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narrator: today on paternity court. when you look at a man and tell him the baby is not his, that's a capital "d" for doubt! the guy went to jail, so then all of a sudden, here comes the new story. it's mine, it ain't mine, it's mine. what is it? that's why we're here today, that's why i brought you here, to find out. did you ever tell your ex that he was the father? i told him it's a possibility. judge lake: you have tears in your eyes, and that's because you do really love him. yes. if this is not my baby, this ring right here don't mean nothing. (ring clatters) you may be seated. hello, your honor. this is the case of singleton v. gray. thank you. you're welcome. good day, everyone.
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mr. singleton, you claim that your wife, the defendant, miss gray, has never been honest with you about the child she claims is your daughter. during a heated argument, you claim she told you that you may not be the father of three-year-old aariyauna, and you've petitioned the court for a paternity test and declared that if you learn the child is not yours, the marriage is over. yes, your honor. judge lake: now, miss gray, you admit you do not know for sure if your husband is your daughter's biological father. you also desperately want today's results to know if you and your husband can have a future together. now, mr. singleton, how did you find out your daughter may not be yours? well, i got a phone call from her at the doctor's office, actually. we had had an argument recently, she got with him... brieauna: no, actually, you cheated on me, and that's the reason why i went with my ex. i cheated, yes,
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but you went to your ex immediately. no, we wasn't together, so it was not called cheating. so, in the beginning of the relationship, there's cheating. before there ever was a marriage. yes. judge lake: both of you. well, i wasn't cheating. we weren't together. maurice: she claims to not be cheating, but what i'm saying is is that we had an argument, she immediately went to him. like, there was no question of it, you know what i'm saying? brieauna: what was i supposed to do? maurice: what were you supposed to do? we just had an argument, that don't mean you gotta go and mess with your "friend". i went through your phone records, and i found you were talking to females at three o'clock in the morning. so, miss gray, what you're saying is you're in this relationship, and you look and see some text messages, and you realize he's up to no good. yes, so that's why i went with my ex. and we didn't have no protection. judge lake: with your ex? yes. maurice: exactly. but that was two weeks after... maurice: exactly, that's what i'm saying. you had all the respect in the world for the fact that i was cheating.
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hold on. you had all the respect in the world for the fact that i was cheating. supposedly, right? but then, the thing is, you turned around and you didn't respect yourself by putting a condom on. i've cheated many a times, i'm not gonna lie and sit up here and lie to the judge or lie to you or anybody and say i didn't cheat, but i'm gonna tell you one thing, i certainly didn't have nobody calling me about no babies. whatever. so, at some point, despite all this cheating, you get back together. yes. and that is when she called and told me from the doctor's office, that she was having a baby. so, we're on the phone, and i'm excited, i'm having a nice conversation, i'm still talking, she's quiet. i'm like, okay, well, i'm happy. i'm talking about, "oh, we're gonna put this together, "i'm gonna change." i quit cheatin', all that, that's what was going through my mind, that's what i'm telling her. and then, she pauses me and goes, "but it's not yours." i told him, i said, i was with my ex and it's a possibility she may not be yours. you laid it all on the table. oh, no, no, you didn't say it was, no, you said, "i had sex with my ex.
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"we did not use protection, "and i'm telling you it's not yours, "i don't want you around." i wanted something new. oh, so now you are admitting that what he's saying is true. (audience gasping) you told him, straight up... brieauna: yes. "this baby's not yours." i told him. i believe the only reason why we're here today is so he can get a way out. all of a sudden he wants to get a dna test... well, yeah, well, um, miss gray, when you look at a man and tell him the baby is not his, i mean, that's a capital "d" for doubt. he shoulda gave me a pass, he cheated on me. but it's not about the pass of cheating, it's about the fact that you looked at the man and told him, "it's not your child." so if there was any door of doubt to be opened, you just pressed it right on open and marched through it. exactly. (audience applauding) that's what i need you to understand. you get that, right? yes, i understand. judge lake: he's gonna always hold that in the back of his mind.
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i understand but i thought he was different. he wasn't... i'm used to dating thugs, i'm not used to dating good guys with the glasses and the good job, i'm used the going after guys that hustlin' and... that's what i like! my ex is in jail right now. let me give you a little woman tip. go after the ones with the glasses and the good job. (audience applauding) thank you. judge lake: moving on. at some point, after telling you the baby was not yours, she had to have told you that the baby was yours. exactly, your honor. judge lake: when did this happen? the guy went to jail, so then all of a sudden, here comes the new story, "oh, well, it's your baby, i added the months up right, "and this is actually your baby." so, in congruence with how i felt the first time..." in congruence? maurice: yes. you better go ahead with the argument. (audience applauding) go ahead. go ahead, now. the same way i felt when she initially called is the same way i felt
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when she told me that it was mine. okay, but why you trying to sit up here and make me look like the bad person? maurice: 'cause you are. what about all the pictures, and how you were calling other girls nicknames, and...what about that? i mean, you know, people do that. you're supposed to be at work... yeah, but... talking to females. judge lake: stop! mr. singleton, i listen to a lot of cases from this bench, but you cheatin', now you tellin' him he's cheatin', he's telling you, you're cheatin'. tit for tat, though. judge lake: cheatin' and cheatin' and cheatin' and cheatin'. that don't make it right. it is so tit for tat, and the most ridiculous part of it is that you all are stuck on the tit for tat, and not understanding that you've got a child here (audience applauding) that doesn't want any part of that game. judge lake: look at her! brieauna: and she loves him, so i don't even know why he's putting us through this. because when the baby came out, i had to have fifty million people come up and ask me a lot of questions,
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"why does she look like that?" just because she's light skinned? i even had to go and look up on like...to see different genetics, to make sure. you know what i'm saying? the only place in her face where she looks like me is right here in her eyebrows and her nose. well, i'm glad you looked up and found the answers so that you can understand that children come in all skin colors, it's genetics. do you understand? yeah. so, i do understand, however, your doubt is real. did you tell the man it wasn't his child? what was your point? i never told him that. it's mine, it ain't mine, it's mine... what is it? have you ever told your ex that he was the father? i told him it's a possibility. ain't nobody gonna send you money from jail on a possibility. i'm hoping that the other guy is the father. judge lake: it has been determined, mr. singleton, you... she doesn't know anything about all this, so i'm here to speak for her.
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? if so, call toll-free 855-tv-dna-23. that's 855-883-6223. you turned around and you didn't respect yourself by putting a condom on. i told him, i said, "i was with my ex..." straight up... brieauna: yes. judge lake: this baby's not yours. i told him. if there was any door of doubt to be opened, you just pressed it right on open and marched through it. despite all of this tit for tat going on, you married her. i was trying to do the right thing. did you tell the man it wasn't his child? what was your point? i never told him that. that is a lie. you got on the phone... i told you it was a possibility. no, you didn't say no possibility about nothing. you got on the phone that day from the doctor's office and you told me,
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plain straight out, you said... so why did you marry me then? if... because i love you. and there's no way... you love me but you talk to other females, and you sending naked pictures and stuff. i mean, i have some issues with that. we all got issues in here. but what i'm telling you is that i've made the right changes. we all got issues in here, right? maurice: everybody got issues. who don't got issues? okay, look, mr. singleton, and i'm trying to understand yours, because as you stand here in your glasses, brieauna: what about your kinky party that you wanna have? man! okay, i like to throw parties, i like to go to parties... he wanna have threesomes with me and stuff, so, i mean, if there's anybody that's nasty, it's him. you cheated on me. was i supposed to stay with you? you didn't have to name the baby after her. i didn't know! judge lake: as i was about to say, as you stand here in your suit, with your glasses, and your research, i'll tell you what is not congruent. you seem, on the outside, to be a stand-up guy. and yet miss gray says you're having kinky parties,
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sending pictures to girls, and cheating. what does your research show about that? (audience applauding) you got a point. i mean, that's a valid point. thank you. i make those sometimes. that's very true. but what i'm saying is, i took the time to make vows. i put the ring on. okay? you also took the time to talk to other females and be promiscuous. yeah, but what i'm saying is, is once i put this on, so you can't look at me bad if you're out there doing the same thing. yeah, but i didn't... and i wasn't cheating. so, since you put a ring on miss gray's finger, have you cheated? in what sense of the word "cheated"? audience: oh! let me tell you something, we don't have time for you to go research it, so we don't need you to use your book sense, use your common sense. i asked you an easy question. now, give me the hard answer. yes, your honor, i have been talking to other females while i have been married. talking? have you had sex with anyone else since you've been married?
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no ma'am, not at all. see, i haven't been doing any of that. nothing. my ex, he calls, and he has an issue with him calling, but... he calls, he sent money while she was pregnant. everything. like he was the daddy. and have you ever told your ex that he was the father? i told him it's a possibility, but he's in prison, so... you did not say possibility to him. you couldn't have said possibility to him. ain't nobody gonna send you money from jail... any man that has to sit in the house and listen to you talk on the phone with your ex, is gonna be a man that might be talking on the phone to some women at some point. maurice: exactly. this is about the lie that obviously she and him and her must have been perpetrating. i'm hoping that the other guy is the father. it's mine, it ain't mine, it's mine... what is it? you have tears in your eyes and that's because you do really love him. yes. judge lake: it has been determined, mr. singleton, you...
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a paternity test? if so, call toll-free 855-tv-dna-23. that's 855-883-6223. did you tell the man it wasn't his child? what was your point? i never told him that. i never... that is a lie. you got on the phone...
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i told you it was a possibility. no, you didn't say no possibility about nothing. have you ever told your ex that he was the father? i told him it was a possibility. alright, you know what, miss gray, i want to hear from your witness. please step up to the podium, ma'am, and state your name. my name is tyresha simmons. hello, miss simmons, thank you for joining us. what do you know about this situation. okay, first off, he is a habitual liar, okay, maurice: seriously? for one, before he got married, we worked together, and he was flirting with the girls, and... all in front of me, like he just didn't care. and that was my issue, have some respect, especially when this is my sister. okay, the second time, after the marriage, okay, he wants to have a party, well it's not his party, it was my friend's party. i didn't know he knew my friend, okay, i walk in, nobody's right there, you go to the room, and who do i see laying on their back, a stripper on top of him, no underwears, no bra, all in his face... it's a party though, i mean...
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that's not a party. that's not a party. that's not a party, that's a striptease. mr. singleton! i must be old, 'cause i haven't been to one of those parties i've never been to one of those parties. tyresha: it wasn't even his kinky party. have you been to one of those parties, jerome? no i haven't. not at all. a kinky party. it was a good party, and she shouldn't have been there, that's what i'm saying. that's all i'm saying. (all shouting) miss simmons, your point is, is that mr. singleton is not the stand-up guy he professes to be. he's putting on a persona, okay? judge lake: and miss simmons, what are you hoping for today? i'm hoping that the other guy is the father. i'm hoping that he has nothing to do with her. i understand she love him. but when you... okay, i can see the before marriage, but after marriage, come on now, you doing worse stuff than what you was doing before. have some respect for your wife. forget me, have respect for your wife! this is supposed to be your wife. you ain't supposed to have no other female jumping on top of you,
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with her pouring liquor all over herself, and you lickin' all on her. and you saw this? with my two eyes. yes, yes. and she asked me was i gonna be mad and i'm like, "well, if he's in there doing that, let him... let him do his own thing." i'm not even tripping. she's a woman like all the rest of us. alright, miss simmons, thank you so much for that. wow, yeah, sit down. please. mr. singleton, i'm running this court, okay? tyresha: thank you. you need to figure out how to run yourself and your marriage. i will, your honor, yeah. judge lake: i'm ready for the results. jerome. here, you go, your honor. your honor. yes, you got something to say? that this ring right here don't mean nothing. you can have that. (ring clatters) mr. singleton... that was dramatic! however, you married this woman knowing that this child may not be yours.
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judge lake: you married her. now he wants a way out. you took the vow. brieauna: now you want a way out. so this is what i get back, a ring? judge lake: wait a minute. if this child isn't yours, you want out. however, are you stopping to think about the child and the fact that you may be the person... brieauna: he don't care. maurice: (sighing) your honor... he can leave. it's not about that, it's about the lie that obviously she and him and her must be... must have been perpetrating. oh! oh! oh! oh! oh! maurice: this is a lie. he wants a way out, your honor. wait a minute, you stood here and said you would step up to the plate because you're a good guy. i am. you stood right here, looked at me and said, "because i'm a good guy, "i did the right thing, i stepped up to the plate." well you still at bat! (audience applauding) judge lake: that's what i'm trying to tell you. there's a young child here that's relying on you. so, it was dramatic and all, but... a marriage is about sticking through the difficult times.
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'cause he wants a way out, like i said. now, miss gray, what do you want from today? i want him to be her dad. i wanna be with him. i love him. otherwise, i mean... i woulda never went this far. i know it's a possibility and that's why i told him that it's a possibility, but, i mean, if it's that easy for him to just give his ring up then i guess he can go. you have tears in your eyes and that's because you do really love him. yes. after everything. i mean, if it's just that easy, it's like, come on, man, it's that easy, after all we've been through? when you're dealing with a child that i have been with since... so you could just walk out on her, like... what about my other daughter? all this time you've been telling me it was something different. and now you telling... now, it's mine, it ain't mine, it's mine... what is it? that's why we're here today, that's why i brought you here, to find out. i'm not gonna sit here and raise a child that ain't mine. the only way we can move this entire saga forward
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is to get the results. are you ready? maurice: yes, your honor. in the case of singleton v. gray, when it comes to baby aariyauna wallace, it has been determined, mr. singleton, you... she doesn't know anything about all of this. so i'm here to speak for her. narrator: promotional consideration provided by...
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it's mine, it ain't mine, it's mine... what is it? you have tears in your eyes and that's because you do really love him. yes. if this is not my baby, this ring right here don't mean nothing. you can have that. (ring clatters) are you ready? yes, your honor. judge lake: these results were prepared by dna diagnostics. they read as follows... in the case of singleton v. gray, when it comes to baby aariyauna wallace, mr. singleton,
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you are not... (whooping) her father. (sniffling) let it be. 'cause you been lying to me this whole time. i have not lied to you! i've kept it 100 with you, i've told you the truth, since the beginning. well, let me keep it 100 with the both of you. you all have done your tit for tat, you have done your dirt. this mess, you all have created. and there's a three-year-old little girl who now won't have the man she knows as father. she doesn't know anything about all of this. so, i'm here to speak for her. miss gray... you said you like thugs. you got a guy, you thought he was different, he let you down, he wasn't different. you're allowing men to get you off your game. yes, your honor. the baby is gonna be relying on you, and you need to get yourself together.
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just because a guy goes and jumps off a bridge, you jumping too? no. judge lake: i didn't think so. if you all decide you're not gonna be married, if you decide you're gonna walk away and you don't wanna be with miss gray anymore, that's your business. but you better be man enough to look at yourself in the mirror and say, you knew good and well there was a large chance that this child wasn't yours, and i'm not talking about because she's got red hair, i'm talking about because miss gray told you. you married her anyway. you stepped into that child's life and assumed a role, you put on the daddy hat and you wore it. when it was convenient and made sense for you. now you gotta be man enough to wear the hat because it makes sense to her. yes, your honor. that's what this courtroom is about. clean up the mess. figure it out. court is adjourned. (audience applauding) (bangs gavel) i feel that... i still want my husband.
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and i want to be back with him, i don't want him to leave me. as i walk away from paternity court, i feel like i don't have the ring no more, so i think we're done. we have a family, it shouldn't just be that easy for him to just walk away like that. i married her for a reason, and that was to do the right thing. and now... it's not my baby, so i don't know what i'm gonna do.
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narrator: today on paternity court... it's not just her father. judge lake: it's not, who you've been told is your biological father. it's a third person. my mother was, you know, she was shady. she was with somebody else. okay, i made a mistake. valerie: i put the wrong person, i didn't know. i have a terminal illness right now. i have maybe, two years to live. audience: oh! and i need to know that she's my grandchild. i wanna know that i've got another niece. this is the truth. we could never get a straight answer out of you. at all. valerie: i don't need to lie. i haven't gotten one out either. such a big blow, that whenever i was finally gonna get the chance to really meet him, you know, that he had died already. you may be seated.
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hello, your honor. hello. this is the case of ching-long v. berube. thank you. you're welcome. good day, ladies and gentlemen. mrs. ching-long. judge lake: you claim you've never had a chance to know the man you believe is your father. because he was tragically killed in a fire. you claim you struggled for many years, because your mother, ms. berube, never established paternity for you as a child. created an unstable home environment. and left you with a lifetime of unanswered questions. judge lake: you're here today asking for the results of a paternity test to determine if, the alleged dad, mr. audiss, is your biological father. now, members of the audiss family are also in court today. and will join us shortly. judge lake: your possible grandmother and uncle, claim your mother was never willing to submit to a dna test, and thus have doubts. judge lake: the case was hurried to the top of the docket, because your potential grandmother's health is failing.
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judge lake: and she wants to know, if you're really her granddaughter. before she passes away. audience: aw! ms. ching-long. is your mother really to blame for all of this? my mother is absolutely to blame, you know. i was born to the most irresponsible, selfish, immature person in the world. autumn: um, you know, she already had a three-year old, when i was born. in the same situation, not knowing who her father was as well. so, my mother should've known better. not to be sleeping with multiple people at the same time. autumn: first 10 years of my life, (audience clapping) i didn't even have a picture of this man. i took her over there several times. when we moved back finally, so i could meet him for the first time, he had passed away two years earlier. you know, this is... valerie: i took her back. supposedly, who my dad is. you know, i never got a chance to know this person. and that kills me, you know, because i heard he was such a good person. autumn: you know, me not getting to know him. you know, it's ruined my life. it's ruined all my relationships.
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judge lake: ms. berube. you say it's not your fault. but, you see how your daughter is hurting. yes, i've... bring her over there all the time to see him. valerie: he loved her. not that i remember, though. he got in a relationship with a really bad person. i got married to a very controlling man. valerie: my ex-husband moved me 1700 miles to arkansas... you know, they fight all the time... i moved back over there to california, so she could have a relationship with james. autumn: no, she depended on her ex... he'd already passed away. my birth certificate doesn't have his name on it. it has somebody else's name. that she was with at the time of my birth. valerie: that i was living with. that she was living with, so she always says... so, it's not just her father? it's not who you've been told is your biological father. valerie: it was my first... it's a third person. valerie: ...relationship before her father. no, this is my first boyfriend, before i met her father. valerie: i put him on the birth certificate when she was first born. and what i heard from her was she only put his name on the birth certificate so he could claim me on his taxes. no, that's not true. that's what she told me, and i didn't find that out, your honor. until, maybe three or four years ago. valerie: no. you just, were not sure, who the father was?
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valerie: i was not sure, because... i was still with jay, with my ex. then i got with james, two weeks later. but i never slept with the ex again. judge lake: ms. ching-long, you say that... this has ruined your life. it ruined... this has, it's... tell the court why you feel this way? autumn: it's about me being the oldest one that was in the household. she had two other girls from her husband. you know, she would, leave us all, leave me alone, to babysit them. so, either she could go to the casino. autumn: so, she could gamble anywhere, you know. that's not true. autumn: that is true. she knows it's true. valerie: she's not remembering... autumn: this is true. autumn: and then there were so many times, when her and my step-dad fought back and forth. this is not true! because i've always been a loving mother to her. i've always been her best friend. i don't even call her mother. i call her "woman". she knows that. audience: oh! autumn: she sees it in my contacts, on my phone. i don't call her, "mother". she has not earned that title. you call your mother, "woman"? yes. not my other daughters. her other, you know, daughters, don't even speak to her anymore. valerie: yes, they do. my oldest sister,
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autumn: you know, was raised on and off with her. why are you over here lying? i'm, you can talk to anybody about all this. this is all true. no, this is... i told you my mother is delusional. she'll never own up to anything and that's why we're in this predicament. (audience clapping) she won't own up to anything. what are you talking about owning up? whenever, we had moved back to sacramento, california, which is where i was born, and where we're from. autumn: she had told me, "hey, you'll finally get to meet your dad." it was 1999. i was 10 years old. um, whenever we tried to contact him, turns out he had passed away two years earlier, in the fire. and my mom, she was devastated. she was crying and she was uncontrollably this and that. but, i felt nothing. i didn't know this person. and how, i just, how can i be sad for somebody, that i don't know and that i don't know for sure it's my father. i felt bad because i felt that he could be a good father. autumn: it depressed me... in your court papers, you said you were writing messages. yes, there was a period of time. when i was just so depressed, i wanted to feel, you know. like i guess what she felt, sadness and stuff. so, you know, i would take off the sheet of my twin mattress.
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and i would write all these messages. autumn: like, you know, um... and he had died with his son. an 18 month old son. so, it was him and the baby that died together. autumn: so, this was a brother. you know, potentially a brother i had, i never got to know either. so, i would write messages like... you know, "james, if you can hear me, are you really my dad?" you know, "do you love me? did you ever..." autumn: you know, why wasn't he around? you feel emotional now, because you just... judge lake: feel like you lost valuable time for no reason? (stuttering) yeah, it's like, i told you. i'm nothing, i'm not like my mom and if, this person was my father, you know, i didn't get to know him. so, it's just... you know, me writing that stuff. i was so depressed. and i just wanted him to contact me and let me know it was all right. and, you know, tell me why he wasn't around, you know, and all this... valerie: and that she always... it was too hard on me. and not having that opportunity really hurt? autumn: yes, it did. judge lake: it still hurts, i see. you know, it was such... it was such a big blow.
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that whenever i was finally gonna get the chance to really meet him, autumn: you know, that he had died already. ladies, we have some other witnesses, that i would like to hear from. uh, ms. berube, if you would please come and take a seat. here, in the witness stand. right there, please. and jerome, i need you to please go get mrs. myers, judge lake: with her son, mr. audiss. hello. go up here to the left. you go in, first. she goes in second. judge lake: now, this is your potential grandmother, and your potential uncle. judge lake: please stand at the podium. hello, thank you so much for joining us. sure. thank you, judge. kathy: the man that she put the name on the birth certificate. the guy she lived with, when she got pregnant, was at the hospital. my mother was, you know, she was shady. she was with somebody else. okay, i made a mistake. i put the wrong person. i didn't know. we can never get a straight answer from you, at all. valerie: this is the truth. i don't need to lie. i haven't gotten one out either.
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judge lake: it has been determined. judge lake: mrs. ching-long. james audiss... judge lake: your mom is crying for you.
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) if so, call toll-free, 855-tv-dna-23. that's 855-883-6223. i told you my mother's delusional. it's not just her father. it was my first relationship before her father. it's a third person. it's such a big blow. that whenever i was finally gonna get the chance to really meet him, you know, that he had died already. now, ms. myers, i want to ask you to tell the court about when autumn was born. judge lake: what do you remember?
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well, i remember being told that valerie was pregnant. um, and when she actually went into labor kathy: she called me. i know she says she didn't. but she called me. and wanted us, told us we couldn't go to the hospital. valerie: that's not true. greg: we weren't allowed in the hospital. and what was the reason? she didn't give us one. she just said there were other people there. i lost a bucket of blood. i never called anybody. greg: you talked to mom that morning. no, i called nobody. greg: yes, you did. no, i didn't. she called him at work. judge lake: okay, i called them in. let's give them a chance to speak and tell their side of the story. kathy: james knew she was in labor. but we can't go. we don't know where she's at. and i said, "well, she told me we couldn't go." so, i didn't see the baby until she was about two months old. valerie, it is true, you know it. valerie: i never called him. (scoffs) then how did we know... my mother, she'll never own up to anything. valerie: i'm owning up, i'm here. james called me at the same time. autumn: mom, you need a wake-up call. you need a wake-up call. you need to finally face the truth. okay, let's get some order in the court.
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i tried to have a paternity test done from the get-go. i offered to pay for it. valerie: no, we set it up with you. you changed your phone number. judge lake: ms. berube. please, let the witness speak. i'll give you a chance to respond. we stayed in the same place. my address has not changed in 30 years. judge lake: ms. myers and mr. audiss. are you, stating to the court that because no one ever called you, or because you were told not to come. judge lake: you assumed, "well, he's not the father then, "or they would want us there"? i didn't assume he wasn't the father, but... judge lake: why did you think you weren't allowed to come? she told me we weren't allowed to be at the... (crowd gasps) valerie: no, 'cause i didn't talk to nobody. greg: she didn't want us there because her ex was there. you can ask my parents, they're not here as witnesses. her boyfriend was there at the hospital. my parents were at the hospital. this is not true. was your ex at the hospital? no, he wasn't. the man that she put the name on the birth certificate. he's on the birth certificate though, that's funny. the guy she lived with when she got pregnant, was at the hospital. we weren't allowed in. valerie: he wasn't living with me anymore. was he at the hospital? no, he came to the hospital after, but he wasn't there when i had the baby. i didn't allow him to be there.
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judge lake: what did you feel like ms. berube's motives were at that time? money. i have a terminal illness right now, i have maybe two years to live, and i need to know that she's my grandchild. greg: i wanna know that i've got another niece. judge lake: it has been determined, mrs. ching-long, james audiss... judge lake: you're momma's crying for you. autumn: is... rich, dark chocolate meets sweetened soft centersrkable tastes come together. flavored with exotic fruit juices. it's chocolate combined in ways you've never experienced before. discover brookside.
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that's 855-883-6223. was your ex at the hospital? no, he wasn't. he's on the birth certificate though, that's funny. the guy she lived with when she got pregnant was at the hospital. she was shady, she was with somebody else. okay, i made a mistake, i put you were living with another man the whole time. valerie: the wrong person, i didn't know. if the gentleman who's on the birth certificate was allowed to come visit and you thought he could potentially be the father... valerie: exactly. why is it that mr. audiss and ms. myers... her son came to my house three days after she was born to see her. that's what we were determined... autumn: yeah, just probably to see what i looked like, to see if i was his or not, how was he supposed to know? my mother was... she was shady, she was with somebody else! that's not the truth. autumn: somebody that... you were living with another man the whole time. valerie: a hundred percent. i'm lying about nothing. we tried to get... valerie: i'm not lying! okay, let's get some order, i can't hear everyone at once. we tried to get a test on her while she was still pregnant.
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valerie: no, you didn't. you never came to my house with the test, you never called the doctor, you never set up nothing, don't even lie. you guys wanted everything to go to cody, not autumn. this is the truth. we could never get a straight answer out of you. at all. i haven't gotten one out, either, pretty much. we didn't hear a thing from her until after my brother's death and it became a social security issue. valerie: why didn't you contact me and tell me he died? two years passed. did you guys call me? to tell kathy: we didn't know where you were. me he died? god, i loved that man. greg: you left the state! kathy: you were in arkansas, ms. berube. we didn't even know where you were. yeah, it's not my fault my ex-husband moved me out there. it's not my fault. valerie: i came back in 2000 so she could have a relationship with her father. you made no effort. i moved back, i told my ex-husband i was moving back so she could see james. i'm not even... judge lake: listen. what is disturbing, to me, is how much the focus has gotten off of autumn, who is standing there, still trying to figure out who her father was.
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i want to know my family, if they're my family, i want to know, now. i want to know myself. yes, ma, james has passed away. mister, let's have control in this court room. i did get to meet them when i was ten years old, after james had passed away. we got in contact with them, greg came to pick me up, he drove me and james' son, we all went up to kathy's house for thanksgiving and i had a wonderful two, three days with them. greg: yeah, we drove all the way to washington. they were so warm and welcome but we moved around so much after that, i lost contact with them. we didn't have their number. this is the first time i have seen them in 13 years. these people should have been in my life. i haven't seen her since she was little. we set up the test, kathy's number changed, she says this, but... i don't know if it's 'cause she got sick... greg: never heard from a lawyer. i have lived in the same house. the only reason she's ever wanted a test after he passed was social security reasons, that's it. she wanted to do it valerie: i went to coroner's office. before i was 18 so she could get social security money for me. because she needed nice clothes. audience: wow. woah. the only reason... judge lake: okay, let's get that fact into evidence, say that again?
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right after we had found out he passed away, she contacted social security, trying to get social security for me. valerie: his ex was getting it for her son with him. autumn: yeah, but they were together and there was no doubt in that paternity. with me, with another man being on my birth certificate, and then she... judge lake: and what did you trying to get social security for a dead man. think ms. berube's motives were at that time? money. valerie: well, child support's the law, hello? money to help take care. everybody knows that, child support is the law. who broke the law? kathy: who broke the law? child support's not the law. valerie: i said "child support "is the law" and every child who's born enters child support. and there's a district attorney letter that i have with james' name on it. but there's a birth certificate with somebody else's name on it. exactly, because ever since... which gave him, and gave us no legal right to it either. he's not here to defend himself, but he would tell you, me and him, in our hearts knew she was his daughter, and we were gonna prove it. that's what she says, but he's passed away, we'll never know if that's how he felt. my ex-husband moved me across the country. how was i supposed to do it? greg: but you made no effort to contact us. i made an effort, i didn't have your phone number, i had to go through neighbors to find you guys... okay, ms. berube. i'm trying to understand from their perspective
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what they believed your motives were. as you talk about how they didn't show up, and this person didn't do this, and that person didn't do that. i'll tell you what my... no, i don't want you to tell me anything. i want you to allow other people it won't be the truth anyway. just to speak for a moment. i want to just look at you, ms. myers, 'cause i see sometimes you becoming very emotional, and i can tell that this is important to you too. i have a terminal illness right now, i have maybe two years to live, and i need to know that she's my grandchild. i want to spend time with her. i want to know her. i want to know that i've got another niece. i'd like to know that, iron-clad, 100%, so she can be a part of my life. kathy: and it's not that we wouldn't have loved her before but there were so many stories being told, and she was so far away... there's so much doubt that i don't blame them at all for not... you know. they didn't know for sure, i wouldn't... kathy: we've wasted so many kathy: years, i mean, there's so much time... ms. ching-long, what would it mean for you for them to be your family? it's 'cause, my mom... we don't have a lot of family.
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my mom's parents, they roughly get along, not really, and... i have sisters and they don't get along with her either, i'm the only person my mother has. like i said, i'm not like her, and i wanna know who i'm like. what i've been told about james was that he was nice and kind, and he laughed a lot, he smiled a lot, and that is just like me. judge lake: yes. i wanna know if this person is mine so i can get to know my grandmother and my uncle. judge lake: that's wonderful. absolutely. there's more family, i don't know where the other half of me comes from. so, i believe this court has heard enough, and it is time to hear the results. jerome, do you have the envelope? jerome: i do. here you go. now, before i read these results, i want everyone to understand how the court was able to get this dna testing done, even though mr. audiss, her alleged father, is deceased. it's called reconstructive dna and just so people understand, i asked dr. baird from dna diagnostics to explain briefly
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how this process is done. if you'd look at the monitor here. judge lake. reconstruction testing is the kind of testing where we test relatives of a deceased alleged father, to determine if he could be the biological father of a child. thank you to dr. baird for that. all right, let's go to the results. judge lake: in the case of autumn ching-long, it has been determined, mrs. ching-long, james audiss... your momma's crying for you. narrator: promotional consideration provided by...
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arrator reading) what did you feel like ms. berube's motives were at that time? money. i have a terminal illness right now, i have maybe two years to live, and i need to know that she's my grandchild. i wanna know that i've got another niece. all right, let's go to the results.
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in the case of autumn ching-long. mrs. ching-long, james audiss... was your father. (applause) (sobbing) i'm so glad you finally know. i know. kathy: i have a bear for you that was his. (sobbing) this is probably the first thing that my mom's ever told me that actually... turned to be true. if he wasn't my dad i would have been heartbroken. autumn: i mean, he... judge lake: your momma's crying for you. you wanna step down and hug your daughter? (sniffs) you know, this has been so hard for me.
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what do you have there, ms. myers? this bear was james', and... that was your son's? yes, and then i have his birth bracelet has his birth picture in it. audience : aw... judge lake: aw, that is beautiful. (audience applause) see, i told you i didn't lie. ms. myers? kathy: yes? how do you feel now, having a piece of your son here with you today? since he's passed she doesn't have him anymore, she can have me now. now i have her. (laughs) she's a lot like james, she's a lot like him. i have my mom's coloring, my mom is part hispanic and i have dark hair and dark eyes, and james was blonde-haired and blue-eyed, and that's why there was always kind of a doubt, but it turns out i am his. judge lake: there is no doubt now. he never doubted it. well, this court is all about bringing families together, and this is a beautiful sight to see. finally. thank you, your honor. it's so long overdue. good luck to you all, and just enjoy each other.
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we will. judge lake: court is adjourned. (gavel bangs) (applause and cheering) you've gotta come visit us, come see us. i know. that's wonderful, you're right, and i'm so glad that we know so we can... go from here. i feel that paternity court, it changed my life. i know my other half now, i know where i came from. i know why i look like this, i know why i am the way i am. this has been the best day of my life, finally knowing who my father is. best day for us too.
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