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campaign playing at kind of a b plus level compared to past much pr presidential election and the rest have been playing at c minus ore1 worse. they tjj have oppositionresearch, a y don't have candidates performinq at a high level. so writxd +/çy/çó mittlp romned is,qboth states andñi losing in. i thought he had one of the best foochit comes at no 3(/prise int spector that he was able to beat añi field which is divided and we. >> charlie: what di you like about his speech? >>ñr i thought firstxd of all at of thejf candidates make the mistake. meaningful.

one he said the republicans who were goingxdçót( after the pital issue words, desperate to try to issue thate1 as an issue. capitalism which is going to make him more popular with rushi limbaugh and a lot ofmyq congressional and donor republicanse1 who will be for hk now and two he talkedcconcerif t romney's rise to victory it's the things he said in the last 48 hours thatt( has seemed to pt him out of touch withpeople. he must fixñi that. he must not only stop making gaps but he must show the country his hurt where he stands on why else important to turn the country around for every (>v americans. he did some int( his speechçó tonight he needs to dot( more. >> charlie: did the question of usingie( firing for him in ts election. >> it's hard to know i4havg3 goe

than he ended up getting. i think the firing thing was mediaxdlp freakt(xtre1ñr showt(d outrages ifxd noti]rhisçó oppon. but boñi ending around thatjf he talked at length in an amount dote he thought&rxd would -- anecdote hexd thought would be charming dividingw3qinheritanced his grandchildren. he talkedqremark he talked aboutqonlyñi think abn talking on the campaign trail. he made other statements. he talked aboutqsliptz. he made other statements, i'm not saying they'lp a reflection f-5zez his heart but they are pq ability to communicate empathy g class americans. >> charlie: how can this super packed film about bain capital and the amount of money that some of super pack might be

willing to spe in south carolina damaging. >> i saw the film thisi] afternoon, actually, charlie. josh bloomberg andfá businesswek normally exaggerated and pawrgs thapawrgs -- parts are powerful. it hast( potential to hurt mitt romney because it playsfá intotd some of the thawrts that was touchedñr oñi he doesn't know at workingñr class people beca$has. that comment about being fired was distorted and taken out of,w what it's lik to face a pinkñrq slip. nobody believes that. he grew up h pri%presidt. franklin roosevelt,ñr jack kennedy. but he totally lack thatqtouch o get himself in some trouble if he tries to be tend he's something th)(w he'sq>> charliee contest be like in south carolina, the next stop?

>> mean andxd ugly. >>xd it will really bexdxd vici. >> charlie: gingrichñr is operating out of vengeance now?ó angry country with nuclear weapons. i don't think newt gingrich will last very long but he'll try to make a mark while he's at it. he'sqpeople who are dreaming hip and he's given upjfof being mite secretary. i think rickñi perry, i don't kw how much money, mk probably knows better than i do, how much moy his super bk willxd raise but they arexd willingñit( to sd against mitt romney. >> charlie: what can romney do then, mark, does he simply have to continue to prevail then at some point therwill be no opposition and people will begin tofá look at him and coider his electability and fall in love with him? >> wellxd first of all, al

lucky here because this isw3 setting up with perry in southlp carolina, gingrich and santorum going. none of them particularly u#%ujjmight come as earlyas tomw morning when conservatives who don't like romney isqsay this ] it now we're outñi oftime we mh caroli but it'swe think call.xd all three have different streths. none of them have made it clear pieqtheir performanceñ-%able to. if theyxd survived one-on-one against romney, they could prevai prisoner's dilemma but there's nothing anybody can do i think to get any of them out. it might be very negative and there is money to spend. iñi think there's a decent chane by the end of this weekçó some leadingçó republicans who stayed on the sidelines, congressional leaders, somet(e1 governors, mae so party elders, they may welcome out and say this is aw3ó

personally appeal privately andi personally to try toi] dat( stry romney. i thinkñr it's possibleó[ the ] of south carolina won't prevail. >> crsecond. what does he do now? >> he will be in tampa with probablyeveral hundredt( delegates. he is aqfigure than  was fou ys she may be just as cranky, he'se most eclectic group of people i've everx'o seen in my life. there arexd some to theñi wuinoe left. i went to a rally charlie, i don't think i mention this the other night down in na&uñeánatin act and the krownld wmoeo cro' went wild.®those who think them on the head andqsomething in the

onó[ theçó flat form and take e of him i think they are misleadingnú themselves. i don't think the romney they people thinkyou haven't heard mm ofxd paul and i think they're going to try to rea out to the extent they can. >>xd charlie: how about jhunts? >> well he saidxd this evening he's going toqagain it's to romt in the sense it will likelyñi divide up the vote a little bit more. it's not asxd good for him beca3 huntsman is into more of his vote in south carolina thanxd perhapsfá some ofxdin certainca. it'sxd very diffult to see how he can do better in south carolina than he did here. this is the state he cammed out in, this is a state where the independents could vote. he couldt( be stronger here than any othexicchose it to make the. he probably will go forward but i thinkableo survive south caroa than the others. t( charlie: xd how powerful in the republican party nowlp is t

electabilityñ,#ñiw far suprior to anyone else. this guy can build someething of scale. we can have a chance to win. >> i think i have this right, 55 or 56 rcent of voters said mi was most electable.

you look that's a slight danger sign. in the fall to winhey're going to have to do well with independent voters. slightlylpñr according to the -- went slightly for ron paul. and romney was second and huntsman of courserthe lateñi dt people like the former senator thought the late breakers would3 go for huntsman. they didn't really which is whyá huntsman fiéfbut instead of comh ron paul forq>>"mark inqwhat thr

is it simplyfá tocarolina and to florida and perhaps wrap it up? >>ñr well that's a big part of t comingt(x

they can't really control very directly whether other people go forward, how negative theyñi ar. but i think you're going to see them start to really think about how do we plan the next few weeks so the next fewthem in a o match up with the president. >> i agree witxd mark and that speech tonight was a general electionche also read it fromfáa teleprompter. a lot of republicans would like to try barack obama for using a teleprompter. a lot of important speeches in the future you're going ton'fñre mitt romney with afá teleprompt. >>ñi charliez@k mark has talk board of director thisñi idea i think he needs to humanize®he nl connection with voters. is that a skill you can acquire, if it's not in your dna? >> boy it'ñr hard. those that have it, ronaldxd reagan, bill clinton, it was insentive, it was there, i[d was real. it's awful hard to make that upy hasfá a common touch.

his wife actually i think does have a common touch but don'txd think heñi does. and kwr069 h?; i don't thinkó[ o say what's the unemployment rate. what's the mortgage foreclosure rates. they're going to try to keep it( less about personality and more

about thew3 president's record d that contest now unless something dramatic happens will play out over aymlp very long general election where romney will have plenty of time to make mistakes. the economy ll have some timeñi to improve perhaps, and the romney campaigwill have a lot of te toxd take theirery skillful candidate ask skillfuld opposition research department and tryok to flesh out not mitt rule knee')5a5xmittroeyxd pern faith since the president's bee infá oice. >> charlie: is it at( referendum on president obama or a referendum on bain capital.ñr do you see it thatñi way,#z÷you? >> it won't be a referendum on bainqit wl be aqeconomy asxd itf whether things are so bad that they'll take a chance forçó placing the incumbent for someone they don't really feeli] that empathetic with or that close to bu!] theyrchange. romney in that sense hasfor two.

one he can never say which is the economy doesn't continue to improve doesn't get to ancunemp. and the other is people say he is not, you may not want!u to e a beerñi with indemnity romnexde knows something about the econom>> i'llxdqis the oba campo make it about mitt romney being out of touch and hisecord at bainqmake it about the presidens economic over the lastxd three years oweñi so. is will be an election abouteace future. they have different visionshat the fed government's role shgjd" be, they have difference on foreignr[ñ policy. and there's a chance gen the kindqurjt gentleman they both ae and i mean that gentlen inxd two since. i think there's a ch)not be abos that people currently believe it will be about. >> charlie: it may very wellbe- sign tipsjf havto bet( seen in .

>> there will bether discussions along the lines iok talked about but i think you're going to see a lot of major policy speeches by mitt romney and a lot of very aggressive mush back by theok whitehouse saying what is the vision by the what as you saifederal governmee dmq! at home and>> charlie: yo me romney is a muchok better candidate, mark, in 2012 than hr was in 20pvmñ what did he do toe1 get better? che did was write this book that he wrote whichz3$e said really5s strong for a lot ofñizv robes. this is when president obama is strong else, he believeda5 evey

word8 ñzshe believed it, he felt it d thinks it'important and that's one wayqhe's nk giving speeches abouttactics hs about what he believes in and that makes him stronger. on the othere1 side, in case i'm writing forxd the magazine thise can with, he's sx$nnger in terms of taking opposition research, taking facts about an opponent and presenting them in a debate and in interviews as effectively as any candidate i've seen in my career. he's very good at that now and much better than he was four years ago. >> charl as any candidate i've seen in my career. he's very good at that now. and much better than he was four years ago. >> charlie: txa% says a lot about him.( l, you and i both knowthis idea of who is tt xd optistic has always been a powerful element of american politics. if it is-9t(+vñimv7iñrñi( romney versus[indiscernible] oe >> i don't think o7jy ig i dong to accept his characterization of him.te these two mena5 who couldn't bn more different in one way, iif meanñi romney born,fá he's a whe mormon manor of privilege a

silver spoon in his mouth versus a man who hadxd a blackçó fathed !12%uáz africa andñró[o;] whiu quitexdxd different circumstancs anáh,!they're incredibly theqthr they both really are decent d human beings withoutwu$ñwo @oa don't like dealing withxd othere politicians a whole lot. they really don't, that's not theirçó bag. so it's really remarkable to me for these totally different ment who have differentwhatt( governd about when?;similarities andmy. >> charlie: i look forward to tit. this is going to be a imany camt turns out thatçó governor romneg getskoñi this nomination muchñ improved candidate, remembering wh0dú youremarkable opportunitye ofe1 us who love politics to witness the kind ofi] debate abt america's future that we woulder like to see. w thank you very much, guys. markr>> president still the fav.

>> charlie: x#(rp)lie. >> 51/49. that's what i would say rightçpq now. that's a thin read right now. >> charlie: thank you both. we'll bet( right back with a lok

their available rudramatic brus. the nightt(ok cafe,çócand starr. in a newxd biographye1 stevenoq. it's called van gogh the light.a i'm pleased took have them backt this table soe1 welcome. we talkedxd earlier about youral earlycongratulations woupulitze. >> thankxf3 you very much. >> charlie: how did you?; come tomy the story3w of van gogh? >>ymñi we won is we decided ths of considerations like the c artists had to have a work thatk impacted the world thatñi made a difference and you had to have an interestingb.they werei] sut

was created by artists who hadst boring lives and it had to be t something that hadn't beenbefor. there's a way to develop that criteriathen wep, said forget . who do we reallylp love.re and that answer was easy, vincent van gogh. american thatxd don't speak dut. so much ofa/; the primary sourcs and even the secondary 10erszen are all in dutch -- sources aala ourselves showing up at the van gogh museum with the ambition to write the big bookñandw3 lo/

that's amazing to me. that was the biggest question on our mind. alone7$2bw>zóz.the other bookv his circle ort( whatever. how could no one have done the big6z biography. in fact actually,xd we spoke ton major museum who has done a lot why were you so nice.wh wew3 had no previous credentialó in vanqknee said youñi have no u wexd all knew howrwould be. we knew the oceanr>i you'd havee cross to"fzok do this book ande of0were, it took somebody naived ig northerncthis vast enterprist

>> how long did it take you to do. >> it was ten full years what-9- wi,è a>> charlie: you unlockede very interesting questions about van gogh and i shouldxdxd say mt this and went back to the town in france andxd explored this ia really wonderfullpi] way. so youçó set up to tellrabout vt would beko ten y'bnm but knowo you had a lot of work ahead of you. >> a hugeea task.ymt(çócz>evee the keyw3ñr images. they knew he cut off part of his ear and they knew he committed suicide. there wase1 kind of a thanks to

luls terin the move in r56 thera known figure out there oh, i know van gogh. and so we had to sort of starté looking atp,rthat mythology anc onfx.iuq! and how muchçó is it convenient hollywood convection. >> charliohis childhood!u firs! like and why wasnb h'?, late ci to art.:0tñ he was alienated, he was angry.

he was contrary. couldn't stay iin school. having his ears boxed and running of instead of shcool >> he was going to inherit the family business. his uncle was one of the leading art dealers in the whole world and he had no children. vincent goes into the gallery at age 16 and he keeps on getting demoted. he's not only fired, but

banished from the family business. >> he spent a long time trying to find a place in religion. he kept failing, even at that. he couldnt' do that. he went to preach to miners in the coal district in belgium. he really turned to art first when he hit bottom. he knew he cuold not be a preacher. he sensed there was a way.

>> consolation and comfort to people through paintings. go out and help the patients.th >> he was not a highly bjxz stone guy. he)g@s sort of let men0ñomfort you from the÷and comfort you frf death. that haunted him and all of his work and all his work wentor increasingly in that direction i as he himself hea=mc towards that. >> charlie: when di"i he begint toxd payment. >payment -- to point. >>ñi!u age 27. one ofq the astonishing things e the paintings he produced. not only did they last ten years but the3w paintings we know hiy were paint in four years and the great masterpieces were painted in two year3iy ys

he would talk about it. one time, with his ear all bloodied... he cut off part of his ear. he did that because he was so disoriented in his epilepsy.

he took of his razor and slashed off part of his ear. early in the process, we began to get the feeling there was something problematic. the tragic artist goes and paints his final canvas, then decides to end it all. the report from the doctor showed he was shot in the abdomen.

very few people who shoot themselves do ti there. how did he get the gun? guns were very rare in rural france.ur /qcthere was no evidence no one ever found thefá gun andfá the painting that hee1xd supposedly painted at hi'o last image was actually painted about jul0ujfu 10th, andi%series of happyñie1we feltçó we new convenient sentt pretty well --i] vincent pretty well and we knew;ndóagainstjffá. he said i would never commit suicide. he called int( a:cowardice. he madewsthis was inkept with hs character. >> charlie: i'll get mor morey

safer and he went with you toq the southxwnç of france to do ir here he is. >>e1 van gogh painted like a man possessed turnin(xd out arhe ph in the hill looking as though it's aboutt( to jump off the canvas. @-%eout fort(xdlpt( bassdealokt. just across the streetñi the inn where he lived and took hisfdurg tqsad. >> charlie: thatfj$(áátj to also this special. what do you think h!(úever wente made funw3lp of himxd and itçó d becausefá he's weird. >> he's an outsider, he had a weirde1 accent. >> inçó the 1950's, someone came

forward, he waslp a buys man and he knew vincent van gogh well iv that lastthdsummer and he and hs friends, hiu1 brother had tauntd him and tormentedw3lp him, had t salt in his tea and put snakes in hislp paintñi box and he admt it was hist( gun. and it wasñr a malfunctioning pistol and sorte1 of went out wn it felt like is the way he put it. he used it because he wasy wearing aok buffalo billxd coste the previo);?é year there was aa big exposition in paris and thep big event was buffalo bill and a lot of people bought buffaloeo t[ujehe wasi]çó walking around s crazyd painter. they would get and getñi him drunk. they're the only eye witness with the personqgo into one of s not in theñrñheard theçó gunsho. the piece of evidence that sort of pulled it altogether for us was a statement byñi john greenq

waldwho was inxd france in thet( 190'slp studying atxd thet( tzt roormdz hrumors he heard were qe specific.ui vincent had not killed himself. he hpcç been shot accidentallyñ a come boys and that vincent had decided to take the blame in order to save thosegyythe terri. >>e1t( the interview -- >> charlie: if he did that heew would have known peoplei] thougt railed against. >> well, he was willingxu4zlp te tpetxd hsuicide in order tot( pm from any sense of investigationn and perhapst( jail. that wasjf the story that had ge around because he didn't think they were innocentt( essentially asx:save them the trouble.çó and he felt at thatxd point thaf he sort of (-"t)áñ time to die.

>> charlieg finally there's this, arexd john lateen the forr director of the van gogh museumn on this program talking aboute1d the painting we have been talking about wheat field with crows. here it is. >> if one forgets for arthat ide of the lastragainst the acquisit whole idea of nature as an going cy't", i think you could tirnthi around to say this is actually a very positive picture. it's at( picture which is burstc with energy andjl

he managed to leap over that. inspiring and much more meaningful than simple technical accuracy. this was in 1895. in the middle of his entire career. before he goes to paris. he tries to make it as dark as possible.

two things, one his parents hated that he socialised, and second his brother was trying it's contemporariness. you w in the least bourgeousie way i can find. this is a woman, who even though he didn't have much

the prostitutes he saw, he of a romantic life other htan the prostitutes he saw, he longed for someone.te this exact person, she had a restaurant. she's sitting at a table in front a tambourine. the thing that he wanted to paint most in his entire life was portraits. self portrait as an artist. >> first of all, people should know he did dozens of self portraints.

trying on new brush strokes and personalities. .gqbourgeois coat and setting uq enterprise with his brother where he's both an artists4and a dealer and this is one thatñirpi this is me and myq>> charlie: thexd?; cafe. take a look at this. indeed. >> well this ismy a greatxd exó vincent trying áo do, what het did and what he's famous for doing and what hexdjf achievedñ anmagnificently to use color.tl this is the sort of draw of all1 the people who had no place tono go home, the travelers whohe didn't, couldn't pay for hotel room. theyor sit and they drankç(p&l night or whatever, playñr pool. and he wanted to capture that sense ofu redçó

ñ-9ñlabels andw3 pink. you see the sort of lime green bar in the back with the pinkk so he would create these0 convep conveyó[ the emotion that he wantedrtzt( convey. >> next is theo0lconvey.

>> charlie: next is the chair. >> these are the two chairñr he paintedéñ he had a victorian sensibility. that's why these paintings so a british illustrator &i" comem rated the death of dickens by an (0died, the chair he wrote all s novels from. here is kinok ventw30l vincent c portraits. one iás thetw yellow pine sturdy chair and one oflpjfqto leave af goughin as the more elegant, moreqtherefore his chair, his ma memorandñr --jfmahogany chair. >> parrecognizing the1along. you got this sturdy pine chair and this linear chair andñr he's imposedt( on theñi curvilinear q

some of the color contrast thatñ

he was so proud. while gaugan was doing a drawing. it gives a sense of the fecundity of his brush. this is an official. van gogh, again, he had to pay for this. he couldnt get these models to sit for him. bigger, larger than life character. drank heavily. portrait of this big,

boisterous, hardy person. with this magnificent background. >> yes.:>> charlie: it was in . >> 1889.ñg

a profoundly important notion for him. look at the sky at night and think about the worlds that a%te out there and could he travellps in which painters were appreciated unlike this world. this is a ipt aing filled> charlie: the next one isxdxd

june and july of 1889. >> they were right outside theñi asylum at the olivet( grof andt( hundreds of --qhundreds of thoue go to see him, they go to hisq grave. what's stunning heret( t is the level of liberationlachieved wi. < mean the clouds are, you look. they'rew3 so abstract, the hill. >>q>> evenñrçó though he never,t one of theñr questions you havyó young engine wa anoth%$d couple years would this imagination andxd ability to abstract nature, would he have turned to complete abstraction. >> charlie: indeed. a >> one last thing.w3xd the olive grove hadñi aqburden .

he was thinkingñi religion andhe thinking about christ and thinking a"nmt again consolation. >> charlie: ki finally there isf one more time wheatxd field witr crows. july 1890. >> i was actually very interested by john lateen's comment. i never her thate1çó before. i agree withlp him.ñi it's incredibly, because of the myth, it fits so nicely intoqit. his paifort passage from the bible -- favorite passage from theñi bible in which life is a combinatioí3 of sorrow but outt that sorrowlp comes great joe.at i think lateen's description of this paintingnto flew tçó flee .

he found loa lote]a&es; country. whenever he moved to the countr he longed for the companionship of the cityw3 aqthe stip and hed any -- city and he couldn't foond any friends ? sthis captures both the loneliness,rhorizon and the fact there's no one there. >> charlie: thank you very much. it's great to see both ofqcongr5