be on the scene last night, joins me this morning. richard, what can you tell us what we have learned about this incident this morning? >> reporter: well, it was a loud explosion. it didn't cause a great deal of damage. it shattered a lot of windows and apparently went off incitsia dumpster. some windows up to the fourth story were shattered. we're not seeing a lot of scorched ground, we're no it seems to have been a crude explosive device. a few blocks from where i am, an unexploded device was located in a pressure cooker. it looked very homemade, the thing you could find the recipe for online. the investigation right now is focusing on the linkages. who may have been responsible. was it a group of people? is it linked to a pipe bomb explosion that went off earlier yesterday in new jersey?

caused many casualties. about half of those two dozen people or so who were injured have already been sent home. >> given that your beat takes you to the middle east and obviously, you spend a lot of time in turkey, any of your international sources finding any claims? anybody taking credit for this outside the united states? >> reporter: i haven't seen any credible claim. just talk and chatter. but i haven't heard connection to international terrorism or anything on that level. unfortunately, it is not just the middle east. the last year or so, i've been covering a lot of scenes like this all across europe as well. that's what the immediate concern was, did something happen in the united states? but i will say, this doesn't seem to be the kind of attack that one would stage if you want to kill many people. putting a bomb in a dumpster or

a race, it is not the most -- not the kind of -- similar to the attacks we have seen where people open fire with assault rifles. >> richard engel on the scene last night when it happened, thanks very much. that explosion last night in new york, as richard was referring to, was not the only event yesterday. they may be unrelated. they may not be. there were incidents where a pipe bomb-style explosion along a 5k route in new jersey, during a as a potential terror incident. no one was hurt. eight people were injured in a mall where a man made references to allah before he was killed by an off-duty police officer. let me bring in pete williams. let me start with the new york city incident. the mayor specifically essentially said, it's not clear this is a terror incident. okay. what did he mean by that?

it seems like we are parsing words. >> when he was speaking, he was -- we don't have enough evidence to say whether it's a terrorist incident or not. there's a considerable amount of luck involved here. first of all, the bomb went off in new jersey before the race started. that was apparently where the race was delayed. that's luck number one. secondly, that device in new jersey, which was three pipe bombs taped together, didn't go often tirely. a lot of evidence was that's the second piece of good luck. third piece of good luck, the secretary second device in new york didn't go off. there's a lot to look at. one big question is, what do they see in common with the two devices? the one in new jersey, the one in new york, assuming they can ultimately -- >> investigators are working new jersey and new york as potentially one person or one group? >> well, they want to know whether there's a connection. they want to know if it's the same person or group. broadly speaking there are

phones in both those things. but on the other hand, these are instructions that are, unfortunately, widely available. the al qaeda magazine has run articles about how to build similar devices. they will look at the very microscopic level, how were the wires connected together, that kind of thing. >> tell me what we know about minnesota. is that definitely unconnected? is there some thought there -- >> th's that appears to be a coincidence of timing. nothing similar at all. they will be looking at the man's past that was shot and killed. looking at his residence, seeing if he was inspired by isis propaganda. >> going back to new york city, there's probably more cameras there than any city in the world. i assume -- i have to think they may think they might have suspects in mind or persons of interest. >> they have some video. it appears that the device that

dropped into this dumpster outside the buildings there. that's another difference between new york and new jersey. lots of -- there are cameras everywhere in new york. not so lucky in new jersey in finding surveillance video. but that's another productive line of inquiry for them. >> pete williams, i know you will work the story. thank you, sir. both presidential candidates responded to the news last night. in colorado springs as the news was breaking, donald trump called it a bomb, a description that still isn't technically being used by officials in new york. >> just before i got off the plane, a bomb went off in new york. nobody knows exactly what's going on. we are living in a time, we better get very tough, folks. we better get very, very tough. >> later after an event for the congressional black caucus, hillary clinton also responded. >> i think it's always wiser to

before making conclusions. >> news of the explosion comes after the new more controlled donald trump has looked more like the old unscripted donald trump in the past 48 hours. first trump finally dropped his false suggestion that president obama wasn't born in the united states and then immediately made another one. >> hillary clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. i finished it. you know what i mean. president barak obama was born in the united states, period. >> for what it's worth, the controversy did not start with hillary clinton's 2008 campaign. there's evidence some sport sup derz did president is the rumor. it has been promoted and

second on friday night, trump again raised the specter of violence against hillary clintoclint clintoclint clinton. >> i think that her bodyguards should drop all weapons. they should disarm. let's see what happens to her. take their guns away. okay? it would be very dangerous. >> clinton campaign immediately condemned those remarks but hopes that they will help slow trump's momentum in the polls. joining me now is the senator from virginia, tim kaine. welcome back to "meet the press." >> good to be with you. >> before i get into the campaign, i want to get your reaction to the events that happened yesterday, the explosion in new york cit you also had incidents both in minnesota and new jersey. all unrelated. let me ask this, it certainly creates concern this idea that

about. what can a president do? what should a president do to try to deal with this -- with this threat that is now hitting the homeland? >> well, chuck, it's really important, and i would say experience really matters. as you know, hillary clinton was senator on 9/11 and was there at the world trade center as they were looking for survivors. she's been through this. it's been a searing experience in her life. she was part of t security team that worked together to revive the hunt and wipe out bin laden. it's an important time where you have to have experience. you have to support the military. that's really important. on these instances whether they are in our cities or european cities, the key is having intelligence and having strong alliances where you can share intelligence. that's the way you stop one-off attacks is through intelligence sharing. you don't get the intelligence sharing unless the alliances

americans have to deal with? >> well, look, i don't accept that. i don't accept it's a new normal. we don't know yet about the cause of these incidents. we're not allowing it to be a normal. we're trying to destroy isis right now. the second news from yesterday is the punishing campaign that we're waging again. isis is shrinking isis on the battlefield. that's good news. the challenge is, as isis realizes they are losing exploit weaknesses elsewhere. military strength to shrink isis and beat them on the ground, but then the intelligence sharing to stop attacks. that's what we have do. >> senator, let me move to the campaign. in new hampshire the other day, you called the choice between donald trump and hillary clinton near existential. is that hyperbole? do you believe our existence is at stake here?

values is at stake. >> it's a contrast in vision. hillary has a book filled with our campaign platforms and policies. we call it stronger together. donald trump wrote a book when he decided, i want to run for president, and the book is called crippled america. that is the vision choice that americans have in this election. let's just use one example. the equality principal. donald trump for five years was pushing the completely false notion that president obama wasn't born in the united states and wasn't an american citizen. chuck, it's really important to know how painful that is to so many people. because as you know, from the time african-americans came here to jamestown in 1619, through the dread-scott decision in the 1850s, if you were an african-american in this country, you could not be a

born elsewhere, you could not be a citizen. we had to fight a civil war and change the constitution to change that. when donald trump for five years has been promoting the notion that an african-american president is not a citizen, that is extremely powerful and painful to african-americans and to others who know this painful chapter in america's history. >> why is this election s close? why in the last three weeks, this election has gone from debate the margin of it to now where he now has a viable path to the presidency that frankly didn't seem to exist? how did this happen? if everything you are saying is true, how did this happen? >> i think it's because we're a close nation. you know i come from virginia. i am used to only close races. i encourage secretary clinton to run in 2014, but i told her, you

you the winner. we went into the convention. it was tied. we did come out of the philadelphia convention with a good lead. it settled back down and it's close. we think it's going to be close. we just have to make our case every day about the basic pillars of the campaign, an economy that works for all, being safe through stronger alliances and building a community of respect rather than disrespect. >> clearly, one of the problems that you have is you are struggling to rebuild the obama coalition, voters under 35. listen to some voters we to yesterday who were bernie sanders supporters who are struggling to support hillary clinton. >> i think it's a lack of trust. from releasing transcripts with big speeches on wall street, something -- some of the things that bernie brought out himself in the debates and other things like that. i think that's what people are still holding on to. that's what i'm holding on to. >> i think a lot of people who were so supportive of bernie during the primaries feel offended, feel betrayed. i think it's going to take a

towards millennials and those in college. i think b can help her with that. >> the numbers are clear, senator kaine. votes under 35 are not enthusiastic about her. they are as interested in gary johnson as they are hillary clinton. if you don't have them, you don't carry north carolina, florida, ohio, virginia. i think you know that. >> yeah, we gotta win them. let me lay it on the line. do you believe in science or don't you? millennials do. hillary clinton and i do. donald trump doesn't. do you believe women should be able to make their own healthcare decisions or don't you? millennials do. hillary clinton and i do. donald trump doesn't. do you believe in immigration reform? do you believe in lgbt equality? we do. millennials do. donald trump doesn't. finally, do you have a plan to deal with college affordability? we have one. millennials need one.

students. it's on our shoulders to make the case. but on at least five issues, the differences between hillary clinton and donald trump are vast. >> you didn't mention one thing, that is the issue of trust and transparency. one thing i noticed with all of the policies that the hillary clinton campaign and your ticket has put out, there's nothing on government reform, nothing on transparency, nothing on how she would -- it's a big difference between her and what senator obama promised. he lobbyists working in the executive administration. some of his proposals, they didn't go through. but he made pledges and created transparency, made decisions that were necessary and a lot of people wanted to se why nothing from that -- from secretary clinton? trust is her biggest problem. yet there's no pledge about what she's going to do to conduct a transparent white house. >> two things on that, chuck. first, i think it's

question. they need to also assess a donald trump who won't release his tax returns and who has ties with foreign governments that he refuses to reveal. let's go to hillary clinton. she has said one of the first three pieces of legislation that she's going to push in the first 100 days of her administration is to dramatically change the way campaigns are financed. this is fundamentally abouttran. we have allowed our campaign finance system to go to a dark money, super pac, non-transparent system. we do that as -- it's the heart of the reform of government. >> you think she's credible on this issue considering how associated she is with big fund-raising and things like that? >> absolutely. because we disclose our donors. we disclose them in the campaign, the foundation discloses the donors. remember, it was the trump foundation that was just caught making an illegal campaign contribution and trying to cover

transparency. we think reforming the way campaigns are financed is the most important transparency government reform that the nation needs right now. >> senator kaine, i have to leave it here. thank you. be safe. >> thanks. when we come back, we will when we come back, we will hear from the other side. welcome to the world 2116, you can fly across town in minutes or across the globe in under an hour. whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites clean power. in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space planes, across the universe and beyond. and if you thought that was amazing, you just wait. ? feel a cold sore coming on? only abreva can heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first sign. it penetrates deep and starts to work immediately

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welcome back. it has been a whirlwind 96 hours. joining me now is the campaign manager for donald trump, kellyanne conway. welcome back to the show. >> hi, chuck. thank you. >> let me start with friday's news first. how and when did donald trump conclude that the president was born in the united states? >> you will have to ask him that. that's a personal decision. but we heard very clearly the three things he time line in his own terms on friday. number one, that associates of the clinton campaign started this birther question in 2007. questions senator obama's american roots. the iowa volunteer coordinator and, of course, as the mcklatchy d.c. bureau chief, now former,

they sent somebody to africa to check it out. donald trump was not running for president against barak obama in a bruising primary in 2008. that was hillary clinton. two, donald trump said he put this to rest. hillary clinton couldn't close it, get the information he did. number three, you heard him say president obama was born in this country, period. he is moving on to all the things he talked about this week, tax reform, childcare tax credits. we got the endorsement of the fop, the fraternal order of they did not endorse anybody four years ago. they endorsed clinton in 1996. we're happy with the developments like this. >> what i'm curious about is what cares about the clinton incident? donald trump for five years perpetuated this. this has been arguably part of his political identity for the last five years. what difference does it make

forget clinton. why did he perpetuate it for five years? >> respectfully, i disagreer. it makes a huge difference as to who started this. hillary clinton never saw barak obama coming in 2008. that was her campaign. she was going to win. he beat her in the primary fairly and squarely. then they never saw bernie sanders coming. they haven't seen our comeback of the last month. she's not nimble, she's not resilie resilient. it's expected she deserves it, it's her turn. so i do think it matters where it started. frankly, on this as he has been running for president of the united states, this year, donald trump has talked about every policy issue that there is. we have a few more to go. but if people want to hear what he thinks about policies that affect them, the economy, radical islamic terrorism, senator kaine told you before this segment, if you want to see

wrote a book. go to our website. really? we're out there every single day -- >> kellyanne, hang on a minute. in a press release on friday, you called birtherism a smear. you used the word smear. so for five years -- you were doing it to try to attack hillary clinton. does that peen fmean for five y donald trump was perpetuating a smear? if he was, why didn't donald trump apologize to the president? why didn't donald trump somebody who died in a plane crash where he tweeted out innuendo this person somehow was involved in some coverup with the birth certificate? if your campaign believes it's a smear, shouldn't donald trump apologize to the president? >> we were reminding people where this started. it was used as a smear against senator obama by clinton campaign associates and by the way not a bunch of summer

these were chief strategists, pollsters, long-term confidants who were pushing this. in 2007 and 2008, chuck, donald trump wasn't running against obama was president. he wasn't smearing him about this. he was building buildings. he was being his successful stuff, a job creator. he was revitalizing communities. he was doing economic development everywhere. he had a new project. let's be fair -- it does matter. i respectfully disagree. >> kellyanne, in was thinking about running for president, he tweeted things like this. an extremely credible source has called my office and told me that barak obama's birth certificate is a fraud. in 2012, when i was 18, people called me donald trump. when he was 18, barak obama was barry sueto. those are a number of examples when he was running for president where he was bringing up this issue. how do you -- how can you totally dismiss this as part of his political identity?

are those still covering it. mr. trump made very clear -- we hardly get clarity from the clinton campaign on very much. he took to the podium and took maybe a minute or less to state three very crisp things. now he has moved on to issues people care about. it's remarkable to me to be out there with people and hear what they want covered. i'm looking at nbc's poll this morning. i don't see this issue anywhere in the top 40. i mean top 20. >> deflecting. i understand why you are deflecting. >> i'm not. you are. this was five years of his political identity. by the way -- let me ask this. now that he believes the president was born in the united states, i think he has made a $5 million charity offer -- or $50 million charity offer. is he going to pay up on that front? >> you would have to tell me the details of that before i can answer that question. however, i do have to say -- i want to go back to the polling. nobody wants to talk about the

and we're up. >> we're talking about it throughout the show. i want to talk about friday. >> the other thing -- we can talk about friday all you want. i appreciate -- i can't believe so many in the media were upset they had to give 25 minutes of coverage to these incredible veterans and military heros who took the stage to them. don't they deserve 25 minutes of coverage? everybody is stomping their feet again because people get themselves up in this tizzy and project on our campaign what th they keep on being -- >> wait a minute. i want to talk about the friday event. why is he so comfortable using the presidential campaign, using -- teasing out this announcement where he called, i want to keep the suspension going. he talked about keep the suspension going. why did he feel so comfortable using this event o friday to promote the opening of his new hotel? is that how he's going to conduct himself in the white

opening of the hotel. our campaign event were military generals and heros, real heros. >> first words out of his mouth was nice hotel. >> he doesn't read everything from a binder that somebody has prepared for him. he is a funny guy. he went on jimmy fallon this week and showed america his lighter side. he got up and said, nice hotel. he has gone to other people's hotels and said, nice hotel. nice crowd. nice baby in the front. that it was going there for something. they don't need to cover it. but they want to cover him. by the way, if you look at people's twitter feeds after that event, i think it was these were not profiles in courage. people are supposed to be covering our candidate, not slandering him. consistently on social media. there's a lot of cleaning up to go there. >> let me ask another way of asking the issue whether he

was him looking at the election and you telling him, you have to soften your image. because he has been on now both sides of the following issues. birtherism, taxes for the wealthy, muslim ban, minimum wage, iraq invasion, abortion, self-funding his campaign. accepting syrian refugees, japan and nuclear weapons. he has been totally changed his position on all of these issues within the last year. why shouldn't voters look at this and, including the birtherism comment on and say, he is another politician who will say and do anything to get elected in the moment? >> first let me address something you said earlier in the question. let me put to rest everybody's presumption that i have ever told donald trump, soften your image. i walk in the trump tower and i'm reminded this man did very well for himself before i got here. he is his own person. his instincted are excellent. he is a people person. he is successful in tv.

a man who is running for office the first time. hes the nominee for president. why? because people do not see him as a politician. you want to take statement ez made, positions ez took s he to private citizen. hillary clinton has changed her mind. you told her running mate this woman -- you said to tim kaine, hillary clinton has these pillar problems of transparency and trustworthiness. she's done nothing to put to rest either one with all these i would argue that somebody who is not particularly liked and not particularly trusted by the public has nowhere to go. don't they feel trapped the polls are tightening now that we are giving our message to the voters and they are run ning $2 million of ads in the last couple days saying $22 million of ad was a waste. so she's not -- she's nowhere

definitive explanation from donald trump on how if he is elected president that he will wall off his corporation, wall off his kids so that foreign policy decisions don't somehow get intertwined with his international business dealings? doesn't he owe the voters a detailed explanation how of how he is going to do this? it looks like this was not on her. we will figure that out. our apologies for that. our apologies to kellyanne. we will figure out this technical difficulty in a moment. we will be back in a moment with the panel to break everything down with what we heard. later, we will discuss the other issue for clinton. where have her supporters gone?

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then we will enter the u interview. is donald trump going to present the american public an explanation of how he will wall off his business so that there are not even illusions or any cloud that would hang over foreign policy decisions and his international business dealings? >> chuck, thanks for the opportunity to answer the question. his son -- one of his sons addressed this on a different network on friday. of course, we will consult with comply with the laws and what is needed. let me say, i hope the same question is asked of secretary clinton now. i mean, they have said they will shut down the clinton foundation or get away from it, the family will get away from it if she's elected. why not now? they were using the state department as a concierge for foreign governments who came in with cash asking for favors.

dinners. you will see folks were dropping a friend of -- >> donald trump is going to make a pledge he will never do any business, even remotely related to the trump organization, while in the white house? >> i don't make pledges on behalf of him. we will ask experts at this campaign what needs to be done. we will follow the law. when he is president, he will be president for all americans and he is going to be -- it's going to be a full-time job for him. >> kellyanne conway, the good news is theories on our end or your enaboend about that satellite blip. alex and katy who has been covering the campaign, maureen

live television, it's all good. katy, i find it interesting donald trump over the last 48 hours has been a lot different than the donald trump you covered for the last three weeks. >> he was on prompter quite a bit. he has been off more. that campaign event or hotel promotion on friday was a lot different. he did try to give the cameras only no editorial presence a tour of his hotel. that doesn't jive with what he was off script when he was talking about robert gates over the weekend, trashing him, off script when he was talking about calling it a bomb in new york before the officials were calling it a bomb in new york. he has been going after people on twitter quite a bit lately. maureen, you know about this. this is the donald trump that we were seeing more in the past. i think it's because he is getting more comfortable with

the three weeks and then suddenly you are like, there's old donald trump again. undisciplined donald trump. is he cocky? >> i don't think you are seeing that. you are see -- he is always going to be donald trump. there is no other donald trump. i think as we have learned in this campaign. but i still think this long-term tread has been longer than three weeks. donald trump is moving up in the polls. hillary clinton is moving down in the polls. donald trump is strength in an he is change where we're heading in the wrong direction. i think sometimes we get lost in the minutia of the campaign, all the small issues that aren't central to anyone in making a decision about picking a president. >> maureen, you know him a little bitter than anybody at this table, i think, even more so than alex. he loves members of the media. he does spend time talking to members of the media, even as he hates on them. what are you seeing from him?

so a lot is the same. because it's all his ego arithmetic. why would voters vote for you? because i got great ratings on larry king. because x number of men hit on melania. it was these numbers of his success. he said he was going to put his name x number of times on a building he had just built. same. he is judging himself by these numbers. in another sense, he is completely the opposite. because he was this new york white rapper bling king and liberal and now he is an alt-right conservative, women should be punished for abortions, completely different guy.

>> let me bring up the birtherism issue. does this -- what happened friday, did it put an end, as donald trump wants to say, or did it suddenly give the clinton campaign a way to motivate president obama more to help? thank >> thanks for poking me with a stick with this issue. we have been tracking this since 2008, through the campaign. i'm going to be hawking a book next month myself. track sort of this would impacted in the electorate. i'm not going to play nice games with this. this birtherism stuff is a soft place for racism to land. it's a soft place for racism to land, plain and simple. we have had a couple hundred years of presidents and none of them have had this attack on them. the making him not a real american, it is -- >> by the way, let me ask you, you were on the '08 campaign with obama. do you want to clear up what you

campaign, if -- what did you believe? >> it's news to us that this was coming -- >> i don't think so. >> it's news to us. i was on the campaign. so for us on the campaign, we never saw this as something being driven by the clinton campaign. >> you never thought mark penn was trying -- you said -- mark penn wrote about other. did you think he was toying in that world? >> before you answer, i have it here. from his memo, which mark called lack of american roots in w imagine america electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center american in his thinking and values. if donald trump said that in 2008, we would all be sitting here saying, that was the start of the birtherism. >> he has been saying -- >> mark penn said this. >> it never came from -- it never came from hillary's mouth. >> just her strategist. >> it's coming from your

quite a while. >> it did come from hillary clinton on a "60 minutes" interview where he said he was a christian, as far as you know. the otherness of -- >> that's further -- >> answer that part of that, alex. when do two wrongs make a right? he did it for five years after the fact. how do you explain that away? >> i would explain it this way. being on the trump team that, i being treated very differently on this very issue. because this is something that hillary clinton's campaign started when it was convenient for her but the media covers it as if it is only donald trump who has taken the campaign -- >> alex, i have to tell -- >> that's not an answer. >> there isn't -- there's an answer here. i think the big question about obama is not where he was born or his faith. the big question about obama has been, has he been -- has he

there is an otherness to this president. people have tried to exploit that politically in different way. the clinton campaign tried to exploit it this way. the way their strategist said by saying his lack of american roots is an issue. >> make what donald trump has been doing comparable to what -- that's not fair. it's not fair at all. it's not even close to being the same. >> you should take that up with mark penn. >> i can take it up with hillary clinton. it's not something she's it's not something she pushed. it's not the same. >> i will pause the conversation here. we will come back, talk a little bit about the campaign and demographics after this. when we come back, in fact, it's headline like this one from "the wall street journal" that may be keeping the clinton campaign up

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struggles with this age group. her advantage dropped to over a five point lead now here in september. a fox news poll only has her up single digits among this group. you may know why democrats are worried. because both of these polls show her lagging far behind president bema obama's performance. he won them by 23 points in 2012. let's look at the state of michigan where a poll shows clinton'se under 35 plummeting. a 24-point lead in august, now just seven. not good news for her. president obama won voters under 30 by 28 points in 2012. look at wisconsin. a poll shows clinton's advantage under 30 dropping from 30 to 23 points in the month of august. this shows her with the same margin obama won by in 2012. but she can't afford to keep falling with that group. what do we learn from this?

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let's bring back the panel. i think it was saturday "the new york times," maureen, had a lead that said -- interviewing upper west siders panicking. referred to it as the polls are showing a margin of panic for clinton supporters. describe this eastoa have seen among the elite this week. >> right. my friends -- one of my friends calls it a national emergency. my friends won't even read any -- if i do interviews with trump. they won't read them. basically, they would like to sensor any stories about trump and also sensor any negative stories about hillary.

fr free pass because as she said, i'm the only thing standing between you and the ability. democratic strategists are -- >> there is -- let's talk about the numbers behind this concern. i pointed out the millennial issue. you have noted some of your work appeared in the "new york times." you noted there's an enthusiasm issue with the obama coalition. its voters under 30, young african-americans, young latinos, what is the conce what hasn't she's dress address? >> obama was a great love affair for these voters. 62% of the voters were under 35. we brought in a cadre of new voters. that's part of why he won. they were obama voters. they weren't democratic voters necessarily. they are more with us than they are with republicans on the issues.

yes. but at the same time, you see trump right now, he is going to get the lowest percentage of millennial voters of any candidate in the last decade. this is three elections where republicans have lost young voters in a way that does not bode well for them. >> let me show the importance of it. in 2012, barak obama lost voters over 30 in florida, ohio, pennsylvania and virginia but he carried all thundersho he clobbered romney with voters under 30. she's got an enthusiasm issue, but trump is not getting the voters. gary johnson is. >> trumps voters are excited. they are reagan democrats. the excitement is there. where is the excitement in hillary clinton campaign? usually, it's in younger voters, black votersed in a democratic presidential campaign. it's not there. the democratic establishment

if obama was a love affair, this is nanna clinton. nobody is excited about more of the same continuity in the democratic party. elizabeth warren, bernie sanders and obama can campaign all they want for her and they are pouring enthusiasm into a leaky bucket. it does not work. referred enthusiasm does not work in politics. >> quickly, i gotta tell you, two months out in 2012, we were wringing o voters. a lot of my republican friends said you will never get the turnout. when you look at the issues that lock in where she is and he is, it's not a contest. >> they are not excited. if referred enthusiasm does not work -- if you were to ask me, am i excited that cornell is going to have sex with sophia

to excite voters. >> there is excitement at trump events. but there is excitement -- >> there's excitement at trump event. i will say this about what alex is mentioning. we would see trump voters wait in negative 5 degree snowy temperatures to see donald trump at a rally. my question is, are they going to wait in line to vote for trump if they -- if there are long lines? i think so. areil to take a day off work and wait in line? that's the big question. the excitement level is different on the trump side, because they are so enthusiastic about him. >> let me sneak in a little break. what makes running for president so different than it used to be? - this costs you money and runs on gas. this saves you money and runs on calories.

we are back now with end game. i did mention the great maureen dowd is here. you have a book. you wrote something interested covering presidential candidates. you yourself have come to the conclusion that there are different things that go into what makes a good presidential candidate. you noted the resume argument. just because you have the longest resume doesn't necessarily mean you are going to make a good decision. you were noting you thought this was not necessarily the best argument for president obama to make on behalf of hillary clinton. >> yes. well, i think we learned a

donald rumrumsfeld that you can still make a mistake. >> i wonder looking back on what we have seen with clinton and i wanted to bring this up in the last part of the conversation. he has she spent too much time bashing trump? >> i think we will see from the clinton campaign a focus on turning her attention to talking about who going to fight for. younger voters don't know her, they don't know her history and what she's fighting for. you will see a laser-like focus. >> it's september 18, man. >> we were nervous about the young voters in 2012. they came out, alex. >> it will be tougher this time. >> i guess -- go to, how does --

>> i think it's all the same question we were just discussing. if this campaign is about hillary clinton or donald trump and their character or temperament, it stays the way it is now. what donald trump does well when he makes his campaign not about either of them but about the american people and their future and is there something better than what we have now. she has a problem with that. hillary clinton has made this campaign about her. she t message. trump has make america great again. that's what might blow this up. well, as we proved to you, we do this live, not pre-taped. before we go, a programming note. amalcle clooney is fighting for human rights. we will be back next week. the sunday before the first

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