tavis: good evening. from los angeles, i am tavis smiley. this weekend we will, of course, pause to remember one of the darkest days and all of history and honor the memory of those who lost lives on 9/11. it's first up tonight, in both at the acclaimed documentary is celebrating the 10th anniversary. it is called "rebirth" and the director, jim whitaker is with us. also tonight, lindsey buckingham. his north american tour kicks off on friday. >> every community has a martin luther king boulevard.

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people and their personal connection to the attacks of 9/11. it made its debut on sunday and is now playing in new york and in l.a.. sunday is the 10th anniversary of 9/11. you can see the film on showtime. here are now some scenes from "rebirth." >> on caught between have and to move on, but i do not want to. the cracks in the dream i just go up and hug her. >> i cannot do anything i used to do. >> i still have not cleaned out his drawer. every once in awhile i will just look and said, oh, i remember that shirt. >> i feel horribly guilty. >> i do not think i've even started healing yet. >> it is a painful decision to start dating again. it is such a the trail.

>> i really miss her. tavis: of all the things you could have called this documentary, why "rebirth"? >> it is kind of interesting. when i start of the project i have hired a locations guide to look at how to get into the site. we have a lot of conversations, going up on to the building to determine where we would put kamras. we have conversations back-and- forth and i a certain point he said we had to find a name for this. and he said, how about project rebirth? and everything about it had been a very organic and i thought that felt right. what happened over time as i started to work with the film and bring it to its completion, the journey of the participants was so much about the birth, their lives went to a different place. it became evident that the movie should be called rebirth.

tavis: how difficult was it on the occasion of this 10th anniversary to get these people to relive? rebirth is one thing. having to relive that is quite another. >> what i was amazed by is that they were very open and courageous, you know, all of them. and they had an incredible sense of the time we would be going through it, long periods of time. after the first couple of years it was almost like they were pleased to come back and have a conversation because a lot of people had stopped talking with them about it and every year i came back and said, let's talk about what you have been through this year. as time went on to my relationship formed where we were moving toward the idea of all, what did you experience,

how did you experienced the loss, and how are you experiencing the recovery? in a sense it was hard because the subject matter was hard, but by the end of it, there was a sense of relief, and ability to let it out, if you will. tavis: i was having a conversation with some friends at the end of day and we had a fascinating talk amongst us jump off around the notion of whether or not those of us in this room it felt like it had been 10 years. and we were all pretty much in agreement that for none of us did it feel like a decade had passed. and by positive in the conversation -- and i deposited in the conversation that the reason we feel that way is that the media puts these stories in front of us all the time. he did not get any distance between now and then because every way -- every day there is some reference, some conversation.

every day, somebody is harkening back to 9/11, so does not feel so distant. i raise that question to ask, that for the persons to had to live with this war, who are intricately connected to it -- to live with this horror, who are intricately connected to it, does it feel like 10 years? >> i think it does, and certainly, when they're watching the film they get to live through the 10 years. the pain and the difficulty is always there. the challenge for them is -- and has been -- is to move to a very different place. but they have gotten there. the time has moved very quickly. it has, for them. tavis: but how do they move when everything around them -- and again, this is not and my assessment or yours, but how do they move on when there are

references and reminders all the time? how did you experience that rebirth? >> unlike a loss that some of us makes bearings, a loss of a mother, father, brother, the event of the day is constantly being brought up. and in a sense i was asking them to come back to it, too. you are right, the kind of grief that they were experiencing, which was dramatic from the day, is very different and then brought up again. in some respects, it has made it more difficult. but i think this anniversary, it is very interesting. i was talking to my wife this morning about it. i experienced this a little bit in the five-year anniversary. i think the idea of getting to the 10-year anniversary, there may be a sense of the beginning of a different kind of letting go that could happen. i do not know what that will be like, but i've had a couple of conversations with the in the

film and they have expressed that sense, that there might be a slight change in the feeling of things beyond the 10th anniversary. tavis: that is why i tried to give the audience a chance to see these. the 10th anniversary is a little different for them. are you done chronicling this 10 years? >> i am done chronicling in interviews. it felt like a dramatic change to a different place. they started here and ended up here. i realize the film was kind of announcing its own ending. and i always said that i thought it was the case, that i was going to let that be the case. the cameras, however, will stay up until we expect, or i expect,

2015. we have and membership at ground zero and will be creating an insulation at the museum, it grew more people will be able to go and literally have that feeling of -- a room where people can go and literally have the feeling of the construction. on one level, the film will continue in terms of the physical rebuilding of the site, which will not happen for many more years. tavis: you start out with 10% initially and through a process got down to these five -- out with 10 people initially and through a process that down to these five. start out with tim. >> tim was a firefighter that day and he survived and lost 93 friends. two friends in particular. the journey for him was dealing with the survivor's guilt that he felt and how to overcome the feeling through working through it. he worked for rudy guiliani on

the presidential campaign and has now come through the other side of it through a lot of hard work, as have all the people in the film.brian is a salt of theh construction worker. his brother was at ground zero. he was a firefighter. he went down there on the day to find his brother. he surveyed the site, went in and started to go to work. found his brother's remains, and then stayed there to rebuild. what he did not expect was that three years into it he would start to experience posttraumatic stress. history is about how to get through that ptsd trudie -- his story is about how to get through that ptsd to the other side of that. tavis: tanya. >> she lost her then eventually fall in>> nick,s

mama that day. his experience was dealing with the loss of his mom and what all of us would his experience was dealing with the loss of his mom and what all of us would experience his experience was dealing with the loss of his mom and what all of us would experience. he started at age 15 and now at the end of the film he is 23. watching him go through the challenges of becoming a man. he had a void, which was the loss of his mom and how to deal with that. tavis: and the last of the survivors, ling. >> if one could say that healing comes from the inside and spirit is the way you look at life, her

spirit is indomitable. she was burned over three- quarters of her body. she was on the impact floor. she went through a series of operations that left her in a place that was very different physically than where she was in the very beginning. but when you see her in the film, it is really her emotional spirit. she cites that by comparing herself to others that there is a different way to look at life and if she can do that, she can find humor and there is a way to get to the other side that way. it is remarkable the way she handled all of that. tavis: 10 years of hard work. it is done by jim would occur. his project is called "rebirth" and there is a special airing on showtime sunday night on the 10th anniversary of 9/11. there is a text of the project called "project rebirth."

thank you for being here. it's my pleasure to have you here. up next, a guitarist lindsey buckingham. pleased to welcome lindsey buckingham back, the iconic guitarist and founding member of fleetwood mac. he has a new solo project and later this month he kicks off in north american tour. it is good to have you back. have you been good? >> i have been great. tavis: what is it you get out of these the solo projects? when you get back from being on the road, and the taurus out like crazy, what do you get out of the solo projects?

>> the touring and the band pays the bills, but the solo projects are the small machine. and really, because you put yourself in a position of taking risks with those projects, much as you would say an independent film verses in mainstream film. you are pushing yourself as an artist. the two tend to support each other. the small projects are where i keep growing. tavis: that we start with the taking of risk you were talking about. on a project like this, what kind of risk are you taking? >> if you look at fleetwood mac, at some point, the external forces want to define who you are a little bit. and they want to identify the brand and repeat the formula. and when you work with the left

side of your palate, which is what the solo albums do, because they are more esoteric you are scaling down the audience who is interested in hearing it. it just frees you up to do what ever you want to do for on impulses -- for your own impulses and how you want to create your own forward motion on your own terms, not what is expected of you in the marketplace. tavis: allows you, to grow to your earlier point, in what ways? >> probably in a situation like for -- by fleetwood mac, we have gotten to a place where no one is particularly interested in hearing anything new from us. and there is freedom in that. you can always be better. and if you have held on to your ideals and remembered why you got into doing what you were

doing in the first place, you can maintain those ideals and maintain the aspiration to be an artist in the long term. that is a continual process of the unfolding and discovery. tavis: you said a moment ago that -- are rarely heard an audit -- an artist admit in private, much less on national television, and that is, you have made peace with the fact that fans are probably not as interested in hearing anything new from fleetwood mac. we all love the old stuff how does -- all love the old stuff. how does an artist make peace with the fact that the audience is only interested in hearing the old stuff? >> again, because there is this big machine and then the small machine, the two worked in tandem and there's a balance you can strike if you choose to walk that road.

the last time fleetwood mac went on the road we did not have a new album out, so basically, we were doing our new body of work, which was fine with our audience. tavis: and if i did not tell you, $55 million on that tour. >> and what i brought to that was the reflection of the two solo albums. i have grown a lot and learned a lot and reignited my enthusiasm in my own sense of self. i think i brought that back into the band and it's like they say, it's not what you got, but what you do with what you've got. i was able to bring new energy into that because i had done the small machine as well. tavis: how would you describe the new project, the sound of it? funny, i had -- about six years ago i had done to give

a solo projects back to back. it was an agenda and i had to miliband not to bother me for about three years. the -- i had to tell the band not to bother me for about three years. this was a project i had not planned on making. and we got off the road and i filled the time. because it was done offhand and i have no particular idea what it was supposed to be -- it was all material that came in the course of making the album. it was just a combination of the work and growth and insights i had made over the last 10 years. it was a restatement of those all in one place. oddly enough, i think it is the best work i have ever done. tavis: is it safe to say that age and being a father and all the years in fleetwood mac has made your sound, your music a bit tamer? >> i would not say tamar. i would say more grounded. , in the same way that i've

been able to strike a balance between fleetwood mac and the solo, i found a wonderful balance between professional life and personal life. a lot of my friends who were spouses and parents in previous decades who were not really there for their families, i did not want to be one of those. i waited. i was lucky enough to meet someone when i was about 46 and i had my first child when i was 48. i got started late, but i also got all of that other stuff out of the way and was at a point where i could be consistent presence at home and that has really nurtured the professional side of things, too. it has been a great gift. tavis: my mother is watching and i agreed to ask this just for my mother. i do not have kids and i'm not married as yet. what is it like when you do this late in life, get married and

have a baby? >> well, it is incredible. it probably is not likely that it would happen at that point. i have a lot of crazy girlfriends. [laughter] tavis: [laughter] >> and i was a bit crazy myself. i think we all work. this is just the best thing that has happened to me. it is comic, i will say that. i am constantly saying, sorry, mom, sorry, dad. you realize the things you put your mom and dad true. tavis: [laughter] you have had success professionally and personally. up next, a special performance from lindsey buckingham. good to have you on the program. tavis: from his new solo cd,

"seeds and we so." this is the title track on the album. ♪

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