what quality jobs would they be? climbing windmills'? replacing broken bearings? >> the republican plan has an interesting and this is on nuclear, something i know you know a lot about. >> nuclear, i believe, is a great asset to the human race. because you can make a lot of electricity from a very small amount of nuclear fuel. a big power plants, you make so much of it, you can make an amazing amount. 1,380 megawatts and the new one would probably be 1,600 megawatts. that is a lot of power. a single wind turbine in the right conditions, a few mega watts. i mean, it is disproportionate. there is something cultural, something social, something a bit unrealistic about this love

of alternative power. >> especially in a time when we need more and more electricity. >> the people up there in nantucket and the langland did not think it was such a nice idea when the wind farm -- in new england did not think it was such a nice a dear -- >> i think it was the view. >> that is the point, wind farms are ugly. tens of millions -- you have killed a lot of birds and bats and yet something not very pretty to look at. >> get down to the idea of demand. we've got more computers, more electronics. if we go to electric cars, we will need more power. how do we do this? >> if we do not find a new source, a concentrated source of energy -- they talk about energy density, with this thing how much energy can you get, not much how you can get out of this thing where there is no density. you here, for example, people

who did extraordinarily excited about hydrogen. well, there is a lot of hydrogen accepted as always combined with something else. it is not hydrogen itself. >> pure. >> it is and what her, coal, natural gas, in oil. the easiest way is to get it out of natural gas. why do that when natural gas would do most of the work? and there are other problems. but talking about energy density, it is one-tenth the power, the density of natural gas use in the kitchen. that means you need a lot of it to do a job. it is not strong enough to turn a conventional engine. it has to be fed through a fuel cell the vice to direct -- device to direct elections. if you have a hydrogen car, all that comes out of the tail pipe is a little water.

but it is no way to go. you will have to build a nuclear plant probably to get the hydrogen out of water. so, you end up in a sort of crazy -- because it appeals -- nuclear became something very strange. nuclear is kind of like socialism. to the left, it is the bogeyman, just as socialism to the right as the bogeyman. and most of these people -- both of these bogeymen are phonies, they don't exist. >> where did you get bogyman thing? >> i read the wrong book. a typo. the republican plan also has an interesting component. there would be prizes for cars that get more than 100 miles a gallon. i like that idea, prizes. and i like prizes. >> there is an incentive. >> but if you were building such a car, you have to sell a certain number of them.

if you are selling these cars, you don't need a prize, you are onto something. hell, yes, steve jobs, we've got a prize for you for being inattentive. i realize it is only a tiny fraction of your own pay. and marvelous story, is it worked and aviation. in the early days of flying, a newspaper in england -- >> i have a feeling -- >> called "the daily mail" gave prices -- prizes for flights from london -- >> did you work there? >> i never have. >> were you fired? >> you have to be hired to be fired, linda. they had these prizes for flying across the english channel. there were many prizes like that that gave incentives. there is a prize, you know, for

a rocket to space. those prizes of work. i think the space 1 is $10 million. but for large industrial company to give a prize to general motors for doing its job seems a bit silly to me. the republican plan, i think, underestimates the amount that we have to conserve. and the left wing is dead right, we use to much energy for everything. we use to much in our buildings, we use to much in our homes, mcmansions set it up, the devices, the map -- the vampire's better on. our future one way or another is electrical. it is not in whale, it is an electricity. and it is how we make it. if we byrne coal, the air does not improve. we burned 52 percent as coal.

if we can use something else, and mix of maybe wind and nuclear, because in 10 years we will see lots of electrical vehicles on the road. >> you think we are a nation of nuclear deniers? >> i think there are very severe problems because nuclear had a bad introduction. it is not easy technology. it is easy for politicians to say it has no pollution except in the little waste. it is a difficult technology. it needs government supervision. nobody suggests you deregulate nuclear safety. it needs commitments, stability, it is a big, complex -- a physicist said they were big chemical plants but they produced some of electricity and they will get better. we have not billed or designed new ones since the 1970's. if we build new ones they would

be more efficient, safe for. you can always make any industrial thing safer than it was because there is no such thing as 100 percent safe. >> may i say that french socialism did not stifle nuclear innovation and france. >> that is true. that is something different. they took nuclear -- like frogs legs -- >> i don't think so. >> they took it as a badge of national pride and it has done wonders for them. they do not have the same need to do something about pollution. they do not have coal-fired plants. so, yes, it will be a big battle and is one i am more on the republican side that i am on obama's side but i still think his -- he is a stunningly interesting man. >> let us talk more about obama in the final minutes we have of the show. has been his at that?

i think it has been stunning myself. especially his foreign policy. >> first of all, it has rekindled everybody stayed in america as a pioneering place because we have an african- american presidents with an african-american family. it is amazing -- i am on the phone a lot with people in europe -- they are so impressed. this is what they expected of america. europeans and people elsewhere in the world -- and i mean most of the world -- have this view that we would be the innovators, clever thing, and then you give people don't do it and then they are upset and there are anti- american. but when america delivers -- there is a poem that talks about, my america. just the general idea of the promised land, it really has had a stunning effect around the

globe. and for whatever people say -- trying to pull apart the obama speech in cairo -- it could only be made by him. george w. bush could not have made it, bill clinton could not have. >> he has had an amazing effect. when you look at the elections in lebanon, everybody had called the election for his the law. >> i think sean hannity said it was an apology speech. >> i did not think he did hear the speech. but the ripple effect of that speech i think will be felt for a very long time and it will really encourage people who have not really had a chance, whether they are women, people of color, it is an amazing thing that he has done and it will certainly -- >> it is a great statement. speeches are very important. down through history -- churchill's speech is in the second world war, the berlin speech of kennedy, and of

reagan -- >> which leads me to speeches. >> you have made easily 3000 speeches in your lifetime. >> i have not change the world. >> at the commencement, what did you tell young people? i rather like talking to high schools and it is something i have only done recently. i have done universities, most of the big ones -- now in this point of my life, more and emphasize what -- empathize with the young people than i did when i was young. kids don't build barriers around yourselves -- don't do that, don't take other people's evaluation of you and do something that belongs to that, i cannot take away from you, world. >> i wanted thank you for being my guest. i know you have been inspiring our viewers and listeners for a very long time. the thing is, anybody can watch

one of looking posses beaches on our website. though there and watch some -- a speech that he gave to one of these high schools is absolutely wonderful. we have had our thinking caps on, and my hat is off to you. >> when will use of the flowers gone? >> very soon. i hope everybody will join us next week on "white house chronicle." same time, same station. wear a hat, if you'd like. i certainly will be wearing mine sometime in the white house. look for it. i will be asking my questions with my hat on and maybe llewellyn king will, too. join us again. bye-bye.

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