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negotiation, no talking, my where the highway. >> this week, the shutdown as the voters are restless. >> they cannot govern in this country. you guys are worthless. >> the speaker between a rock and a hard place. >> he has become a puppet with ted cruz pulling the strings. >> all we're asking for is a discussion and fairness for the american people under obamacare. >> also one day one of the shutdown. obamacare kicks in. >> a few glitches but it is a great problem to have. >> look who is running for governor of texas trade >> we are here because we want to fight for texas jobs and help texas companies grow.

>> here's what greeted washingtonians tuesday morning as they looked at the "washington post" and the printed version of "politico." john boehner and his are public colleagues find themselves on an island. they do have ted cruz. tolden center cruise speaker boehner to take up a crusade to defend obamacare, the speaker did it. >> senator chuck schumer of new york. last,isan agreement at neither can stand ted cruz. how does a freshman senator managed to become a poster boy so early in his career? >> it is a classic example. not the first example but maybe the best example of how

politicians, when they have media, the ability to command media attention and activist it all.do not need they are contemptuous of the traditional levers of establishment power, staying in good stead with the leaders and staying in good stead with the washington crowd. it is worthless to him. he is using a model that sarah palin and others before him used but he is using it, i think, toh kind of more ability drive a policy debate that i have ever seen. we have seen these comets streak across the sky but we have never seen one exert that much clout on the issue of major consequence. shutting down the whole government. >> are we being unfair to ted cruz? >> no. he has been very successful. john is exactly right. you live by the sword, you die by the sword and you always wonder when that beam of light

is going to turn on somebody and it will be an ugly color. a it almost always happens. i suppose it might not, but i think we should wait for that moment. we who wait for disasters should wait for that moment because there are always disasters in politics. >> he is working with a weak leadership. you have mitch mcconnell, majority -- minority leader who s running for reelection. he does not have a mitch mcconnell standing up to him and in the house you have a speaker who is being led by a minority within a minority. voice much of the way in leadership and it leaves the field wide open for someone like cruz who has a strong demagogic urged to take advantage of the situation. >> we can blame senator barack obama for some of this which is why serve multiple terms in the

senate getting ready to run for president might just go for it and it is easier now than it was when barack obama was in the senate because of the weak olldership's -- leadership p we mentioned. you can prove that you are not a rino, and establishment republican by just going out freelancing. >> republican members of congress are quoting the speaker. john boehner is saying he will not allow the united states to default. there are signs that this is urging the economy. the dow dropped almost 700 points in a couple of weeks. but the republicans are willing to fund a little bit here, a little bit there, piecemeal. they were talking about funding nih, for example. kantorn we showed eric peoplere were a bunch of

in white coats. >> they are curing cancer. to pick and choose but i think they got there, prince at the world war ii memorial where one congressman is saying you should be ashamed of yourself to a national park ranger. who by the way is working there without pay to do what national park rangers do at our national monuments, to keep them safe and clean. >> those doctors who are making the case to fund children's cancer at nih, why would that not be the compassionate thing to do? >> they are trained to cherry pick this thing. they have the capitol police who are up there protecting him, working on for lowe's without getting paid. you cannot pick and choose which ones you want here. know how vulnerable they are. people dislike government in the abstract, like it in the

particular. usually the president is the one who can take advantage of this phenomenon by shining a spotlight on any particular aspect of government that people like and happens to poll well. they take a page from that playbook. fundamentally the public views the tactic as illegitimate. they keep saying we should negotiate. obama says i am not going to negotiate. your tactic of holding is hostage is illegitimate. for now a majority of the public is on obama's side of the argument. >> is there any chance this will turn around and bite the president? >> there is always that chance. this is a dangerous idea that you re-litigate a bill that already passed albeit with only democrats, not only past but the president won reelection on. when there is a republican president, this could bite him or her in the behind the same way. it is not the way we do business

and the public understands that, but i am curious whether, when we get to the debt limit, do you think there is any possibility that they could have a grand bargain or are we just getting suckered again? >> one approaches this very warily. by charlie brown going up to kick the football. half a dozen -- on probably half a dozen occasions, we had this run-up to a deal possible, there is a grand bargain. we all fall for this because we know from our own reporting that if you closed the doors and put john boehner and barack obama in ere with no cameras and total freedom to negotiate, they would be out by lunch. they issues are not that hard but the political issues are just as hard and i have to say, seeing that many attempts at a grand bargain feel there is no

reason why we would see this one. >> how did that lunch with ted cruz and the republicans go this week on the hill? we got almost real time reporting on that. they beat him up. republicans are deeply resentful of his tactics. the word that was used was demagoguery and a lot of colleagues agree with that. what it points out is the republican party is not one party, it is two. you have the establishment wing and the tea party wing and it has never been more clear. >> we are playing with fire here with the debt crisis. >> the full faith and credit of the united states is on the block here. financial meet our responsibilities, debts that we have artie incurred, to pay those will send shockwaves not only through the u.s. economy but the world economy. if the u.s. cannot be relied upon to pay instead, look at all the creditors out there who will

back away from the eyes states, domestically and foreign. john boehner understands that. as a senior member of the house, he understands that. if the crazies do not understand it, if the crazies want to send entry over the cliff, it is up to john boehner and the others to stand up to them. this is no time for political accommodation. >> there is a delusional faction among some members of the house. they say we can still pay our international debts. if you do that emma you can do that but people will not get their social security checks. that is the kind of thing we are talking about and the rest of the hteld, thisis ayatollah negotiating with us in iran and the president will look so weak, how will the others sure?e so s you will have republicans

joining together and saying don't you dare. >> that is right. the two parties within the one republican party will always -- they will be in mortal antagonism. the business wing of the republican party will not tolerate it. you see people's portfolios go down because of wall street crashes, that has more economic consequence than even the biggest tax increases. >> you have a 500, 700 point drop in that will snap them out of it. >> we just walked up to the clip the last time -- the cliff the last time. dollars. >>ends of why are they not putting more muscle into the game right now? >> because a lot of people think that the government is too big and they do not mind seeing

obama sweat when it comes to the size of government. debt, that is a big deal. >> they call it not the shutdown but the slim down. >> that is the question. they could if they had any sense which they do not have, they could declare victory and withdraw given what has happened since they came in two years ago in thes of the spending government. it has started to shrink because of their activities but they want the whole thing. going after obamacare is ==-- >> the president keeps saying the deficit is shrinking. >> it is shrinking. 2010 when, all they have to fear is a challenge. >> a lot of the tea party elected people in 2010.

there has been so much criticism on this, they mean what they say. they ran on certain ideas and they honestly mean it. people who are kind of cynical, there are republicans who say i have seen what happened to bout bennett and utah -- bob bennet t in utah. >> they have the state without theiro concentration. that is where they need to pay their attention. >> everyone is angry. >> it is crazy. the whole holding the government hostage over obamacare is ridiculous. >> a bunch of jerks running the show. >> you kind of get the drift. americans set these people to washington to govern, not to close up shop. my wife and i were driving

through zion national park in utah. if we had chosen this week we would not have been able to do so. people plan ease vacations a year ahead. you will be hearing from them i down the road. we know what happened 17 years ago with newt gingrich and the republicans. >> we are about to have hurricane season. i do not think the republicans can cherry pick fast enough to keep those parts of the government open that will anger people when they are closed. ae thought is emma there is slight chance because of the way the press covers things that there becomes an equivalent. of all my saying i will not negotiate becomes equivalent to saying defund obamacare, we are not opening the government because we like two sides to every question. as this fades into the debt ceiling crisis, i want to believe john boehner. john boehner as we said, he does not want any of this to happen but i do think that republicans will have to get something like maybe the medical device tax

rolled back or something or a promise to sit down and have a tax commission or an entitlement reform commission where they say we have had our way and let's move on. >> 72% of the american people opposed to shutting down the government even though 47% do not like the affordable care act. they do not like obamacare. >> they do not like obamacare but you have to look beyond that number to see what else is happening particularly with this rollout of the act this week. a partye thing to give and nobody comes. they gave a party which is time to sign up and they were oversubscribed. they had glitches in trying to get people signed on but the fact of the matter is they demand to know more about this affordable care act. the sentiment is going to shift. thaton't i get onto because republicans have made a serious error in trying to defund or repeal this law that is already on the books.

that is a nonstarter for them. they should have never gone down that road. >> do you think the speakership is in trouble? >> it is in trouble every day of the week. that is why he walked away from the deal several years ago. it is why -- he was proposing a clean cr and he could not get it through his own caucus. he is in trouble all the time. john probably knows who would succeed him. even the people who we thought had a knife at his back all the time, they are in trouble, too. a reporter was making the point to me the other day, the issue is john boehner personally. it is not his rivalry with eric kantor. dominant caucus inside the

republican party simply does not trust him. if he says yes to everything opposedand they will be to it precisely because it is identified with him. he has become that radioactive within his own republican party. >> that means that john boehner still can preserve his speakership by his reputation and that is to look at the question of the debt ceiling that he knows what the consequences could be if we default. john boehner can get the votes to raise the debt ceiling. >> democratic votes. >> he can get democratic votes and some republican votes but what he will get is credit for avoiding this catastrophe. more to thebe speaker not because of him personally but to the leadership if he pulls that off. >> he has been falling back on rule. beforee to have a vote

you bring it to the floor. it may be a defensive or an offense if thing on the part of the caucus that does not want these bills to get to the floor. what a tragic figure john boehner is becoming. of thein as the suon barkeep with 11 brothers and sisters. he wept at the time and he must be weeping now. how did this happen to me? >> the question is to go out with a blaze of glory, i am going to give up my speakership but we are going to move past this impasse and it must be attractive to him for the reasons margaret said. it is not like the job is that great. you're hanging onto a job where you are rick -- subject to ritual humiliations. >> he is saying we will not default on the debt. maybe this is his moment. >> the rollout of obamacare.

>> more choices, more competition, and in many cases, lower prices. most uninsured americans will find they can get covered for $100 or less. >> and terms of news coverage, the shutdown completely overshadowed the very thing house republicans are trying to reverse, the affordable care act, obamacare. there were glitches as kathleen sebelius says, that we did not talk about that because we had this other thing, this huge elephant up here. >> fox talks about it. it a lot.about >> ok, that is part of the pie. it is a big hi. >> the big high is -- pie is there was way more interest in subscribership, they were overwhelmed. as theoing to be ugly president says but if you go back and you look at massachusetts what happened when they did this, they had about a year or two when romneycare was

pretty unpopular because there were glitches it and some people said it is -- they had to pay more and they did not know how to tweak the law to do that and now it is wildly popular in massachusetts. >> republicans declare that it is unconstitutional and will increase the amount of health care and result in higher insurance premiums and it will cost nearly $600 billion in tax hikes and five hundred billion dollars added to the national debt and it will cost jobs. how much of that is true or accurate? >> the supreme court settled of theestion constitutionality of the affordable care act. the rest is assertions and responses to the assertions. they suggest that this thing will collapse them its own weight from day one. we have an till march for people to sign on. we have seen the strong display of interest. that will sort out and you'll have more people getting

enrolled, there is no question. you will see millions of people enrolled in this. in the states where the governors do not want to do this because they are red states, of course there will be no affordable health care act. however, there will be demand once it takes hold in other states. this thing will evolve over time. of course there will be costs involved. a snowball coming down the hill, you cannot get it back up? >> obamacare is not going to be reversed. take itt be chipped at, away piece by piece? >> probably not. you start shipping at some parts and you have the popular parts. you make that impossible. the issue with health has always been the same from when clinton tried to tackle it and harry truman and now obama. you have access and cost. obamacare does seems to be on path given all the interest in the sign-ups to be dealing

effectively with an access question. more people will be covered. the long-term issue is exploding costs and i think there is a general view that obamacare has not tackled that. that is the next health care debate to come. >> when they try to get these -- the board to go after the cost and look at outcomes, they are called death panels, you cannot pay doctors under this bill for dealing with people because we spend 1/5 of our health care on the last two weeks of life. republicans, it is like a hot button issue. how did health care become like abortion and guns? it is individual mandate. if it had been called individual responsibility, it might have worked better because in fact, a big part of the resistance comes from young people who did not get insurance because they did not think they needed it and they were writing the system in

emergency rooms, so they have to a big co- month for pay insurance. are you defending deadbeats, is that your meaning here? >> 45% of the american people like it and 47% do not like it. >> if you change what you call it -- >> why are they so divided about this? >> i will call it pop again do. the arguments against it as stated over and over with great passion by evil like ted cruz that this is robbing the american people, forcing people to do part-time care, etc., some of it is going to stick. i suggest in the of limitation over time, people will see through this and this will become part of the system. >> they are not irrational to oppose it from a conservative perspective. they know that when you have a

new government benefit, no matter how controversial it is first, it becomes embedded in american life so this is in fact going to lead to a much more prominent role by government in american life. it will become like medicare, medicaid, social security. it will become rooted. >> it will become accepted. 1525. >> governor rick perry will not run for reelection. >> we want every child the matter where they start to receive a world-class education. davis,member her, wendy

she filibustered against sweeping abortion restrictions. she is running for governor of texas and she has a great personal story. >> she does, she was a teenage mother whose marriage broke up, living in a trailer home then later went on to harvard law school and received her degree and is now age 50 and had an accomplished career and what we have seen happen with her is something similar to what we saw with elizabeth warren in massachusetts. she vaulted from obscurity to the national stage by being seen as a passionate and articulate defender of liberal values. i would not say that is typically the best way to get elected statewide in texas i being up passionate defender of liberal values but it is why there is interest in her. she has become a national figure, not simply at texas figure. >> texas is changing, also. cast as extremist

on the left come a she expects that, i think. because of her position on the right to choose but the numbers are changing on the ground in >> the population has increased by 25% or 30%, most of it minority. the voter turnout is not great. she has to make a good showing. proving thats is the filibuster is the quickest way to national fame and notoriety. attorney general greg abbott will win because she does seem like one issue, she will try to broaden but i do not think she can make it. >> no filibuster here. thanks. see you next week. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org--