tavis: what is your sense at the moment of this film? >> i wanted to put it on the map. it seems like people in general turned a blind eye to it. holding the camera up and pointing in any direction. look at this. to court theeople debate. society.hing in believe yout you put on the table for us to debate?

forget.again, never where we are, hopefully where we can go in the future. and with this sort of unfortunate situation, the one 50th anniversary of the march on washington. this sort of perfect storm, i think. you just ran a list like you are a black american. >> i am an internationalist. tavis: is this an indictment because it was made by someone

who happens to not be african- american? >> i don't like to make the distinctions on nationalism. grenada is where malcolm x's mother was born. it is not american history. it is world history. tavis: this is one of the debates that take up on social media. we are all glad that steve mcqueen did it, but why didn't somebody stateside do this. >> i don't know and i don't really care. i think it is a waste of time.

we can talk about something more tangible and more worthy and more practical. i was just reading in the new york times a piece where you recorded the subject of barack obama came up. thatnotion of the fact there have been any number of films from the help to the butler. the article for those that did not see it, the sense of how with obamaas to do allowing these films to be made at the timing of it. people wanting to talk.

it allows authority. it doesn't stop. all kinds of problems and all kind of stories can be told. >> give me a sense of the way you chose to shoot this. two or three scenes come to mind on the face for a while. you wanted us to stay present.

>> there is a one-shot sequence. it is much more interesting. you can sort of exhaled. i want to detention to be kept up at that moment until the end cuthe scene when she is down after she has been beaten.

the whole idea for me of that technique is because it was hand and glove. it was swimming faster and faster until we got in the eye of the storm when she is being beaten. and to hold it, what she is holding on to, her life symbolized by a piece of soap. that is when we cut. it is about keeping the tension in the room and not letting go because that is what the scene really requires. >> is there a point where the story is this true and this risk --here you run the i am not critiquing, just asking a question. do you make it too difficult for the audience to swallow? >> you have to balance it both.

are five or six sequences of actual physical violence. tavis: but you did not donate down. -- tone it down. >> a film about slavery. to make a film about slavery, o.u have two tavis: it is not rocket science, but it is in the midst of all of that drama and degradation and volatility. it is interesting to see the other characters that are

socially redemptive in the way they behave. >> it is just not how it happened. when he is on the boat and his friend is set free, he can turn around to be able to see how he is and say goodbye. it is not about black-and-white. redundance and the situation of america. it is about the history of america. it is pretty important subject matter.

also, at the same time, it is a film about love. undeniable love. we are sitting here because we had people survive. that situation for us to have that conversation, this is a story about love. tavis: when you first read this book, what did you make of this man? turn of the page, i was transfixed. that is what he is holding onto. i couldn't believe it. tavis: how did you discover the

book? , theyre was this idea came up with the idea that when they got it, i could not believe it. i thought people would notice, but they didn't. she is a world hero.

it is surprising and shocking. slavery of someone captured and released -- tavis: i am an african-american. scholars will tell you that it is a relatively well-known slave narrative amongst them. and why we have never heard frank?ut we know annnne >> when it came out, it was 27,000 copies. out. tom's cabin came

there can be more than one narrative, but this one was a clip stand buried. tavis: you flipped on me. >> it is kind of astonishing. it is what we have, in some ways. i find it astonishing. in ascratching my head way. what is possible is how this can

be put into schools as required reading. tavis: give me some sense of how the casting helps make this thing really work. >> [indiscernible] because there is some sort of genteelness, a certain kind of -- [indiscernible] guy?: you knew he was your -- he carried me

me through the narrative. the actor out there, there was the hunt for patty. tavis: what were you looking for that you were desperately trying to find. >> and innocence and grace. it can be sort of weathered in a way. are openme time, you to look at any and everyone. a lot officult because those actors don't get a chance. it was tied up in that as well.

lady who was just amazing. i brought her to new orleans and that was it. a star is born. she was absolutely incredible. ares: an actress that we rather familiar with. it takes you two seconds to realize who she is. >> yes, black people owned slaves. married to a slaver. and she owned slaves. she is the refuge. she is this made in character.

-- maiden character. there is one line in the book. john ridley, i said, i really need this woman to have a voice. it is such an important character. partyke of having a tea and what was developed. was it like on the very difficult days of shooting certain scenes? how did you navigate that personally? that you needed to get what you needed to get.

>> we had a wonderful family and community onset. tavis: i have had puaaul giamat. to see him play that role brilliantly, he is such an evil and ruthless person. >> there were a couple of things .o do

and not particularly pleasant stuff. someone was asking me a question the other day. what was it like when you found out about slavery? i had some sort of conscience about it. shame and embarrassment. imagine as a child, having that in your psyche at such an early age. it is how your present today.

they are in the context of where i am now. all this isrony of that we go back to the question about the era of obama. and what you have brilliantly done there. you now have an african-american president. we are past that now. >> we don't want it to happen again.

th presence of mental health, and the case of doing something about it. the conversation doesn't have to go that way. done your part and everybody is talking about this project. you will do yourself a great disservice if you don't see "12 years a slave." i guarantee you there will be some chitchat about this. the director is steve mcqueen. >> thank you very much. tavis: that is our show for tonight. thank's for watching and as always, keep the faith. >> for more information on today's show, visit tavis smiley at pbs.org. tavis: hi, i'm tavis smiley. join me next time for a

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any color. no, really. any color. and then... let's make it happen. the home depot is proud to support "ask this old house" and doers everywhere. angie's list, providing reviews of local roofers, plumbers, dentists, and more, written by people just like you, helping you find help when you need it. angie's list is a proud sponsor of "ask this old house." man! what we need is some elbow grease. [ laughs ] yeah, you can -- are you kidding me? gmc -- lending "ask this old house" a helping hand since 2002. roger: we get questions from people all over the country who want to grow fruits and vegetables in their home gardens, but here in new mexico, it's all about the hot chili pepper.

stephanie, when i think of hot peppers, i think of jalapeños. well, yes, roger, jalapeños are a very popular type of chili pepper, as is yellow hots, pasilla, or poblano. but here in new mexico, these aren't the main type of peppers that we grow and are known for. now, you know your varieties. you're actually from the chile pepper institute? yes, the chile pepper institute is housed down at new mexico state university, and this pepper, the long, green type, is the one that we're mainly known for. now, you have really tough growing conditions here. i mean, it's extremely hot and dry. oh, yes, it is challenging, but these environmental stresses actually cause our peppers to produce more heat and more of the flavor compounds that make new mexico chilies so flavorful and famous. now, these are a beautiful green pepper, and over here, you have some red ones. is this a different variety? oh, no, the same varieties will start out as green, and then they're roasted and used in green sauces. if we allow them to mature and dry, then they're used in red sauces.

now, i saw a lot of this hanging all over town. oh, yes, ristras. they're not only beautiful to decorate your home with, but then you can also eat them. so once they dry, they just eat 'em right off? yes. now, what is this? oh, that's about a week's supply of red chili for a common new mexican family. a week's supply? this would last me a lifetime. oh, yes, well, i eat chili with every meal, as do many of my fellow new mexicans. let me take you to a new mexican restaurant. we can try some of the dishes. sounds great. so what do you recommend? well, they're famous for their carne adovada. sounds good. what else should we order? we should try the enchilada plate. bring it on, let's try that. that was delicious, but now it's time to go to work. nice backyard. i like the patio. hey, nick. hi, roger. thanks for coming to albuquerque. i'd like you to meet stephanie walker from the chile pepper institute. hi, nick, nice to meet you.

nice to meet you too, stephanie. so, you want to grow some chili peppers. we do. we love chilies, we eat 'em all the time, so we've been thinking about a home chili garden, but we just don't know how to grow them. well, let's take a look at what we have here. this is a beautiful area right here next to the house. nice trees. pretty good sun right now, but it does seem to be a northern exposure, and i would worry when this tree starts leafing out that it might bring too much shade into this area. chili plants really do like a lot of sun. do you have something with more of a southern exposure? we do, we have a yard on the other side of the house. let's take a look. so how does this spot look? i like it. there's no trees here to cause any shade, beautiful southern exposure. i think the chili peppers will grow well here. yes, i think it is a good spot, but i do notice that we're at the base of the mountains. the soil up here is pretty rough. it's mainly decomposed granite. we need to putn a raised bed. that sounds great. well, let's get started by removing some of this gravel.