captioning sponsored by macneil/lehrer productns >> ifill: good eveni. m gwen ifill. a unning upset in the massachusetts senate race. >> brown: and m jeffrey brown. on the "newsur" tonight: with a republican winninthe seat long he by edward kennedy. we look at what scotbrown's victory means for president obama's agen. >> ifill: then, a powerful aftersck hits haiti as victims arstill being pulled from the bble. and doctors strugg to provide even basic care. >> ware running our operating rooms without elecicity, without oxygenwithout proper anthetics. >> brown: margaret warner ge the latest othe situation

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and with the ongoing supportf these institutns and fountions. an.. is program was made possible by the corporaon for publicroadcasting. and by contributions tyour pbs stion from viewers like you. thank u. >> ill: political shock waves rippled ouard from massachusetts today. the lossf a u.s. senate seat raised serious doubts abou democrs' plans to pass health care form and for the rest of president obama's agda asell. until only a few wks ago, this was the last thi anyone expected to see in bosn-- republican scott brown celebrating a special eltion victory. >> i bet ty can hear this cheering allhe way in washington, d.c.! applause )

>> ifill: brown's definitive victory overtate attorney general martha coaey left senate democra with 59 votes. at's one short of the super- majority the party's useto get key lls passed. and itnstantly raised questis about the fate of heal care reform legislation. brown campgned against the democrat health care bills. he argued ey would pose an fair burden on massachusetts which already has its own alth care system. thisorning, the senator-elect said what he opposes is shington's approach to healt care. >> i think it's importt for everyo to get some sort form of health care. so, to offer a basic plan fo everybody, ihink, is important. it's jusa question of whether wee going to raise taxes, we're going to cut hf a trillion from dicare, affect vetera' care. i think we can do itetter. >> ifill: republicans deared voters sent a clr message in yesterday-that democrats need tolow down. >> i'm convinc now that no gamesmansh will be played by the other side wh regard to futureotes in the senate

>> the american people hav spok. the people of masshusetts have spoken for the rt of america. stop thiprocess. sit down and open tranarent negotiions. let's begin again from the benning. >> ifillindeed, many senate democrats appear chastened by the brown victor which some predted would affect every 2010 race. senate mority leader harry reid sgested voters are as concerned about the econy as they are about health care >> first of all,e're not going to rush into anything. as you've heard, we're goi to wait until the new senor arrives before we do anying more on health care. remember, the bill we ssed in the senate is good for aear. there armany different things we can do to move forwd on heal care. we're not making any othose decisions now. >> ifill: demoat paul kirk, who was appointed to fill e seateft open by senator kennedy's death lastear, also says his par should not miss e message sent by bay state

ters. >> there were a lot of tngs at play imassachusetts. not justational health reform. but every eltion is an educatiofor the constituents and the voters, anan education for the caidates as well. d i think those who watched the masshusetts election should learn some things fm it as well. ifill: but even as senate democrats appeared tregroup, house speaker nancy pelosi sd she plans to ph ahead on health care. >> as i sa health care, again, heeding the particularoncerns of the voters of massachetts st night, we heard, we will heed, we will move forrd with their considerations in nd, but we will move forrd... >> ifill: several resc options have beefloated on capitol hill. one uld have the house adopt the senate-passed billith no changes. another would be to offea stripped-down version of t compromise bil which would

requironly 51 votes to pass. that is now under consideratio athe white house. in an interview with a.b.c news, president obama suggesd his party shou now proceed refully. >> here is my sessment of not just the ve in massachusetts but the moodround the country. the same thing tt swept scott brn into office swept me into office. people a angry and they are frustrated. >> ifill: the election rests must be certified by the massachusetts cretary of state,nd then approved by the governor. that process could te two week but brown said he hopes they expedite the parwork, and he pla to make courtesy calls in washington thursday. >> since the election isot in doub i am hopeful that the senate will seat me onhe basis those unofficial returns. ifill: the shakeup in the senate also leavesuestion rks over the rest of the president's agenda--rom climate chan to financial regulation. >> ifill: one senate re wi so many implications. hereo help us sort through them all are jennifer nassr, chair the massachusetts

repuican party. y walter, editor-in-chief of the hotline, "national urnal's" political daily. and ceci connolly, national health poly reporter for "the washington pt." jennifer nasur, we just heard the president say pele are angry the same way that swept him into office is what swt scott brown into office. that right? >> peoplere angry. i mean, if you just look he in massachusettat our voters, th have been through three indicted speakers. they have seenhree state senatorsho have resigned in sgrace, and we just increased sales tax over the summer. e democrats in the house and senate decided right now ia great time to increase our ses ta by5% during a recession. so peoe are very frustrated. jobs are leaving massausetts. e economy isn't growing. the housing mark is still not goinanywhere so people are very frustrated. >> ifill: yet, republicansre not ev close to a majority in the ssachusetts electorate so

how did scott brown pullt off? >> well, his message iwhat resonated with vers. he talked about terror. talked about taxes. he tked about spending. he tald about jobs. those are all thingsn everyone's mind right now. if you look athat happened on december 25, right there nationalecurity is very important to people,ust as much as taxeand the economy e. ifill: is it possible massachusetts is not as blues we all thought >> i don't think it's as blue. 51or the% of our electorate is actually unenroll ich would means they're indendent. ey don't affiliate with eith party. that's wt took scott, reblicans and democrats that voted for him. >> ifill: amy walter let talk about the dependents. we'vseen them have an outcome in new jersey, vginia, and in maachusetts. >> and they broke most exactly the me way in three very differen stes. now , massacsetts may not be as blue as we once thought buit's certainly a t bluer than virgia, and, yet, virginia

independents gave the gubernatorial candate about 66% of theote. e last polls we saw and hear abt in massachusetts scott brown was getting about at same percentagof independents massachusetts. d in new jersey, you had a republican candidate who t about 60% of iependent voters. member, in massachusetts in 2008, president ama got 57% of the independent voters. it looked like they comptely flipped. now, to be fr, these aren't exactly the same voters. i'm re there are a lot of people who showeup in this election who didn't ow up in 2008, peop who showed up in 2008 stayed ho but i think the anger ing is really and i think it goes yond scandal and alth care. i think there's a fuamental question about the ft that folks aren't taking seriousl what independentwere saying in 2008 >> ifi : today at the white house ws briefing he kept using term requested wake-up ll over and over again pup s what the president said. you saw whatarry reid said. is it wake-up call about the

entire obamagenda or specific issues. >> i think it's the way ey are goin about e agenda. a focus grou they all said the same thing, we know the econy is exad we don't think prident obama is going to solve it in a year or o years. the one ing that we know we want to see is a change washington, a ange the way they do things in washinon. if he tus out to be one of the olitics as usual" kind of politicians, we're gng to turn away fm him. and that's exaly what happened i thk they are frustrated by the fact that they'veeen duped thought they we voting for something in008 and find not onlyre thgs still the same old-same oldickering in washgton but seems to have gotten worse. >> ifill: and perhs focused on thwronthing. ceciverybody wants to know will hpen with health care

reform. as of night, where does that sand? >> well, gwen, the resultsn massachusetts e a real blow to the prpects r health care reform legislation, and think i would deribe the blow as somewhere betwn debilitating and fatal, tbe honest. here ware exactly one year from obama being sworin, and we knew om one year ago that time was going to be the emy of health careeform, and in caseemocrats had forgotten that, alex capatzia put out a memo saying to replicans we can kill this by delay. and th is exactly what happened. th sort of ran the clock out. they went all the way upo christmas ev and still didn't complete work. and i think in some spects, what amy is talking about,t's an electate that looks and says, "you spent a whole yeaon this and you guys controlled the house and the nate and the ite house, you couldn't pull

it off." ifill: was this unhappiness unique with this hlth care or at people perceive this health care plato be? was it unie to massachusetts or something catchi fire arnd the country? >> ihink what we've seen consistently this year in e polling data ithat people are uncertain and they're anxis about what wou happen to health care in ts country, pecially the 180 million ericans who have health insurance. th say, "look,iont like it. it's too eensive. i want some things fixed. i sh other people had, too." but at core people are sing don't ss with what i've got. feel so fragile right now, i'm so anxus about so many other things, and that unctainty has sort ofueled the frustration thate see. >> ifill: fact, jennifer ssour, in massachusetts, wha they'vgot is a health care plan tha98% of citizens are required to ke part in. so that was part oit? did voters imassachusetts say, "hey, i've got it alrey. iont really ne to buy into a nation plan?" that's definitely part of i

we have it here. we know hoit works. our spending is a little b out of control. we dinitely need better managersbut, i me i think that senor brown said it rfectly, we have it here in massachusetts. every state should havthe option wheth they want to bu into health care or not. but we do want qlity and accessible health care for eryone like we do here in massachusetts. >> ifill: how much did out-of-state activis-- scott brn in the last weeks of the mpaign which it lolled he ha a chce was embraced by the so-called tea partmovement, other ople who came into massachusetts to work his behalf and raise money. how ch does dthat affect the outcome? >> we don'- we don't know who the key party activistare, and i think there e probably just a group of aivists that has a label on them, but met people from different couries that were here make phone calls and to knock on dos, to people from across thcountry, as far asashington state that came to bost to help o.

i think it was just differen people. >> ifilldid you say different cotries, really? >> yes, we h-- i met a young man st night who came from australia. i t another man who came from london. i met another two gelemen that came from montreal. soeople were here from all ov the place. and actually, terestingly enou, the men that were here from montreal came becse they were so against the u. buying into any sort of healtcare plan right now, and they saiif you want to see socialed medicine, comeo canada. and so they we here wanting to see thhistory being made in massachusetts. >>fill: soccer, amy, what does is tell us about political aftershocks in 201 i heard baara boxer say there's not a race that won'be affected by th. >> this is absutely the case. fit, there's not a race that won't be aected in terms of fund-raising. and the outsidmoney definitely was an issue ithis race, gwen, but i think wamore important when you saw how much money scotbrown raised once the alarm was sent thathis was actually going to be a clo race. in one day he rais over $1 million.

thatas considered a big deal, and he kepraising $1 million a day, and anoth million dollars online, and this used to be e purvw, we thought, of liberal democratic activists thisas obama folks raising this kind of money and nowe're seeing republicans can do thi too. recruitment ry important right now. the senate's almt done. the use, still we have a long way to go. i think if you are at all the fence as republican, you're interested in getting in. if y're a democrat, who is ill on the fence, may not wa to. i'm lookg particularly at delaware, for example,here bowill be biden, the sonf vice president den, is considered a likely candidate for tha seat thatill be open in 2010. >> ifill: like martha coaky-- >>f course, a blue state! a great last name. >> ifill: is there a effort ing on tonight after the fir day of shell shock, ce? the president seemed to hi that thereas something that was being cobbled tother

to salvage health care? >> interestology that abc interview today , kben, the prident used terms like let's coalesce around co elements sglaeneaning? >> sompeople reading tea leaves are thinking a much me modest, smaller, incrental approa to health care, and that's very much on the ble as an option right now, a much smaller approach. the difficult that in health care is kind of like one of those balloons, ifou do something one side, you can see more problems pop up or on the her side. sot's not that simple of saying let's just take iurance market reform, for instance or malpractice form or expabd mecaid. we just done or two little things because that will exacerbate other problem i think everyone, as you sd, is so shellshoed today they're not thinng through some of the very complex policy issues at stake here. and, frankly, the other is t psyche on capitol hill. that is a placwhere everybody

rt of gets under that dome , as you know well, and there's a certain psyche thacan take hold . anwe're really going to see if the democrats are so spooked by this tt they just say i just can't stomach it. >> at the same time, theknow if they don'pass something, just as you said earlier--h, my gosyou spent a year doing this and you have nothg to show for it-- how can th pivot on to economy and jobs and show e voters they can accomplish something. >> ifill: jenniferassour, amy walt, ceci connolly, thank you all very much. >> brown: anstill to come on the "newshour"new tremors rock hai; new fees for reading the news oine and nescanners raise a "privacy vsus security" debate iairports. >> ifill: but first, forhe other news othe day. here's hari sreenivasan in our newsroom. >> sreenivasan: walltreet took a hit today as china annnced tighter ruleon bank lending. the news raisefears the worldwide recovery might be slowed. the dow joneindustrial average lost 122 pois to close at 10,603.

the nasdaq fell 29oints to close at 2,291. the nation's intelligee chief acknowledged today he made mistakes leading up to the airliner bombinglot. dennis blair concede that once the planlanded in detroit, the suspect-- umar farouk abdulmutallab-- ould have been treated as a terror suspect anduestioned by speal interrogators. blair also said should have en more aggressive about adng names to the "no-fly" list, stead of focusing on colaints about the list. >> shamen us for giving into th pressure. we've now greay expanded the noly list from what it was on cember 24th and have done a lomore of what is prudent which to put names on it just case and then take them off as we needo, but the pressure was ite the other direction. >> sreenivasan: a separate hearing, republican setor jeff sessions chargedhe decision to treat abdulmutlab as a conventional criminal was a costly mtake. >> one of the things we leard

from the/11 commission is intelligce is what saves lives -- intellince. anwe need to gather intelligence. th's not the motive of the criminal justiceystem genelly in america. it's tprosecute criminals. >> sreenivasan: f.b.i. dector bert mueller said the decisi to aest the nigerian suspect was thright move. said the f.b.i. needed to know iediately if other thres were out there. president obama's nomie to lead the transpoation security administtion has withdrawn. erroll southers a top official with the loangeles policeepartment. but he said today opnents had politicid his career. republican sator jim demint d blocked action on southers over concerns he wouldrant collective bargaining rights to t.a. employees. the suspect in aass killing in virginiaurned himself in early today, after an all-night manht. chstopher speight allegedly gunned down eight people o tuesday,hen fired at a police helicopter as he ran int the woods hide. the scene unfolded just outse

appomaox, virginia. police fnd three bodies inside spits home, and four outside. an eighth victim was found barely ave near the house, but di later at a hospital. state poli said today they're still looking for a motive a a weapon. >> we are in process of searching for high pered rifle based on invtigation into the shotthat were fired and struck the helicoer tuesday afternoo he wald out of the woods and did not have a weapon inis possession and turnehimself in swat team members assigned thatarticular locati. >> sreenivasan: lice and bomb teams searchedpeight's home day fearing it might be rigged with explosives. in niger, soldiers patrolled city in the central part of the country today ter religious violence thahas claimed more than 200 lives. clashes between christia and slims broke out sunday in jo witnesses described rioters attacking passers-by a security forces with knives d guns. buildings and vehiclesere also set on fire. there were conflictingccounts as to wh caused the trouble.

a powerful storm barreleacross southe california today and rced mandatory evacuations t escape mudslides and foding. it was the third big stormn recent days, and forecasters saidt could dump one and a- half inches of rain an hr. communits northeast of los angeles were threated. untain areas there were burn bare by a wildfireast summer. today, los angeles cnty sherifs deputies went door-to- door orderinresidents to leave about 600 homes. the viinia couple known as the white use gate crashers have balked at lking to a congressional committe at a house hearing today, tareq and michle salahi invoked theiright agait self-incrimination, andeclined tonswer questions. a federal grand jury is vestigating how the pair got past secret service checkpois at ahite house state dinner last november without invitions. members a house committee tried in vain today to she light what happened. >> you dress the part with the intent of attending a stat dinner. you did noreceive an official invite, your bacrounds were not chked, your names did not

appearn a guest list, and your requt for an invitation from mielle jones was denied and reffed. can u tell me what more did you ne to know you were not vited? >> on the advice of unsel, i respectfully reservey right to remain silent and decle to answer your question. >> sreivasan: the salahi's did say they'd be lling to testify later, once the iminal investigation is over the ite house social secretary, desir rogers, was in chae of the state dinner. administration officials he refused to leter appear before thcommittee. those are somef the day's maintories. i' be back at the end of the program with a previ of what you'll fd tonight on the ewshour's" web site. but for now, bacto jeff. brown: and we turn to e continuing devastation in haiti-- hit toy by one of thetrongest aftershocks yet -- magnide 5.9. it brought new tror among thousands of hungry,omeless survors of last week's earthqua. have a pair of reports on t situation today, fm "independent television news

beginning with sarahmith. a warning-- me of the images are sturbing. >>eporter: flames are consuming what's left of t chur of the perpetual. what wasn't destroyed by t earthquakend aftershocks will be takeny arson. ( crying the violent aftershock adawn terrifiepeople who were already traumatized. it felt like another lge quake. >> it was likehe first one. >> reporter: and that must me pele very afraid. >> yes, they was, theyas very afraid. my mom cried, because e think it wl be the same thing like the first time, very afrai >> reporter: thousands of ople are living on the reets because they have to, theyave no whe else to go. but others chose to sleeout here. some of the houses are sll standing, so w are people still sleeping in the stres? >> so, ty fear. they are very scared now.

every time there is thshaking, they are very, very, very scared. >> reporter: most ople say they have no idea wherto find the aid at is now getting to partof the city. e million rations delivered the lasteek, but three million people need food a water daily. >> you can tell from the lter ound here that some food aid is getting tough. this wrapper froa humanitarian day ration says it's a food ft from the people of the united stes of america. but getting this through oe isn't enough, the people here need tbe fed every day, and they're going to need for a very long time to come. when wer does arrive, it can cause aos. desperate pele try to grab what ty can, even grabbing it fromach other. the we, the thirsty. how careful do youave to be, are the problems handing out aid? >> our teams gin, they try to

sensitize e community, and basically lethem know we can't distribu to everyone at one time, that the aessment's on going. distributions ll happen over time. ( scaming ) >> ifill: weapons are appearg on t street, too. fights breaking t over the meager suppls. and the threat omore serious violence hangs in air. by night, portu-prince is a frightening vision. pele with no where to go walk wn dark streets past the burning remas of their ruined city. then, out of t darkness walks a miracle. she closely followed by her other, moses. triuhantly rescued after a weekrapped within their family use. well over 0 people have been pulled from the wrecka alive, and the may be more. buit's now believed well over 100,0 people have perished.

>>fill: next, jon snow of "indendent television news" reporton the suffering among the seriously injurein port- au-pnce. again, some of t images are tough toook at. >>eporter: security here at the geral hospital is not the issu- amputation is. in the aftermath of todas aftershock, many paties are still quarred in the hospital courtyard. the delay getting them inde, anywhere, is costing them limbs and lives. you need more surgeons? >> more orthoped. >> repter: how long will you have to wait for that? >> we're tryinto open more operating roomover here, but no x-ray machine >> reporter: what you need? >> x-ray. >> reporter: dr.ven lyon is hererom harvard. he's worked hereefore. >>e are running our operating rooms without ectricity, without oxygen, without prop anesthetics. and stding in front of me are hundreds of people whoe had compound open fractures.

>> reporte do you just have to feel your way in the fracte, feel out what it is? >> uh, yeah. have to, to be honest, the bigger problem is infectio the bones may al, they may not heal. we've done my, many putations. we're losing people whare losing limbs. reporter: is gangrene a oblem? or not yet? >> no, it's been a proem for five days now. it sets in right away. reporter: the wards deemed safe after the earthquakare crammed with amputees. n, women, children. people who lives on the edge will be forever reered more challenging. amputaons are carried t, barely off the wd. limid anesthetic, and no pain killer headphes and music are her only comfort. ross town, the well-run chilen's hospital is battling with much tinier amputees. a boy, each sidef the room, with legs ken off below the

knee. one of them, vy sick indeed. and o girls, similarly maimed. adaliene josh, whose mother died in the rule under which she herself s pinned for half an hour. >> browninternational efforts to relieve the sufferingn haiti wereoosted today. the u.s. navhospital ship "cfort" arrived off port-au- prince with 550 medil staff on board. and the first patients wer transferreby helicopter for treatmt. in washington, secretary of state hilly clinton said she's not tisfied with how fast things are moving,ut understas the difficulties. there were so ny challenges th had to be addressed all at once. the otr way of looking at it is that it'seally remarkable how much we've gotten do. >> ifill: >>fill: for more, margaret warnerpoke a short time ago with jason beaien of "national

public rio." he is port-au-prince.áa- asoneaubien, welcome, thank you for bng with us. tell us, first, about wh this latest, ggest tershock felt likehis morning? >> thione really jolted. this is e most powerful aftershock we've had sincehe quaklast week. it jold the city awake. i went out on thstreets right after that. many were sleeping on the streetand i talked to people sleepingn the pavement and they were saying they were praying to god tt this was not going be a quake like the one that hitere last week. founately, it wasn't. we were expecting more dame, possibly more buildings have fall o people. in terms omy reporting, going out and talking to pple, did not fi any more buildingthat had ll own people. the were some landslides. there were some t of debris that had fallen ov but overall it seed they get through this okay and there wast that much extra damagerom this

afrshock this morning. >> warne what is the latest, from what yove been able to see, abouthe pace of delivery? secretary clinton id today, "every day is better,"he said, "today is beer than yesterda" is it? >> reporter: today is certnly better than sterday, but in rms of the amount of aid that's actually getting out, it's still not rehing all the people that need i the hundreds of ousands of people that are desperate in need of food a clean water and elter. i went out and say the operation that the 82nd rborne is doing onhe golf course and today it really hit its stride. yesterda they had a bunch ofs problems. th ran out of food. they had a mass of about 20,0 people just storming up the hl and it turned to, you know, alst a fiasco yesterday. today, thehad the helicopters coming in-- seahawks, thnavy staleion helicopters coming in. boom, th were landing on the ground. they we unloading fast. another helicopter was cominin

right behind i the food was movg out, the water s moving out. they had 50 people a minute moving thrgh these lines, 50 people a minute getti packages of food, two boles of water each, and in tms of the city right no this is the most impressiveid operation i have seen in tes of getting food into the handsf people who needt, and today it really hit its stride for theirst time. >> warner: what is the surity situation like in the city? you had a dramatic pce yesterday about tnessing the oting of the main commercial district? what'st like now? >> you're getting sporadic looting. it's happening in different parts at dferent times. th morning, it really ramped up down in the commeial districts. i saw a supermarket that w getting looted. there was a ge crowd, probably a couple of hundred peop. th were climbing over-- the building that i woulbe terrifieto even step on, and they were climng in through thceiling, into this supermarket, andulling out whateverhey could-- food, beer

plastic chairs-- and coming out into the streets and fighting over it. it's really chaotic. i talked to people dowthere and they're very uppro. "we n't have anything, and we're going to go to these shops and get it, exts even go into buildings tt are incredly dangerous and attempt to get food, get waterget what they nee obviously, tre are criminal elements as well that wod like to steal evething they could, bit many people volved in this are simply doing it ouof desperation. >> warr: now, we've heard ports, includinging yo n, of people fleeing rt-au-prince and ing out into the untryside. how expensive is that and ur own travelfrom the dominican republic to e city. you've seethe countryside. what are they likely to nd once they geout there? reporter : quite frankly,s soon as you get out of port-au-prince headi to the dominicarepublic, things are fairly stable and fairly nmal. the queson is whether the haitian countryside can suppt ndreds of thousands of peopl from the capital fleeiut into these ars. ceainly, there's not the

infrtructure to do that. certainly, there's not t food and the war and the basic pplies people need out there that's going to a question. it'seally hard to gage, quite frankly, how many pele are fleeg the city. i was downt the bus station, and ny people were trying to get on bus, trying to get out, but in terms of numbers 's real, really difficult to say. >> warner: finay, briefly, how e ordinary haitians getting information? you ntioned-- one of your pieces mention rumors. is it rumor or is there some ganized way to radio or someing else to get reliable information people? reporter: communication remains a hugeroblem. you know, there's no newspers. some of the rao stations are futioning. people are getting iormation through at. however, many people don't he radi. many people are simplyleeping out on t streets and they don't have accs even to radios so rors are flying around. it certainly one of the ways that information is spreing, but, clearlyit's not the best.

it's huge problem in terms of the inrmation that's being moved out to the peoe. by t same token, we're not hearing much frothe haitian governme, fr president preval owhat theay forward is he. so thas a big question, and it's something peoplare not geanything solid information abou >> warner: requeed bow of npr, thank you so much. >> reporter: y're welcome, marget. >> brown: now, will consums pay fonews online? with the internet explodinwith free ctent, the entire media world struggling to find ways to support ielf financially in the futu. nowhere ishat issue more urgenthan for newspapers, which have seen huge dro in rculation and advertising revenues. toda the "new york times," wi by far the most popular newspar web site, announced that beginning in 2011 it ll charge frequent reads for accesso the site. the papewould use a metered

system, allowing visitors read a given numr of articles each mth for free. d then requiring a fee for unrestricted aess. subscribers to the paper's print edion would continue to have full access to the w site. an earlier attem by the times to get readers to y for some online content was calleoff in 2007. and the new mo is, by all accounts, a risky one th will be much wahed throughout the media rld. we take r own look now with bill mchell of the "poynter institute", a scho for journalists in frida, where he focus on new economic models for news. d bill grueskin, dean of academic affairs athe academic affai at the columbia graduate schooof journalism, and rmer managing editor of the "wall street jrnal online", t largest sucription news sites on the web. bill mitchell, before aw get to whether it's a gd idea, fill in the picture he a bit on theechanics of how this would work. what's the keyiece to this? >>he key piece, jeff, is as

you pointed out, is it's reay a tered system. readers ll still be able to, if ty come to the "times" site fr google or elsewhere, be abe to reaa certain number of ticles for month. the "times" has not dicated whathat number will be yet. buta some poin a wall will go up, and threader will be informed to read addional articles, you're goi to have to pay a fee. >> brown: bill gruesn , to fill in theontext a bit more, how big a problem is this r the "times and other pars to solve? what's the re now of the internet for newspaps in terms of their finans? >> this is really the prlem facing media rightow. they've seen their onle relationship and onle audiences growing dramicly, but they haven'teen the kind ofevenue from online growing at the same rate. a few ars ago during the yday of online advertising, media executes would say online ads are gng to grow in terms of revenue5%, to 30% a

year on ad iinitum but that dn't happen. onli advertising is in decrat trouble right now. it's notroviding anywhere near thkind of suort for big news organizations likehe name. -- "new york times". the are not that many other ways to raise money other th advertising or rculation. >> bwn: so bill mitchell there was a lively debatwithin the "timesas there habeen at otr places whether to do something like ts. what's thergument for it? what'she hope that they can get out of ts? i don't think you'll fine anyone at the "tes" who would arguthat they've got this rely figured out yet, but i ink it's an experiment that has to be taken. ani think the idea of seeing what pple will pay for, if sufficient value can be addeto thcontent online, is really somethinthat's got to be ied. brown: what does that mean- i'm sorry-- what does at mean "sufficient value being ded?" >>iont people are sily going to pay tomorrow for ne that is

available today free. just as i don't pay fothe nepaper that shows up in my driveway. i'm not ally paying so much for the news itself as am paying for the connience of that divery, the experience of holding the news and the newsprint. think the "times" really fac a significant chlenge in figuring outhat the digital eqvalent to those kind of convennces and user experiences are in the oine edition. >> brown: bill grukin, what's the sk? you were involveed in this at the wall street jornol. it different here the clearest risk and the o keing the "new york times" from doing this earlier they may dimish their huge online audience by a ir number of readers becauspeople, when they hit a wall, wiljust go somewhere else for tir news. e "new york times" has a tou argument to ke here. what do u tell your customers-- thisroduct we've en giving you for 15 years f free, now wee going to start arging you for.

there's a moral argument fort, bumoral arguments work better in crches and synagogues tha they din commercial enrprises. >> bwn: what's the moral argument? e moral argument is we provi a civic rvice. werovide the kind of accountability journalivy in washgton and in all the mea in n york city and around the world that is requir to make this democracy functio and the current economic model isn supporting that vic service so you , the readers, need to support it. >> brown: you're suggeing that's a tou argument to make for people who have had fr access online for years. >> exactly, exactly. i ink the other thing going on here, because the way they structuredhis deal, they ar't really anticipating that much revenue from online subscriptions. what they're really trying tdo protect the print product becausat the end of the day it's therint newspaper that generates most of the venue fothe "new york times" as it does for aost every other wspaper in the united states and around the wor.

>>rown: bill mitchell what, do u make of both the moral arment and more important probably, e expectation , the mindset at so many of vus that can go online for free. >> i think bill mas a very good poi. they're not gog to be able to make a moral argumen successfully onle. this is not a matter of wh readers or users should or shouldn't pay for. they're going to pay f news online only if ty find it to be worth their money. i think when you look at what's happening with t "times" in prin they've got more than 0,000 readers paying as much as769 a year to get the paper delivered. so i think the calculationas to be what can they add to their line news that will encourage enough of thatnline audience to begin payg. >> brown: and st staying with you, bl mitchell. on t plus side would be the "new york times" itself, t brand, the hisry, the quality at they've offered to people >>f course.

as bill pointed out, onlin advertising simp is not going toustain the quality of jonalism that t times-- that the readers have come toxpect from the "mes." they rlly need to find ltiple revenue streams. and i uld expect that this form of online payment wl be st one of many things that will erge overhe next year. i think the "times" was smar actually, to givthemselves a year to work on th because it's gng to be a very complicated problem. >> brown: bill gruesn, broaden it out bit for us. whato we know so far about what consumers and wilwill not pay for? what other things are pars doing? >> well, what you see righnow among a the of publishers, both the magaze and newspaper industry, a hope and expect thagz other devices, whether 's the amazon kindle, whethe it's the tabloid that apple is supposed to be coming out th later this mon, whether it's blackberrys and iphones,sing

other devices to accs their content will provide wayof generatingore subscription venue. i think most publiers have come to the nclusion it's very hard to generate lot of subscrtion revenue way web site that's basically on a p.. people have be trained now since the early 1990s that if it's on e p.c., you really n't have to pay for it. >> brown: bi mitchell what, do you see in terms of othe experimes or other attempts to lure in readers paying? >> well, one tt's coming soon is a -- an opti to enable readers simp to contribute to newsrganizations. it's a vuntary yment system. i think we'lsee more of that , probably nott a paper like the "new york mes", but at smaller ne organizations around the country. the "miami hald" now on the bottom of each storynclude both an invitation to bscribe to the paper in prinand an invitation to donate for good journalism at the "hald".

>> brown: and bill mitell, staying with you, thother side of this is advtising. when do we knoabout how advertisers feel aut these kind of paid-f subscriptions? >> it's a very risky calculation. thcritical challenge the "times" faces is not chang away so many oits online readerthat it really dinishes the number of eyeballs it can deliver advertisers. on the other hand, advertise appreciate the intensity of relationship tt's reflected by people who areaying to actual read the news and are sting commit to the newspaper. >> brown: gu do you want to weigin on that one finally? >>ne of the things we found at the wall street journal" onlinewhich had a subscription modeindicating back to 1996, i lieve, is that advertisers i many wayvalued the online journal's audience morbecause it was a subription site. they knew exactly the nds of reer whorpz seeing their ads. they canarget their ads better to the readers.

and ultimately, that one of the great promisesf the ternet-- the ability to not ju amass large audiences but rget specific content and advertising for smaller niche audiences. in so far it can help the "n york times" with that,t could be a benefit on the vertising side that coulmore than make up for the drop in traffic. >> brown: thanks f helping us walk through this 37 two bil, bill mchell and bill grueskin. thank yoboth very much. >> ifill: nally tonight, the latest on efforts to ramup air safetyhrough new technology. at a homeld security hearing today, secretary janet napolitano told nators she believes n screening techniques are a key pt of a larger stragy to stop terroris >> oe you've identified a problem, you've got to f it. but we also needo be thinking ahead to be proactive. that's why, for example, wve entered into this agreent to really get some the best scientists in the world whare

in our national labs thinkin well ahead about the nex generation of screening technolo and what it can show us. >> ifill: ray suarez haseen looking into some of the lest technology being rold out in the nation's airrts. here's his report. >> suaz: it's been almost a month since umar farouk dul- mutallab alleged tried to blow up northwest fligh253. sie then, the debate over how keep the ying public safe has intensifd, and a chief fos has been the use of so- called "body snners." >> we currently have 40 chines suarez: top security officialhave sped up deployment of thscanners. currently, the are only 40 machines in 19 of the 0 commercial airports in t united states th follow t.s.a. security procedures. 450 more will come onlinthis year to screen passeers for items concealed under layersf clothing. 350 of those were orderewith recently allocated fds.

the machines cost upwas of $150,000. t there are concerns from those who claim that t health d privacy of travelers would be at risk. there are two kinds of macnes. the first, mlimeter wave, is a booth that uses harmle electromagnetic was to create a three dimensional image. the other kind, a backatter maine, takes a double x-ray to create a two-sided image dr. hadevappa mahesh, chief physicist at johns hopkins universityospital, showed us how they work. he said the radiion levels, espeally with the backscatter chine, are not high. >> the radiationose levels are ite low. when i say qui low, let's give a comparison witthe respiratory medil chest x-ray, let'say. compared to a medical chesx- ra a typical backscatter, you needo acquire or go through the scanners nearly 000 to 2,000 times fore the dose reaches to a typical chest x ray.

>> srez: all in all, mahesh believ the body scanners are safe, but thateople in high risk groups-- li pregnant women and children--hould have the option n to use them. >> what i normal suggest is we have a coue of airports in the u.s., which havenstalled both of these technolies and right now, they are givi public an option to go through these things a not go thugh these things. suarez: even if the federal aviation administration isble to convince travelerthat the machines are safe, tre is still the privacy concer the american civil liberties union has called the use o scanners a "virtual stp search." mark renberg, executive director of the electron privacy information nter in washington, sa privacy is being compmised for a machine that doesn't even dect all harmfumaterials. >> if yolook at the specs, you see referee to explosives and weaps but not to powders. and that's significant becse p.e.n. is a powder, it's what

abdulmallab tried to use on 12/25. it's wharichard reid, the shoe bomber, ied to use previously. and it's vy hard to detect. it's not obvious tt these devices would have fou it. >> suare but mahesh argues the steps taken ensure privacy-- like blurring faces-- rder people anonymous >> what haens is, like, the person who is asng the public to scan is n there next to the scanne he's there remotely. so, there's lesshances of somebody seeg a supermel xt to the scanner, and next eing their image and trying sell it ofto "the national enquirer" and all of tho things, at has been the concern of the public,ut to avoid thosthings. >> suare for rotenberg, that is just not good enough. >> i thi the t.s.a. has been very misleadg on this point. in fact, they're gng to detect prosthetics,astectomy scars, they're going to detect x change operation adult incontinence ose are the types of images that will available to th t.s.a. operators.

>> suarez: at baimore washington internaonal airport rently, many of the passengers we spoke witseemed comfortable being scanne >> no, particular concer, as long as ey don't damage me, right, there not harmful health-we, then that's fine. >> if the technogy is there that they're lking for bombs or secured, unsecured instruments that people can rt myself oany other passenger, then deal with ior drive! >> suaz: but at chicago's o'hare airrt just days aft thfoiled christmas bombing, some saithe government should doing more to uncover terro plots instead of botheri incent people. >> i feelike they're not doing... the governments a not ing a really great job at th frt end, finding people who real are trying to do something to other people. whereas all the rest of usre ju going to visit friends and ing to visit family. we'rnot doing anything. it's so invasive, ssibly to the point of unconstitutnal. >> suarez: former homeland curity chief michael chertof - who is a consultant for e

company thatanufactures body scanners says that given the capability and ient of terrorts, we may have to trade some privacy f security. >> n you have to ask yourself this question. once we havehe privacy protections inlace, are you prepared to accept a cerin amount of discomrt in looking at what may u have concealed on youbody, in return for knowing that you'rnot going to have a plane detonating inid- r. and i think i knowspeaking for myself, and mo people i've spok to would rather get to their destinion safely even if it means adjusti their privacy expectatns. >> suarez: when all said and done, uld body scanning machines have prevented th christmas day attack? chertoff thinks so. >> are they perfec no. but do they take us very muc further down the road security agast this kind of device? the answer to that is ye >> suare during the last debate over body imang, the opponentwon the argument.

after the chrimas day bomb attempt, even controversies continue, americans caexpect to seeore body scanners when theyly. >> brown: agn, the major developmentsf the day: prident obama and democrats the u.s. senate race in massachusetts raised sious doubts aboutemocrats' ability to ps health care reform. the "newshour"s always online. hari sreenivan, in our newsroom, eviews what's there. >> sreenivasan: more on hothe massachusetts senate electn results affect the balce of power on citol hill. we put that question a others to chrisillizza of "the washington post." dae chinni of the "patchwork nation" offers anoth take on scott brown'victory. he says it maybe morabout a longer term trend th just about parties. an updaton executive bonuses and how big nks are reacting to proposals f new taxes that mes from "wall street journa columnist deis berman. and on "t beat," it's your turn task the questions to the head of thnational endowment for the artsrocco landesmann. all that and more is on our b

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