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two months after the police were chased out, this backwater became an independent outpost of islamism or anarchy. christians like this farmworker who fled with his family to one of the building sites in a nearby village described the climate of intimidation where they were robbed or forced to pay protection money. there was this coffee shop that opened at 11:00 at night. afterwards, they roamed around, opening whatever doors that they could. if they found your belongings they would take them. >> another refugee who was too scared to show his face said criminals have political backing ability has no proof. >> the thugs in the town were supported by the muslim brotherhood who were giving them
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weapons and money because it was leave ournterest to houses and spread chaos. >> now, order has been restored delga withecaptured little resistance last week, making arrests and confiscating guns. the police special forces are on the trail of more assault meters. they stake out the house. there is gunfire. and soon another suspect is brought in for questioning. the state finally stamps their authority on this town to prove that there is nowhere in egypt -- where the crackdown may lead to a violent insurgency that will rumble on for many years. today, it is merely donkey c arts. one man gives the four finger
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salute showing opposition to the authorities. but you will find no brotherhood representatives here now. spected of promoting violence have melted back into the crowd. prominent muslims here deny the brotherhood or anyone else organized the attack. >> they do not have any other motive. nobody was supporting them. forome mosques called jihad, but thieves and thugs decided this was a message to get what they wanted for themselves. we have always lived in harmony with the christians and we work together. >> the islamist challenge terrifies many christians.
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especially now that the brotherhood has been banned. -- the government of egypt is urged to raise flash mobs and they turn out nightly. up the road at the headquarters of the provincial governor, they are taking no chances. the security is as tight now as it was in the 1990s. i'm going to see the governor, a former police chief who believes that egypt is facing an international terrorist conspiracy. >> the big organization outside, you just look at local people. there is people money,
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no education. there is no money and no jobs. very fanatic push principles. and they made big problems with some of the christians and some of the muslims. are one third of the populationn this province once lived side-by-side with their neighbors. the illiteracy here is almost 50%. even after weeks of living out of baskets, the christians are refusing to go home. the police did not protect them when the violence started and may not protect them now. a further round of revenge. isthe police say that this safe but they will not stay here forever, and the gangs say that as soon as they leave there will
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be retaliation. this is one of the dozens of churches attack in recent weeks. >> jeremy paxson was joined by egyptionabith and journalist hadavish. >> how frightened are the christians in egypt? >> they have years of threats and intimidation, questions and killing, that went unpunished for years. and there was the culture of impunity. and now that egypt is an then,st country, since the islamists have the upper hand. and then came hosni mubarak, he kept a tight rein on the
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islamists, but he overlooked their attacks on christians. there is a long history of fear and intimidation. and there is the culture of persecuting christians. by all of theg muslim population, of course not. there is actually the fear from the islamists, in the society, where there is poverty and where -- this is the answer as well. who do you think was behind these attacks? or is behind these continuing attacks? >> this is difficult with the evidence to pin this on one organization. there is always the standing call for the individuals. there is evidence. the muslim brotherhood has not really come out when i decided
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to become a political party. they did not come out to right now it's past terrorists, or give instruction to their followers -- followers saying that they dislike that mohamed morsi was overthrown and we should protest peacefully. although there is no hard evidence, you have hundreds of churches being burned down. and attack. >> do you think, looking back on this, it was wise for so many years for the coptic christians to support what was effectively a military coup against the muslim brotherhood? >> this was not a military coup. this was a response to the popular demand. >> i should not have used that word.
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military intervention. do you think that this was unwise? >> from the -- the muslim brotherhood abused the democracy, to a parrot talk or racy.- parrotoc they abused the ballot. this was a master state and democracy. democracy. this was a bastion of freedom and justice for all. one should be prosecuting minorities because they are peaceful. the christians would never have started the fight. they are losing property and family. can egypt be surprised about what has happened?
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i am a bit surprised they actually took this on the fellow christians. it goes into the pattern of thinking, this is an interesting of a meeting of a global organization that took part in istanbul this week. thinking, is if they have enough strife, and enough sectarian conflict, the world will pay attention. something like the libyan style -- enough presre on something with american intervention, to pressurize the interim government. this is not a cohesive thinking in this has been exchanged
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these meetgs. >> the best-known female architect in the world. th designed the aquatic center for the olympics, but her most celebrated buildings are outside of britain. another creation opened this weekend in london, a small and remarkable addition to a gunpowder store. i went to see her latest creation -- my colleague, jeremy paxman to see her latest creation earlier this week. >> there is no mistaking zaha hadid's buildings. they rarely seem like structures at all. >> the residue of my work was how to liberate ourselves from certain things to do with gravity.
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>> as an architect, we have to have some idea about structure. cafe is unmistakably hers. >> what do you hope that people will say or think whe they see this building e >> i don't know, but more important is that they invest in the public domain. so that people will enjoy this. it is nice to be in the park where there is transparency. your first building in central london. you had years of designing buildings that were not built. this like? >> this was not very nice.
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i always thought they were in the realm of possibility. that is one of the reasons i persevered. and the people with me in the office had an amazing belief to stick it out. this was aery hard time. was the winner of the plan to build the cardiff bay opera house. there were calls from media yahoos that her work was elist. >> that was bad. i had to think about this in a positive way but there was nothing positive about it. who did notople know me or my work have an opinion. good or bad. people in the streets. i still have people coming to me in restaurants, saying that this was a terrible moment.
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or apologizing. controversialmore works came out in azerbaijan. this cultural center is a remarkable building, dedicated to the cult of personality of the autocrat who turned the country into a family business. >> this is about shelter and
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building nice housing and a good workspace. good public buildings. haseveryone in the world the privilege of traveling and seeing extraordinary things and have very important to
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this in the more immediate domain. >> as a nation, all we more receptive to that than we used to be? >> i don't think so. the majority of work in the u.k. is corporate, and america -- it was built on amazing corporate buildings in new york and chicago. you have a great thing here as well. that image is different. you are relying on the know-how of the client and the developer. and this is a different dynamic. >> games companies were accused of trying to persuade children to buy extras as they play and drive up the bills. the companies have been told to stop preying on the bowman ability of children. they know how easily the bills can rise. >> young students like yourself
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learn the way of magic. >> these are free to download and free to play. but are among the highest grossingames in the lucrative world of online gaming. something about that does not compute. how do they make money if they are free? >> that is the shop where we were. >> as your kid starts to play they seem to do what they say. your children, entertained and distracted at zero cost. it, these games will pinch your child with options that may cost you some very on virtual money. -- unvirtual money. >> i cannot go there because i have to be a member. i really want to go to all of those places that say you need to be a member but i can't
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because i don't ha any money. >> i thought that this was free. i received an e-mail that said this was a free online game. i am probably in the situation of millions of parents who have to do the inevitable. >> i am not alone in feeling that i have in skin. howe are big problems with online games are marketed and how the parents have to pay up. the lack of transparent and accurate -- accurate and clear information about costs upfront. the blurring between spending currency in money, and childreng encouraged to buy something, or persuade others to buy something. parents shouldk just resist coughing up but even if they did, it would not resist
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the online game. the membership card for one month will cost five. the popularity of online games has made their creators rich. s is worth over one million pounds. what other games it is not just the membership. if your child has your password, you could pay hundreds of pounds of money on virtual things. >> he asked his dad for the passcode, so his dad gave him the passcode and unknown to him, it was not until the next day we 1746zed he had spent pounds. >> these guidelines are meant to make the marketing clear, but it
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not clear if the game creators will not stretch the meaning of the most powerful marketing tool. >> are you happy now? >> with us now is the director of tiger, which represents the u.k. games industry. -- and this iss despicable, isn't it? the industry, as a whole, is not experiencing the same during this recession. >> they studied 38 popular titles, and they say things like, virtual animals that would feel better if the gamer makes a purchase. >> this is illegal. what the office of trade has done is described the games and see what they think is right and wrong, so we have a set of rules that -- are not optional rules. those rules are not optional.
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they are the law to protect consumers. this is how we think they apply in this space. >> >> he gave me an e-mail that he got that said, your child is waiting to play and fleas activate their account. nothing in there sa anything about extra charges. >> you have to be asked to declare at the start, before the game is downloaded. >> why does anybody have to tell an ethical industry that they should not mislead people through their children to spend money they don't know they are spending? this is unethical. >> all industries are subject to those laws. that applies to everyone and the vast majority of video games do that already. e video games already do supply the law. this is him -- a measure of
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informing people. >> the people who design these games make a lot of money. they are not stupid people. crush makes 500,000 pounds per day. they can tell people what they will be charged for. games,rge number of games that would be made by much smaller companies, they cannot afford -- afford expensive lawyers. and that is why it is useful to have clear guidelines. but this is not a question about the industry do -- deliberately misleading people. if you feel you have been misled, is say you won't do anything more with the game. this is a sensible business and i don't want to mislead their customers. >> what will change over the next 12 months? rules ase some clear to what we are supposed to do in willaming industry, that
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be applied because everyone wants to play. the industry does not want to break the law to start with. they don't want to mislead their customers. an e-mail saying that the child wants to play the game. it is free to download but you will also need to pay if your child wants to do a, b, and c. we all agree with that. that is good business practice along with good compliance with consumer protection law. >> that is it for this week. for all of us, goodbye.
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coming up, as religion-related violence dominates much of the news, fred de sam laza reports on some of the reasons for last week's
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deadly attack on christians in pakistan. also, with signing up for obamacare scheduled to begin on tuesday, saul gonzales surveys the massive, multimillion-dollar campaigns for and against it, witreligious people on both sides. major funding for "religion and ethics newsweekly" is provided by the lilly endowment, an indianapolis based private family fountion dedicated to its founders' interest in religion, community development, and education. additional funding also provided by mutual of america, designing customized individual and group retirement products. that's why we're your retirement company. welcome.
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i'm bob abernethy. it's good to have you with us. as members of congress debated measures to avoid a government shutdown, religious groups urged them to consider the impact of their policies on the poor and vulnerable. several faith leaders said the government has an obligation to americans who depend on federal benefits and aid programs. meanwhile, some religious conservatives supported massive budget cuts as a step toward more fiscal responsibility. there was widespread international condemnation this week of those responsible for a wave of religion-related violence. faith groups around the world offered special prayers and condolences after a suicide bombing at the historic all saints anglican church in pakistan which left nearly 90 people dead. it was the worst attack ever against that country's christian minority. pope francis called the bombing "aecision of hatred, of war." we'll have more on
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religion-related violence coming up. muslim, christian, and jewish leaders also were among those denouncing this week's deadly attack on a shopping mall in kenya. leaders of the extremist group al shabaab said they wanted to target non-muslims in their operation and so tried to separate hostages based on their religion. american muslims said those actions violated the tenets of islam. they also criticized al shabaab's efforts to recruit members from the u.s. there was also renewed concern about the surge of sectarian violence in iraq between sunnis and shiites. dozens of people were killed in multiple suicide bomb blasts this week, including one at a shiite funeral. according to human rights groups, more than 4,000 iraqis have been killed in recent months in the escalating violence.
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this week, iranian-american pastor saeed abedini marked one year in prison in iran. abedini was arrested after he traveled there to help establish orphanages and a network of house churches. he was convicted of undermining iran's security and sentenced to eight years in prison. human rights groups and religious leaders renewed calls for his release. as new iranian president hassan rouhani traveled to the u.n. general assembly in new york, evangelist billy graham issued an open letter also appealing for abedini's release. president obama also attended the u.n. general assembly and pledged ongoing u.s. support for human rights and democracy around the world. he cited a list of challenges facing the international community, and noted the u.s. is

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