>> working my day job, still. >> working your day job. i mean, that's ridiculous. >> i get to stay home with the kids now. i don't have to go back to work. >> isn't that amazing? >> yeah. >> guys, we're now inside of this property, and let me tell you something. if you walk around this property and you see what shape it's in, this house here is a bank-owned foreclosure that is in really bad shape. but i got to tell you something. this right here is a $65,000 profit after i touch this up and do a full rehab on it, because i know how to do it step by step so, i want you to understand that these are the things that, when you come to my free live event, that you are gonna see, you're gonna learn, and you're gonna understand. it's not what you see. it's not what you smell. it's what you know. come to my free live event, guys. dial that number. come, take action. it's in your area. and i'm gonna show you the abc's of real estate, and i'm gonna help you be able to find properties just like this in your area so you can take advantage of one of the best real-estate markets that we've ever been in. >> what can someone expect when

>> you're going to learn what opportunities are out there in real estate. there's a lot of economic principles that we talk about in market conditions and stuff that the person coming in knowing nothing about real estate -- and i have a lot of folks coming in that are very savvy and been in the business a while, and there's always something for somebody there. now, not to mention, we give away some really cool gifts, and we got the best trainers and crew in the business. and so when you come, you're gonna learn something there's a whole lot of things that make us different and more real, and i want people to come decision for themselves if they want to change their life or take something to another level. and if not, you're still gonna gain. it's a win-win for them. as you continue to watch this show, you're going to learn a few strategies we teach at my free two-hour real-estate workshop. things like how you can access your 401(k) and your ira to invest in real estate. you don't have to keep making small returns on your money, and

secure and profitable real-estate deals. listen, most people don't even know that you can do that. it's the best-kept secret, and these are secrets that you're gonna get. that's just one of them. come to the event, and we're gonna show you more. >> one of the best things, i think, that i've enjoyed out of this whole deal is nick showing me how to use my ira money as a self-directed ira to buy real estate. before, you know, i was dependent on the stock market and i was watching it. i'd lose $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 in a week, and it was like -- it was driving me crazy. now, since i've rolled it over into this self-directed ira, i can buy real estate like this house i bought with my ira. doing all the rehab comes out of my ira. and what i make on it goes back into my ira, and i'll make about $55,000 on this house. so, that's 30% in three months. my ira, say, if i had $150,000 in there, now it's $210,000 in

or three houses or four houses going at one time with my own money and make, you know, 120% a year on my money. >> it was surprising for me to find out we could use our retirement to invest in real estate, like our ira and also 401(k). >> do you know that 90%-plus of the population does not know that? they do not know that you can take your 401(k) and your ira and actually invest within it. u flip houses, you can hold cash-flow property. so, for instance, let's say you have $100,000 in your ira and you find a property that's $100,000 even. that ira can hold that property inside of it. and you can grow your retirement with brick-and-mortar assets that instead of being in the stock market, if that's where you choose not to be -- 'cause let's face it. if you have your money in cash, at a cash position, with depreciation and inflation, you

exuberant amount or you're a really high earner. and in most cases, that's not the way it is for most people, so you have to invest. if you own a piece of property, it's an appreciating asset that, for example, all the rents that come in go back into your ira. and let's say the market goes from $100,000 to $150,000 in the next five years. that property gains $50,000 in equity. well, that means your ira just went up by $50,000, and all that income that comes in is tax-deferred until you deal with taking the income later. so it is a major vehicle of investing that my investors learn coming through my trainings. and again, just by coming to the free event, they're gonna know more about that. and the reason why your financial planner does not want you to know that is because if you do not invest in stocks, then they don't make commission. they don't make money on your money. so they don't want your money, which is the key word -- your money -- to be able to be shifted somewhere that you can hold real estate and make money elsewhere. so it really is the best-kept

people need to know it and then make a decision for themselves. does that make sense? >> that's amazing. >> one of the things that really -- it amazed me -- that i found out is that close to 90% to 95% of the people listening to my show and my students that come through my academy do not know that you can use your ira and 401(k) to invest in real estate. ? >> announcer: if you're looking to make money while taking control y future, then listen up. nick vertucci, self-made millionaire, has a life-changing opportunity for you. as the host of l.a.'s number-one real-estate radio show, author, and one of tv's most trusted real-estate investment experts, nick is hosting a unique, free two-hour workshop, teaching people like you how to build wealth in today's real-estate market. you'll learn how to flip and hold income-generating properties. whether you have great credit,

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>> you have to be able to turn it into dollars, 'cause that's why we're here. i mean, we are here to learn how to make money. is that right? >> yes! >> correct? we want to better our lives. >> he showed us, within 30 minutes, how to make $90,000 a month. >> what really got us excited was the fact that we would learn how to make money right away, which none of the other companies were able to do. you start showing me how to make money right away [snaps fingers] i'm in. >> i know you're watching at home r n with preston morrison from denver, colorado. preston has an amazing story. your story is one of -- this is the reason i started this business, to help people like you get into this business. and for you, you transitioned from the military, and i'm gonna let you talk about that for a couple minutes. but take a second and share your story and share the deals that you've done. >> all right. my name is preston morrison. i'm from denver, colorado. >> yeah. >> and i just went from a position of just kind of being

really knowing how to get out of that. i was working overseas for years. i was working in the middle east. and just going from a position of needing a change in my life, a new direction, i just happened to come across your radio ad. >> yeah. >> listened to it. and just to be from that position of what i was doing, into the fact that i have successfully made money in real estate now, using your system, after having zero knowledge to start with it. >> tell us about that first deal that you did and what you made on it, just in your own words. >> so, i went through nick training. i followed the system that he laid out for you in his academy. and going back to denver, it's an area that everyone tells you you can't even do real estate in right now. it's just too saturated. there's no market for it. >> yeah, don't you love that, especially when you know better? >> just following with what you told me, you say to follow these steps, you're gonna get a certain outcome. and with that, i made just over $27,000 on my first deal. >> oh, man. >> it was by myself. didn't have any partners going in on it, and so... >> that's great.

>> well, i'm happy for you. i'm going to tell you, that is going to start. and you know this, because now you got a bunch of other deals in your pipeline that you shared with me, and you're gonna gain momentum. and your first door is always the toughest, and you've done that, and happened pretty quick for you. and now we're just gonna have nothing but momentum. and we're gonna know each other for a very long time. and i'm very proud of you and i appreciate your service, and thank you for doing it. look, there you have it. preston is, and has, changed his life with this training and this business. if you're at home, watching thca call that number and take action. that's the one thing you did that i couldn't make you do. everything else -- >> never imagined i'd be here right now. >> i know. i get it. and that's just that one thing that i can't do for you. but make the call and dial that number. you really have absolutely nothing to lose. it's a free event. it's two hours. you're gonna learn some incredible secrets to this market and some things you don't know. so call the number right now, and i will see you on the other side of success.

education, it didn't take me long to realize that i needed to find something to ensure my family's financial future. and like my law-enforcement background, i realized that you needed a system. and as a police officer, following a system meant that you save lives. it's the same thing for succeeding in real estate. if you follow my systems, you'll save your financial life. this easy-to-follow three-step system will provide the guidance and protecon to safely create the financial security that your family needs and deserves. one of the things that i'm gonna bring you is reality, not reality tv. let me tell you what i mean by that. i started this nv real estate academy because i want to give back to someone just like me. i owned a technology business. i mentioned that earlier. and i lost my business between the year 2000 and about 2004. toughest years of my life. i lost, guys, everything.

and i had lost all my wealth. and i took myself, in a 10-year period, and i've invested in so much real estate, one door at a time. and i've created millions of dollars of wealth for me and generations to come. and i want to give that back to you now. it means a lot to me, and i really want to help you. come to the event. i'll show you how to do that. i'll show you how to do it safely. and i'll show you how to do it with integrity. now, i know many of you are still thinking that you need great credit or loads of money to do this business in real estate. well, that's just not true. in fact, a large number of my most successful students have used private money lenders that they have gained access through my training, making large profits and never using a penny of their own money. >> so, that was my scenario. i couldn't find any time. but i was able to put my money to work where other people did have time, and they were able to get into deals. we engaged nv real estate academy. very short amount of time that i found myself in four active deals.

12% return on cash. nothing have i ever made a 15% or 18% gain in a matter of three months. much better than i've gotten in the stock market. >> you see, investors and their money are always searching for the right investments. once you plug in to my system, you'll be introduced to investors that are looking to fund real-estate deals. they are in almost every city in our country, looking to put their capital to work through people just like you. >> they walk you through a plan years. >> whatever you do, whether it's real-estate investing, whatever business you get in, you have to have a passion for it and you have to believe. your mind is the most powerful and strongest muscle that we have. and if we believe in something and see it, then all you have to have is the system and the right approach to it, and there's nothing that can stop you. >> announcer: time is running out. if you are looking to make money while taking control of your financial future, it's time to

you can learn to get in, get out, and get paid. he found the success he was looking for through real estate, and now so can you. so don't wait another second. pick up the phone and make the call before this life-changing opportunity passes you by. >> our minds -- i told you this on day one -- they are so powerful. they hold the key to our success. i'm telling you guys, this isn't just an emotional ride for you. this is the real deal, 'cause i want you t more to this than just real estate. you need to plug in to us. we are gonna be here for you. >> [ voice breaking ] this means more to me than you realize, you know? i want to make money, yes, but really, i want to be able to give back to my family and to other soldiers. >> it can't even be said enough that just a few months ago, we'd never considered being associated with real estate and investing in it.

that's been placed on society and their understanding of how to make money. we can't appreciate it enough that now our ceiling is the heavens and we can support our family and enjoy the time that we have with them through doing something that we like doing. it's just great. so thank you. >> thank you. i would just say thank you to him. >> one of the most important things i could tell you during this show is this right now. the one thing that i can't provide is you taking ac. 10 years ago, that's the one thing that i did that changed our lives. i took action. i made the call. and now we are living a life and leaving a legacy for our children that we never could have imagined. if you come to my two-hour free event, i promise you this -- you're gonna learn something, and you're gonna be given opportunity to change your life for the better, regardless if you're doing great or you're in

we've created an environment where that can happen. so i'm looking forward to seeing you at this event. pick up the phone right now and call that number. >> thank you so much for inviting me into your beautiful home and sharing your inspiring story. >> well, it was our pleasure and it was great having you here. >> if you're out there right now watching this, this is your chance, so pick up the phone for this life-changing opportunity. this is a proven system that nick has developed for you. pick up that phone and call. take action and get started will. >> and i want people just like myself, the ordinary joe, to get out there and get a piece of this pie, the american dream. ? >> announcer: this was a paid presentation of the nick vertucci real estate academy's "fortunes in flipping"

and they're driven by complicated fears and anxieties to sometimes do beautiful things or other things. the truism that you hate the sinner but not the sinner applies to politics as well. >> we will take a break. we are going to come right back and have this conversation. i also have new battle ground state polls in four states. two from the ground and two from perhaps an expanded battle ground. later, the 9/11 attacks led to the war in iraq. i will talk to a prominent member of president george w. bush's administration, paul wolfowitz. >> mandy chang. >> mandy chang. >> mark lawrence 98,352 what's that? >> mandy chang. >> mark lawrence

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money for programs like education will shrink. in just 8 years, interest on the debt will be our third largest federal program. bad news for small businesses. the good news? there's still time for a solution. ask the candidates for a plan to secure our future. welcome back. more now on the presidential campaign, we have now nbc journal polls from four states and the results pretty much confirm what we've been seeing over the last ten days. this race is getting closer. we'll start with the traditional battle ground state of new hampshire in a four-way race, clinton leads donald trump by a point. 37-36 among likely voters in new hampshire, not much difference, clinton is up by two.

we've measured in any battle ground state. 15 in new hampshire. they have a bend to them. next is nevada, clinton by two points, 41-39 but look what happens when you have a likely voter sample, turns into a trump lead. keep in mind democrats won new hampshire in five of the last six elections and taken nevada in four of the last six so these should be states that favor clinton. let's look at two red states in arizona, clinton ar tied at 37 among registered voters. trump is up 30-48. look at the double digits for gary johnson that governed a neighboring state of arizona in new mexico and in georgia, clinton has a one-point lead among registered voters but among likely voters, it's trump who gains. he's at 44-42. it's worth remembering that democrats haven't won either arizona or georgia since bill

david brooks, i want to start with a column you wrote about this idea of a realignment is coming. politics is catching up to social reality. the crucial social divide is between those who feel the core trends of the global information age economy at tail ends at their back and those who feel them as head winds at the phase and i can point you to this break down in the poll among college educated voters, she's up 20. among non-college ed va voters, he's up 20. >> for the last 20 years, if you look how people is behaved, you can do huge predictions whether they completed college. how often do they vote? how many friends do they have? what's their marriage like. it opens up socially and this is the first election we have seen them reflected in the political polling and so my question and this is really a serious worry, suppose one mar party is less a head winds and that would be the

party is the party of the tail winds, and that would be the democratic party. suppose the partisan realignment over laps with the close alignment and that to me is extremely problematic for what it is. >> isn't that what we see now? >> this is a profound shift because it's representing the college education. we've grown up with republicans at the high end of the income scale and the leaders in american life. this has been turned upside down. i think the big, big issue in this country and t cutting away everything else is what david talked about, how do we pull the country back together again? it's separating and going in different directions and there is not been either candidate whose been able to give a city shining on a hill speech like ronald reagan or i have a dream like dr. ken because they are so determined to separate the country and that is, i think, a terrible prescription for the future. >> it's going to be like that as

talked about the different groups that aligned with the parties, but if you think about social media networks, like the idea you see only the news about the stuff you care about delivered to your phone every day, i think the silos of where we live and the silos of the information we're taking in is actually exacerbating the problem. >> there are so many different reasons that we've ended up at this place. some that we can control, some we can't control but i think in addition to the political realignment that's think that the most pressing issue is whoever wins the white house in november, there is going to be a huge chunk of americans who are going to feel unpr unrepresented and not heard. >> and angry about it. >> and angry about it. >> look at the reaction -- >> very high unfavorables. so the mandate to govern will be very, very difficult and that's something that hopefully, democrats and republicans will look at each other and say this is it, we got to do something.

32%. everybody is at 42, 43, 48. that's like minority leader government. i think we got to do something about it. mayor rob emanuel of chicago has an idea. every kid that graduates spends some sort of three months in a national service so kids are with kids and just three months would make a difference. >> i thought national service would be a given. we've been talking about national service my whole adult life and i can't believe we're not there. >> i'm of public service. 250 this year. and by the way, when hillary clinton borrows the line from bernie sanders, we'll give free college education to families with $125,000 a year, she ought to say and if you get that, you've got to get with your public service when you graduate or two years. it ought to come with a price tag for them otherwise it looks like a government give away.

effect of social media in this campaign. it's going on even as we speak here and the kind of victory on both sides that's out there and people have a hard time deciding what's real and what's not. >> i want to bring it back to deplorabl deplorables. against any other candidate against any other year, this is a really fatal mistake for her but have we been conditioned to this harsh rhetoric? >> i don't think people have been if they were, then you wouldn't have a whole segment of the republican party that aren't for trump. i mean, what she really was speaking to were those people, republican voters who haven't made up their mind because they are very uncomfortable with trump because of the racist words coming out of his mouth and some of his supporters. >> this is a risk if you make it a referendum on trump, you have to walk the line between saying a vote for trump is a bad decision and a vote for trump

and i think this crossed that line and it's hard to unring that bell. >> i think we've seen that a tie goes to trump, if they both have bad weeks, he benefits. he's gotten closer not because he's suddenly great. >> i have to say there was part of this when she did it and i thought marco rubio did this and ted c cruz tried this, when you try to hit him, when you go name calling for name calling and go down to his level he went. >> yeah. >> because the supporters know what they lot of people made up their minds. i saw a bumper sticker that said i don't know, 2016. what people need to do is what clinton needs to do is make it so that sticker says clinton kain 2016. >> all right. we'll take a pause here and do a little more on 9/11. when we come back on this september 11th commemoration, the paul wolfowitz grew out of

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welcome back. 18 months after the september 11th attacks, the united states invaded iraq. u.s. invasion easily toppled saddam hussein. paul wolfowitz was secretary and democrat that returned republican and may feel forced to vote for hillary clinton in november. paul wolfowitz joins me. welcome, sir. >> nice to be here, thank you. >> i read in ann the architect of the iraq war. why do you not accept that title? >> because i was not in charge. i was not the commander in chief or secretary of state or secretary of defense and national security advisor and more importantly, i thought at the time there was a lot of things that should have been done differently. if you think about it, if we had a counter insurgency strategy, if we had that from the beginning, i think iraq would

today and history would look very different instead of waiting until 2007, 2008 to defeat al qaeda and iraq, they could have withibeen defeated. >> you were an advisor to jeb bush. he struggled with the knowing what we know question now, what is your answer? >> it assumes everything we know then we know now. we know about part of al qaeda at the time but merged with al qaeda and the leader is there. we know that now. most importantly, we'll never know what the world would be like if saddam was still in power in iraq. imagine if you had an uprising in iraq like took place in syria, you would have syria on steroids. saddam would be more brutal than assad has been. >> that's a big assumption.

saddam -- a lot -- >> it turned out -- >> a buster, for instance, there were no weapons of mass destruction. >> he was deceiving the world on that point. >> that's a big point to deceive the world on. >> not killing terrorists. he was killing his own people on a large scale. he did it in 1991. we saw what he did. i don't think it takes a lot of imagination to see how he would respond. we seen what he did. there is a all around the world. if the americans can put a man on the moon, why can't they do x and x is some complicated social problem that's been here for centuries. americans play into that assuming they can solve everything and we're responsible for everything. hillary clinton was actually right when she said a few months ago the united states didn't create isis. bashar al-assad created isis. >> there is another theory that says whatever you want to think

the matter as soon as saddam hussein was serving as iraq covering up a lot of bad guys, we lifted that rock and all of a sudden chaos ensued. >> he wasn't covering up a lot of bad guys. he was sheltering a lot of bad guys. he had the one perpetrator who the first world trade center bombing at large and zarkowi in iraq. the -- you know, when i said assad helped to create isis, he did it by driving the sunnis into desperation where isis is the only choice for them. these dictators brutalized their societies. they divide their societies after they collapse and eventually they collapse. there is nothing left to stabilize or take its place. >> go ahead. >> not every dictator is like

when the president was the so-called auto cat, or dictator. there was nothing reasonable left in iraq, nothing reasonable left in syria or libya. >> let me go back to this issue. here we are on 9/11. it was mostly s ly saudis that those planes into the towers, nobody from iraq. why was that the first action. we went into afghanistan and why didn't we hold saudi arabia accountable? you can make a case a lot mf saudis were funding and fueling these terrorists attacks with saudi money and things like that than anybody in iraq. >> there is a big problem with what the sud diaudis have been and i hope people are right when they say the new crown prince.

terrorists? >> cultivating terrorists but the point is you don't deal with that by going to war. what concerned us about iraq and people want to forget but everybody believes and saddam was doing his best to convince us he had weapons of mass destruction. we knew he had previously had anthrax and he was working on nuclear weapons and made it clear after he was captured he intended to start the programs again once the sanctions were lifted. he was a real danger and that's why there was a focus on weapons of mass say after the fact that bush lied and got us into a war, he wasn't lying. he was saying what everyone believed and, you know, i heard some discussions on your previous panel and i -- but i heard remarkable comment this morning by one of the orphans from 9/11 whose father died and the son said 9/11 brought us together. we need to come together as a country. >> some said -- >> lying when he was telling the truth.

apart. the followup from the iraq war. look at the republican party today. >> i'm not disagreeing. >> more isolation today. >> i'm not disagreeing with that but if you accuse bush of lying when he was telling what everyone believed -- >> let me ask you this then, who lied? is it bad intelligence? somebody got us into this and somebody convinced the united states congress that weapons of mass destruction were imminent in iraq, which is why so many democrats andpu for this war. >> i think the original liar is saddam hussein who discovered he had more. later, it seems he was lying that he had more than he really did have because he wanted to supposedly deceive the iranians. the fact is every intelligence service in the world, not just the americans, the british, the germans, the french, all believe he had weapons of mass destruction. >> are you -- do you -- are you now concerned that that especially, we were wrong and if

lack of trust for government right now, that's one of the reasons. that's one of the things over the last 15 years when you talk about wall street's inability to be truthful and that under mined trusting government. do you believe that? >> look, i think it's done a lot of harm but i think in fact, stating falsehoods like saying bush lied does a lot of harm. i believe if we had a better strategy in iraq from the beginning and strategy was implemented, iraq would look different. >> how many troops would be there? do you think because you've said in the past you thought this is more like a germany and korea situation thanks we probably would need troops for 40 or 50 years. >> the issue isn't how many troops you have but how many americans are getting killed. by the end of the surge very muni americans were getting

korea starts a war. the u.s. can be a stabilizing factor. it's important to understand and i agree the turn in public opinion on the united states is very unfortunate. i think it will bring us more trouble. we're in danger of learning all the wrong lessons from the past. the lesson that intervention is the only thing that's bad. i think we're seeing in syria the consequence is non-intervention. i think we see in libya the consequence of partial invention. >> is this why you're learning in them. i find it incredibly disappointing when the country needs to come together and we have two major party candidates that enjoy so little confidence from the american people. >> paul wolfowitz from the bush administration, thank you, sir. appreciate you sharing your views. >> when we come back, a reminder how 9/11 changed us, at least for awhile and how it will still drive much of our politics

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it's almost become a cliche to say 9/11 changed us. it sparked two wars and heightened security at ballparks and public places and made us all more aware of the threats around the world that many of us face, but for awhile, at least, 9/11 brought us together and made us appreciate shared interests and common bonds and in fact, made it so democrats and republicans simply devastated tried to destroy each other. we brought together firefighters, teachend saw america change and in some cases change right back. >> september 11th, 2001, resulted in us waking up on september 12th with a phenomenal sense of what it means to be the united states of america. i had the sense that most of us were reaching into an easily

will, strength, car aharacter. >> you saw the large flag from the top of the pentagon there and that was just awe inspiring. >> literally, when i got there at 8:00 in the morning, we had people in line waiting to buy flags. >> we crawled before we walked and we walked before we ran. >> no divisions among people. no colors, no religions, no politics. >> the leaders in congress stood together, the states were together. partisanship just seemed to disappear. >> 15 years marks the moment of the country together all but evaporated. >> strong emotions and very strong activities like occurred after 9/11 are hard to maintain. the country seems so significantly divided in a lot of optimism and hopefulness that we can continue with the great

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tom, i'll let respond first. back on during that interview when we talked about the iraq war and about who is responsible for lying to get us into this war. >> well, lying is a very strong phrase, obviously. i think it's an over interpreted with a wanted to see there. they came into office determined to get rid of saddam hussein in some fashion. there is no question about that. but then when 9/11 came along, it gave t to do that. it was unclear about weapons of mass destruction. the u.n. was not certain about whether they insisted or not. i was in iraq twice before the war began. here is what really troubled me. i would be talking to shiite young people, he was a sunni, remember, saddam was. i want to join jihad and fight the united states. what do you mean?

we'll do this on our own. i go into a suke ran by shiite. we don't want you come in here and bringing something that's not been here the last 40 years. so there was not a great uprising that was going to occur when we came in buzz they had been living with him all this time. >> david brooks, it took the democratic party arguably 24 years, 25 years to recover vietnam. to be trusted again with national security and the election of bill clinton in 92. you can argue that really even though carter got in there, it only reinforced the perception democrats can't handle national security. the republican party is still hasn't recovered from the iraq war. >> i agree. the democrats did well in the congressional elections. >> they did but watergate. >> people remember -- the people -- i think parties recover pretty quickly.

the position. the position that america should be intervening abroad. there is a sweet spot between too much intervention and too little. we swung from here to here and what is striking about the republican party, it's the party of intervention to the donald trump party of non-intervention. there is now no intervention party and the gap in the world that putins exploit, we have a bipartisan consensus not to get involved and that's a problem i think >> she is, because i think that she understands the realities of what it means to be president and the threats that you're facing. but i think you're right, how iraq was handled still has hangover on our policies and our politics today. there was a huge coming together after 9/11. there was support and gathering and bipartisan support for the afghanistan war and then they started to beat the war drum to

there was bipartisan support for iraq. that quickly turned. i remember being with senator kennedy, who was one of the only votes against the iraq war and he said mark my words, this is going to change and within a couple of years it did. look at how much the iraq war influenced the 2004 election. we'll deal with this for a very long time. one of the major questions this week at the commander in chief forum was where was donald trump on the iraq war? so it is a -- it's become a symbol of where you stand in this country and how you're going to -- >> it is interesting that is the public. democrats and republicans don't want to accept anybody that says they are for it and stick to it. let me ask this. >> can we challenge the premise? i grew up in the '90s and i don't remember it being a peaceful time. i feel like it was a pause in civic hostilities. we had a ruthless election where

so i'm having a hard time -- >> they didn't challenge -- they didn't challenge -- the difference is i think we're all concerned. >> yeah. >> that if we have another 2000 election, that you won't see whoever the supreme courts would say is the losing side say okay, we've got to respect the constitution. >> that in fact, because of that election, right? >> because of that or because of everything that has happened since then? one other whiplash moment on foreign policy this week goes not just on you -- republican party but putin in russia. we haven't brought that up. basically what was driving the -- >> it was an astonishing statement on the part of donald trump, especially the republican candidate for president of the united states he embraces a dictator in russia and says he has 82% approval rating, he's not saying the other 18% are on their way to a log somewhere because the fact is he can have

wants. he just orders it up. there is real issues in russia. one of my longest friends, long-term friends is a russian scholar that spent a lot of time in the last year and said things have never been worse between the two countries, that's a very ominous -- >> on friday, he lives in new york city because his life is in danger if he lives still in russia. >> yeah. >> that's why. his life is threatened. >> do you think the voters care as much about this putin as we in washington do? >> unconsciously. polit politics is a bad odor around the world. politics stinks. you have to compromise to listen people you dislike but you hedge and fudge and it's ugly and sort of the only way to govern a diverse society but in this world and around donald trump's mind, that form of politics is suspect is on the rise. >> all right. back in a moment. we'll have the end game segment. on this first full day of the on this first full day of the

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back now with the end game segment. there was one more thing i wanted to bring up before we remarkable comment about donald trump, that he made this is the last election that sounded similar to a comment we highlighted last year from michele bachmann. take a listen. >> i think this will believe the last election that the republican haves a chance of winning because you'll have people flowing across the borders. i'll have illegal immigrants coming in and will be legalized and able to vote. once that happens, you can forget it. >> i've been calling him an

michele bachmann, rush limbaugh, one idea of one way to rally republicans to his side but a negative rally. >> it's the upside down version of something people talk about the obama coalition and minority groups and becoming the majority and i think the attempt to say this is the last gasp for white voters isn't subtle. >> that was not a subtle comment. >> donald trump and subtlety. >> it how about like we're going to be over flooded by brown people. how about trying to appeal to them? trying to win over votes. >> undermine voting that voting group to say your votes, they aren't the real votes. >> not to out the age of some people around this table but some people around this table is to remember the republican party was the party of african americans. jackie robinson endorsed nick son over kennedy.

if when the candidates started to approach the king family, they said we don't know. andy young said even the maids are white. that of course all changed once the gold water movement takes over. i think the big issue after this election, whoever wins or whoever loses is how these two parties, if they are able to reconstitute themselves as a democrats did with bill clinton and i don't know whether that's possible anymore in the era social media and all the divisions that are in both parties at this point. i just don't know whether that's possible. >> so today is the first sunday of the nfl season falling on 9/11. sports was a tremendous unifying in this country after 9/11. particularly baseball and football, as well. it's going to be an unusual day, i think, for the opening of football season, colin kaepernick and his protest, the seahawks are planning. it's very interesting more and more sports figures have decided

effect, ali's death educated a generation of new athletes to say, maybe i should use my platform differently. >> i hope that's the case. and we saw this happen in the nba. >> yeah. >> last year. and look, i think some good is coming out of this. he's forcing a discussion. his teammates across the league are supporting him and his, you know, real benefite people who are trying to forge change and ensure equal justice. >> can i solute the athletes standing for the anthem? they are expressing faith in the ideas of the country. we have problems but stand in honor of those things. >> we'll make that the last word. that's all we have for today. we'll be back next week because

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