press." >> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. president-elect donald trump spent the weekend at his bed minister new jersey club meeting with possible members of the administration including one-time rival and critic mitt romney who is reportedly being considered for secretary of state as well as michelle reed, a democrat who ran the school

secretary. but if mr. trump has made one thing clear it's that he's not yet tacking to the middle as many conservatives perhaps had feared or liberals had hoped. flynn says that militant islam poses a threat to the u.s. and sessions who has been accused of making racially insensitive to a federal judgeship in the '80's of hillary clinton, on benghazi he's gotten bipartisan support for the pick. republican senators were largely supportive of the choices and democrats on the most part in particular jeff sessions sharply opposed. joining me from new jersey is the current head of the republican national committee but of course is president-elect's new incoming

the new job. >> well, good morning, chuck. appreciate you having me on. >> let me start with the meeting with mitt romney. is it fair to conclude -- i have talked to a few people close to your campaign. but we're talking to you. that's simply that it's rudy giuliani or mitt romney for secretary of state. is that fair to conclude? >> look, i think if you see the entire picture here, what i think americans should take from this, we have a president-elect trump that wants to bring all americans together. he startedit he gave on wednesday morning. very graciously saying no matter who you are, no matter what your background is, i'm going to be here for you, make you proud of the country. what you saw with mitt romney, people with obviously ted cruz coming in is a continuation of the bridge building and this scene that all americans should take in that he wants to bring us all together. the meeting with mitt romney itself though i will tell you was a very good meeting. it was gracious and personable. it was very sincere and it was productive.

where it will lead right now, but i can tell you that it was a great first step and people should be proud of the way things are going here in president-elect trump's operations. >> would it surprise you ifpresident-elect trump selected mitt romney for secretary of state? >> look, i'm not sure who he's going to select but i -- >> but would you surprise you? >> giuliani, general keane, general kelly, he's talked to r goes. but it's a good sign for all americans. >> i want to talk about obviously donald trump ran especially at the end on the phrase he used it a lot, drain the swamp. but there's a number of moves that have happened this week that call that into question, perhaps some conflicts of interest. his daughter ivanka was seen pictured at the meeting with the japanese prime minister.

trump organization. they had a meeting with the president-elect, took pictures of it. creating this idea they'll end up profiting off of the trump name now that he's president in india. how are you organizing a divestment or a blind trust right now of donald trump and his businesses? >> we're not going to get into the details of that, but that is being handled. there's nothing being discussed of any import. the meeting -- >> how do we know that? because you didn't meeting -- >> the meeting was cursory. look, all of these things -- all of the rules will be followed, chuck. there is going to be no violation of any of these rules i can assure you of that. and as we move forward, those -- those matters are going to be more clearly spelled out and you're going to be aware of it. but look, the one person i can

administrations and i can assure you though what you're seeing donald trump do right now is bring the best and the brightest together to make the best decisions for america, for all americans. no matter who you are. >> but at the end of the day, how does he prove he's not planning to use the presidency to profit? there are reports that the trump hotel in washington, d.c. that ambassadors were encouraged to bring their visiting delegations and have them stay at the trump hotel in washington, d.c., is that true? >> no it's not true at all, chuck. and i think what youwh unique situation where you have a -- an international business person that has done an incredibly well in life that's now going to work toward focusing 24/7 on being president of the united states and setting up a system, a legal system, to shield himself from any and all conflicts. that what's we're doing. that's what people are going to see in the coming days and weeks the american people will see that.

business, "wall street journal," no member of the liberal meeting at least editorial page, the political damage to the new administration could be extensive they write if mr. trump doesn't liquidate. he will be accused of a pecuniary motive any time he takes a policy position. they believe it's untenable for trump or his kids to have any control over the trump organization president. does the president-elect share that view? >> look, we're looking at this right now, chuck, as well. like i said before we'll make sure that no matter what decisions are made that they'll be run through council. there's a white house council's office that will be there that will be issuing opinions and these matters all will be dealt with, dealt with accordingly. and donald trump, our new president is going to spend every hour, every minute of the day making america proud of where we're going and making america great america and making the decisions that benefit everyone the most in this

ahead of ourselves a little bit. but i can assure you that the work will continue. and the best and the brightest will continue to be brought together no matter their background, their political affiliation, and all the rest. >> let me ask you a question about the appointment of general mike flynn to national security adviser. essentially there are two corner offices in the white house. you're in one, he's going to be in the other. in february, flynn posted a video listing bombings perpetrated by muslims with the comment, fear of muslims is rational. can you equivocally rule out a registry for muslims? >> look, i'm not going to rule out anything, but i wouldn't -- we're not going to have a registry based on a religion. but what i think -- what we're trying to do is say there are some people -- certainly not all people, chuck, there are some people that are radicalized and some people have to be prevented from coming into this country.

president trump's position, is consistent with bills in the house and the senate that say the following. if you want to come from a place or an area around the world that harbors and trains terrorists, we have to temporarily suspend that operation until the better vetting system is put in place. and when that happens, that when a better vetting system is put in place, then those radical folks or -- they'll not be allowed in. but othersil but only until that is done. that's what not what flynn believes but donald trump believes. >> but does he believe that fear of muslims is rational? >> well, he believes that no faith in and of itself should be judged as a whole. but there are some people in countries abroad that need to be prevented -- there are some people that need to be prevented from coming into this country. so i think that's where 99% of

house chief of staff, appreciate the time and thanks for coming on and sharing your views. >> thank you, chuck. >> you got it. well, on friday i travelled to michigan for a story on middle class voters who picked donald trump over hillary clinton. we'll have that story for you later in the hour. but while i was there i took a break to interview the new senate democratic leader, chuck schumer. he said that senate democrats would give a very thorough look at jeff sessions and tough questions for mike flynn. though he doesn't need senate confirmation. but then we'll begin with a question that i asked as to whether senate democrats should oppose trump because it's good for the party or it's good for the party. >> well, my test is the specifics. we won't work with him for the sake of working with him and we won't oppose him because it's something that trump sponsors.

surprisingly on certain issues, candidate trump voiced very progressive and populist opinions. for instance, getting rid of the carried interest loophole, a large infrastructure bill, cleaning up the swamp in washington. these are things that democrats have always stood for and frankly republicans have always been against. so we'll challenge president trump to work with us on those if he doesn't he'll be breaking his promise to particularly the blue collar workers, many of whom have voted for him on those particular issues. but on issues where our values are at stake, where the president goes in a divisive direction, where his campaign did before, we'll go against him and with everything we've got. we're not going to repeal or help him repeal obamacare. we are not going to roll back dodd/frank.

we're not going to help him build his wall. we have a comprehensive immigration reform bill that builds a much tougher border security that has much more bipartisan support than he ever called for. we won't oppose him because it's trump, but we'll oppose him wherever he opposes our values and i hope, chuck, one final thing, i hope on the promises he's made to blue collar america on trade, on stick with them and work with us. even if it means breaking with the republicans who always opposed these things. >> you may have the longest relationship of any current u.s. senator with donald trump. i know you frequently speak with him. i'm curious how frequently have you spoken with him post election? >> well, look, number one, i didn't know him that well. we see each other occasionally at events in new york. but i really didn't know him very well.

apprentice." >> well, they asked me to do it and i was surprised and i don't know him that well. i learned far more about him in the campaign. i was troubled by a whole lot of things in the campaign. the only thing i can say to my colleagues is, you know, president obama met with him and said the presidency is a sobering experience. so i hope president trump will rise to the oncation and -- occasion and when he does we'll try to be supportive but when he doesn't we'll use everything we've got to oppose him. >> i'm interviewing you right now from the suburbs of detroit. we're doing a big focus on what happened for instance in mccomb county, a place that there were obama/trump voters. why do you believe you lost -- the democratic party and hillary clinton lost the voters that voted obama in '08 and '12 and voted trump in '16 particularly in michigan? >> you can't flinch or look away from it, you have to look at it

but my preliminary reading is very simple. we did not have the kind of strong, bold and pointed economic message that appealed to these people. and a message that talked about how rigged the system was in washington. what i hope to do is our democratic leader is craft policies and platform and message that are bold on economic issues. that are strong on economic issues. that don't just nibble around the edges and that will do, i believe, unite not only democrats in the senate. you have seen in our leadership team this kind of message has gotten bernie sanders and elizabeth warren on our team as well as joe manchin and mark warner. but unite america. i don't think there should be a choice. people say, well, should we go after the obama coalition or the

both groups. it will appeal to the worker in oakland county, the factory worker, the college student in los angeles, the single mom trying to get above minimum wage in harlem. >> finally let me ask you about the supreme court. obviously you were not pleased with how senate republicans handled the merrick garland nomination. i assume baring some miracle for your side it is not going to be brought up during the lame duck. how >> are you going to -- you comfortable filibustering any pick that a president trump makes? and if that happened, do you fear the nuclear response essentially by the republicans. >> well, first, i hope that president trump picks a mainstream candidate. a mainstream candidate is somebody you may not agree with on every issue, but basically believes in precedent and

the -- >> what does that mean? can he nominate somebody in your mind that is say ted cruz? is he too conservative for you? >> well, i'm not going to get into specific candidates, but we hope it would be mainstream. if it is mainstream, you have to remember the last four nominees, two from president bush, two from president obama got bipartisan support on the bench. if he dot everything we have or her. go at the candidate with everything we've got, because this is so, so important. now, you know, senator mcconnell has said let's not -- let's not use the filibuster. but they don't come with clean hands having delayed merrick garland for a whole year and furthermore, i was the person when the rules were changed back

i said let's not do the supreme court. we should have 60 votes which we still do. because we should get bipartisan support. so i hope both president trump and leader mcconnell will recognize those facts. >> all right. chuck schumer, i have to lead it there. the new senate democratic leader, thank you for joining us. as i told you, i did that interview on friday. well, as the interview was airing donald trump tweeted the following about chuck schumer this morning, i have always schumer. he is far smarter than harry r and he has the ability to get things done, good news. there you go. my trip to macomb county, michigan. the reagan democrats who voted first for president obama and hear from senator hear from senator bernie sanders. welcome to the world 2116, you can fly across to in minutes

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he wants to make an overture to the republican establishment. for trump, he knows his reputation not only at home but around the world. he wants to maybe have a different kind of face. >> there's no question that romney brings a different face because he is the epitome of goodness and would be, i think, a very smart move for trump to put him up front as the face to the rest of the world. as somebody joked, if you took an american flag and turned it into a human being, it would look like mitt romney. relationship though with the national security advisor. i bring this up, thomas, as somebody who covered plenty of white house and international affairs. mike flynn has been described -- this is by former colleagues, people that worked with him, they did it anonymously. you have covered general flynn back in the days of the first afghanistan surge. what do you know of him?

iraq, afghanistan, washington at the dia. i don't know the general flynn who has been tweeting. i had many encounters with him or several in his job as one of the most intelligent intelligent officers we have had. he and stan mccrystal together created the killing machine that took down al qaeda in iraq. they did it in an amazing way, leveraging big data. they would take down a terrorist leader, take his computer and computer, find links and do one raid and another and another. i don't know mike flynn but that mike flynn is a serious, intelligent guy. >> qualified? >> the old mike flynn, definitely. i don't know the new mike flynn. >> yeah. i would say the new mike flynn is deeply worrying. that's who we have seen for the last year. someone who has attacked muslims as awe group, someone who has tweeted also from the alt right, basically things that seem

level, we found out that he is actually as a lobbyist been getting security briefings. he is a lobbyist for foreign entities, foreign companies that are linked to foreign governments and has been receiving briefings while he is doing that. i think in it the drain the swamp concern, there's something still there. >> one thing on flynn, we're talking about list world view and combative personality. but his association with trump, how close he is, it's revealing about this whole ns who would go up to the top of trump tower, brief trump on foreign aaffairs. flynn was in the running for vp because he was there early. >> what we should learn here? i'm talking about, a team of rivals or is is it going to be loyalists? >> national security, you have to have a secretary of state, a secretary of defense that are able to work together and are

>> they need to be aligned. >> they have to be basically aligned. >> romney and flynn doesn't feel like an a -- that feels -- it doesn't work. giuliani and flynn to me is more an alignment. kathleen? >> gosh, well if you want -- if you want to present a fierce presence to the rest of the world, those two combined would certainly put fear in the hearts of our allies and enemies as well. the other thing about mitt romney -- i think really today we should change his >> if you are a mike you have a better chance. >> remember in the second debate with obama, romney was the person who said in our greatest geopolitical foe is russia. he practically got laughed off the stage. this man is not -- he is no novice when it comes to foreign affairs. many of the other things he setd ha said have come to be true.

ethics thing. are the trump folks aware that this is something that could blow up? i thought it was interesting that reince priebus didn't dismiss. >> the question is, who is having this conversation with the president-elect in a confrontational way about his family, about his business? a lot of people around donald trump don't want to engage with him on that level on that topic. >> that's deeply concerning. the idea that a president he said he would work for the people, not himself. when you look at the information we're getting about meetings with indian businessmen who want to do more business, the idea that the hotel he has is basically pushing foreign dignitaries to stay at his hotel, give the hotel money in order to curry favor with him.

>> he does not seem to want to divest. >> i think he has to realize he has been benefitted from the cell pho cell phone revolution. >> he responded. >> a friend of mine says, the cell phones, five years ago they were a portable x-ray machine. now they're a portable mri machine. they can see everywhere. they can tell the world what they see without an editor, a lawyer or filter. that can work for you and it can this is why everybody will buy his book. >> note to public officials, don't tweet. >> i don't know. i think it's good. we're learning about who people are. let's pause the conversation here. when we come back, we will hear from some of those white blue collar voters who abandoned hillary clinton for donald trump. what do they expect from their new president? plus, quite a few of them were bernie sanders voters. i will talk to senator sanders about how he thinks democrats should responond.

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macomb county, michigan. it's made famous by reagan democrats in the '80s. it is one of 225 obama to trump counties nationwide. a small amount of counties but many stretch across the upper midwest. 12 in michigan. 22 in wisconsin and 22 in iowa. >> obama didn't necessarily disappoint me. i guess. he didn't fulfill wanted. >> a group of voters i sat down with in warren, voted obama in 2000 -- 2008 and 2012. >> we wanted to get out of the bush administration and we were told lies. >> reporter: but this time, he picked trump. what made you vote for him? >> well, what made me vote for him, i believed that hillary

diner. >> i hear people say he's a billionaire. he can't be bought. that's what people are saying. they can't control him. >> he came, right? >> 30 miles north of here. i think a lot of people feel like she took it for granted, like it was always been a blue can state and she had it in the back pocket. >> macomb county is car country, ford is next door in sterling in macomb vanished. some have come back, but median household income is down 25%. pensions are gone or disappearing. the cost of health care is up. >> if i'm elected, you won't lose one plant. >> voters expect trump to keep the promises. >> put us all to work. give us the opportunity to earn a living and take care of our families. that's it. it's that simple. >> job creation.

shore. >> macomb still whiter than the rest of the country, is diversifying quickly. >> the young people are talking about how proud they are to be diverse. >> i see my children with a school with 30 different languages spoken. >> with it, come some cultural changes. >> i don't like that you can have a transgendered person going into the bathroom. >> voters aren't sure that trump can unite the country. >>ow daughters and women, who he's appointing all these all white men, to me reaching out is having women and women's issues in the forefront. >> my father is an albanian muslim from kosovo. stop the rhetoric that's out there where people are being offended, attacked or whatever the case may be because they're minorities. they have a different look to them, a different name to them.

all. >> by the way remember those 12 obama to trump counties in michigan that i mentioned? bernie sanders beat hillary clinton in nine of them in the michigan primary. by the way, bernie sanders also beat her in all 22 of the counties in wisconsin that went from obama to trump in the wisconsin democratic primary. joining me now is bernie sanders who is out a new book called "our revolution." >> goo t in wisconsin and michigan, the fact of the matter is they're clearly and i ran into them, there were clearly people supporters of you. you were for some supporters second choice and clinton was not the second choice and they chose to stay home. do you think you would have had a better chance at carrying michigan and wisconsin if you had been the democratic nominee? >> chuck, i don't know that does a whole lot of good to look backwards but we have to look

and we have to hear what the workers are saying a few moments ago and they're sick and tired of seeing their standard of living go down. they're sick and tired of seeing their jobs go to china and other low wage countries. which means that we have to transform our trade policies and tell corporate america to tart investing in this country and not countries all over the world. that means we have to raise the minimum wage. we need pay equity for the women workers and we need to rebuild the crumg in other words. what all of that is about is the worker class of the country has been decimated and the rich are getting richer. people are tired of it and they want real change and i'll do as part of the new leadership of the democratic par tri to bring about the change. >> one of the things you hear about is job retraining for folks who are displaced but i

coo of the auto parts manufacturer and he was talking about the problems with some of these retraining programs. take a listen. >> you have been out on this floor doing skilled or semi-skilled work and you're 40 years old, you don't want to go do a computer based job. you want to make things. >> essentially the job retraining programs and some of these younger vo-tech programs almost too computer based. he was complaining of lack of skilled labor, but physical il forward on all fronts. i think we have -- not everybody wants to go to college. that's fine. god knows there are enormous amounts of work out there that don't require a college degree. we have to get people the training to do that which is why we have to rebuild our inner cities. we have to rebuild our infrastructure. there's a desperate need for affordable housing in this country. we can put millions of people to work rebuilding this country and so many other parts of america

competitive global economy we do need the best educated workforce in the world. we have to make public colleges and universities tuition free and mr. trump by the way and his billionaire friends are going to have to start paying their fair share of taxes. >> the progressive movement, the democratic party is having a debate about whether to work with donald trump when there is agreement. i want to read for you something that eric sassen of the new republican had to say about this deba. of finding common ground with trump is a step towards accomplishing the exact thing we fear most normalization. by prematurely offering to work with trump before he's shown the slightest bit of contrition, congressional democrats are hollowing out the argument he's unfit for office and that needs to be made more than ever. it's up to trump to prove to us he's able to lead. we shouldn't make it easy for him. bottom line is this, essentially, do you not work

contrition on some of the social issues? >> well, look, let us be clear, chuck. when donald trump helped lead the birther movement that was nothing less than a racist effort to undermine the legitimacy of the first african-american president we have ever had. that was racist and disgraceful. the african-american community and all of us deserve an apology. when he talks about latinos and mexican as criminals and rapist that's when he says that people who are muslims cannot enter the united states, that's an outrage. on those issues, let me be very clear. speaking for only myself. there is no compromise. we have come too far as a country to try to move forward in a nondiscriminatory way. to go backwards and see us divided up by racism and xenophobia. on the other hand, issues like

know trump has talked about he's not going to cut social security or med care and medicaid. he's going to re-establish the glass/steagall kind of legislation, we have been working on those for years. if he wants to work on those, i accept that. >> you don't accept the premise you shouldn't work with him under any premise? >> right. but he's said outrageous thing and he needs to country who are really frightened. but the other thing, the other thing, chuck, is climate change. it is beyond comprehension that we have a president-elect who thinks it's a hoax when the whole scientific community is telling us -- >> senator, right. i want to go back to the other point. what do you say to the progressives that say, hey the republicans essentially united against president obama and guess what?

to be perhaps good for the workers you're talking about, but may be bad for the democratic party. what do you say to if progressives? >> i think we need a good strategy to make sure that in fact we push our agenda. look, on the issues, chuck, that i'm talking about, these are the things that i have been fighting for years. but there's no compromise, none whatsoever on bigotry. there's no compromise on climate change because the future of the planet is at stake. we need a stratend wisconsin, to stand with working people, to demand that we reverse the decline of the american middle class. >> senator sanders, that's all the time i have for today. thank you for sharing your views. congrats on the new book "our revolution." before we go to break, we said good-bye to our dear friend

everywhere she went. she was tough and fair yet at the same time brought so much joy to her work. not to mention she had a great bs detector. something plenty of politicians learn the hard way. i was honored to have gwen as a panelist on this show many times. she made everyone including myself a lot smarter. she made over 70 appearances and many times we were on the show together we both called a mentor, tim russert. on the ren weeks ago. she reflected on the opening of the new national museum of african-american history and culture. >> the emotion of the people in that audience, mostly blacks singing full throatedly reminded me of what -- one of the things that are true in this country. which is that we want to, aspire to make it a better union and we see the clash and the hopefulness of that beautiful museum put up against what we

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hillary clinton leads by more than 1 pnlt 6 million votes nationally. that's triple of what al gore led george w. bush by in 2000. among the 13 swing states, these are defined as states that flipped from 2012 or decided by five points or less, it's reversed. trump leads clinton by 863,000 votes. of course, the states are all called battleground states for a reason. they are competitive. in fact, we looked at the vote in some key beg going back to the '92 presidential election. get this. in virginia, out of more than 20 million votes cast in the last seven elections combined, only 72,000 votes separate the republicans and the democrats. in ohio, 34 million presidential votes cast, only 68,000 separate the two major parties. but take a look at florida. out of nearly 50 million votes cast in a presidential race

separate the democrats and republicans. that's .02%. if that was the margin in a single florida election, we would see a recount, probably a lot of hand kauntcounts. florida, florida, florida. it's for good reason. it's the microcosm of america. you have the old republican coalition and the new democratic coalition. florida is the battleground state. when we come back, guess who thinks he should be the de facto leader of the democratic party going forward. it's barack obama. mr. befo before we go to break, here is snl's take on trump meeting with potential cabinet picks. >> thank you for taking the time to meet with me. >> governor romney, so good of

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back now with the panel. what do democrats do? i want to -- the question that i senator schumer and they both essentially had the same position, they will work with him where they agree. there are democrats that think that's a mistake. where do you come down on this? >> look, i think people were willing to give the benefit of the doubt. but i think the reality is just this week when you see jeff sessions, mike flynn and steve bannon, you know, there's a view that the president has to reach out after a divisive race. we haven't seen much of that. i think democrats are

that we're going to see a divisive presidency -- >> do you count the tweet about shum they a schumer this morning? >> i would love a tweet that said that people should stop hate crimes and people should stopwastikas. but there are people who are worried because they feel bullied. the president of the united states has yet twitter account to address that. >> i couldn't agree with that more. i've been advocating that donald trump needs to give a speech. he needs to address the nation and talk about, look, i'm a loose cannon, i say things that i don't mean, i don't feel. make it a serious and sincere -- it doesn't have to be an apology necessarily. look, this is not who i am. this is what i intend to do. he has to address it face on. it would change things. >> you know him well.

in washington is between schumer and trump. you didn't schumer drawing a big line in the sand. what you have to watch is how does ryan handle it if trump starts working with democrats. most important interview was bannon to the hollywood reporter. he dangled out there a million dollars in infrastructure. you will see trump -- he is not driven by an ideological run the party. i found this fascinating. president obama did an interview through the final days of the campaign and then after. tom, the president said this. in other words, he is saying, i

when is the last time we had an ex-president do that? >> democrats could do a lot worse. but i think it's not just who leads, it's what they lead on. i think it's very important that democrats not just be about redistribution. they have to be about growing. they have to be about entrepreneurship. i watched the democratic convention. they had women, black, gay, transgender. they had a dwarf who was charming. they didn't have a entrepreneur. somebody who was a risk take just to redistribute. >> what about ryan in the house? >> i find it fascinating. he is challenging -- let me describe him and finish your point. >> democratic congressman from young youngstown, ohio. he wants to challenge nancy pelosi. he probably will lose. but he will probably make himself a very competent candidate for governor of ohio in 2018. this is a fight in the party

obama prepared to be a leader? democratic leadership doesn't have the political capital because they haven't had opportunities to become leaders. this is a microcosm. can a person like ryan get a shot? >> look, i think -- i think that the party needs all voices. i think it's -- >> >> it need fresher voices than schumer and pelosi? >> look at the reality. senator sanders, he has been there a long time. in the leadership as well as an array of diverse voices. this is the time to have a debate about the future of the democratic party. nancy pelosi has been a person who has been able to hold democrats together. but it's an important debate for us to have. >> this race could end up being decided on what you just mentioned, identity politics in the house. if the democrats become too associated with identity politics. >> i think everybody recognizes that we need a stronger reform message. both about our politics and

election is that people are angry. they feel left out of the process. and democrats have to give a voice to that. >> technology and globalization are upsetting the two things that anchor people in the world. community and their workplace. it's happening at the same time. >> diversification. >> people go to the grocery store. they are being spoken to in a different language, dressed quickly. they go into the bathroom and there's a person of another gender. they go to work and there's a ot once, have destabilized people. >> tim ryan, his gifts would be better used if he could teach us to meditate. but on the issue that tom was addressing. one of the big elements here in this sort of sense of disenfranchisement is loss of identity. this is what's driving the movements in europe as well as here. no one is actually really spoken

yes, we acknowledge there are languages, which i sort of love. >> i love it, too. >> the diversity of our population i find appealing. we enjoy that here in washington. the sense of loss of who we are, our national identity is what's not being discussed in terms that people can relate to. you have to identify it. you have to say it and democrats just don't do that. they just collect all the various identities that they can rather than talk about the one th homeless in their own country. we will be back in end game. why did donald trump give in and decide to settle that trump university lawsuit for $25 million? >> coming up, "meet the press" end game and post game brought to you by boeing, building the

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he tweeted that it is not an admission of guilt, which it technically isn't. $25 million is not chump change. >> it's an example of how trump is trying to navigate becoming president of the united states. he has to get these things off his table. >> he would have to testify the monday after thanksgiving. >> he may not want to deal with the family issue and entanglements in business. when it comes to the legal entanglements, he is cutting some of them. >> i think we're losing sight of the fact that it was a great university. he settled after he said he would never settle. multiple times saying when you settle it's an admission of guilt. he knows that he was basically accused of defrauding students. he is giving them money for his defrauding them. it's the reality. >> we can't forget he ran a campaign that debased our culture, that hurt a lot of people and erased red lines we have never seen erased before. somehow if we forget that, if we

red lines in a clear way, we are really going to regret this. >> who is listening? i mean, i have to say, who is listening? >> i don't know about the rest of you, any time i say anything that's slightly at least open minded towards trump, it's saying -- people are responding, you are normalizing him. there they go, they will start -- >> it's apocalyptic. the responses you get on social media. >> exactly. >> no matter what. >> this is a problem for a lot of of people. he succeeded. people are wondering -- he has erased the red lines. who will uphold the red lines, basic standards of what it is to be an american when we had such a divisive race? we used to believe you couldn't pit people against each other and win. the lesson we have gotten is that you can. it can succeed. >> we have do it. but republicans have to do it, too. if they all just fold --

don't play the role that you are -- >> the fact is the voters were willing to forgive that. >> yes. absolutely. >> because of their feelings towards clinton. >> talk to these voters. at the same time, investigate and report the administration. but understand what the voters are talking about. >> that was the goal of this show. you were great. thank you very much. that's all we have for today. we wish you a happy thanksgiving. i think it's the best holiday we have. conversations between all the crazy uncles debating each other. we will be back next week because even on think thanksgiv sunday, even if it's sunday,

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