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>> you have heard the website has not worked as smoothly. >> i could not get past the login. >> this week, the obamacare website blues. >> would you consider resigning? >> the government shutdown, lessons learned. >> there will not be another shutdown. >> immigration reform, does it have a chance? eavesdropping on angela merkel. the chancellor is not happy. >> spying among friends is never acceptable. >> and who is plugging his book on "the daily show"? >> do you look back on some of these writings and think, what was i thinking? >> it is worse than that. [laughter] >> as we have noted here the

shutdown obscured what should have been a huge bonus for the president's republican adversaries. the screwed up obamacare website. this week they were making up for lost time. >> this exchange has been a complete and total failure and it is unacceptable. >> the problems, crashes, glitches, system failures that have defined open enrollment. >> i am shocked. shocked. >> i will not yield to this monkey court. or whatever this thing is. >> this is not a monkey court. >> i am not yielding. >> whatever a monkey court is, you get the drift. we are told that the affordable care act is the president's signature legislative achievement. how did the obama administration managed to sabotage its promised accomplishment and why would the administration hand the republicans a beautifully giftwrapped package? on the website's rollout. >> they are not the greatest

executor of public administration which is a great duty that presidents have. this president has taken more stuff into the white house. every president since jimmy carter has done that. if you are going to do that you better have a system for doing it right but neither he nor secretary kathleen sibelius or the head of cms was good at doing that. >> software is hard. i see that as someone who flunked math. the fbi could not get it right for years. running an i.t. program. walter pincus had a piece on how the defense department wrote off $1 billion when they could not get their parts coordinated right for overseas so the government has been screwing up software for a long time. the problem was not computers, it was human nature.

the unwillingness to deliver bad news. somebody should have warned the president that this was not working. people do not want to deliver the bad news. >> the first rule of public administration. the six p's. proper planning prevents pitifully poor performance. the other word is not "terribly," but i will not say that. where it should have worked is that the department of health and human services. they did not have this thing laid out well and they realized at the level the word did not filter up as bad and the president is going along happily talking about what will happen on october 1 only to have it blow back in his face. >> how damaging is this to the administration? >> it is unsettling and a new, complicated, revolutionary plan

for health care and people need reassurance and this is not reassuring. after three years of preparation there was a legitimate expectation that the rollout and we would be ready and they made it good point. the volume is too much and she said what about the flowers on valentine's day, did they get traffic, does amazon get traffic before christmas and there was an expectation there was going to be this kind of intense volume. >> i saw a figure of 375 million dollars for couple of this contract. apple developed this thing for less than that. >> i am touched by the sorrow that they are expressing over the failure of people to get access to health care.

and they're calling for the secretary of hhs to resign, kathleen sibelius. the tea party wants to give her the medal of honor for what happened to this program. >> one of the people who called for resignation was pat roberts from her home state who worked for her father-in-law for 20 years. >> he is worried about a primary. the relationship between the two of them had soured before this because he blocked kathleen sibelius' husband from the judgeship. >> brownback did. >> they both did. that is not worth debating. the point here is he has the primary challenge and nobody is going to get to the right of this guy, not this year. and so all is fair in love and war and politics and that is

what is happening in this case. >> it is sad. pat roberts is 77 years old. he was constantly worrying in that administration. he was the bob dole republican. sam brownback was the tea party conservative and is now governor. they had a lot of tension between them. pat roberts as kansas has moved red, pat roberts has turned maroon. he is so terrified of a primary challenge that he turned his back on bob dole and made international because home schools and tea party people created this myth about it and he turned his back on them. >> there's something very sad. what you can see is there is -- people do want health care.

they're quite desperate for it. they're getting up in the middle of the night to try to get it. the republicans here do not want obamacare. i got that. it is the law and it could be made better. it could be made better from their point of view. it definitely needs to be -- tweaked is not the right word. there are all kinds of things, even just regular legislative changes cannot be done. >> it will take time but it is going to get fixed. it makes government look bad. >> the contractors say they warned the administration were not ready but apparently they did not take the warning or the warning did not make it to the oval office. if people knew it was not ready, why not ask congress for more time to make it ready? embarrassment? >> they would have walked into the same argument. let's delay this thing and they would have to acknowledge there

was a problem. that to me is shortsighted. >> they will study this as speaking truth to power. as something that powerful people need and that did not happen in this case. it is almost a classic. >> the deadline has been delayed so there has been -- with the republicans have accepted this when they were going through their contortions over the losing down of the government, probably not. that would have been satisfactory and there was a reluctance. it was an answer to it. a two word answer called single- payer. >> the shutdown fallout and the -- we keep hearing that this moremake insurance much expensive.

there are claims and counterclaims about it. >> there are and most of them upon examination do not stand up to daylight. it is kind of fascinating because the republicans have wanted this to fail. they have opposed it at every turn. as you pointed out they stepped on the story of the rollout which was -- make no mistake. we are going to judge this and mike leavitt, the former secretary of hhs pointed out , thewhen medicare part b prescription drug rollout, they had problems and the warehouse was concerned. it will be whether a not -- eight months from now people are covered, whether they feel it is working and they feel it is a good deal and the kids are covered and pre-existing conditions are covered, that will be the test, does it work? thet the hearings we heard

flower companies do not close down and fail to fill orders on valentine's day or amazon at christmas. in fairness to the administration, they miscalculated and the world miscalculated the number of states run by republican governors who would refuse to participate. dirty for. -- 34. >> 36. >> they cannot pick it up because they are different states with 10 insurance providers and some have only two. it is extremely confiscated. >> we have to give it time to see if it works. there is expert opinion that says even if it does work it is flawed. it does not do enough about cost control which is a big problem as we go forward. we have to figure out how to control costs and maybe this act

will do that but as i read op- ed's and so forth, a lot of smart people think it is not going to do well and -- >> if you think people react like stuck pigs when there is a plan like this, wait until you put in cost control. >> that is an issue. but an issue. will they be able to under this plan and roll healthy people, particularly healthy young people. the plan is not going to work if it is just the uninsured who may come to the plans with health problems. you need to have healthy people to balance. >> they will not enroll they cannot get on the website. >> even if they get the website up and running, will they be able to get there? the questions will have to be answered. >> until the whole thing goes down. that could be the fatal flaw. not sign upple do they are doomed. penalty, taxbe a

if you do not do it. all that will have to rollout over the next six to nine months as we do this. you into the 2014 campaign. it is hard to see how that will not be an issue in 2014. in senate races and house races as well. >> we are going to words single- payer. it is a question of how we will get there. >> i will have to say one thing. the democratic conference is talking about the republicans, they are engaging and hypocrisy, it is easy to say there -- they are engaging in hypocrisy but that would be an insult to hypocrites. >> the shutdown fallout. >> i join the american people their ir discussed -- in disgust. >> even though the website problems or page one, the

american people are still upset by the shutdown. a new abc news/washington post poll echoes an earlier one. the majority of americans are angry with republicans but they are fed up with government. confidence in the economy is in the cellar and large applications are down as housing appeared to rebound and although the unemployment rate fell to a five-year low, 7.2%, the economy added fewer jobs than economists had anticipated. into thefallout carry 2014 elections? >> as of today, yes, it will. it is not to the point you made, that people of democrats. it is that they'd dislike democrats a lot less than they republicans. among white-collar white voters, among 21% increase and

college-educated women who are crucial to the democrats, 15%. even among seniors who have been the cornerstone of republican surge in off year elections, it is up another 15. the republican rant is in the cellar. for now.but it is the election is a long way off and people have short memories. i saw this statistic the other day. the largest number of seats the president's party has gained since 1862 is nine. they have to gain 17. >> they will get deluded into thinking they could win control of the house. the democrats will think, here is our chance, people hate republicans so much, here is our chance. because of that they will not be willing to do -- anything brave about fixing the fiscal problems. it will be politics from here on in. it is going to be attempts to

shame the republicans and so obama is going to miss an opportunity to do what people like which is to do something bold that requires political proper mice, tax reform, going after entitlement programs. that is what the public would like. he is not going to do that. instead it will be pure politics, let's rub out the republicans. >> 17 is a big number and a lot of those folks back home think their people did exactly the right thing in cleaning -- including ted cruz's people in texas. >> the president is going to go out and raise money for the upcoming campaign for the house races. i do think the sense of dissatisfaction with washington and the republicans will outlive the problems they're having with the rollout of the health security act. facing both will be parties foursquare when they

come back in january. they have some progress can be made on the budget front. neither one want the situation they were in last year this year with this kind of impasse. evan's point,ng when the republicans announced there will be no immigration bill i'm a it passed the senate overwhelmingly. obama cannot do it single- handedly. i just point out this. the republicans problem is a lot. six presidential elections, they have lost the public -- popular vote. up 63 house picked seats. the problem is this. 80 7 million people voted in 2010. 129 million people voted in 2012. you have 42 million people. people, the 42 million

18 million are hispanics, african-americans, and asians. another 8 million of them who did not vote in 2010 and voted in 2012 are voters between the age of 18 and 29. 40republicans can keep million people from voting -- >> they are trying. >> barack obama was on the ballot. that is why they came out. they arehe problem facing. >> the problem is that washington is focused on politics, partisan politics. >> what the public want's, what the people want is compromise, compromise leading to fixing real problems. they do not like this focus on politics but that is what they are going to get because the democrats think they have a chance to crush the republicans. > >> will immigration make it, they are talking about ringing up some smaller bills. >> the president has given his

price or his dropdead point that it has to include a path to citizenship and i think that right now is unacceptable to majority. >> immigration is a wedge issue with republicans. you have a group of republicans who are dead set against doing anything on immigration. you have some like john boehner and cantor who would like to do something. they feel the pressure to get something done but i am not sure they can pull it off themselves. theyying on our allies and are upset. >> all i can tell you is what the president told the chancellor. the united states is not on a is not and will not monitor communications. is not in there. >> gentlemen do read each other's mail. surreptitiously and otherwise.

i spent some time in germany with the united states embassy. we had a lot of countermeasures through the country and it is not just to keep the russians from coming in or the east germans. the french had an interest in what we were doing to the point where they had one of their own agents working inside of our embassy for a number of years. askound out about it and them to take the agent out and how did we find out, because we their agent within agency. things got very messy. a guy named snowden has blown the lid off of this thing and here we are. >> i continue to think that snowden is a traitor and there are stories on friday about joint intelligence operations with countries that are not our allies that may not get -- may

now get blown and that can get people killed. think hisd that, i do activities have revealed that the nsa became, i would not say rogue. mischief reveals alliances that had been secret. >> there's more to come and it will show liaison relationships where we work with other foreign intelligence services. we need to do that. those things are important. there are certain secrets that are just assumed, have been assumed for a long time and everyone knows about it but you do not mess with it. here comes snowden and rubs it in our faces that we are spying

on our friends and working with people who do not want to be seen to be working with us and that is a problem. i am all for transparency and everything. but there has been this long- term assumption that this goes on and we are not going to talk about it. now we are talking about it. >> shouldn't we be concerned that the contractors spend more time and money guarding the chicken coup? >> we should be. what you have to understand is when the revelations of this, the political implications in the country, in germany, if this had come out before angela merkel's election, it would have an effect upon that campaign. you get the feeling with the nsa, or at least i do, that we did it because we could do it. we have this capacity and looks just do it. the point that nina made, is there introspection or consideration, it obviously has

affected relations with brazil. that is an inarguable disclosure. >> this vacuum cleaner practice, it is disturbing to a lot of people. >> let me put it in with the idea that they will go through it and find these nuggets. if they happen to learn through one of those operations about the possible surreptitious behavior on the part of that government, it would be of interest. the thing is this is the kind of stuff you do not disclose because you compromise friends. a country that allows us to work with them. >> we will look at the virginia governor's race next. >> what was the growth process like?

>> i was once a liberal. [laughter] >> the earliest writings showed hope. >> and then came change. >> charles krauthammer plugging his book. the fallout not doing ken cuccinelli not any good. his hard-line positions on cultural issues turning women off. arerichmond times dispatch so fed up with these guys they will not endorse anything -- anybody. is this a bellwether for 2014, this election? >> of course it is. just think about this historically, if you would. patrick henry, thomas jefferson, james monroe, ken cuccinelli, terry mcauliffe.

those are the governors of virginia. darwin lives. there was one good line in the debate when cuccinelli said of terry mcauliffe he is all puppy and no plan. it will not turn the race around. the significance of it nationally is this. the last nine elections, the virginian voters have chosen a governor who belonged to a party not of the president and the white house. if terry mcauliffe wins, this will upset that tradition. and i think he will. virginia voting counter and established virginia as a purple state. >> the lesson with republicans which they may not learn from this is that you cannot come up with candidates who are so far to the right or need to be so extreme that they're going to win in some statewide election. we saw this happen in delaware and in arizona. and missouri.

they have to learn that people like cuccinelli are not going to make it. unless you are in a place like mississippi. >> i talked to charlie cook the other day. if they nominated a centrist republican they would be five points ahead. >> you have a tea party, far right guy that everyone hates on one side but on the other you have a fixture whose life's ambition was to be a fundraiser. ambition is whose to be a fundraiser? >> the lieutenant governor was considered running as an independent and did not. there are people who wish he had. >> thanks. you get the last word. see you next week. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org--