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loggerheads. it is midday in london, 7:00 a.m. in washington and 1:00 p.m. in libya where colonel gaddafi's life meant a brutal and. the national transitional council says the body of colonel gaddafi is expected to be buried in a secret location. this shows the former leader bloodied but alive after his capture in his hometown of si rte. and now there are questions being asked about what happened to colonel gaddafi after that. the interim government denied he was executed. celebrations of his death continued across libya late into the night and there have also been celebrations across north africa. but what does gaddafi's death mean for the region? we will analyze the fallout and two in in -- egypt is trying to establish a democracy.
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caroline is in the capital. of course, celebrations over the past 24 hours, but there are still rumors we are hearing gaddafi's son said maybe fleeing south to the border with niger. >> i have to say that we have been getting conflicting reports and statements from ntc officials. i have seen one official quoted as saying he is critically injured, in hospital. i have seen another official who apparently said he is pinned down somewhere. now suggestions he may be fleeing. frankly, at the moment, we don't know. certainly we have not seen any evidence that he is injured and in hospital. we have not seen in these images. so, you would assume we might have seen them by now if that was the case. but the rumors are really swirling about the fate and the where about of said al-islam who
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was such a prominent spokesman for his father in the regime's dying days. we know his brother, the national security chief, is dead, and gaddafi is dead. his body is in the misrata and now authorities are truckle -- struggling to decide what to do about it. information we are getting about disagreements about what should be done. the ntc trying to exert some control but not really having a presence in the madrasah where the bodies -- body is. so, a little indication of some of the wider problems i would say that libya now faces as the authorities try to get control of the whole of this country. >> caroline, you alluded to what happens now to colonel gaddafi's body. there were rumors we were
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hearing that he would be buried in a secret location. and all while this is going on, the ntc in denying he was executed. >> that right. i think the ntc very much does want to have him buried in a secret location. i've spoken to some people who say they did not want this to -- his grave to become a focus for his supporters, a place of pilgrimage. one official told me there is concern that if people know where his grave is, that it might be desecrated, that the body might be dug up. certainly officials watching the various motives to keep his burial location secret. but no burial yet taking place while they decide exactly what they should do. meanwhile, these questions mounting about exactly how muammar gaddafi died because of the mobile phone footage that
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showed him alive in captivity, wounded, but a lot. and in the mobile footage that later showed him dead. if the u.n. human rights office is saying those two images, those two bits of footage taken together are very disturbing and saying there should be an investigation. >> i know you will be working to get through these conflicting reports. thank you. as we mentioned, the interim libyan government denied that it ordered the killing of colonel gaddafi. humphrey hawksley has the latest. i must warn you, it does contain graphic images that some viewers may find disturbing. >> the frenzy of photographing the dictator's body laid out on display. later in the morning, more disturbing images with a decision still being made about where and how he is buried. earlier, on his feet, being led away after capture, film --
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filmed on fight terror's mobile phones pretty udall the, some shout. don't kill him, urge others. don't kill him. we need him alive. the last moments of colonel muammar gaddafi. he was found in this drainage tunnel under a road after trying to escape from his home town of sirte in a convoy that came under attack in a nato air strike. the new government gave its account of how he died. >> when they transferred him to the pickup truck to take him in, he has no injuries apart from one to his right hand. when the vehicle started moving they were caught in the crossfire between the revolutionaries and the loyalists and he was injured with a shot to the head. >> amid the jubilation, the u.n. wants an investigation. >> there is a major difference between whether someone is
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killed in combat -- this was a war taking place -- and people getting -- get killed in wars and it is recognized. on the other hand, there -- it is also clear under international law that the summary executions are illegal. >> one of his sons is said to have been killed with him. the fate of another is still uncertain. to the libyans is celebrating, what is important is gaddafi is no war and work toward building a new government can now begin. humphrey hawksley, bbc news. >> world leaders have welcomed the demise of the zero libyan leader, especially nato leaders have do you love and caring out air strikes over the north african nations. but many have highlighted the big challenges facing the libyan people and building a democratic and stable society. >> clearly in this day marks a historic transition for libya.
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in the coming days, we will witness scenes of celebration as well as the grief for those who lost so much. >> the dark shadow of tyranny has been lifted and with this enormous promise, the libyan people now have a great responsibility -- to build an exclusive, tolerance, and democratic libya that stand as an ultimate tribute to gaddafi that a dictatorship. >> after 42 years, colonel gaddafi's rule of fear has come to an end. finally libya can close this long, dark chapter of its history and turned over a new page. >> i would like to say that france is proud to have contributed to the liberation of the libyan people in helping them get rid of this tyranny. >> the death of muammar gaddafi has field demonstrations across syria after friday prayers that called for the ousting of president bashar al-assad. activists say there was have their the normal security
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presence. -- heavier than normal security. thousands gathered. these unverified pictures are from hom, the crowd shouting libya, libya. in yemen, a similar story. people did the streets when they heard the news of colonel gaddafi's death. here, and verify pictures showing crowd of anti- government protesters waving libyan flags and waving libyansaleh of a similar fate. there was jubilation over coffee's -- gaddafi's demise. john, i can't imagine similar scenes of jubilation. >> particularly, is the substantial libyan community, they went out and partied big time last night in one of the main streets of cairo and in the embassy where i joined them in the garden in a party would not see the likes of in the old
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days. among egyptians generally -- some joy in the libyan parties but on the social media, widespread welcoming the end of a tyrant, a very bad man, as one egyptian said to me. >> i know you had followed events in the region as a whole. your impression about how leaders across the region are going to do colonel gaddafi's demise and how strong the popular uprising has been? >> i think it reinforces the whole process we are going through, this long, complicated process called the arab spring. it reinforces that above all among people who opposed their governments, who can look at another country in the arab world and that maybe it is our turn, maybe we did push harder, and countries like egypt where there is a huge debate and battle among the opposition. it will reinforce those looking for change.
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and amongst the leaders, of course, a solitary one of those who have not changed. there are so many countries and arab world in different stages. but the throw of revolutions, who have their revolutions, and who knows which ones will have a revolution in the future. morocco, algeria, jordan, saudi arabian -- saudi arabia, even. it will clearly have a message to the leaders and the people in those countries. >> many questions over the future of the region. of course, this political upheaval in north africa and the arab world began in tunisia. people protested last december. by mid january the country that a long time autocratic leader had fled to saudi arabia. our correspondent said people in tunisia have been celebrating libyan evans almost with a sense of ownership. >> a cry went up across the city of tunis when people heard
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gaddafi was captured and killed. libyans, 6000 libyans made their way across from libya during the height of the fighting. some of them were making a real night of it outside the libyan embassy, chanting, singing. tunisia is driving past, beeping their horns, egging them on and saying well done. a little note of envy as well from some tunisian saying maybe next president ben ali, because, of course, he has been tried in absentia, not satisfying for some who wanted to see justice done. tunisia and so eager to cast their vote on sunday in the country's first-ever free and fair elections, very worried of the situation in libya could destabilize it, stop it in its tracks. they see this, as one man said to me, as another brick in the construction of stability and democracy in tunisia, too. >> let's take a look now at some of the other stories making
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headlines. a toddler at the center of out rate in china after she was run over twice but ignored by passers-by has died in the hospital. the video posted on-line shows 18 in the people walking past or been driving past the two-year- old as she lay critically injured in the streets in the southern city. she was essentially picked up by a rubbish collector. authorities announced considering a law to force people to help close an obvious distress. thailand that it promised a told people living in bangkok to move their belongings to higher ground. if the government has admitted it cannot hold back the massive floods and mud now open some flood gates which will force some of the water to flow into the capital. students in the chilly it ended the occupation of the senate building after being promised a referendum on education reform -- students in it she lay -- chile. six months of protest demanding free public education. the spanish government
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opposition welcomed a statement from the basque separatist group eta declaring a definitive end to a 40-year campaign of violence. still to come, what is next? how long will the journey to a stable democracy and the rebuilding of a society take? we will speak to a former british ambassador to libya. pakistani government admits it could do more to prevent militant groups from operating within its borders. the pakistani foreign minister was speaking after talks with the american secretary of state hillary clinton. clinton said pakistan is critical to security in that region and the u.s. will no longer tolerant militant havens in the country. our correspondent is traveling with mrs. clinton.
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>> we have got the cooperation from pakistan on some very key counterterrorism objectives. but we cannot any longer tolerate the safe havens that are run out of pakistan. now, there are also safe havens on the other side of the border in afghanistan, but of course, they are more susceptible to afghan-u.s. coalition efforts. we want to make it very clear to the pakistani government that the time has come before them to make a fundamental choice. they have taken a courageous action against the pakistani taliban and they have lost 30,000 pakistanis to terrorism in just 10 years, which is just an extraordinary sacrifice. but in our assessment, they can and must do more. so, we want to have a very open, serious conversation about what they are able to do, what they
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are unwilling to do, so there is no misunderstanding between us. because we need to simultaneously -- as i said at the press conference -- be fighting, talking, and building. in each of the categories, the pakistanis have a role to play. they can either being helpful or indifference -- and we are hoping we can convince them to be all in our efforts. -- helpful in our efforts. >> you are watching "gmt" from bbc world news. the main story -- libyan authorities are planning a secret burial for ousted leader gaddafi following his capture and death. now, there is still crisis in the eurozone and sally is following events in the world of
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business and france and germany at loggerheads. >> they have said they will not reach an agreement at this summit on sunday. finance ministers are meeting today. european leaders meet sunday. we were hoping there would be a solution. now it looks like there will be a second summit the following wednesday. crucially, i have to come up with agreement before the june 20 day meeting -- g-20 meeting, essentially what to do with the european stability facility, the big fund. what form should it take, should be backed by the european central bank, and also how big should be. how big does it have to be? talking about at least $1 trillion if not more as well. >> what does this say about the ec be independence? >> that is the quest -- question because it does mean the ec be does lose some of its independence. germany and france cannot agree
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it should be involved. but then you have to ask money from countries of the eurozone and most of them don't have any money and it means essentially the german taxpayer. we are keeping your eyes -- our eyes on it. >> other news. >> shareholders in news corp. gathered for the annual general meeting. at the phone hacking up their damaged the company's reputation and raised questions about how the firm is run so there is question on rupert murdoch to shake up management. one consultant, -- explain news corp. could be undervalued. >> if you compare it to others in its group like time warner, people think news corp. trades at a "murdock discount" partly because it is a very unusual company. it is unusual to have that amount of control in the hands of one family when it is publicly listed.
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also, rupert murdoch has focused on publishing, which is an area most investors do not see much growth. >> grew upon plans to raise up to $530 million selling shares on the stock exchanges -- groupon. the volatile financial markets forced the company to be less ambitious. general electric reported an 18% rise in quarterly results, making $2.3 billion. it was held by a strong performance in its jet engine making business and train making division. samsung is now the top maker of smartphones, according to a report in "the wall street journal." they claim it shipped more than 20 million smartphones of the three months since september. it beat apple's 70 million and nokia's 16.8 million. -- apple's 17 million parent looking at the markets, the story we are seeing all week,
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volatility. one day losing and one day gaining. ahead of those talks between the zero leaders and the weekend and going into next week, looking for a solution to the euro crisis. putting a fire wall around a great situation and deal with the banks as well. >> a busy weekend for european leaders. the moment has arrived in libya that the interim government has been waiting, to pick up the pieces and begin rebuilding. our reporter looks now at the difficulties ahead in embracing the next phase of the revolution. democratic reforms leading to free elections. >> it is only two days since the u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton was in tripoli, the most senior u.s. official to bring support to the national transitional council. she received assurances from libya's new leaders about their desire to move toward democracy quickly. that process begins now.
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there are challenges to a smooth move toward democracy. the first is from radical islamists, who may not want western-style political parties to form. they gained strength along bird of fighting went on. a the other challenges from the armed militias now in control of libya's major cities, providing jobs and returned to a normal life for them should not be hard in a country with enormous oil wealth, but the gunman had borne much and have seen their friends die and they are now a potential threat to the return to stability. the new administration faces a particular challenge from berber gunman who did the hardest fighting for tripoli, coming from their homes in the mountains southwest of the capital. political leadership from benghazi in the east does not command support right across the country. there are other tribal divisions, too, intensified during the long months of warfare, and in the ticket,
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loyalty of the two-month struggle for sirte. it has been a dirty war, with prisoners shot by both sides and reconciliation may be bumpy. but today, libya can breathe again, with an overwhelming sense of hope that it can rejoin the world. david loin, bbc news. >> let us just bring you some pictures we are receiving from sirte, the home town of muammar gaddafi. this is reportedly where colonel gaddafi was found and captured after a reported nato strike on this site as well. of course, questions remain about how he died, whether or not he was executed. the national transitional council, the interim government, denied there were orders to kill him. but of course, we have conflicting mobile phone pictures showing him alive and then later dead.
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i can tell you, we are joined by a guest originally from sirt e and now lives in misrata. thank you very much for joining me. could you tell me your emotions now that it is reported that colonel gaddafi is dead? >> i did not quite get your question. >> can you tell me how you feel now and your experience now that colonel gaddafi has died? >> i am a very happy for what happened, even though a little bit of said that he is dead. i wish that he would be staying alive so we can try him and taken to justice and the least of find the unanswered questions of what and why he did what he did during his time in power. then i could understand that frustration, never knowing his
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reasons behind his actions. but what is next now for libya? are you optimistic about the future of the country? >> i am very optimistic about i know it will take a long, long time, because we are beginning from ground zero, below zero. there are a lot of things missing in our country because of mr. burqa gaddafi. >> what do you expect, what are your expectations of the national transitional council? >> i hope they will do what they promised to do. that is one of the main things i was hoping for. >> are you confident that libya will move to a stable democracy? >> i am very hopeful, but it will take a long time. i am very hopeful and very optimistic, but i know it will be a long time procedure. >> what needs to happen on the
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ground? what is life like now in libya? >> we are going back to normal. we are taking only baby steps. i know life will not be the same as before february 17 but it will be for the better. >> is there much optimism about the future of the power of the people? of course, gaddafi's rule was ended by a popular uprising. is there a sense of accomplishment amongst libyans? >> accomplishment -- in what way, do you mean? >> thank you very much for speaking to me. gaddafi role libya for 42 years with an iron fist. images from that leadership.
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