>> rose: welcome to thprogram. we begin this ening with the governor of massachutts,eval patric >> i had some great teachers, adults, who paid attention to me who helped translate it for me and heed me crack the code. and i learned i could compete. i also learned how, you know, the sense in both... was that each world, both the academy world and my home on the south side of chicago, each o seemed to require the rejection of the other as a price of admissi and h that was aalse choice. that i had to figure out who i was and be that all the time. then youane any place. >> ros we continue with a look at reform in iran. >> you need to distinguish between change and change of regime. what we want is the right of

self-determination of the iranian people. the iranian people must be about to decide. we want a democratic government and if the people want to change the government and the regime it's up to the people decide. but what we want is to have a democratic process in iran. >> rose: we conclude this evening with ann kreamer and mark truss and the subject of emotion in the workplace. >> the recession meant that for the first time in american history women were over 50% of the work force. >> rose: right. >> so that was one of those ah-ha kind of lightbulbs. is this a moment to step back and rethink workplace norpls. how offices function. the send was inround the 2000s the functional magnetic resonance imaging machine lowed us to look at working human brains. so i thought are women and men different in any kind of neurobiological way? and that led to th expiration

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captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: deval patrick is here. he is the governor of massachusetts. in his first term, he oversaw the implementation of the state's alth careeform program. today more than 98% of massachusetts residents have health care insurance. for a second term, he's focusing on education reform and, of urse, on balancing the budget. he was raised on the south side of icago. after a scholarship to miln academy, in massacsetts, he attended harvard university and harvard law school. he's written a new book about this journey of his. it is calle "a reason to believe: lesso fromn improbable life." i'm pleased to have him at this table. welcome. >> thank you. thank you so much for having me. >> rose: so talk about growing up. and let's just start with mother and father and the moment your father, who was a musician, leaves home. >> well, my parents split when i was four. as you said, i grew up on the

south side of chicago and much of that time on welfare. my father was a dedicated musician. he was one of the founders of an avant-garde jazz band. very good jazz band called su a. >> rose: but also played with duke ellington. >> duke, they will loanus monk, who he loved. and he was totally dedicated to his music and i didn't apprecte the discipline and engagement of my father as a musical professional as a four-year-d. what i appreciated was that he was distant and my parents had a strained relationship and one day, as i write about in the book, he came home, my mother was very tense, they had a huge argument over what turned out to be an affair that my father... and another child my father had fathered and he stormed out and i chased him down thelock and while he was telling know go home and go home and finally he lostis patience and turned around and let me have one and

went sprawling out on the sidewalk and that's the view fr which i watched him walk away. and i didn't see him for a few years after. that. >> ros what brout you two back together. >> well, my mother, bletsz her heart, she really was determined that we have a relationship. my sister and i. r havellergiesship with my father. so she would write to him and have us write to him when he moveto new york and he brought us to visit. she brought us to visit him. he would check in from time to time. but finally there were occasions and one in particular at any 25th birthday i was in law school at the time and i was

"i can't get started. i've been around the world in e plane, i've started revolutions in spain, the north pole i've charted, still i can't get started with you." and it just... we just communicated so much in that time. and then over the years through fits and start wes found our wa and my wife, who is... i married up. my wife was a great help in getting my father and i to finally find our way to each other. >> rose: milton academy. >> yeah. >> rose: you're living on the south side of chicago. >> uh-huh. >> rose: you didn't know what milton academy was! you're right. exactly. >> rose: and you end up there.

>> right. >> rose: how did you end up there? >> there was a marvelous program called "a better chance" which i still support and believe in. it n essentially a talent arch program. >> rose: to bring diversity to... >> the euphemism was they brought non-traditional prep school kids to boarding school. >> rose: you were non-traditional? >> i was very non-traditional. i grew up, as i said, on the soh side of icago and i lived there with my grandparents and my mother and sister in a two bedroom tentment. we shared one of those rooms in the bunk beds so you'd go from the top fwoung the bottom bunk to the floor. >> rose: and going there taught yowhat? i mean, all of a sudden... i grew up in a small town in north carolina. at some point you learn you can compete. you learn that even though you haven't been raised like everybody else you can compete. >> but you kno what? in my case i didn't learn that right away. at the beginning i thought, you know, they are making references to classical literature in the

ninth grade that i'd only heard about. >> rose: in fact y said some of these kids had the same names as the people on the building. >> that's right. (laughs) i tease about how i now learned that schools like milton acamy and harvard the graduates don't die, they just turn into milton. but it was... i had some great teachers who paid attention to me, translated for me and help med crack the code and i learned i could compete. i also learned how, you know, the sense in both... was that each world, both the milton academy world and my world back home on the south side of chicago, each one seemed to require the rejection of the other as the price of admission and how that was a false choice. that i had to figure ou wa i was and be that all the time and then you could be any place. >> rose: and then harvard. >> yeah. >> rose: and then law school. >> with some time in sudan, yes. >> rose: tell me about that. why did you want to go to africa? >> well, i had a... i wasn't quite sure what i wanted to do when i graduated college, which

is not unusual. i won a fellowship, sothing called a microrockefeller fellowship which was set up by the son michael, governor rockefeller's son, who had been lost in new guinea and the one requirement is you spend a year in a distinctly non-western culture. and they gave me just enough money toet there and get home. not enough to hole up in a local intercontinental hotel. i wasnterested in being some place in africa. i'd never traveled outside the united states before so i wrote everybody who i knew who knew somebody in africa and i got one reply from this fellow on a project in sudan. he said "come. i'm not sure what you'll do but come over." >> rose: take a tangent for a second from me. tell me... your very good friend is president of the united states. what do you think his experience is? because i just had abook here, a woman who wrote about about

his mother. what do you think his experiences shaped him in tms of the world view? >>he way i describe it is that he has a pre-disposition for looking t rather than . beingery curious about the world. very interested in variety of humankind and i think it's also true he's influenced b facts. he's very strong conviions, including political convictions. but his mind can be changedy cts and i can tell you for me that is a great, gat comfort have as the leader of the free world. >> rose: h do you think his election has changed the idea of ce in america? if it has. >> well, i think it's sort of ticklet had idea of race i america. in other words, it's made... you know, i was down there for the inauguration. >> rose: no kidding. (laughs) >> as everybody else was. >> rose: well, i was, too, you'd be there but you played a role

in the primaries. >> well, i was excited to do so. but in some ways the most exciting moments for me were the quiet ones outside of the great public events. i remember going out to chicago, i wanted to be in grant park on election night and i flew out a little bit early and took a ride out to the south side of chicago and sat on the stoop of the tenement where i'd own up. i just sat there quietl >> rose: what did you any >> ihought to myself my, my, my. it sure looks like the first black man in history is about to be elected president of the united states. and i was walking around the back and i had state troopers with me so i don't get to just wander. i walked around the back and i was looking in the little back yashgsd the tch where my grandmother used to grow roses and the neighbors' back door was open. it was an uncommonly balmy night in november and their back door was open, a marvelous smell of

friechicken was wafting out and this lady came to the back door charlie and she looked out at me and the two state troopers and she said "y'all police?" >> rose: (laughs) >> and i said, no, i said they are but i used to live here. she said where do you ve now? i said i live in boston now and i have for a long time and she said what do you do? and i said well i'm the governor of massachusetts. she said oh, my goodness. she said it's... i've forgotten his name, maybe jony's birthday. five years old. she said come on in, i want you to meet him. and so i came in and i shook his hand and we took a picture and i looked down at him and he looked up at me just all this pride on his face and he said "you know what?" i said "what?" he said "we're going to have a black president today." that to me is about the impact of the president's win. it's not like we have entered

the promise land. we still have a lot of work to do and the president is clear about that. >> rose: it's not to say there's no racism in america or the world. it is to say there was a moment that a five-year-old could say y skin color will notrevent me from being president of the united states." >> that's right. that's right. and i get that at home and i sends chills down my spine and kes me very proud of the people of massachusetts that they're willing to look past the things that used to get in the way ansay, you know, that's who we want to represent us. >> rose: y decided to go into politics. what causes a man to say... (laughs) ... >> can i just say my wife asked the same question but in a very different tone? (laughs) >> rose: are you out of your mind? >> something like that. >> rose: it was hard on her, wasn't it? >> it was hard on her. she is a... i wasn't kidding when i said i married up. she's the talent in our family. >> rose: lawyer.

>> very successful lawyer. and marvelous mother, former teacher. and a beloved friend. but she's a very private person and s's... it interesting because she's incredible on the stump and publicly. when i was running the first time, we'd be on thetage tother, it wasn't unusual for somebody to say "why that guy? why not her?" >> rose: yeah. >> buthe kind of grind that comes from the public scrutiny of being in public life. >> rose: you're also very frank about the toll it takes on a family. >> yes. yes. she d a serious bout with depression early in the first term and was hospitalized for a periodf time and it was scary for her and for the family. but people rallied and they were there were thousands of gestures of grace and encouragement and a tremenus amount of restraint from the immediate what during that period as well. >> rose: soow you've had two terms. ran for governor, elected.

ran again, elected. is this it in politics for you? >> well, for now. >> rose: for now. >> we don't have term limits. but i'm going to finish this second term and then go back into private life. try to make a little money. squirrel away my acorns and then we'll see. this is not my career, charlie. so i can do the job without focusing on my career. one of the reasons-- and maybe the central reason-- why i wanted to get in is because in business i noticed this incredible pressu to manage for the next quarter to get the short-term results and sometimes sacrifice in the long term inrest of the enterprise. and i ha been concerned for some time that that behavior has leaked into the way we govern. >> rose: because of the 34 24--hour television. >> the next news cycle, the next election cycle. but we have big decision wes need to make for the long term. >>ose: it's an invest nps the future. >> exactly. >> rose: and it these do with our sense of positn in t world whether we can tonight the

leaders we have been. >> and it's generational responsibility. it was another generation that thought about a generation to come and made big decisions then and that's whye have the blessings we do. we need to be doing that same thing today for a generation to come. >> rose: here's the thought i ha. i mean, lienin to this life story, how many young kids somehow won't be touched the opportunity that you had in a nse to show all the talent that you had. and the responsibility of our society to make sure that every young kid can have the kind of opportunity that someone who came from where you did do what you're able to do. how do we make sure, guarantee, opportunity? >> well, i think, you know, you won't be surprised to hear i think education is central. >> rose: central. >> everybody says it. few people do it. you know, we have... we've been on a journey of educational reform for 18 ars in massachusetts. but we've got a certain traction

right now. our students are number one in the nation in student achievement and have been for each of the last five years. and yet weave had a persistent achievement gap and stuck in that gap are poor children, children with special needs. children who speak english as a second language. we need some new tools for them. and so we worked on the next chapter in education reform to create those new tools and new rules and innovation in the classroom to be able to reach them. we funded publi schoolat the highest vel in the histo of the commonwealth when the bottom was falling out of everything else in the state budget. i think education fir and fomost. it's why you can have a story like mine. mine is a uniquely american story. it doesn't get toldas often as we'd like, but it gets told more often in this country. >> rose: and the telling means something. "a reason toelieve: lessons from an improbableife." the state, sir, in many ways they've seen some incredible challenges. >> they are. we are. but we faced up to our decisions. i told you, we've had to... we've invested in education significantly.

we've encouraged those innovation industries where we're getting our highest growth and we've also done the unglamorous work of rebuilding the infrastructure. and at the same time our budgets have been responsible, balanced, and on time every year i've been in office. our bond rating has gotn stronger. our unemployment rate is well below the national average. we've moved up to fifth best place in the nation in which to business do business. young people are moving in for the first time 20 years. i'm not ready to declare victory because we've got so much more to do. but we have... we've been making choices based on a set of convictions about how toeave a