>> rose: welcome to our ogram, tonight we taka look at the new hampshire primary with matthew dowd, al hunt, norah o'donnell and former senator from new hampshire judd gregg. >> everybody's been looking f somebody to build around a consensus candide to take on mi romney. that hasn't happed. but what has happened inhe last 24 hours for the first time in the race, there is a consensus message against mitt romney that every one of the a can dates are now repeating. >> rose: also a look at the film "the artist." the star is jean dujardin and berenice bejo and the film is directed by michel hazanavicius. >> to me, the story is more about how, a man, a human being, has to adapt himself in a transiti period and how when your world is changing you have

to face that. hollywood or not hollywood, it's the same for everybody and especially now. the world is changing so fast that when you wor in a factory or in an office or in anywhere, things can change very quickly and you have to adapt yourself. i think it's more about that. rose: the new hampshire primary and the new silent film "the artist," when we continue.

captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin tonight with an assessment of the new hampshire primary. mitt romney enters new hampshire as a clear favorite. in two debates over the weekend, the other candidates took aim at him. >> can we drop a little bit of the pious baloney?

the fact is, you ran in '94 and lost, that's why you weren't in the senate with rick santorum. the fact is you had a very bad reelection rating, you dropped out of office, you had been out of state for something like 200 days preparing to run for president. you didn't have this interlude of citizenip while you thought out what to do. you were running for presidt while you were governor. you went all over the country, you are out of state consistently. you then promptly reentered politics, you happened to lose to john mccain as you lost to ken difficult you've been running consistently for years and years and years. >> i was running the same year he ran in 1994. i ran in the tough state of pennsylvania against an incumbent. governor romney lost by almost 20 points. why because at the end of that campaign he wouldn't stand up for conservative principles, he ran from ronald reagan and he said he was going to be to the left of ted kennedyn gay rights, abortion, and a host of other issues. we wants someone when the time gets tough-- and it will in this election-- we want someone who will stand up and fight for nservative principles. >> we all hav records. those who were governors very

specific job creation record. i delivered a flat tax in my state and we becam the top job creator in the country. mitt was number 47. >> rose: there was ao news from the white house today. president obama announced that jack lew, his director of the office of management and budget would replace his chief of staff bill daley. >> there's no question i'm going to deeply miss having bill by my side at the white hous but as he will on fd out, chicago is only a phone call away and i'm going to be using that phone number quit a bit. i plan t continue to seek bill's advise and council on a range of issues in the months and years to come. and here in washington, i have every confidence that jack will make sure that we don't miss a beat and continue to do everything we can to strengthen our economy and the middle-class and keep the american people safe. >> rose: joining me now from new hampshire, al hunt, in charge of blooerg's election coverage. judd gregg, aformer republican

senator from w hampshire. from washington, d.c., nah o'donnell, she's the chief white house correspondent for cbs news. here in new york city, matthew dowd, he is a contributor for abc news and bloomberg new i am pleased to have all of them here on election eve. i begin with al hunt. tell me where youhink i is. is there motioon the ground up there? >> things are moving, charlie, because they always move 24 hours before new hampshire vote. there's a little anecdotal and a little polling day to suggest that romney is slipping a little but it would be a shocker if mitt romney didn't n this primary tomorrow. i think much ofthe speculation now is, you know, who's going to finish behind him and what difference that might make on their ability to go forward. i think of the top three it's almost certain that paul will be one of them an i think it's unceain whether it's going to be huntsman or gingrich or santorum. i spoke to one very conservative person up here today who said he

thinks the movement is more with ntsman. so he expects hava romney out front and paul and huntsman by 10 or 15 points. >> rose: what would that do if that's true to santorum as he goes to south carolina? >> certainly doesn't help going to south carolina saying, "yeah, i finished eight votes behind in iowa then fourth or fifth in new hampshire." some of this is psychological. south carolina will be a whole new ball game. this is the most engaged citizenry in america. south carolina there will be stuff below the radar screen, above the radar screen, bring the... bng all the wen and children inside because it will get ugly. >> rose: how do you see it, mr. dowd? >> i think huntsman may finish second. second in this race. >> ahead of ron paul? >> i was talking about this with senator gregg who was part of the bush 22000 effort and the day before new hampshire our tracking polls showed us down by

ten or 12, we lost by 19. the last driver of that race was independent votes that basically decided they'd totally turn and they went... bu won republicans but heost independents dramatically. think the independents have moved, in my view, inthe last 36, 48 hours, in a big way towards jon hundredthsman. think haze the potential to finish sond. if he finishes second it throws another mony wrench in this. i don't think he c have a he impact in south carolina but it does change the dynamics of this race. as paul said if he's to rise up to second. >> rose: senator, you aren't supporting governor romney but what wouldou say? you know new hampshire much tter than the rest of us? >> i think al's right, his assessment is pretty close. i think there will be a fairly significant gap between mitt romney and the group behind him. i think group behind him is going to be very grouped. i think it very close. i don't think there will be much more than two or three percentage points separating ron paul, santorum,ingrich and huntsman.

huntsman is moving but not much. i don't see it... i don't hear footsteps. mat mentions 2000. we heard the footsteps in 20. we watched them go buy. >> rose: more than footsteps! yeah, clumping. >> rose: an elephant behind them. >> but i don't hear foot steps this time. huntsman has lived here for the la six months, he he's spent a lot of money here. if he comes in second here as matt thinks he might whe does me go? he hasn't been anywhere else. how does he take that and move it forward. so i'm not so sure that people aren't looking that the in new hampshire at least, new hampshire voters look at two things, they look at the policy of the person and what they're looking mostly at right now is fiscal policy and jobs and how to get the economy going and how to get the country's financial house in order and secondly leblt kt. on electability mid-is winning that hands down and i think independents will vote that

issue. >> rose: norah, how do you see in the terms of what cbs and your own reporting tells you about this republican race? >> well, look, today was a very big news day. not only areen the eve of the new hampshire primary but all of the major publican candidates who want to an alternative to mitt romney together sort of teamed up against mitt romney, attacking his record at bain capital, accusing him as someone who while leading up this company essentially shipped jobs overseas, was a job-killer not a job-creator. and what's stunning about that, according to democrats i spoke today, that's ripping a page out of the obama 2012 handbook. so today the obama team didn't have to do muchecau many of those challenginmitt romney were delivering what will be many of the democratic attacks that will be made the general election and, of course, the other bigews here at the wte house, charlie, was that bill daley, the president's chief of staff, we learned today is resigning. just as we head into this

reelection year. i think there's a reshuffling of people here in the wte house. the president's been concerned about... the last seven months have been embarrassing and disastrous in terms of his relations with capitol hill so they're trying to turn the corner and be ready for whoever this eventual republican nominee is. >> rose: i was going toold that conversation a little later but because you're outside, i'll go to it right now. so beyond what you had just said did the president finally say to bill daley "this is not working the way we hoped it will work"? or did bill daley say "mr. president, i can't do what i came here to do"? >> i'm told that when the president returned from hawaii last tuesday, january 3, that fill with daley walked into the oval office and delivered his resignation letter and according to a senior administration official the president was surprised and asked daleee to reconsider. they slept on it and on wednesday the president accepted daley's resignation. by friday jack lew, who is currently the president's o.m.b. director, accepted toll become

the new chief of staff and it wasn't until monday, today, that we found out about this in part because only a few people knew about it. but, look, this has been an extremely rocky tenure for bill daley who was brought in to make the trains run on time, w was supposed to establish tied with the business community. and instead there has been a very diffilt relationship not just wh the republicans up on capitol hill and speaker boehner during the debt debacle but bill daley angered the democratic leader harry reid in the senate and i think the president is trying to make a fresh start in the new year. >> rose: al, how do you see this daley development? >> well, i think this is the white house staff that's in total disarray. it's shown itself to be incompetent. i think bill daley, frankly, could have been a very good chief of staff but from day one he was undercut by valerie jarrett, the president's close confidante. he was undercut by david plouffe and i don't think it's bill daley's fault they had problems on capitol hill. harry reid gets mad at everybody. i think it was the fact that he never had the... the president

of the united states chose not to intervene and say "he's my chief." i think he was undercut from almost day one. >> rose: does that make sense? you had deal with them when they wanted to nominate y to be a mber of the cabinet. >> well, i was a big fan of bill daley's. i think laefs very positive force to bring into the white house. i regret it didn't work out. jack lew is an equally positive force. i worked very closely with him when he was running with basically the financial activities at the state department rand then as o.m.b. director because of my position on budget and appropriations and he's a straight shooter, he's got a lot of credibility up on the hill on both sides of the aisle. he's partisan, no question about that. bu he's fair and he' tell you what he thinks and listen to what you think and give you a fair hearing. so i think it's a good choice but it does show, as al has pointed out, that this white house is in disarray at the staffing levels and you see it not only i this situation but

you see it with the departure of larry summers of basicly t entire financial team from the white house and what's the biggest problem we face as a country? it's our fiscal issues. so it's not good. >> rose: to me, this is... what this signals is basically the final signal of what kind of campaign we're going to see over the course of the next ten months because i they the president decided in the aftermath when he lost the midterms, he had sort of gotten the message that what i'd been doing wasn't right, the country wants somebody to bring people together. that's when he called me up and i met with him at the white house, he asked me what i thought about a bunch of different stuff and right after that he appointed bill daley as a signal i'm going to conduct things differently, it won't be the rahm emanuel white house where it's slash-and-burn partisan, itill be a different bipartisan or nonpartisan white house. that lasted for 60 or 90 days then i think the campaign, david plouffe and everybody else decided the only way they n

win thisace is a very partisan very bitter polarized battle. i don't think they think they can appeal to independent voters in an open bipartisan way that's going to work so what i think they want to do is create enough enthusiasm among their partisan ranks and hopefully do enough de-enthuse the republican ranks so they can win a race that's a much more polarized rac bill daley, him leaving, is the final signal that what you're going to see over the next ten months is not appeals to swing voters but a total partisan attack. >> rose: do you hear the same thing, norah? >> i don't think you have to remove the chief of staff of the white house in order to run a partisan campaign. david plouffe and certainly his team in chicago could have done that with bill daley keeping the trains running on time at the white house. bill daley had come on board. about a year ago, he promised to stay two years. he is leaving one year later. it's because this white house was beset by a lot of staff turmoil. incredible tension where bill

daley did not get along with some staff members and he had a incredibly difficult tenure on capitol hill. and there were mistakes at were made. when the president rolled out his american jobs act, which is the signature policy initiative that he wants to run in in the next year, thisear, draw diinctions wh republicans, bill daley fumbled on. that remember, he was supposed to go out with the president and deliver a joint session address in congress and bill dey announced it without ever speaking with speaker boehner about that and ignoring decades of precedent about how a speaker of the house and the chief of staff operate. these are simple communications that st of failed with this white house and i think bill daley grew frustrated internally and i think there was finally a decision made to move in a different direction. >> rose: albert? >> yeah i think matthew overstates the campaign theme a bit. (laughter) clearly you're going to reach

out... they clearly are going to reach out to independent voters. as a matter of fact, their campaign might be similar to the campaign the 43rd president ran in 2004 which is make sure you have your base and reach out to the middle. i will say the white house-- and i do think the staff is in disarray and they did undercut bill daley, i share jed gregg's admiration and respect for jack lew. little-known fact, i met jacket 37 years ago when he was an aide to ba abzug. he was a great counsel to tip o'neill tunnel, he's a man of great judgment, fairness and integrity. he won't do a political job. that will be done in chicago and i ink the one gift that they've had this week is the other republicans-- gingrich, santorum, perry, huntsman all putting that private equit bain capital issue on the front burner and it's going to be hard now when the democrats atck

him even more vehemently on this for the republicans to scream "class warfare." >> i'll just say one thing. when you run a reelection campaign in the white house, there's no distinction between the campaign headquarters in chicago and the white house. there's no distinction between the two things. where you send the president, what the president says, how it's conducted. karl rove never went on the reelection campaign. karl rove was in the white house. don't tell me that karl rove wasn't involved in strategic decisions about how we were going to operate and what was going to happen. i'm not saying you can't run a partisan race. what'm saying is the power structures at the white house and i think nora knows is this is that the people that won out in the the power structures wa not the bill daley let's figure out a way for everybody to get along and build links to people, the power structure that won out are the more partisan, the more polarizing power structures. and if i were billaley watching that, i'm not saying the president removed him because he said "i want to run a partisan campaign." but as those power structures were settled and it was settled

on a much more partisan and polazing campaign, bill daley did not have room until that. >> rose: senator gregg... >> charlie, i think what matthew looking for that great healer, rl rove. (laughter) >> i'm not saying that! (laughter) >> you have to interview karl rove about me and you won't see a healer. >> rose: no love lost there? (laughter) senator gregg, how do you think...et's assume that t governor does well, as you hope he will do, in new hampshire. most people exct him to w. are we looking at a race in which time will determine whether the conservatis can coalce around one person or governor romney gets so ose to the nomination it will not matter? >> well, i don't think it will be that issue. i don't think gorpl's policies are anything but conservative and so i don't think he's really going to he a problem with

most conservatives. >> rose: why hasn't he done more than 25%. >> i think he can bring together the party quickly once we get past the nominating process we'll see people getting on the boat. if he wins iowa and new hampshire, he goes into south carolina holding an awful lot of cards and south carolina has historically been a tough place to run an election race, they play serious politics down there as i understand it. but i think they end to also vote for somebody they feel can win the election and i think that's one of the strongest cards that mitt romney has and as a practical matter if he's won in ia he's won in new hampshire. he's shown he can win in the primaries, too. >> rose: so electability... >> i think h comes in with good cards. >> rose: so conservatives are willinto vote more for electability than they are someone that they believe has been an authentic conservative

throughout his plit career? >> well, first off, it's not monolithic. our party is like the democratic party, it has all sorts of different folks running around. but we all come under the banner of basically smaller government, more efficient government and individual liberties. under those tests, mitt romney meets those tests and i think for most republicans we really feel very strong they the country's at a tipping point here. we're going to have to choose which course we take. are we going to follow, as mitt says, the european model of governance or american exceptionalism building epientrepreneurship and individuals taking risk? it's very important to have a candidate who can carry our message and beat the president. >> rose: but can he be hurt and damaged by... >> and i think mitt romney meets those criteria. >> rose: as has been stated here, can he be hurt on the republican side by the attacks of his activities at bain capital d then president obama

will come along in the general election and just pick up on that them? >> i think it's good to get it out. i think his answers are very positive and very good. he created jobs. isn't it nice to have somebody who's running for president who created jobs. before he was a state senator in illinois he was a community organizer in illinois. it's got to be done in the positive but to get the issue out there it will be healthy for mitt to take on this issue right now. >> rose: >> the president made the case last week as the unemployment rate fell to 8.5% but in the past year 1.6 million jobs have been created. the unemployment rate has been falling. if the trend continues that way, it would certainly help president obama's reelection. but there's no doubt he has been

facing head winds in part because unemployment has been above 8% for three years now. you still have 13 million americans out of work so it's a dire jobs pture for this president. but make no mistake about it, the senator is exactly right. this campaign is going to be fought on who can help turn this economy around, who is going to be a president who can help deliver jobs to the american people. and also a huge debate which i ink this country is hungry for which is about the size and role of theederal government. and those are the... those are the lines that this campaign will be fought on. >> to me the race boils down t this: if this race is about barack obama, he probably loses if this race is about mitt romney, if he's the potential nominee, barack obama probably wins and chicago knows that and boston knows that. they both know that. mitt romney's campaign wants this to be about barack obama, barack obama wants this to be about mitt romney. the troubling thing i think about the bain stuff this. it reminds me a lot of the john

kerry campaign and his vietnam attributes. in a national security election in 2004, if you think about this 2004, his main at tribute he talked about was i was a vietnam veteran. he talked about it, talked about it, talked about it. as soon as that was undercut, his main asset saying i'm going to make this argument against president bush, it became very hard for him to make any national security argument. so not only was it in many ways a negative, an asset became a liability, that's the problem with bain and the economic argument. it's the main asset that mitt romney has to sell in an election about the economy. here's what i did and i created a b. if that begins to be undercut it makes it harder. so his asset that he walks in the election with in an economy election becomes... then becomes a potential liability. but my feeling is this is not just a problem for the genal election, people have a tendency to thinkh, no, that's not going to hurt anymore the primaries because republicans are big business and republicans are pro-wall street and all of that.

the problem is that republican party is no longer the party of wall street. the republican party is much more a blue-collar white male party, especially a place like south carolina. if you go to south carolina, the people that have succeeded are the people thahave had populist reformer messages not people that represented big business in wall street. i don't know if newt gingrich, his pac, rick santorum and what they havare going to be able to hurt him fast enough in time. this is not just a potential problem for mitt romney in the general election, it's a potential problem inhe primary. and i'm going to going go back to something norah said. everybody's looking for a consensus candidate to take on mitt romney. that hasn't happened. but what has happened in 24 hours for the first time in the race, there is a consensus message against mitt romney that every one of the candidates are repeating. huntsman, santorum, newt gingri, ron paul, every one of them is repeating the same message and that for people in boston at the romney campaign is something more than anything else they've had to de with.

>> rose: do you're in? does the romney campaign here in? that the issue could be... >> i think matt's points are very good. i do think that that's legitimate. to raise that issue, whether or not if you get four or five members... four or five people running for this office all attacking mitt romney, whether that undermines his ability to make his case. that's basically what matt is saying a he becomes the issue. i don't think it's going t be successful, though, i don't. first off because romn has a good answer toit, which is that i created jobs, on net and people he can talk about he can bringhousands of people forward who have jobs today because he created things like staples. so i think he got a good response to that and the olympics on top of that have to talk about. but i think our party yearns for a winner. somebody who can go up against the president and win. if you lookt the other candidates in this race and you start talking about flaws that

will make them the issue as versus the president being the issue-- which was matt's point and i agree 100%-- they've got some issues that will allow the president to caricature them in a way that makes our candidate more of the issue than the president. so i end to think that mid-'s holding most of the cards, as i said earlier. >> rose: al, regardless of what happens in new hampshire, most people will continue... will go right to south carolina, correc >> well, yeah, that right. i don't think huntsman will. but i'm picking up on judd's point, charlie, on this. i think it's... i wou be shocked if mitt romney is not republican nominee. i can not find a reasonable pathway for any of the others at this stage. >> rose: norah o'donnell from cbs news, thank you for joining me the morning and at night. thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> rose: senator gregg, thank you very much. >> always a pleasure, charlie. >> rose: my political in this political broadcast, al hunt and matt dowd. thank you all.

>> rose: it's the silent film that has everybody talking, "the artist" by french director michel hazanavicius looks at materially days of hollywood. set in 1927 at the dawn of the talkies, the movie looks at silent film making and the transition into sound. tony scott of e "new york times" alls "the artist" an irresistible reminder of nearly everything that makes the movies great. here is the trailer for "the artist."

>> rose: joining me are the film's stars jean dujardin and berenice bejo, also the director michel hazanavicius, i am pleased to have them here at this table for the first time to talk about this moe that everybody is talking about. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: here's what's great for me. between the time that you had the inspiration for this but didn't think you were ready to

make it you went out and made good films, commercially and artistically, then decided "i'm ready." was it a hard sell for you? >> well, i was the first one to convince. i had to convince myself. because everybody says to you it's not a movie to make, it's impossible to finance, impossible to make and to have made these two movies you just kindly talk about it gives me some self-confidence and i thought, okay, if i don't do it now i will never do it so i took my chance. >> rose: why did youant to do it? why do you want to make a silent film? >> because the format. i mean, i was really attracted by the format as an audience member. when you ok atthe silent movie, the way the story told to you it's very partular.

an as an audience member you put a lot of yourself into it because you recreate so many things with the und so it makes the story very close by everybody single person in the audience and i love that. >> rose: you shoot it at 22 frames per second rather than the normal 24. >> yeah. yeah. >> rose: why? >> the first thing was to help act t actors in a way because it gives to the actors theflavor of the 20s because they move in... the way we rind the actors of the 20s. and the otherrick which is very helpful to me usually... i mean not usually but sometimes you go to see a movie, to watch a movie and you say they could maybe cut like ten or 15 minutes and when you shot a 22-frame and it's a little high speed, a story that's told in 1:50 it's

1:35 because of that. >> rose: so when you were dodd do this, any trepidation? were you scared? >> i was.. yes, i was afraid. i refused. >> rose: (laughs) you said no? >> yeah, i said no. it was impossible because... i... i said to michele, if you want pantomime like chaplain or keaton it's impsible, it's not me. (speaking french)

>> he just thanks him. >> rose: but what was the one thing you had to overcome. what was the most difficult part of it. because you're using your face, not your words. >> the challenge was a tap dance and not really different. for the audience it's a silent movie. for us on set it was a talking movie because we had lines, we spoke in french and english and gibberish. >> ros gibberish. >> yes. there was a lot of music on set. the director spoke. the dog trainer, sometimes it was difficult for concentration but not really different. it's more ininctive. your body does the work. >> rose: look at this. this is the scene in which you are tap dancing... your character is tap dancing behind the screen with a woman he

discovers is peppy miller. roll tape. >> rose: you were inspired by "singing in the rain"? >> well, yeah, i guess so. but when i was writing the script i really avoided to

rework "singing in the rain because i didn't want to make the same movie. >> rose: did you do a lot of research in >> sure. mainly because i wanted to understand how does it work to make a silent movie. what are the rules of the game. so i had to make the vocabulary of how to tell a story. >> rose: tell me the story here. who is peppy miller, your character? >> peppy miller, she's a young woman who wants to become an actress and who dreams about george valentin and finally met him. >> rose: he is the star. >> yeah, he's the star of the world. at that point when you're a star you're the star of the world. and she finally met him on the red carpet like she's... her bag fell and they met and that's the

beginning of their story. they're going to meet over some years and their destiny is going to be kind of crossed always and she's going to become a movie star and work more and more and become a movie star and he's going toe totally forgotten by the industry and she still believesn hi and will try to take him back to the industry because she really cares and really loves him. she's a beautiful character. she's very lovable from the very beginning for men and women she's not calculating anything, she's just enjoying life. she's very positive soul and very truth to herself and to life. i love her. i had so much fun and to be her and i'mvery grateful to michelle. >> rose: you met on another film yes? >> yes. >> rose: and instantly felt admiration of each other's ability as well as each other's

heart. >> no. (laughter) >> i wish i could say yes. we were working and when i make a movie... and i don't say that because she's here but i don't flirt. i have so much work to do. so i used to say that the character was inspired by. >> rose: how so? >> because as i said i read the script with them in mind. >> rose:hy did she inspire peppy miller? >> because of the energy, because of what she just... i mean, that doesn't mean that the character of george valenn is exactly like... it's not... but i wanted to e both of them in that kind of character and imagery.

>> rose: did you tch a lot of douglas fairbanks knew please? >> i watched all douglas fairbanks movies because like my character he always plays the sa role pite with a mustache and he has no instinct for the future. >> rose: what happens to george valentin when he meets peppy? (speaks french) >> he helps her. >> he helps her. >> rose: he wants to be her friend and mentor, protege? >> i think it's an old-fashioned love story. there's no new sequence, there's no long sequence. it's a very pure love story. something could happen between them but it doesn't because of the circumstances.

t we know... the audience knows that they are in love. that they don't have an affair. >> ros here's a scene athe breakfast table wi your wife and your dog right after youe met peppy. roll tape.

>> rose: what are the themes of this movie? pride. family. >> truth. >> rose: truth. >> love. >> rose: love. >> rose: >> betrayal. >> fame. >> rose: especially fame. >> and silence. >> rose: how do you mean silence? >> i mea, silence is one of the themes of the movie. >> rose: silence between people? >> between people and silence in the movie and how silence can be very... can demolish a couple and w... i think silence is a little bit everywhere. because 's a silent movie, silence came in the writing process and became to me. >> rose: what do you think people feel coming out of this movie that they might not have imagined going in? what is the emotion that makes this so attractive to audiences? >> i think they feel really happy and smart.

because i guess st people haven't seen silent movies. and think think it's boring or hard. it's going to be hard work. and you finally sit down and someone tells you a story. once upon a time you have george valentin who meets peppy miller. and it's very easy to understand yoconnect with the movie, there's no sound so your imagination is, you know, very... it's very needed for the movie. so i think the audience feels really happy and touch most of the people cried but of happiness, of sadness, of emotion. they're very touched after the movie. >> rose: what was george valein's reaction to the arrival of talking pictures? here?

>> scared. and (spks french) >> he's laughing. he doesn't believe in it. >> rose:hy doesn't h believe in it? why does he not seeit? >> because he has no instinct for the future. like everybody else does. >> and i think he still wants to do something in silence. he has somethingto say,ou know? he... >> my interpretation is that he thinks that the audience follows him. >> rose: so he's full of sense of self because he's been suck so successful. >> it's... he's a little arrogant and (speaking french) sorry. >> rose: it's arrogance, too? >> yes. >> rose: you were going to say?

>> i think he's really egocentric and he thinks that people will follow him instead of following the technical improvement so i think he snubs the talking because his character will change to adapt himself. i think people will follow him and cinema willdapt to him, not the opposite. rose: what is this film saying about the idea of hollywood and fame? >> i think it's... i don't know exactly. i mean, there's no... there's nothing cynical in the movie. there's no criticizing of hollywood and i think it's more love letter to hollywood in the rm. i think nothing really changes in hollywood and in that principle of fame. people are up and then they are down and this is the way it works and the people can help

each other and to me the story is more about how a man... a human being as to adapt himself in a transition period and how when your world is changing you have to face that period. hollywood or not hollywood, it's the same for everybody and especially now. the world is changing so fast that when you work in a factory or an office things can change quickly and you have to adapt yourself. i think it's more about that. >> it's never been more true than it is today because of technology and how fast the world is moving. we've seen hit in the industrial age, too. as you move from railroads to planes. most of the railroad companies who you would pect and the transportation companies would lead the way into the aircraft business didn't. they died out as new people started the aircraft business. it wasn't the old people.

>> and you can change very quickly. so you work in a factory and the month after this factory will be in asia and you have to find another way to live and i think that's why people can be touched by the story, more than the hollywood thing. hollywood is more the background. >> rose: you can set the firm in anywhere, it happens to be the background for this it makes sense to be in hollywood. that's why the movie a love letter to hollywood. >> rose: is george then a tragic figure? >> both, i think you can do now withelodramatic... y can do a movie that can be also fun and funny and it's entertainment

with a happy ending. >> rose: so i don't want to give away the movie but what happens to ppy? >> what happens to peppy she arrives, she has thatream, she has that dream to become an actress and that's what she becomes. when she becomes famous and a little bit arrogant and thinks she owns t world she met george and realized that even if you get famous, even if you are very famousou don't have tobe arrogant. yohave to stay true to yourself that's why i love the interview scene where she's speaking like she's the biggest movie star ever and i like her because she's not just nice and sweet.

she is a human being and she can be arrogant. >> rose: do you think of the character as tragic? >> yesa little bit tragic, yes. but a lot of dignity. >> rose: you two have worked together twice before. this is your third film? >> fourth. >> we madenother one. >> rose: what was that? >> it' a short movie >> it's a sketch movie. >> rose: oh, six different direors? >> yes. like >> like the italian movies. >> rose: what's the status... where would you put french cine today? it's had golden ages before. >> i think there there's a lot

of good young directors right now since maybe five, ten years. i think there was like the '80s, '90s i didn't really... that was not my favorite moment in france i'm quite happy of what's happening in france. >> rose: where would you like, michele, your career to go do you want to do a certain kind of movie or do all kinds of knew please? >> certainly all kinds of movies. becae i need be very, very much involved in the movie. i want to make... i mean, it takes me, like, two years at least to make a movie so i need to get involved a lot and so i need to love the projects and i can't say yes or commit myself

in the movie that i'm not sure so sometimes you want to make people laugh and have a great privilege and sometimes you want to make a drama and you want to say someing and sometimes you want just to entertain. so i think i'm not good to calculate, just follow my instincts. >> rose: and they're ther, you don't have to search yourself and say "what is it i want to do. it will just come to you. >> i think sometimes you just take a simple story the way you are telling the story is more important than the story itself. >> rose: you're making another film? >> >> it's a spy movie between a love story and a spy movie. >> rose: set in france? >> yes, monaco and kiev.

and belgium. >> rose: belgium. >> yes. thank you. >> rose: so what are your ambitions as an actor? just to have fun. to stay true to myself and stay a kid. >> rose: it's my ambitn, t, to stay a kid. and... (speaking french) to be surprised. >> rose: to be surprised. >> by a director or by a story. >> rose: it's interesting you say that because i once talked to mike nichols about directing and i said to him "what do you want from an actor?" and he said "i want an actor to surprise me."

and you're saying "ain't director to surprise me." you understand? it's true. you want somebody to come and in a sense surprise you and not go down a road that you necessarily know but bring you a place where it calls on all of your own sort of creativity to deliver. >> that's why it's such a unique project for an actor. because you'll never get a chance to do a silent movie ever again and, yeah, you're totally surprised. it's totally unexpected. that's the best. (speaking french) >> to admire the other one, the director, to be able to admire the director, it's very important. >> rose: are you surprised by the success. >> yeah, sure. i mean it's absolutely unexpectable. i hope people would enjoy the movie, but iever could expt that kind of reception. it's just too much. >> rose: i have two things i have to do here. i want, one, to show the next

clip, which is george valentin taking some bows after screening of one of his sung saysful silent films. roll tape.

>> rose: when i asked a question about ambition i was thinking of sort of hollywood and to be a huge movie star in terms of llywood and say... as say daniel craig or george clooney or brad pitt. does that interest you? i mean, you have the physical and the sort of talent to do that. >> but not the language. >> rose: well, i know! so that's an interesting question. but not the language: >> it's about a project. but i am... i'm very happy in fran. i'm very lucky but if a project

or director asks me, why not? but it's a... it's abstract. it's too early to tell, i think. >> rose: take a look at this. this is one last scene i want to see. this is you and you from your film in 2006. "o.s.s. 17 cairo, nest of spies." in a talkky.

>> rose: funny because the words are translated? >> it's so funny to see each other years ago. (laughs) >> rose: thank you. it's a pleasure to meet you and a pleasure to have you here at this table. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> rose: thank you for joining us. see you tomorrow morning.