the united states. the house and senate passed it. the supreme court said it was constitutional. they thought they were going to win. they lost. there was a referendum. the rock obama got 5 million more votes than mitt romney. got 5 milliona more votes than mitt romney. people knew what they were doing. the one who gets the most votes is the winner. if they would allow a vote on a toan continuing resolution fund our government for the next few weeks, let me tell you what happens. than 200 18 million people vote. they stop democracy from flourishing by not allowing members to vote their will. i think the timing of the release of your memoir is proficient is, specifically

because one thing that troubles is that these members of congress are wealthier than the average american. many experiences members of congress don't have that ends up impacting how they vote or don't vote. been poor youver don't understand how this shutdown is impacting poor people. say more about how the back make impacts decisions you every day were poor people or disenfranchised citizens are concerned. dad came to this city 60 years ago. the city of new york. they didn't have a coat. they didn't understand the language. it was a hostile environment. it said,en the paper, puerto ricans are coming from that island bringing disease. a are bringing crime. they are coming here to get on

welfare. all these negative things. . my momrove a cab worked in the factory. they were my first role models. i saw them struggle. i grew up in the city of chicago. i was born there. i may have lived north of the mason-din line, but i lived in a segregated city where blacks lived in one part, latinos lived in another part, and whites lived in another. there were not any signs that say not to go to the swimming pool, but we knew better. we knew not to go to those beaches. that is the experience i had. you know why you and i are having this conversation today? went to college. i was happy. i married my wife of 35 years. we had our first daughter. we bought our first home. refurbished. then in chicago in 1983 a black man had the audacity to run and

actually win the democratic primary, harold washington. what brings me to where i am today? with my sixpack of beer and game of dominoes and going to baptisms, and all that is good, but when i saw the powerful chairman of the ways and means committee, a member of the democratic caucus and all the white democrats say, not if it is a black man. i am kind of happy it happened because we are having this conversation. that transformed my life. i couldn't say it's ok to talk bad.ay racism is i had to confront the reality that i had to do something. .t changed my life

>> you are still serving honorably in congress, yet persons like your parents who , who now with nothing rely on you to be their voice in congress are not having their say. you and i have had this conversation a number of times, and i have asked you repeatedly, tell me why you believe in the obama era something is going to get done on immigration reform. we keep asking what it's going to take to get something on gun control rough form. no matter how many shootings there are nothing has happened on gun control. i am telling you i am still looking for what that opening is going to be to get people to take immigration reform seriously. >> we went to see the president in january of this year.

bob menendez -- the three of us were working hard. bob menendez got it across the finish line. we sat there and thought, what should we do? don't introduce the bill. go to las vegas. don't use it as a bully pulpit but as a spotlight. are you kidding? you have the the living daylights out of me saying i have not done enough for four years. subtleen't been too about your complaints either. you know deportations are not subtle. they break up and destroy families, but i have to give him credit. he was instrumental. he took our advice.

he has worked quietly behind the scenes to make it happened because he understands it is a careful crafting of republicans and democrats. i have had my issue on immigration, but if barack obama were to offer sunlight in the middle of the darkening e clips there are 200 republicans who would say they would rather live in dark this then allow barack then to in darkness allow barack obama to have a triumph. inis: i am trying to see how this moment before he leaves office, what is the path forward to getting immigration reform done? you and i both know it ain't going to happen this year. the debt issues like ceiling, nothing can happen while the government is shut down. now you push it to next year. i don't see how anything bumping because you are

up against midterm elections and now the guy is a lame duck. i want this to happen. just tell me how it is going to happen. >> today 2000 latinos turned 18. asians, hispanics, african- americans, overwhelmingly for barack obama. that's not going to change until they do something about our broken immigration system, and what do we know? turn 1856,000 latinos every month. 2 million more hispanics voted in 2012. you saw the resounding results. you remember of election night everyone woke up and said, there are millions of them and voting, and barack and everyone is giving them credit for the next election for president of the united states? we know this is an ongoing

struggle, and it had a culmination. the ugliness of the immigration political fostered activity in our community. let me go back to washington. racism he had to confront, it gave me no choice but to respond or to basically be a liar to myself. 1980ad to make a choice in three in chicago. latinos are making decisions. asians are making decisions. i think this president can do a lot more. i have been out there in the white house. we are going to come up against 2 million more deportations since he got elected. the republicans have to give us vote. what is the positive? once barack obama freed the dreamers and said, i am going to

act executive lee, and 500,000 of them no longer have to bear deportation. took that on like change, won his reelection, and now he wants to champion the cause and get the bill signed, but here is what else he did. he fostered a movement of people who are not going to take no. tomorrow you are going to see thousands of the ball on the steps of the capitol. -- thousands of people on the steps of the capital. it is people who move the democrats to pass the civil rights act, not a bunch of all editions in washington. it was people. they didn't stop protesting. say, -- stop saying, i will be respected, and today we are passing through a movement much like african- american movement, much like women, what's like the lgbt

community. that's why i believe it's going to happen. you cannot stop justice. >> the memoir written by congressman luis gutierrez. he is the voice for 20 years and immigration real reform. as always, a delight to have you on this program. coming up, actress jeanne tripplehorn. stay with us. jeanne tripplehorn has made her ma costarring in movement but -- movies with michael douglas and tom cruise and the award- winning series "big love" and "criminal minds." is latest movie "mad men"

directed and cowritten by her husband. >> i don't believe in coincidences, so i can't help thinking for some reason our paths keep crossing. somehow you are supposed to be here. and i'm supposed to be here. somehow, we've managed to find each other. >> how could you ever help me? >> you tell me. i was teasing jeanne this

movie had its premiere -- it opened in new york and tulsa. it opened in tulsa because -- >> that's where i was born and raised. he said, how are we going to see this movie? he knew it was going to be independent. he kept his word. how was the world premiere? >> great. it was like getting married all over again. of people seen a lot in a long tim. that youd i understand

slept separately? >> yes, i think it was really we didn't want to talk about the movie at home. we wanted to keep it separate. he was direct and. we were wearing two different hats. it made sense to keep it separate. it was only three weeks. that's a long time to be away from you. >> inc. you. -- thank you. tavis: what is it like when you are starring in a project that is written and did by your husband? >> it was really good. it was really comforting. we were driving home one night, and i said, you are starting to get cold feet, and he said, i am concerned we aren't going to be able to do this, and he didn't want any tension. going to be fine.

it helps when you respect your director. it just so happens he was my husband. his script was stellar. beautifulerfect, script. i knew he knew what i wanted. would be no tension, because all any actor wants from a director is to steer that ship to lead them, and i knew he knew what he wanted, so it was easy. cast onou are part of a the tv show that goes to some dark places, but this is the .arkest of places this is the darkest of places when a parent loses a child. how do you get into the mental required to play a parent losing a child? you have a child. >> i have one son, and i was

never going to poll for my own life, as a lot of times you do as an actor. i just didn't do that on this one, and i really both this character -- built this character from the ground up. i made her own history. i made her own memories to pull from. it felt like a gamble, because i think half of act inc. is relaxation and confidence. -- half of acting is relaxation and confidence. i thought, i don't know if this is going to be a three- dimensional character because i am not bringing myself. there is nothing familiar for me. this is an indie film. do you appreciate the opportunity to do indie stuff? >> i do, more than ever. >> a are short shoots but not a

lot of money. >> i am really lucky, because i ." on "criminal minds it is a nice balance. bills.it pays the >> and it is really close to home. i don't have to leave home. of was agileis out is. -- los angeles. i wish that would change. i wish we could all stay here. toronto and vancouver has everything. >> i like those cities, but we should be working more here. tavis: what do you make of that? l.a. used to be a town where everything was shot. why do toronto and vancouver have everything? >> it not just canada. ew years they are

offering incentives. new mexico. you hear a lot of new mexico and louisiana. tavis: is l.a. not being competitive enough? >> i think so. have a job where i am 10 minutes away from my son's school. tavis: i was mentioning because it is one of my favorite films. does it feel like 20 years since "the second thing." -- basic instinct." >> it feels like 75 years. tavis: how am i supposed to read that? >> it feels like a long time ago. far,ar wars in a galaxy far away. tavis: have you seen it recently? >> i have not. i figure if

anyone recognizes me from that it is good. it was so long ago. i see you all the time in it. i recognize you. you have got some distance in the rearview mirror. you mentioned "big love." is there some stuff you look back on now that you are extremely proud of? you think, i am so glad i did that? at your modesty aside for second. >> there are a lot. i am really proud of "big love your co--- the love." i was proud of "the sick instinct -- "basic instinct," firm," they are also different. even "waterworld." just the experience of getting physically through that movie,

you have to for follow your dream and your heart always, and it's not going to be status quo, and not everyone is going to agree with you. this movie i did with leland, it was a real labor of love. it was his first movie. he didn't go to film school. this was his learning project. met obstacles at every step of the way, and the fact that it premiere in tulsa, oklahoma, it's huge. couldn't be done. he said, i believe in the story, and now it is out in the world. >> leland would be her husband, who wrote and directed this thing, and the movie she is talking about is called "mad ."n" --"morning"

a good cast. >> elliott gould, jason ritter, julie white, it just goes on and on. he was mixing the sound, and the woman running the sound department there says, i have never seen so many talented people in front of and behind the camera come together for a script because they believe in it. he wrote such an incredible you build it it will come kind of moment, and it shows. tavis: it's a good movie, and leland survived the a kick out of the bedroom for 20 days. -- 21 days. that is our show for tonight. we will see you tomorrow. inc. for watching, and as always, keep the faith.

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reynolds foundation. and viewers like you. thank you. >> i'm evan smith. she's the fourth president of malawi. she's the most powerful woman on the dependent on according to forbes something zone. she's the onrabble joyce banda. >> i guess we can't fire him now! the nights that i win the emmy -- >> being on the supreme court was an improbable dream. >> it's hard work and it's controversial. >> that information it's journalists who provide that. >> window rolls guy and this guy says, hey, it goes to 11! [laughter] >> madam president, welcome. >> thank you. >> it's such an honor to meet you. you're such a hero to so many people. you've been working on so many important issues for so many years, it'siate to get to sit -- it's great to sit across from you. you've been president of malleti

for two and a half years? >> one half. >> one half. only one half. >> yes. >> tell me how it's going. how has that been? what's the experience of being president of the nation like? >> well, it's bett. >> well, that's positive. that's a good start. >> you have to look at the circumstances surrounding my coming into power. >> the former president passed away. >> at a time our relationship was very bad. so i completely sign lined. so -- sidelined. toso most of the things that happened, the management of the colony, wasn't there. although i had been the democratically elected vice president. >> and he wanted to have -- >> and he wanted to have his brother take over for him. >> that's not very nice. [laughter] >> yeah, but i think it was a blessing in disguise, because i think if i had been right there on the scene for two years, when the economy was mismanaged, then it would have been very difficult for me to convince

malawians that i'm a different leader. >> were you in the odd position of both being known to the ma law yankees and also in the position to say i didn't do that, he did that. >> right. i was vice president for two years. i was administer of gender, foreign anyonester and -- min ter -- the last year i didn't even attend cabinet. so i was helplessly stood aside and watch the economy go down the drain and now looking back in retrospect it was a blessing in disguise. it turns out that the ma lawians didn't realize i would make a better leader, give me an opportunity to take over. although 448 hours, they had tried to take over by force. >> so as i understand the story, madam point, president proceeded you passed away. and you would think that cons storm surgely, the vice president would become the president but the cabinet, loyal

to the old president, tried to cut you out. >> uh-huh. >> is that right? >> yeah, exactly. so for 48 hours i wasn't very sure that i was going to become president. san -- angolea was in the country. they thought i was out of town but i was very much at home. >> and you actually appealed to the military to help protect you and to make certain that -- is that right? >> yeah, because my husband who is a lawyer told me that the law was on my side but that finally, when this -- when it's not very clear, that it's going to be smooth, then -- to take over and bring sanity. and so that's what -- exactly when i called upon him. and called upon him to observe the constitution and i didn't have to struggle because it was very clear himself as well. >> the word you mentioned earlier -- or a word i will mention now --