tv Charlie Rose WHUT September 15, 2009 11:00pm-12:00am EDT
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>> charlie: welcome to the broadcast from two events today in washington, a follow-up to our stories last night about the economic crisis and also afghanistan and then we introduce you to an amazing young argentine tennis player, age 20, who on monday won the u.s. open. the first grand slam talking about his tennis game, his victory and his parents. >> i won the second set in the tie-break and after i start to play much better. i see his backhand and he start to miss easy balls and he's moving and everything going slowly and i say this is my
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moment. i tried to keep the defense because everybody knows he's the best one and if he has an opportunity he take it and i did. >> that will tell you that anything can happen. it's great to have a great new fresh face in the men's game. >> charlie: we conclude this evening with the fabulous juliette binoche in new york appearing in "dance" a film retrospective and has a new film all "paris." what are you scared to do? >> still scared of loving. >> charlie: are you really? because you've been hurt? >> how do you know that? i mean, you've got to be hurt. i think in the humiliation. >> charlie: nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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>> there's a humility and a feels a little contradictory but the humiliation allows you to have the simplest that requires the sort of a loving state. which is not about yourself but about something else. >> charlie: a follow up economics and afghanistan and juan martin del potro and juliette binoche.
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captioning sponsored by rose communications frk city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: we begin with the follow-up to the this financial chris because the the president's appearance and ben bernanke gave his appraisal since the economic crisis and spiking in washington at the brookings institution he said the government stopped the free fall and strengthened key sectors of the economy. >> overall the policy actions implemented stabilize a number of key financial markets both in the united states and abroad. short term funding markets are functioning more normally. corporate bond issuance has been strong and activity has picked up.
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stock prices are partially recovered and u.s. mortgage rates have declined markedly. fears of financial collapse have receded substantially. after contracting sharply over the past year, economic activity appears to be leveling out both in the united states and abroad and the prospects for a return to growth in the near term appear good. not withstanding the noteworthy progress, critical challenges exist. financial institutions face sig cast additional losses and households continue to face difficulty in gaining access to credit. because of these and other factors the economic recough is likely to be slow at first with unemployment declining gradually from low levels. >> charlie: and taking questions of the speech he e elaborated o
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his forecast but warned of high unemployment said the economy could soon grow again. >> we are in a recovery and will see growth in the third quarter continuing and growth will continue into 2010. but the general view of most forecasts is that that pace of growth in 2010 will be moderate, less than you might expect given the depth of the recession because of ongoing headwinds including still ongoing financial and credit problems, deleveraging by households. the needs for adjustments in the economy, sectoral adjustments and the need for fiscal exit and many factors that will likely at least based on current information make the 2010 recovery moderate and in
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particular not much faster sort of the underlying potential growth rate of the economy and the arithmetic is unless the economy grows significantly faster than its longer term growth rate, it will be relatively slow in creating jobs over and above those needed to employ people coming into the labor force and therefore the unemployment rate will tend to come down quite slowly. that's a risk and a possibility. there are risks on both sides. we could have a stronger recovery or a weaker recovery but if we do in fact see moderate growth but not growth much more than the underlying potential growth race than unfortunately unemployment will be slow to come down. it will come down but it will take time. obviously, that's a very serious concern and one reason why though from a technical perspective the recession is very likely over at this point.
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it's still going to feel like a very weak economy for some time as many people will still find their job security and their employmen employment status is not what they wish it was. >> charlie: and in a follow-up to the conversation about afghanistan, we looked at the testimony today of mike mullen the top military officer speaking on hearing on his nomination as chief joint of staff and head additional troops will likely be needed in afghan. >> i don't know what additional resources general mccystal may ask for or what ratio of training to combat units he really needs. we'll get to all of that in the coming weeks but i believe hearing behind views and having great confidence in his
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leadership a properly resourced counter insurgency probably means more forces and without question, more time and more commitment to the protection of the afghan people and to the development of good governments. >> charlie: admiral mullen addressed the preference for building up the afghan security forces before deploying more combat troops. >> as you rightly pointed out last week, mr. chairman, i share your view that larger and more capable afghan national security forces remain vital to that nation's viability. i share your view and have stated publicly the path to achieving the president's goal is through training efforts. we must rapidly build the afghan army and police. and i agree that we must develop more and better ways to peel away those not ideologically committed to the insurgency and reintegrate them back to the productive society and we have
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to recognize they're both manpower and time intensive. more important than the size of the afghan security force it's their quality. more important than the orders they follow, is the leadership they exude. and more important than the numbers of taliban we turn, are the personal lives they themselves turn around. second more trainers more quickly will give us a jumpstart but only that. quality training takes time and patience. private trust by the afghans so vital to our purpose is not fostered in a public hurry. >> charlie: senator john mccaine the top republican warned without an increase in troops more u.s. lives would be endanger. >> general mccrystal as we know completed an assessment of the challenges still in the way of meeting the president's strategy which clearly will be the requirement for increases in
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troops and a want too emphasize every day we delay in implementing this strategy and increasing the number of troops there which we all know is varietily needed puts more and more young persons already there lives' in danger. i don't think we should do that. soon general mccrystal recommends how many additional troops he thinks is necessary. i hope we don't delay the decision for long and will approve the troop increases that we know are being sought by general mccrystal working with gen petraeus. >> charlie: we offer continuing coverage of these two important stories in the days and weeks and months ahead. up next we meet the 2009 u.s. open champion, juan martin del potro.
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>> charlie: this year's u.s. open tennis championship was reaching a crowing achievement for rodger federer and he was in new york marching toward his 6th u.s. open. that expectation and that dream was statered by 20-year-old 6-foot-6 challenger, juan martin del potro. after defeating rafael nadal in straight sets on saturday he confirmed his skill and won the saga. here is match point. >> he's getting closer here in the second serve.
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>> and one of the great upsets in u.s. open history. tennis has a new champion, 20-year-old juan martin del potro. >> charlie: he is the first argentine to win the u.s. open since guillermo villas and pleased to have him here to talk about this trophy. >> thank you very much. >> charlie: what's most surprising about this to you? >> everything. with the crown and my mind and i was losing since the first point and then i was fighting but losing the margin and it's difficult to play against roger but i of course i did everything
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perfect after the second set and i get the trophy. >> charlie: how was the third set different from the first set in terms of your head and how you played? >> well, i won the second set in the tie breaker and after i start to play much better i see his backhand, he start to miss easy balls and his movement is going slowly and a say this is my moment. i tried to keep the defense. >> he's got the set. >> he's got a match. >> because roger, everybody knows he's the best one and if he has an opportunity he take it and i did trust myself just
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trust what my coach says and that's it. >> charlie: what was the strategy? >> first tried to ensure it and i was so nervous last night in the first set and of course i would love to be in the final but i would love to win and the strategy was trying to find his backhand and if i have the chance to go to the net do it and be focussed every point because i know -- i dream with this moment and i will take my chance. >> charlie: you are must have talked on the telephone with your parents. >> yes, i talk when i finished the match but we can't speak too much because i was crying and they were crying and everybody was so excited and it was difficult to talk. >> charlie: you have gone from
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ranked 60th to six in the last year. what changed about your game? >> a lot. i changed my serve, my forehand, i play more aggressive right now. i can play in every surface and that's very important to be top ten or to be a great champion in the future. zmr >> charlie: when you look at this burg, sampras, federer, federer, federer, you knew going on to that court yesterday at 4:00 you had a chance. >> yeah. when i beat rafa i start to see the final. my mind change a lot. i start to feel in the sensation
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and nervous of my first final and think that helped me to be quiet in that moment and to be focussed in the important moment and to fight for my chance. >> charlie: the fact that you had played and beaten roger before, did that make a difference? >> i was so close in the french open but i lost the match. i missed with my i don't play good points at important moments and he takes his opportunity and last night i did everything good. in the important moments i put the ball into the court. i was looking for my winner and that's the way to play with roger. >> charlie: when you double faulted, twice --
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>> that's a pity. double faults his way right out of the set. federer leads two sets to one. >> charlie: what did you say to yourself? >> i say bad things. >> charlie: stop it. >> and many things. >> charlie: bad things? you said bad things to yourself? >> yeah, i say, martin you keep fighting. you are playing good and then you are close to the set and you miss the serve. how can this possible but when i lay down my head and the crowd start to turn for me and i feel everybody -- >> charlie: we all wanted to see
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it go all the way to five sets. >> it helped me a lot to keep trying. >> charlie: the forehands cross-court. >> my! >> charlie: were adds hard and fast as anything i've seen and i've seen a lot of tennis. is that your best shot? >> yes, i think so. it's my favorite shot and i use it at very important moments. it somtimes works. >> charlie: it sometimes doesn't? but it mostly did. >> i go into the court. >> charlie: what's your assessment of roger's game yesterday? well, roger plays -- he never changes his game and he has the game to beat me but yesterday i played very focussed.
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i tried to move him to the baseline and trying to play harder than him. the key to roger and nadal is to play unbelievable tennis and everything you should do everything perfect and that's what i did yesterday. >> >> you're the tallest player to win the open, maybe ever to win the grand slam, yes? >> yeah. >> charlie: why is that? why have tall players not done as well in the past? >> i don't know. i feel very comfortable with my size for me it's an advantage for the serve. >> charlie: but like sampras you developed ground strokes and you can play the baseline as long as you need to. >> yeah, i love to play in the baseline but i want to improve in the net. >> charlie: if the forehand is the best shot, what's the worse
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shot? what is the weakest? >> maybe volley. >> charlie: the volley? >> yeah, i think so. if you have a good volley, a good slice you make a difference. >> charlie: so here you are as the u.s. open champion and you cry with your parents and cheer with your friends and out late last night celebrating i'm sure, what do you attribute it to. why are you going find your name on this trophy? >> this is my dream. i always practice for this moment. i always keep trying for winning the grand slam. of course my favorite is the u.s. open. >> charlie: why is that? >> i don't know, i love new york. the love the flashing and everything and the trophy.
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>> charlie: what's your best surface? >> hard court. >> charlie: and grass? >> not too good. and clay. >> charlie: and clay. >> i learned to play tennis on clay court and all argentinian players know. >> charlie: if you were starting ul backhand? >> yeah. >> charlie: you still would? >> yeah. >> charlie: what's the advantage? power? >> more control. more power. when you feel nervous you have two hands to play. >> charlie: the court sets, where does that come from? the sense of being able to be smart about playing the court. just doing it.
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>> it's difficult to go to the court to play against the best tennis player in history. >> these hardest i've ever seen this shot hit. even his reaction was great. >> charlie: he is in your judgment, rodger federer the greatest player ever to play the game? >> yeah, but i always thinking in my chance and my game and believing in myself i was quiet all the months trying to take my chance and i think i did everything perfect. >> charlie: yes, you did. was there a moment in your career in which you thought you could be here? could win a grand slam. was it five years ago or two years ago or ten years ago or was it last week? >> no, i think after french open -- >> charlie: really? >> i say --
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>> charlie: i can win a grand slam? >> -- i can win a grand slam or beat roger. >> charlie: who's tougher for you, roger or rafa? >> roger. >> charlie: roger is tougher? >> his game is so good and his slice, his volley, his serve and i don't like to play rafa because the ball comes harder. >> charlie: from roger? harder? >> yeah. >> charlie: it used to be said and mcenroe mentioned this that if you're frequently you attack a tall player by trying to make them bend their knees more, did rafa and roger try that? >> yeah, everybody try. >> charlie: and you expect it. >> i always work it out because i don't like to play against
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roger because his slice too good and i have to lay down to hit the ball. if i improve in that moment i can be a good player. >> charlie: what's the dream now? maybe be number one. number one in the world. >> charlie: who else is tough for you other than roger? who gives you a hard time? >> murray. >> charlie: andy murray. because of a similar game? >> yeah and we play juniors player and we have a particular relation. >> charlie: what kind of relation? >> now we have a good relation. when we are juniors we play in every tournament and he beat me. >> charlie: tell me about growing up. when did you start. when did you first put a tennis
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raquet up your hand. >> six or seven. >> charlie: they put sent you. what happens when somebody in a small town in argentina with a tennis game there to here. >> i play both sports and i remember the moment when my first coach said to me you have a chance to be a great player but you have to pick a sport if you want to be professional. i choose tennis and i think i did a good choice. >> charlie: do you love the game? >> yeah.
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yeah. i really love tennis. >> charlie: what is it about tennis that makes you love it so much? >> we live like another world. we always been five-star hotels. we play in unbelievable cities, unbelievable stadium. >> charlie: adoring fans. >> of course. everything is lovely. >> charlie: there's nothing wrong with your life, is it? >> maybe the trips how many many time-outs you are away from your family but you have more good things to see. >> charlie: now that you won do you think they'll come to australia or wimbledon or paris. >> now that they believe in my game -- >> charlie: try to get them to come? >> and keep winning. >> charlie: how much coaches
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have you had? >> just two. they've been with me this tournament and every tournament. >> charlie: pete sampras used to say to me and others the reason he this a fantastic serve was something having to do with his shoulder. you've been a great athlete all your life. fast, great hand-eye coordination, all those things or not? >> yeah, first to be in a professional sport. >> charlie: you've got to be a great physical athlete. >> yeah, and i work for that because every roger, rafa and he can run for six hours. that's what i want to do in the future. >> charlie: six hours run? >> yeah. >> charlie: rafa can do that more than anything. physically he's the best. are you working on that? >> yeah, i want to be better.
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>> charlie: how tired were you in the fifth set. >> so tired. >> charlie: you just saw the collapse at the end. >> yes, when we are finished the fourth set i start to feel cramping in my legs but i want to show to anybody -- >> charlie: nobody. >> because if roger see that -- >> charlie: he would take advantage. >> it would be impossible for me but when the match point's over and the match is over, i feel more relaxed and more confident. you >> you said as you talked to the crowd, you were going get a massage. what did you do after the victory last night? >> we take a dinner with some friends and then we go to a bar and celebrate a little bit. >> charlie: lots of toasts. >> yeah. >> charlie: congratulations. this is a remarkable.
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roger said i thought most appropriately at the end you deserved it. >> thank you very much. >> charlie: thank you. come back when you win wimbledon. >> you're inviting me? >>? i'm inviting you now. thank you very much. it was remarkable. back in a moment. >> when you beat rafael nadal yesterday you said i think this is the most beautiful moment in my life. how do you feel now? >> much better. i have two dreams, one is u.s. open and the other is beat roger. one is done, but i need to improve a lot to be like you. i would like to congratulate you. >> you know, in 118 years of this united states championship only one argentine has won the title, guillermo villa and one
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south american, here's the second. >> it's nice to win. it's nice for south america and for me. i'm happy to be here with this crowd and these people and this court. i think this will be in my mind forever in my life. i don't have words to explain that. >> charlie: juliette binoche is here. in french she is simply known as la binoche and won an award for the "english patient" and proven herself as a dancer, poet and painter. this month in new york a contribution to the world of art will be celebrated with dance performances, a film retrospective and the release of her new film "paris." here's a look at the trailer for that film. >> in paris a city of a thousand faces, everyone has a story.
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[ speaking french ] >> paris. >> charlie: i'm pleased to have juliette binoche back at this table. welcome. >> thank you. >> charlie: tell me what's it's about. you play elysse who comes to see her brother with your three children. >> and finds out that he's sick. >> charlie: he's dying. >> he's dying and so actually
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she sees her life in a different way after that because he's like a mirror of life. like, you've got to make your life happy. nobody's going to do it for you. >> charlie: and he's thinking of how he'll spend the time between and understands his mortality. >> and my character's caught up between kids, work, lack of money, lack of time, stress of cities and all that and then finally she's going to through her brother's experience the treasure of life and another way of living and giving back some kind of hopes and a boyfriend. but you have so many different characters in this film and different stories that cross each other and so it's, like you have other parents, it's
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interesting. >> charlie: it's his. >> yeah. >> charlie: it is a cinematic love letter someone said to paris. >> yes, but i think it's true for any city because you have so many memories. each corner lost you of this love or the first kiss or betrayal or whatever. it becomes your heart and you go from one place to the next one and it's always in side of you related to a very specific emotion and thought and sensation as well. so paris is also the city of lovers, of course, and -- >> charlie: city of lights and love. >> and arts as well. there's a lot about that in this film. >> charlie: had you always had an interesting relationship with directors. how was it with cedric?
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>> i wrote a poem of him and did a portrait as well. >> charlie: talk about that. we'll show a picture of the book in which you paint portraits of directors and of yourself and write poems. >> myself in a movie in a specific character i played. actually i didn't know how it was going to come up but the fact of entering into the memory with the brush and ink and i was surprised myself how it came out because the idea was to jump into it without knowing. without having a mental decision in me and i would always start with eyes. so that's why i was keen on calling this book portrait in eyes. if the eyes were not intense enough for deep enough or related to this place for each one had a different place, then i would throw it away and start again. >> charlie: has your
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relationship with directors today evolved. is it different what with you expect and the level of intimacy. >> well, you have a bit of animal in you because otherwise -- >> charlie: i said it nicely. >> you have to do and be everything as actors. you got to be an animal as much as an angel and intellectual and you have to transform and directors allow to you with their ears and eyes to transform and if you have a wonderful relationship with a director it's like flying off. >> charlie: and it frequently is. >> i had this feeling of flying shooting. >> charlie: and if you don't have that it makes it a miserable experience?
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>> no, you have to work in an another way. side ways. not being too frontal. in the alchemy of shooting there's sort of -- it takes you and it's got to take you. otherwise if you mentalize everything you can't make it work. i can't make a decision with my mind. i do it and play and then i know whether it's right or wrong but it's my body not my mind. >> charlie: have you more open because you're a more confident soul? >> i experienced so many different minds and hearts and sometimes crazy, sometimes too perfect. i prefer craziness as to rational and conventional because craziness allows you to dare and i love daring because otherwise why? >> charlie: and that's been the nature of your life.
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>> i think you have to check on you. we tend to repeat ourselves and go to habits but to take different angles allows you to be fresh again and spontaneous because we always want to go to the new. to dangerous places where you don't know what's going to be the next step because otherwise why. then you change. you do something else. >> charlie: is fear a part of your life then because you fear the new? you like the gamble, you like the risk, you like the chance. >> i like the transformation. it's about transforming. >> charlie: becoming something else. transforming. >> peeling off. >> charlie: being naked. >> there's a nakedness i love about any arts because when you get into this empty space i call it you're end your true self and that's where i found the
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fascination of the dance or the painting there's a place where it's not about yourself or your will it's about something that's going to take you and guide you. that's the amazing thing. >> charlie: this is something you were born with, not something you learned is it? you were like this as a kid? >> but you can feel it and you smell something and you grow with it and you learn. because i made mistakes and thank god i made them because i learned from them and after that the more you go the more you know this i've done. i'm not going to do it again. >> charlie: do you look back at all? >> well, this retrospective of films, it's a looking back but i wanted to do the exhibition of portraits and writing poems -- well in the beginning they were just letters and i took out words and they were poems. it became poems by itself i'd say but i wanted to say
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something to them because the first impulse i had writing was to write to to kozlovskozlovskit an urge of saying something. >> charlie: reading and knowing you from the interviews over the year there's a sense of adventure and you have chosen too almost like your heart has dictated what you do rather than your mind. you have not been someone that said how do i create a career. you basically said how do i go out and be an artist in my own mind and how go out and have fun and explore and be curious and -- >> i'm not surprised the heart is in the middle of our body because it's actually the reflection of another place. that's what i believe. it's the body, certainly, and we live because of that space but i
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believe that if the mind is related to the heart, the mind tells you and so creative but you have to relate it into your heart and body. >> charlie: where does it begin the heart or mind? >> the problem is when you start to cut yourself into pieces then you're off. you're off yourself. but you're right, the trigger is the heart. >> charlie: but you have no regrets do you? >> i don't even think of that word. what does it mean. >> charlie: exactly. >> do i have regrets. i must have regrets but i don't see them as regrets. >> charlie: in other words, you may have made choice has it weren't the right choice but you don't look back and say oh, damn. >> you plunge into it and make mistakes and that's part of it. >> charlie: when you took dance tell me about how it began. there's a story about your
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masseuse's husband was a choreographer. >> she had her elbow in my back. >> charlie: and you looked? >> no, but she asked do you want to dance and i said yes. >> charlie: she said do you want to dance? >> yes, i was on my belly and i said yes and after that she invited me to see something and i loved it and we sat together. there was a sort of a silence. an intense silence because we didn't know how to start with some how and inviting me to do like three days in trying things and so for the three days it was interesting because the first day was about him showing me movement and at the end i said i'm sorry, i'm not a dancer. i don't think that's a good
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idea. it started from nothing. i said nothing? what do you mean nothing? >> were you doing other things while you were doing this or was it an obsessive two-year project? >> it was difficult because you've got to train your bod yeah and breath and all that but what i discovered was my energy. the muscle world with the tendons and the ligaments and a chi gong master and working with him -- >> charlie: this is after the dance thing started. >> while i was doing it and creating it i had to have a second life some how in order to protect myself because other wise i wouldn't survive because we were touring six months and going to twelve different place
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and new york was the last venue after we go back to brooklyn. >> charlie: and how many performances? >> we've done 80 performances and got 20 more. >> charlie: are you more end touch with your body? >> the discovery of the body has been a wonderful, wonderful journey. >> charlie: about what have you discovered? >> the chi. the energy i was telling you about. >> charlie: the chi. >> you've got to trust your body. it's going to transform bit by bit and the moments of blurriness -- sometimes i was literally blurry. i couldn't see and i couldn't remember. the memory thing is crazy when you have to repeat a movement you can't remember anything and after a while it just came but it's true, every night is a new discovery because the beginning has a certain quality and it's a transformation so it depends.
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>> charlie: you make a lot of movies. >> do i? >> charlie: how many do you make a year. >> it took me two years to make one year and in 11 months i made five films. >> charlie: that's the dance and the book. is there something to be said about you at this stage in your life? you're writing, your painting, your dancing, i mean, you'll be singing before long. >> no, i think being the witness of life you have to move to something new and it's -- it was like a snowball. you know, one came after the other that came after the other. i'd say the first daring was to say yes without thinking once you said you want to dance. it was like do you want to do the impossible. do you want to imagine something new. >> charlie: and there's a rule i
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believe in you will only regret the things you say no, to not the things you say yes to. >> that's beautiful. >> charlie: that's what you regret, what you didn't do, not what you did do. what are you scared to do? >> still scared of loving. >> charlie: are you really? because you've been hurt? >> how do you know that? you've got to be hurt some how. >> >> nothing ventured, nothing gained. >> there's a humility you learn and it feels contradictory but it very well goes together. the humiliation allows to you have the simplest, the simplicity that requires this sort of a loving state. this is not about yourself but about something else. >> charlie: have two children.
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>> yeah. >> charlie: how old are they now? >> nine and sixteen. >> charlie: they have their own active life now? >> the older one. very independent, very mature. >> charlie: are they with you? >> yeah. their father's in paris. but you're scared of love. >> i fall in easily and i would give everything but there must be another way. >> charlie: you wouldn't give your art for love. >> i don't think you can do that. >> charlie: you don't think you can stop? >> no, because life is about finding your task and giving what you got to give in life. not about giving up what your life is. >> charlie: it adds to it.
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>> it's loving and about everything. it's accepting everything. it's not dividing. >> charlie: but when you look at all the work you've done across the spectrum do you think you work better when you'ra in love or when you're alone? >> that's a good question. in a certain way you work better when you're in love because you're more open, you're more vulnerable and -- >> charlie: and alive. >> but that's a way of loving in a different way, when your not in love, you're loving too but in a different way which is -- i believe you can recreate everything with your heart and mind and body and that's what we do as actors. we have to recreate but still -- you can fall in love with a lot
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of different people. it doesn't mean you make love to them and have a life with them or whatever but there's a certain connection you can share on a certain level that the falling in love is in a place where it's -- where it's -- >> charlie: yes. and there's risk and danger. if you've looked at all the people you fall in love with. >> i can see you love the subject because you go on with questions. >> charlie: yes indeed and why not. do all the men you fall in love with, are they alike or been wildly different or have this instinct to go for the same kind? >> that's an interesting question because i man said to me all the women i've been with is the same big woman and i could see this big woman lying down and being the same but i believe that actually i feel
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like i've been with a lot of different men but why we go back to that place each time, if you have to go back -- >> charlie: you say that as if you're exhausted thinking about it? >> i wish i had just one man in my life it would be resolving all the things but it hasn't been like that and that's the way it is. >> charlie: is it about you or about them? >> it's about both. but i'll take the responsibility. i can take the responsibility. >> charlie: it's hard for you to have one man? >> no, no, i'm very faithful. >> charlie: i'm not talking about fidelity, of the heart, in other words, it's not hard for you, you are not so curious, adventurous, self-directed that you could not be madly in love
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and faithful. i'm trying to get out of it. i don't know how to get out of it. so what's on the calendar -- >> what i wanted to say is it's about in a couple is that you -- why do we go back to it is that it reaches an intimacy that it doesn't reach in an another relationship where there's not a physical relationship or intimate re intimate relationship and i think we go back to it because there's an interaction inside ourself we can only reach because of the other. that's what a believe. and it's actually more about being in touch with the depth of ourselves of the hidden place of ourselves that we want so much to be with the other. i don't think it's about the other. you see what i'm saying? >> charlie: it's your own what? >> because you get in touch with
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places that you've never been in touch with before you met the person so -- that's why it's unbearable sometime and wonderful sometimes. because you're reaching different spaces inside you. you want to reach, of course, a place where there's respect and then love. the respect is is the most difficult because you've got to be in touch enough where you can stop, there's the limit to respect the other and it takes a while. i think it takes maturity in order to get there and i have good plans -- [laughter] >> charlie: you reached that mature level you can handle it now. >> i hope so. i'm still a little girl and you're a little boy i'm sure
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because otherwise >> charlie: there is this also, does acting give you some of this, some of this of all the things you just described about love. does acting -- nothing can be, nothing, no work can be or should be all that you just said but if you have the right kind of passion for work it can be the closest substitute i think. in other words, you can find a level of satisfaction, passion, sacrifice. >> i understand what you're saying. in the dance touring i was moving around a lot physically and then i did this fil fill in between now and the camera was very still. like a ten-minute shot a consequence shot and actually
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the movement i was experiencing was inside and i said i'm dancing inside. i'm dancing emotionally and it wasn't as clear as it was at that moment and after certain takes i felt like i'll never feel that freedom, that happiness again because it's such an encounter and actually i asked why are you acin acting be you don't know -- the money is not your interest. >> charlie: that's not why you do it. >> you're suffering to get into a sudden state as an actress. where's your joy and i say it's the freedom of certain moments when you get inside and that you can share with the others as well. it's irreplaceable.
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can you say that? >> charlie: yeah. the movie is "paris" out soon and you'll be at "bam" to dance. the book is called "portrait in eyes". . the documentary film. thank you. >> thank you. ? >> pleasure. threw for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
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