>> hello, i'm llewellyn king, a host of "white house chronicle." first, a few thoughts of my own. actually, a demonstration. i apologize on -- for my radio listeners because they will not see this but i have in front of me a bowl of water and then

another bull without any water and a sponge. not terribly sophisticated. but you heard a lot about the future of oil in the u.s. there are those, and they included newt gingrich, that believe we can become a great will producing power -- oil producing power. this very week i interviewed jack girard of the american petroleum institute and he said there is going to be plenty of oil in the u.s. for our children and grandchildren and i believe their children. that is 100 years, i imagine. the thing is, traditionally we got oil out of a pool in the ground sort of like this ball of water here. and we put a pipe into wit and drill a hole and put the pipe down and suck it up. the new oil that is changing things, that has changed north dakota into a boom state is rather different.

the oil is contained in tight formations and they have to be squeezed and squeezed to get the oil out. it is very expensive. this oil comes to the surface, depending where you are -- saudi arabia for russia -- for a few dollars a barrel, called the lifting price. it is very low and places where there is a good pool of good quality oil. this oil is much more difficult. you put a hold down and then lines like this and then you put in a mixture of water, sometimes steam, chemicals, and squeeze in the oil out. the result is that in north dakota, for example, the lifting price, the price of getting the oil to the surface, before you have done anything with it, can be as high as $50 a barrel. so, we may have more will bring

in the future. that is not absolutely certain. but it will be expensive. mr. gingrich, it seems improbable that you can get it to the palm -- pump refined for a $2 or $2.50 a gallon like you said and the last television debate. this is a different -- different game. it is different oil and it is a big undertaking to get it. the american petroleum institute says the new technologies -- but these technologies are not actually that new, they are about 20 years old, and there is no indication that there is a technology beyond that. the rather crude one of doing, doin, squeezed -- oil is not the simple matter certain forces and politicians would have us believe in this point in time. i have a wonderful program with some of the best minds that i know in washington coming right up after the titles.

>> many have spoken out on the need to transition to a clean energy future. at exelon, we are acting. by 2020, we are committed to reducing, offsetting, or displacing more than 15 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions annually from greening our operations, helping customers and communities reduce emissions, an offering more low carbon electricity in the marketplace. at exelon, we are taking action and we are seeing results. >> "white house chronicle" is produced in collaboration with whut, howard university television. now, your program host, nationally syndicated columnist llewellyn king, and co-host linda gasparello. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> hello, again, and thank you for coming along. i promised you great people.

a great cohoes, linda gasparello -- co-host, linda gasparello. do you dance the charleston well? >> yes, i do. >> does anyone here remember the trust and? we have with us, jim bohannon, whose nightly show, "the jim bohannon show can be heard on over 500 radio stations across the dial and across the country and it is produced and brought to you by dial global, the new power in the road -- broadcasting, i believe. the traditional radio broadcasting. and somebody who might actually remember the charleston even though he did not dance it, andrew glass, one of the senior journalists in washington, one of the most extraordinary, accomplished washington journalist now with "politico." welcome to the broadcast. and from georgetown university,

which educated linda, chris chambers who runs the communication program. welcome to the broadcast. let's start with you, chris. can we take any more debates? [laughter] >> i have run out of popcorn and year, so i don't think so. >> we did not want to know about the quality of your life. >> i have my little secrets. i do not think we can take any more now. now it is pedal to the metal time. ringling brothers is basically over. i think they are doing themselves a disservice now continuing this, trying to seemingly out right wing one another. i think now of the time to talk about real issues, especially for mitt romney. i think it is time for him to maybe take a lesson from barack obama, last year of the black

caucus, where he basically said, look, i know your criticisms about me but i am the one who is in charge and will win and you need to shut up and get behind me. i thing he will have to show some intestinal fortitude and do that. >> but if newt gingrich were to drop out, suddenly send form becomes very viable because all of that conservative vote, the social conservative vote, goes immediately to santorum. it does not go immediately to mitt romney, which they find him an anathema. >> just going to say, he is going to have to step up and not use people like neal borts and even druge like proxy's in -- as proxy's. he has to say independents will come to me and not to rick santorum and you will get more from me than you are from barack obama. you need to climb on board. that would be my message. >> two dozen debates has proved something we should already

know, which is that negative campaigning works. each time it is up, it's not down. there is a long-running penalty and politics for negative campaigning and that will serve us, too, before the cycle is over. >> is there a fatigue factor? >> people respond to negative campaigning, but it is a plague on all of your houses. >> about the debates -- first of all, it would be nice if we had debates instead of joint news conference. second, we have to remember that we are very inside the beltway and we pretty much the shows you with people who are into this. -- associate with people who are into this. the average american can give you a much better idea of who came in second on "denting with the star's" then the identities of newt gingrich, ron paul, or mitt romney. there is a fatigue factor. they have not to and in yet.

>> what kind of calls are you getting? am i think the overwhelming thing i would have to say about the calls is among the republicans, it is very much, mitt romney if we have to. i hope we don't have to. and there is a willingness on the part of republicans to say if he is really the guy who can beat president obama, we will go along. but there is no love lost there, and there will be no passion. but of course, you did not get four or five votes in this country if you really pressed the level -- press the leather hard. >> the other thing about the debates and negative information, getting back to what andy said, it is the great fuel to the rise of negative ads because they pull the negative information from of the debates and a turn them into a full- fledged negative advertising. and that advertising, financed by the super pacs, is really, really worrisome.

>> it is corrosive. >> is there some point where the local television stations can't absorb anymore advertising? >> that is a long way off. speaking as a broadcaster. and they will absorb any way they can. >> like that sponge. >> or necessarily they will raise their rates. the problem broadcasters have is you have to charge your lowest rate. so in the political season you have a lot of commercials, but instead of the high rate you were getting for the car dealerships, now you have a lot of commercials but at a lower rate. so, per minute of time you are getting less money. >> that may be, jim. but i used to work for a chain, cox enterprises, that had its fair share of broadcast stations and i got to look at the bottom line. and even years, like the ones we are in now, our income was a

heck of a lot higher than the odd years and the only reason was political ads. renault question about it. but they still wish they could charge a higher rate. >> if you get an excess of people trying to buy advertising, the rate will go up, will look not for some of them it would, but this is not a marketplace situation. the law says the advertising has to be at the lowest rate, not a precise definition. >> that is a campaign law that has not been violated are circumvented yet? >> i am sure never because we are honest and honorable in broadcasting. >> you must own stock in it. [laughter] what are the negative things you are hearing on the phone lines? >> a lot of what you all talked about here, which would be that everybody is being torn down. but again, you are talking about people will listen to a program like mine, will call into a program like mine, they are very

attuned. there is a burnout factor. for most people, it is not a factor yet. maybe it will be enough -- september or october. >> i want to know how the different issues are playing to your listeners. are they really interested in what is going on in people's bedrooms? >> it is sort of one of those -- what have you heard? it is kind of a tug in both directions. people did not want to think about it, but i think, frankly, a lot of the discussion about newt gingrich's 3 marriages, it did not help in any. herman cain was doing quite well until all of the sudden the accusations came out and he totally evaporated. >> contraception? >> contraception, this is an issue -- i probably have an audience, certainly very heavily against abortion. contraception, there are a lot of people in that audience that i did not know if they think

everyone and should have nine or 10 kids. >> i find it extraordinary -- don't you find it extraordinary that contraception is on the political calendar? >> it is an anachronism. it does not make any sense. what the media is missing -- and it is extremely important story -- is why in a nation of 300 million americans so many people refuse to run for president? why aren't we getting the brightest and the best in the best sense of that word eager and willing to be presidential candidates? >> i have a theory on this. that is that the scrutiny that we in the media give candidates is so intense that many people do not want to go through it. and anybody who feels they have ever made any money, been in love, or had a drink, god forbid, is unqualified to run for president. so in that end -- and of what

these people reduced to the bare essentials of nothingness in a human being because all the talented people, or bring a great many of the talented -- nobody goes for it. it is a brutal process. you are destroyed. maybe your family. chris, what do you think? and i agree with andy, this is an issue that i think people sit down every four years they say why, but they look in the near an enemy is us. they want us -- people who will throw out the raw meat issues and then we sit back and say i did not want to talk about contraception or abortion, but we have the reptilian brain that needs to be fed. so you have the scrutiny factor that exes out a lot of people and then you have the people who can feed the reptilian brain, he did the inner need, the fight or flight, kill or be killed, sex and food of thing that fuels the success of negative ads.

any shrink will tell you that. not a political scientist, but a string " so you why the political ads are successful. we have that problem. people who did not want to get involved because they did not want to be subject to the scrutiny, and people who are involved because they can attack that reptilian need. it is a terrible, terrible thing. i think jon huntsman would have been a great republican candidate. look where he is now. >> i think the other thing is that if you are just a plain joe or jane you say to yourself, can i really raised the money? and the money really -- >> scrutiny plus the money frightens people away. let's pause for station identification. for listens -- listeners on sirius xm radio, channel 124. the audio can be heard at 930 -- 9:30 a.m. on saturdays, 3:30 p.m. saturdays.

and the entire program can be seen on english language stations of the voice of american and 200 other american television stations, public and public access. do you want to do is shout out to any of our stations, linda? >> schow out, yes. we have state college, pennsylvania. >> one of our loyal -- >> loyal stations. >> the people up there right a lot. write to us at whchronicle.com. that's to the subject. why do we not have positive programs? not doing anything really serious about iran, not really serious about the budget. not touch the fence but we would do this. all very bland.

newt gingrich is going to solve the and a deep problem in one minute. >> there is nothing new in a campaign that has little or anything to do with governing, assuming one of these people becomes president or even a barack obama remains president. there is also something that people lose -- and you know about it. 40 years ago we knew these people. after we campaigned all day, we had a drink with them, we shared some layoffs. my colleagues at politico tell me that they are completely fenced off. they do not have any real access to them as real people. and i think the public suffers. >> andrew glass, from politico -- the white house, we cannot walk around, go to the old executive office building, called the eisenhower office building. allow the from the gate and to the briefing room and back. they are isolated.

when you lock people away -- it is both sides. >> some people watching our show would say crybaby media, they do not have access. but the real losers are the viewers and listeners who do not get the kind of insight and information they deserve. >> linda gasparello? >> i agree. it is exactly what andy said, our lack of ability to be able to write the stories or broadcast in television or radio -- so we can tell those who need to know what is going on in their heads, what is going on in their heads. we did not have that. and on top of that there is little time to do that now because of the fact that the weeks are so sure. they are not here long been of for us to do that kind of quality time with them. >> also, the story keeps changing because we have gone from being a democracy from being a poll-ocracy.

every day there is a pole. the politicians try to catch up. i think it is synthetic news, in a way. some are useful but to many create this synthetic world of daily elections that mean nothing. do you think, chris, it is time that those who are liberals should say they are liberals? they are defined as liberal by the opposition. the president is defined by his opposition as liberal. wouldn't it be better simply if he says the liberal answer is, the liberal values are? do we have to have all of those people who are on the left of the spectrum pretend that they are not on the left of the spectrum and somehow they are in the middle of it? >> i think that is part of the psychology of the left. you don't want to do you want to argue with yourself and your own worst enemy. nobody here wants to create a

18, much less take one for the team. it is just part of the site in -- psychology. we do not want to say whether the group. we want to say we are right. we want to say we are more intelligent. that is part of the liberal psychosis, if you will. the conservative one is a totally different one. it is like apples and oranges, turtles and harri -- hares. >> jim bohannon, i would like to tell the viewers when they can't get your program. the nighttime "the jim bohannon show" is from 10:00 p.m. until 1:00 a.m. eastern time and my morning news magazine is live from 5:00 a.m. until 6:00 a.m. >> do you sleep? >> 2015 is looking pretty good. i was just going to add that if you really go for a and candidly say you are a liberal, there is

a name for people like that, the same name for candidates who would try to turn a campaign into three credit hours of contemporary events -- loser. the public eats up sound bites. of the public considers liberal to be a pejorative. certainly a lot of independents do, and the reason people cannot proclaim themselves as a liberal, but rather say progressive or centrist is because they are losing part of the vote that way. >> can i also say that in the same way that liberals will not call themselves liberals, moderates will not call themselves moderates. and this was one of the things -- this was one of the reasons why jon huntsman self- destructive. he was a real moderate. amid from it is actually a moderate who dare not speak that name -- mitt romney is actually in moderate dare not speak that name. >> that absence of the moderation is there in his term -- evidence of his moderation is there as governor of

massachusetts. >> he has now got to become the law ready always was in order to appeal to what bill clinton always knew -- you need to appeal to the center. ison't know how a candidate going to win just from the margins. you have to get to the center. >> you do have to get to the center. romney is doing it from the standpoint of having a greater versatility of conviction. [laughter] i am not how -- sure how much it works. the meister was bill clinton. he was the master of -- you see me now? i am over here. >> interest in participating in this discussion, i have to put in a plug for "white house chronicle" because we are telling it as it is and there is not enough of that on public television or any kind of television today. these debates, maybe people don't watch, but the news people pull sound aids out of them, and they are not the most reasonable sound bite, they are the most

extreme sound bites. that is what people are left with. it is not good. >> thank you for the compliment. they are not common. as an old colleague of yours -- one i complimented him on something, he wrote that and said i am not used to this. i feel that it is maybe a trip. then it feeds the vicious cycle. when the candidates are walled off, the president is walled off, you pull sound bite out of these events like the days and it creates a bigger global for the abrogation -- aggregation a euphemism for not original reporting and that feeds more gossip because that is really all they can do is really recycle that it to get more eyes on the web site and more clix and more eyes on the youtube channel. and it just snowballed. >> i have always maintained

that external events are often much more important than these internal debate and these catch phrases and the prepared programs of the candidates. and suddenly the big shifts in the world -- the price of gasoline is a big political problem for the president. we had said it was just the economy, all which is beginning to look better. but gasoline will disturb the economy and create enormous hostility, particularly when the republicans of playing him. although, i must say in this case i feel he is blameless the folly of not voting the keystone pipeline now comes into focus. it our closest ally in the middle east, israel, is not talking to the administration about their plans or lack of plans to attack iran. that is a real event in the real world that we have to deal with. >> an enormous and in the real- world. >> another enormous event is europe, looking at a recession. that recession could reverberate

to come back. >> the very high price of oil. i remember 1973-1974 when the whole world went into recession and 23 heads of states lost their jobs because the price of oil alone. we have to go to our high-low point. linda gasparello. >> i think my low of the low point is the conflict in syria right now, which has claimed so many lives, including some fabulous reporters like murray colvin. absolutely heartbreaking. >> i would have the low point the condescends -- contraceptive debate, even by the standards of contemporary politics has been extremely simplistic and i would like to see it elevated a little bit. i did not expect sophocles' but a little bit. >> the man who said put an aspirin between your legs, i want to send him a copy of the,

sutra. >> the census bureau has just told us that 30% of americans have a college degree. nearly 11% have a graduate degree. 50 years ago that number was 6%. something is going right in terms of the educational process. >> low point for me would be the pop culture phenomenon of chris brown and the singer rihanna getting back together to collaborate. more so for what it says about consumer culture and a culture of young people who did not see any problem with him, and in user, getting back with her, and enabling. hite point -- i do not think i had any high points this week. maybe last week, the westminster guard show -- dog show. >> an enormous number of people going through university. are they better educated? our people better read? i come out of the generation more people did not go to university. journalists and never went to university, at least in the

countries i was familiar with in my youth -- britain and zimbabwe. we thought people who had been to the university were very wise and we treated them with enormous respect. now we think universities are places to give speeches and get paid. that is our show for today. and universities who wants to hire me, i am available. [laughter] linda gasparello and chris -- we will see you next week. until then, all the best. we will have another chat next week about energy and energy supply in these united states with some true energy experts.

>> many have spoken out on the need to transition to a clean energy future. at exelon, we are acting. by 2020, we are committed to reducing, offsetting, or displacing more than 15 million metric tons a greenhouse gas emissions annually through greening our operations, helping our customers and communities reduce their emissions, and offering more low carbon and atrocity in the marketplace. at exelon, we are taking action and we are seeing results. >> "white house chronicle" is produced in collaboration with whut, howard university television. from washington, d.c., this has been "white house chronicle," a weekly analysis of the news with insignt and a sense of humor featuring llewellyn king, linda gasparello, and guests.

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