and missed my pa by a good six feet. she madete a mes when she hit them bleachers. [ laughing ] i think this boy's gonna fit right in. thank you, jim. so what is it you two fellas do, exactly ? we do a fair bit of doctorin'. yeah. we can cure cancer, paralysis, baldness. >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez.

president obama is about to break a new record. in a few weeks, the number of undocumented immigrants deported since he took office will surpass 2 million. even with the partial federal government shutdown, immigration agents are still able to detain, arrest, and deport immigrants. this comes as democratic leaders in the house introduced sweeping new immigration reform proposal this week. to increasemeant pressure on republicans to pass conference of immigration reform for the end of the year. house minority speaker leader nancy pelosi announced the measure wednesday with a call to begin debate as soon as possible. >> we waited for the gang of 8 to be accepted and we graciously deferred to the speaker as to the measure -- method, whether it is one bill, two bills, one at a time, c, whatever it is, comprehensive, and we're prepared be joined by

two immigrants who participated in another protest this week, this one at the texas-mexico border in the radio. they were among 35 people detained as part of a call for the obama administration to stop deportations. we will be speaking with a 16- year-old and his father. . -- first we go to easy to talk more about this. subject. we're talking with clarissa martinez de castro. we welcome you to democracy now! juan, you reported in your column today this unbelievable

people of-- 2 million people being deported. >> not only 2 million, but since the senate passed its version of immigration reform in june, another 100,000 people have been deported from the united states. so every week and month there is a delay of getting the conference of immigration bill, it is creating havoc among many immigrant families across the nation. i would like to ask clarissa, how do you see -- it seems the steam has come out of the mover immigration reform since speaker boehner and majority leader eric cantor said they weren't going to bring a bill to a vote in the house? >> well, the interesting thing is the advocates for immigration reform i think often have to keep their nose to the

grindstone. we have been hearing the steam has come off immigration reform since a couple of days off election when the conversation started. the reality is, we're not leaving congress to its own devices. that is why this weekend and next week there is over 100 60 events in 40 states and the district of columbia because we're not just letting congress figure it out on their own. we want to make sure the andsure remains steady escalating so that they understand that no matter what is going on in washington or anywhere else, this topic is going to continue to haunt them until they get it done. >> and in the house, the republicans have discussed trying to get out different portions of a bill, but not a copper is a bill. could you talk about what they have so far done in the house in terms of specific portions of immigration reform?

>> yes. in the house, that passed 5 bills so far out of committee. they can move to the floor with any one of those bills. the thing about getting immigration reform done is there are different procedural ways in which they can get there. and because that is the case, we as a coalition of forces, as advocates, have not focused necessarily on the process. we know if there is a will, leadership can get this done. in terms of the pieces, out of the judiciary committee, they have passed a high-tech bill, and agricultural bill, a non- safe bill -- and i will get to that in a second -- and there've also passed out of the homeland security committee, a border tourity bill in addition their work authorization verification bill. so some of these parts are worth -- worse than others. for example, one of them would make the arizona racial

profiling law, the law of the land. --t is obviously [indiscernible] another wiki farm workers subject to exploitation. that is not a way forward. there are other bills they can put together to try to get to the floor and get to negotiation with the senate, even if they don't take up just one conference a bill like the senate did. >> what is the new border section of the bill, clarissa? >> one of the potential good news, the democrats introduced their bill, you heard the comments from ms. pelosi, and here is -- there was a lot of concern -- our organization was one of the organizations of many expressing concern over what we called a border surge. it was an amendment added to the senate bill that was not only wasteful, but excessive in terms

of boots on the ground, in terms of the money that was going to be spent. and a lot of folks, including republicans, didn't think that was really going to be efficient. so in the house, where also republicans and democrats voiced border searchthis amendment, the democratic proposal puts the senate bill concerns ashere are well, but it takes that bill and illuminates the border surge revision and instead adds a border security bill that the house republicans propose and want to pass out of committee, therefore, it is bipartisan. >> clarissa, my understanding in talking to activists, they're expecting to ramp up the civil disobedience and protest campaign specifically targeting speaker boehner and majority leader cantor since they believe if they will allow a bill to come to a vote in the house,

that there are votes among republicans and democrats to pass a conference of immigration reform. is it your sense that it is really the problem right now is the leadership in the house that is continuing to refuse to move this bill forward? >> in a way it is similar to the problem we are seeing with the shutdown. we know there are enough republican members who don't want to continue to have the government shutdown. -- thosek republicans realistic, pragmatic republicans that are interested in fulfilling their mandate, which is to govern, need to work with their leadership to come to a solution that doesn't allow a small minority of the party to continue calling the shots for the rest of the nation are particularly on an issue that there are enough republicans who supported to get passed on in the house and the vast majority of america supports it. and the reason it is so

important is because as you mentioned in the beginning, and action is not free of consequences. every single day we're seeing over 1000 people been deported and it has consequences -- dire for thosees when thos individuals, but it reverberates across our communities and we have to stop that. but i want to bring into people who are part of a protest this week when more than 30 undocumented youths who lived in the united states as children, as well as three of their parents, were held by authorities after they attended to reenter the u.s. from mexico at the laredo, texas crossing. it is a second time in three months that undocumented immigrants have attempted to renter the u.s. through an official point of entry. a group called the dream 9 was held for three weeks after trying to enter the u.s. in july. all 9 are now seeking asylum. on monday, the activists marched across a bridge connecting mexico to the u.s. wearing

graduation caps and gowns, chanting "undocumented and unafraid." unafraid! unafraid! unafraid! unafraid! people who were detained after they crossed in laredo have been released on humanitarian parole. they include four dreamers and their parents. the others were transferred to a processing center in el paso. two of the people released join us now from laredo via democracy now! video screen. javier cortez, 16, and his father javier called her own are from mexico. javier cortez has lived in the u.s. census family came here when he was three years old. welcome both of you to democracy now! usier cortez, could you tell wh you're trying to do with a

protest that was held yesterday. >> we were just trying to go because we all fear going back to mexico. we feel unsafe or we struggle and stuff like that, so we were trying to go back home. >> wattage did your family returned to mexico, javier? >> me and my dad and my mom and my little brother and sister returned to mexico because we had a urgent emergency call that my grandma, the doctor said she could pass away at any moment. after years of not seeing family members, my family decided to go back to mexico and see them. i had no other choice but to follow them. whenat is your reaction you hear this continuing situation with the obama administration that while the president says he supports immigration reform is continuing to preside over record numbers of deportation of people, the

majority, to mexico, but through other parts of the world as well ? >> it is confusing. i think there should be something that helps undocumented people in the u.s., lower the deportation. it is unfair. >> could you talk about the action you engaged in yesterday as she tried to cross the border, javier? >> well, yeah. we were all marching, strong energy, good vibes, trying to go back home, all of us together. i think it is unfair the other dreamers are still detained. i think they should get out because those rooms are cold and i'm pretty sure they don't eat well in the detention centers. i think they should be released just like me and the other families. i think they should go home. >> i would like to ask your father as well, javier called ron, why you decided to participate in the protest yesterday. [speaking spanish]

>> he said to have a better future and so i can finish my studies. more than anything, he says. uneconomic better future. >> and could you tell us the situation right now in mexico that made you decide to try to come again to the united states? [speaking spanish] >> he says it is a complicated and struggling life in mexico and you also mentioned before that, because of the violence and stuff like that.

>> were you nervous about the border crossing, javier cortez? >> nervous? no. i was feeling good vibes. i was filling energy. it was something powerful between everybody. >> and what do you want to see happening now? why did you drop out of school in mexico? >> the reason i dropped out in mexico was because i was struggling to understand what they were saying. sometimes the teachers did even go to school. the kids were brutal. they were always teasing me, name calling. i have been jumped, rob. it was difficult so i had to drop out. my future plans are to finish school and be a doctor. >> winner sing the difficulties in school, because having been raised in the u.s., are largely -- angusdonovan

dominant. >> that was a problem, too. everything was so different. >> finally, karissa, the protest taking place tomorrow and on tuesday, can you talk about the significance of outside pressure? we talk about congressional debate and legislation, but what peoplence that means and like our guests, on the border right now,, what it means for them? as i had mentioned earlier, i don't think this is about leaving up to the devices of politicians themselves to decide, and that is why i think the forces for immigration -- to make sure every [indiscernible]

we are not going to leave any stone unturned. , not a a continuation new thing, a continuation an escalation of work that has been happening. we're going to see events in more than 160 cities that are culminating in d.c. next week, but are a sign of things that are going to continue and grow until this gets done. as we are seeing, we should not have a situation where young people, where their parents are putting themselves at risk because they are willing to contribute to our country. we need a solution. the most ironic part is that we have it within our hands to do. we have the element to get it right. and we're going to continue to exert pressure until there's nowhere to hide. >> clarissa martinez de castro, you mentioned the march that will follow and tuesday in washington. my understanding is given the government shutdown, there is been new difficulties. the park service doesn't want to

give a permit because they don't have enough people working to be a will to accommodate that, even orugh singers, entertainers planning to be at the event in d.c. how are you going to deal with that, the government shutdown having a major protest in washington? areelieve me, organizers nothing if not resourceful. they are figuring a way to move the location to make it work. as you mentioned, the event on tuesday is in particular has more of the feel of a community concert. we know we have been in this fight for so long. people in the community have been putting blood, sweat, and tears into this effort. this is a celebration for the community to come together, recharge batteries. at the same time, called to question not all members of the house about which side they're on. >> thank you for being with us, clarissa martinez de castro,

director of immigration all national campaign for the national council for la raza, and also javier cortez and javier called her own -- calderon. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. have a link to one article at democracynow.org. when we come back, we will be joined by max blumenthal who is written new book called, "goliath." ♪ [music break]

>> perform tuesday on the national mall as part of the rally called "the national day for dignity and respect." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we end today show with israel. israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu is continuing a public campaign to cast doubt on diplomatic engagement with iran. speaking before the when general simply, netanyahu accused the new iranian prime minister hassan rouhani of deceiving the world about iran's tiger program. was a wolf in wolf's clothing. rouhani is a wolf in sheep's clothing. a wolf who thinks he can pull the wool over the eyes of the international community. >> for more we're joined by

analyst max blumenthal, best- selling author of, "republican gomorrah: inside the movement that shattered the party." his new book is, "goliath: life and loathing in greater israel." tony first respond netanyahu, the israeli prime minister, and the government response to the openings between the united states and iran? >> well, with my book, what i really aim to do, this is the culmination of four years of my reporting from inside israel- palestine from the inside netanyahu's israel. he came to power in 2009 at the helm of the most right-wing government in israeli history. he markets himself to israelis -- he appears in my book as the salesman and markets himself as a man you can go to the u.s. and market a lemon, can sell a limited the american public because he speaks english perfectly. he was educated at m.i.t., worked at boston consulting with mitt romney.

here he has returned to the u.s. to sell the israeli position through an american public that welcomes barack obama distort phone call with hassan rouhani, and obama has been forced to sit with netanyahu for 2.5 hours in the white house during a government shutdown to hear netanyahu's complaints and lecturing. meeting with netanyahu more times than any foreign leader, the head of this country, the size of new jersey. netanyahu really looks kind of desperate and diminished at the u.n., but he loves these animal metaphors. concocted the speech that maybe would appeal to elderly evangelicals or in a packed crowd, but it is not resonating with the americans. >> on tuesday, on charlie rose, netanyahu diminished the significance of jewish settlements that many see as an obstacle to peace between

israelis and the palestinians. >> i don't understand why you think building settlements as necessary. >> let me tell you something. >> when the world believes it is stance in the way -- >> the world leaves a lot of things but it doesn't get it. but i think the american president believes that. quickly mutated issue and you can judge whether you agree with me are not. settlements in the territories are not the cause of the conflict -- >> nobody says that, but they stand in the way of a solution. >> they don't stand in the way. 90% of the jewish population is bank,red in the west clustered in a tiny fraction of that land. it is not an issue. it is a bogus issue. >> max blumenthal, the world doesn't get it, it is bogus? >> a lot of jewish-israelis believe that.

a large portion are against massive pullouts from the west bank. this is also part of netanyahu's appeal. we also have to recognize -- i went in my book and interviewed a lot of the rising stars in netanyahu's party. >> how did you get this exclusive access? >> i called. it is not particularly difficult. israeli politicians want pr in this younger generation, the more pro-settlement they can be, the more extreme they can be, the more votes they get. the younger generation in is hishu's group, it economy minister. this is the future of israeli politics. that is what is really appearing in the pages of my book, "goliath." >> how important is u.s. aid to israel? what is the state of israel's economy right now? >> israel's strategic deterrence is contingent on its direct line to washington.

netanyahu is the salesman. i went into netanyahu's early writings when he was just emerging on the world stage. i dissect and talk about how he says it doesn't matter if your position is just. you have to to pick your decision has just. he understands israel is committing crimes in the west bank, but he is completely focused on the west. and the world does matter to him. it is interesting to see him come here and actually face a little bit of tough questioning and see him -- you can see the desperation on his face. i don't think this is helping netanyahu. ultimately, it does help the whot-wingers in his party have said, we don't need the peace process, it's over, it is failed. we don't even need to talk to the palestinians, let's annex 60% and give them jordanian citizenship. that is gaining more popularity in the iranian society. >> he spent a lot of time in the

book talking about the transformation of the israeli society and the growth of intolerance among -- the young people, the attitudes toward not only to the palestinians in the occupied territories, but within their own country and africans as well. could you elaborate? >> i devote a lot of my book -- actually, most of my book, to what is happening behind the green line, the area of israel that would be legitimized under a two-state solution. there is an active process in israel, eventually kind of moving the occupation back into israeli society. i talked about how i lived in java, which is one of the remnants of the palestinian communities before 1948, and just now been incorporated into the tel aviv municipality. there is new norma's amount of friction in the middle. my favorite restaurant was firebombed by hoodlums from the west.

homes have been attacked by hoodlums. >> what you mean by hoodlums? >> those who stage marches through this neighborhood, provocative marches. they were doing so almost on a weekly basis when i was there. not just weekly, but even daily. you look at the polls and the attitudes of israelis. high schoolers even said they would refuse to have an arab neighbor. the majority of tel aviv residents favor the total expulsion of african migrants from tel aviv. according to a, poll, which is a poll conducted by israel's most popular .ewspaper i'm price tagportive attacks. -- are in support of price tag attacks. >> what you mean?

what the delay in the attacks >> vigilante attacks. lee 33% of israelis in this poll oppose that. a majority of israelis agreed with the statement by a rising star in the party that africans are a cancer in israel's body. this is the kind of racism coursing through the heart of israeli society, and it has encouraged assange -- by the central institutions of israeli society. >> you also talked about the ethnic cleansing policies of netanyahu with the bad ones. -- bedouins. they live in unrecognized communities because they're not jewish and can hook up to the electricity grid, can't the public services, can't have health clinics. under a new plan called the proper plan, 40,000 of them will

be removed from their homes, where they will be in these indian reservation stock communities. two weeksited one ago. almost every building in this community has been marked for demolition. it is a real town. you think of nomadic people, but they have been here before the state of israel was established and they will be replaced by a jewish community that had gone in the night before i was there to stake out plots and decide where they would live. they're living in an artificial force created by the jewish national fund and a barb wire compound, preparing to take over. this is the plan for the negative desert under netanyahu and has been approved across the political spectrum in israel. >> you spent a lot of time talking to palestinian leaders and youth, both in the occupied territories, but also within israel. >> the situation for them is

incredibly complicated because they sit atop the total: palestinian society. but at the same time, there is official discrimination within israeli society. the schools are monitored. they cannot be taught the palestinian narrative of 1948. a new law passed in the interview the author, a 20-year- old immigrant from moscow who doesn't even speak hebrew very well and alex miller. the law penalizes palestinian ngos who participate in observation or in observances of the palestinian dispossession in 1948. i interviewed young palestinian citizens of israel, who are just as educated as i am and are really feeling like they don't have a place in israel. i interviewed two tech workers. you hear about them as the start of nation. they work in haifa on the tech sector and both have been interrogated by the shin bet and don't know why. one made a really depressing

comment to me. he said, i was sometimes i could stop being an arab and start just being a guy. that is an attitude -- >> what were you most surprised by in your research for your book? at thes most surprised finality of the racism and violence that i witnessed and how it is so widely tolerated because it is so common. i am most surpris this, it has't made its way to the american public. that is why i did this book. when we hear about this kind of daily violence, you don't read about it on the pages of the new york times. i really ask myself why, and that is why i set out to do this endeavor, this journalistic endeavor, to paint this intimate portrait of israel he society for americans who don't see what it really is. >> with to end the conversation but will do and post it on democracynow.org. max blumenthal, award-winning journalist, best-selling author. his latest book is called, "goliath: life and loathing in greater israel."

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