i in theudding. tht is going to come byime. people a talking about whether he was coachedr not? of cour he was coached. i get coached on what to tl the media after game and what your answersaybe should be. yes, he was coach. the proof going to be in the pudding, whethere goes out andoes the things he talked about, wheth he tries to make a difference as far as

dogghting is concerned, whether he keeps himself on the straight and narrow. and is he going too the thingse needs to do to be the st player he can be. >> before get to the play, and we will tk about whether orot he is ready after a few years of being out of theame. i wa in philadelphia the day that vick made the announcement i was there forome appearaes. i get off t plane, and it is on in phidelphia because vk has just givenis live conference of the i s in phy, and i love ply, but i was in the thick of it. and just watchin listening d reading the back and fth, and e fans. some fans -- iave been a life-long eles fan, and i am giving up my ticket. the dogs c't play again,hy should he? some are gad he is with the eales. i am in phily catching this. before we g to whether or not he can perform on the field,

how is he goingo deal with the reactn in the stands? i'm not tking about on the road am talking about in philadelphia, when they boo'd sant claus, when they boo'd kobe bryan how is he going handle it in philadelphia? >> i think he will andle it. as a quarterback first of all, you ha to have that tough skin and big shoders. i think he underands this uff is going to happen. the are going to be a few weeks where people's emotions are still going to be venting when he goes out on the field walks out of theunnel. but he can answer a lot of that the way he pla. as long ase plays well in philadelphia, they will start to give acceptance. on the road itay not happe as quickly. first of all, he ishe opponent when he goes out on an opponent'sield, they are not goingo like him anyway whether he killed a dog or not. but with ts type of baggage, they areoing to let him know abou it. they are going to harp at him and intimate him with those

rants and taunts. >> i think you think he does deserve another chae to play? >> i reall do. i think anybody who goes to pris and does what theare supposed too and comes out d lives their life th right y deserves a secd chance. that is what rehabilitation was all about. ifichael vick doesn't deserve second chance, tn what proner does that comes out of prison? you try to rehabilate people, and they don always do the greatesjob of that because a lot o criminals end of going back. but i don think michael strick is a criminal. i tnk he did somethinghat is very wrong, and he understands thatow. i don't tnk he will go back down tha path again. if he does something else, that is different. >> h much respect do you have for tony dungy for putting himself on the line this w? >> he rlly did, b he has been working wh ex-proners for a lg time as fars helping wh the rehabilitation

process angetting them acclimad back into society. thiss no differentxcept you are dealing wh a hh profile player. he iout there, and a lot of that respoibility is going to be put ohis shoulders if michl fails again. but that is the kd of person tony dungy is. >> he ishe first africaamerican head coach to win in the super bowl. i want to go to the book, and i want to start with parallel. thanklly you never got caught upn a dogghting stanley or anyting near like that in your career, but the were -- or there w a line that you had to walk asn african-amican quarterback, not bei accepted. >> right. >> here you are, you are the only player inhe canadian and nfl halls of fame and thenly black quarterback to ben our hall ofame. tell me aut the uglyide, the side of being a black quarteack back in youray? >> a lot of peoplet any time want to accept that the

africaamericans could ev play theosition. there werstereo tapes about it. i don't know if it was racism when it came to professional football, but i think in th minds of a lotf owner, general maners and a lot of coacheshat we couldn't play a position whereou had to lead, where you hato think, where you had to make quick decisions. it wasn't just the quarterba it was any position dowthe mdle of the field, the center,he guy who makes the calls on the line of scrimmage. midd linebacker was another spot, and sety. butuarterback was the the lastorizon. it was tough because i knew in my hrt that i could play the posion. i watchedyselfgainst dierent competition. could size myself up as whether i had what it took to be a quarterback, and i was always a prey good leader as young kid. a lot of that started fromy upbringing and my famy background because o my dad passing away wh i was seven. i was a very mature kid for my

ag and i know how to be mature, know how to think a make decisions and all the things that come along with being a qurterback. >> i know your mother h been a great mother, and yet i'm thinking aut the sport you play, foball,nd how soany guys who playootball, coach in it, coached into itecause of their father's dres. yothink ofayton andel, and thr father is archie. you have six sisters. who is guidingou? you don't have that fatr figure who help you in this footll figure? >> i had an uncle roy who was my biggest fatherigure at that age, he s my great uncle, and coaches inarks. that i one reason my mom got me involved i sports, was to get me around more black males an people who cook mentors,

and to have meround more boys as well because it was all women around my housell the time. those tendedo be my mentors and the guys i looked up to. my cches and my unc. >> i should manage, theride of hamilton high school. go yankees. >> there you go, rht here in l.a. that said, i sure guys wl get a kick outf this, the flip side of having thatather gure around, is the ritual your mother told you to engage in to keep yourself calm before games. she wanted to keep youelf ca. what did your mom suggest you do before every bigame, warr moon? >> sheaught me to cook at a young age and bak she tolde that i should bake cookies theight before my game to relaxe and get me ready to play. i got really iense, and i g into what i had to 0o the next day. thiselaxed me and got mind away from it. itntentionally turned into a cookie business. i had a chocolate chip cookie

busiss in canada, and had fivetores down here. it was very good suggestion by myom. >> you can still hk it up now? >> i can still hookt up now. >> you didn't bring m any? >> didn't bring any. >> i ought to kick you outf here for that. if warren mo comes backere, make hur he bring cooks. >> it will be more tn that. >>hat else have you got? >> iave got an oatme race inand a warren special. i ve peanututter, and i have a combination oatmeal chocolatehip too. >> now i'm gting hungry. when you heard th you were being inducted in the nfl hall of fame, what did that do, anything? i rember your career wl and watching you as a kid growi up. what did thato for all that you had to endure to g to that place as a black

quarterback? did questiing to the hall of fame take whatever animoty, sappointment or angst y miffed away? > you know? what it did was giva stampf approval on my career. the one thing that i didn't accomplish duringy football career in the nflas auper bowl. that wasomething that i had every opportunity toin, but we never got it tether and did it. t to make it into the pro football hall of fame, to be consided one of the best ever to play the game, consideng where evebody said ofe oming out of high schoolnd college,idn't want me tolay the positio it put the stamp of approval on it that i really had a greatareer. >> when you say never give up on yourream, what is e less? i belie there are lessons, which is why i love sports at their best. they underore for us every day people what w can do when we put our mind to it, prepare

and practiceor it. what is the lesso that we take from the lif and legacy of warren mn about never giving up? >> in young kids, i try and tell them to dream bignd make your goals high. i dreamedig when i was young kid. this staed when i was 7 or 8 years d in the fro yard at my hse in los angeles, emating who i thought i was going to be, whether it was roger staw bac or roman gaiel or james harris. i put myself in their uniform. that was my dam as a young kid. even though there were some tough times ang the w, a lot of adversity a twists and turns, i stayedocused and eventually accomplhed it. thats what this books all about. i tellids even though you may run io some adversity along the way, somebody might tell u no, you can't do this or hat. i'm a primexample ofomeone

o didn't come from a lot, went through aot of tough times in history,ut i still made it. >> i can guarantee this, and don't have to know him t ask this. michael vick, donovan mcnab, dante culpepper, ey will all love to winhe super bowl, b they would like to endp where warren is now, thefl hall of fame. his book is called never give up on yr dream my journey. glad to have you here. >> glad to beere. >> ckies next time. up next, actorylan mcdermott. stay with us. >> please welco dylan mcdermott to this prram, the emmy-nominated actor who starred for years on "e practice." he is back in prime te now in a new proje for tnt called "dark blue." the police dramas produced by some guy named jerry bruckheimer. and it airs wedsday nights at

10:00 p.m. here i acene. >> go back, ks his butt,ash hisar. get him trust you. >> waia minute, britt? >> who ihe? big-time diamond fce. >> criminals convert their millns into brillia prist even dinald. >> how does he ft into it? >> they grew up into the same neighborhood. did a lot of work together. >> why n cut off the middl business? >> because he is smart he oy does deals north f $2 million. >> what are we going t do, hit tiffany's? >> somhing like that. why "dark blue"? >> well, i guess iis the darker side of law enforcement. these guys basically are acting like criminals to catch criminals. it ia darkeride with undercover wk. >> tell m about theole you play? >> well,arter shaw,e are meeting him at th bottom of his life. this is a g who has done

police work for a ng time. th is a guy whose personal life is a mess. i think that all he lives for is h work. it is e only thing he knows. he sleep on theouch at the office a lotf the time. he is really goo at what he does. it is thonly thing he really kws. >>es tavis: you have don this a couple of things in prime time no is thelan to do things that are dieet trickally oosed in terms of character >> yes. that islways the fun part. the thing about bng on a succesul show is people get to know you. that is the good news and the d news. oncehey get though know you, they think they knowou, and they kind lock you in, you know what mean? tavis: right. >> i think wn i leftthe practice,"he real work began because then it is mjob to kind of change people's mind about . i certainly don't wanto play

that role again. its time to play a newole. but setimes in the oldays they wouldn't let u do that. u were trapped into aole, anthat was it. so i really is myob to mix it up asuch as i can, and i try to do things in films like wunder land. i changed my look. in "darklue," it is a chance for me t play a much darker chacter. at might bencomfortable for people, but hopefly they will catch up and say he has so many intricacies t him. tavis: couple of things i want to go back and unpack a ttle bit. one, when you sd in the old days they wouldn'let you do that, tell me what you mnt by that andhy that has changed? >> in 1997, i believe, television was a verclear line between television actors and movie actors. when "the practice" came to me, everyone said don't do it. you will beabeled a tv actor.

so i knew the merial was good. my instinct was huge on that, and i knew had to do it. so i ended up doi it. i fired eryone because i knew. that my i thk are instinct was right. somemes you get that instinct, and you don't want to listen to i tavis: i kno >> i knew at i was correct, and by the way the show w not successful when i came out. it took a good two ssons f ito catch on. vis: that is somethinglse. i knew in my heart that it was going tbe successful, and it did take time. i prod to be right. that doesn't aays happen. sometimes youo things, but that itict was really remarkable when i think about on it, becaus it was rlly n a te for a movie actor to go to television. now the lines are comletely blurre tavis:e laughed when you said u fired everybody. ll me your process for jucks

juxtaposing wha you believe is right for your career and being managed? jay leno was on a couple of nights a, and he doesn't he an agent or manager. >> how does heo that? tavis: butost folks in this busiss are managed or handle by somebody. there is this thing, ---o you trust yourwn instincts or listeno what they ar telling you? whats your process in that regard? >> reprentation is a huge part ofhis busines i have hadany agents. i have h many managers. and some have fallen by the wayside because they didn't line up with my vision of myself. you have to have a ver clear vision owho you are certnly. metimes you get lucky and you run into people thahave that sameision. but right now i hav tha

have a good team of people that i really believen. but really comes from you. i mean y have to decid what yowant and what you see in your career. if y are waitingor somebody to give you that, you are in big trouble, because they are not. it is li waiting for a directoro give you a performance. it doesn't happen. you have to come in th a performance, and the can guide you because there ar only a w crate directo left. tavis: i hr your pointhat you can't it for somebodyo give tt vision to you. guess the question is whether or not dylan mcdermott's vision of who he is cnges over time? >> yes -- tas: or does tt remain cons tabt? u know where you want to take this caree or has tha changed over your career >> yes. i think it has deepened over time. tavis: that is a good wd. >> when youirst startut, allou want to do is work. and then you realize you want to d the gat work because there is amall window ofhat is out there for a actor,

especially nowadays. there are less a less movies. networ stwigs in flux and trng to find its identy. cable right no is the place to be becauseou can have character. that's a great thingor an acr, to have charact, because so much of t time you don't get to have character. >> what is it aut cable -- it is a television on ostensibly. >> sure. tavis: what is it about the fact that cable alouse character? >>ell, because you can do a lot more. you n use language, sexuality , and there is violence tha u can get away with. it is a much more sitized version on televisio because of the advertisi. on cable you don't have to rry about that asuch because you areaying for it. >> you talkedarlier in the conversati about from rolto role changingour style,ook

and cnging who you are and hopinghat the audience catches up. >> rig. tavi do you find that your core fan base does that, or do ey have trouble accepting at? >> it always an eeriment. rtainly this is much more daer character. as i said before. and i like that. i dohis for me, right? i act for m ultimately. i'm noacting for anybdy in the world but for me because i love i th is the reason i began, and that's the reason i continue to do it. i dot rally have a calculated plan to move me to the ne level. i spond to material, and i responde to this becau i felt him somewhere. i felt this guy, feltis sorrow, if you would in the pilot he was just walking county the street. when i saw that, saw me in the role. if theaterial hits me, i don't care if one person sees

it or 10 mlion people. once i start dng it forther people a trying to create success thrgh that, i think at is when i will be unhappy. tavis: to your poi earlier abouthe lines being so blurred now betweenelevision and film. i asse that is a goodhing and tat you feel cfortable free-flowing back and for? or have you dided you know what i'm a tv guy a thiss whe i want to beow? >> no. i have made many filmshile i was onelevision. i have hadore sucss on televisi. yo don't know where that is goin to come from sometimes. it just comes for e, tv has been very good to m. so i have to kind of butter my bre there. when the mies come, it is great. tavis: if i got ts wrong, you tell me, and i will move on. >> ok. tas: i'm a fan of your work, and i thought you knew you relatively well. i don't know how i missed this. is it true that dylans not your diven name? >>ight.

>> tavis i say that because dylan mcdermott -- ian do like0 of these. i thk some peopl have the coest names. i love ahd rarbed. >> tha is a gat o. tavis: and dylan mcdertt works but i did not kw that was not your given nam >> yes. my step mother who became my adoptive mother. she was the greatest influence and still is the greatest influee in my life. she ok me as a 15-year-old boy and shaped me. she gave me bookso read, and she brought me to plays, and she taught mehilosophy. she just was thaterson, that one person iyour life that i so grateful to have. anyway, she was goingo have a child wh my d, and she miscarriedand they were going to ne the baby dylan i had to change myame because of sag. there was already a mk mcdermott i had to take a new nam and

there iwas, and i took the name. it is sort o beautiful inhe way it happened. it was vy organic, and i st of took over guess the spirit. tavis: a greattory, what a great name and what a great show, "darklue" on t. nice to have youn. >> thanks you. >> give my bt to your motr. that is our show for tight. catch me on p.r.i. you can access us on pbs.org. i will see you nt time on pbs. unl then, thanks for watching ankeep t faith. caioned by the natial captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> for morenformation on today's show, visitwice smile pbsrg. >> hi, i am tavis smiley, join me for a conrsation with smokey robinson, celebrang 50 years o music. that is next tim we ll see you then. >> there are soany things that wal-mart is lking

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