women have support they need via health care. being mental health all of those kinds of things. you can't simplify addition in this way. if anyone knows it is far more complicated than black or white law will convince them to go in get the care. but in the same vein our country we have 50% more infant deaths a year due to lack of prenatal care. 11,300 die in the u.s. day one of birth due to lack of prenatal care. anything that discourages women from being honest with their doctor from going to see their doctor is problematic i agree back to square one. >> cow see this kind of law as constitutional or not? >> the constitutionality is another show. but i would say, whether where it's problem at sick the execution. interpretation of it. >> on its face is up constitutional. >> that is challenge of niello haw you interpret. >> you could have written the law, these people didn't know,

it's too broad. >> i'll get to you i promise. what would be constitutional? >> you have to be very particular about -- particularly if what you -- but if you want criminal penalty you have to be so particular in order to pass a constitutionality in that order take you right away away from criminal sanctions to civil sanctions or to what i think is most appropriate. if ever the words carrot and stick had any meaning they have a meaning in this situation. >> i was going to say going back to something you said what makes this specific case that we're talking about. within regards to what they do already say in the law it says that you have to have a severe addiction to be a severe user. that something here that is clearly not the case that was not the case with this woman. it did not meet the standard of what is already in the law. so, that's why i said it wasn't properly enforced. >> wouldn't even be having this discussion. it was enforcement of the law not the --

>> she went to jail. the judge to have found that under the law you are guilty. that's why it's going all the way up dash da. >> we all agree she's -- >> she's going to win the case. >> implementation, you can't dodge how you have to write a law what you have to face is the criminal sanction. do you want a criminal sanction or is some other sanction or some other way to get her there. i must tell you i think you want to get her there very early. so you have to think of incentives that didn't wait until she was feeling that maybe something is going to happen. you have got to reach out and people have found ways to reach out today, are we doing it in big cities, where you -- in poorer neighborhoods, for example. you have people that go in to the neighborhoods just looking for people who have become pregnant. you care about this issue, that's the way to go about it. they aren't looking for people

who have been on drugs. they are simply looking for poor women or minority women who will get to the emergency room when the birth is about to occur. we can do this. not so many that we cannot handle this. we've got to handle it. i agree with you. >> can we afford it? >> well, here -- >> not that wholesale -- >> this is the way that the pro life movement to provide all kinds of prenatal care and opportunities for support for mothers in need. mothers who may not have expected a pregnancy, i think absolutely we can handle that. >> but do you agree that's how the pro life -- information about how the pro life movement was moving is -- differs from your -- you are steeped in, i'm just observer but i understood the pro life movement was not sending people out in to the streets to look for -- to help pregnant women but setting up these -- what are they called, pregnancy crisis centers. crisis pregnancy centers.

>> pregnancy care centers now to -- >> they will give people blankets and sort of send them on their -- >> giving them ultrasounds and helping them discern what is going on with their pregnancy and what needs. >> but they're not providing medications, doctor visits, food for the baby. nutrition -- >> that's the whole network that pro life pregnancy care centers exist to help with to connect them with churches, neighborhood centers, access to the kind of health care that they need. >> i would say the interesting thing is, while this is has become a polarized topic it wasn't two decades ago. there was -- there were republican and democratic women who -- i would say when they polled them, removed from these terms of pro live and pro choice people agree on what the solutions are. you've said it here, the support for women versus making them feel on the attack. my hope is that, in certain sanctions i should say the pro life movement you do see this.

how do we look at this differently it isn't get whereby we need. i think deplore rising looking what systemic issues are. again, in general, as people we respond better to support than we do attack. this tomo feels like an attack. how can we create something that feels like a support. all right. let us know what you think. please follow me on twitter @bonnieerbe. from pregnancy to sexism. a new ad campaign launched this week by u.n. women reveals that despite decades of global advancement, sexism and discrimination against women is still rampant worldwide. u.n. women hired an ad agency to conduct google searches on phrases such as "women should" and "women can't." the search engine's autocomplete function generated phrases such

as "women should be slaves," "should not work", "cannot drive" and need to be controlled. the ads display the most popular responses over the mouths of women, showing in graphic form how women are silenced by gender bias. the united nations organization's officials believe this is proof it needs to continue making the case. for gender empowerment and equality. so marjorie clifton what about this campaign, do you think it's a good idea? >> i think it's very telling what bing and google and other great search engines allow removing the human hand to sort of see in a very analytical way what humans and what people are actually doing online without having intervention. what we're seeing is the unfortunate truth but also the global truth that we're looking at now. i think what -- again these search engines do open up the world to us. especially in the united states we think this wildly empowered group of women where we rank 73 in the world for the percentage of women in parliament. of having sent time in the middle east i can tell you all the terms that they're talking

about, the things -- realities that women are looking at there are very, very different. there is still a lot of work to do. i think it's a wonderful campaign. again, google being something that opened the door to women across the world but also very reflective of attitudes. >> i also think it's a great campaign. i know a lot of young women in my generation probably have no idea what women in these other countries are facing. we were talking about this before the show that i would call lot what young women are worried about first world problems. i don't have a dress to wear for the show, what am i going to d. someone in the other country worry about this and this -- >> subject rain not being able to drive. >> not being able to wear a dress without -- that is something i think is really great to at least show my generation that, here are some people with real problems. >> i certainly hope that you're right. since this was global, most of these came from outside the united states. my reading of it was that they didn't quite tell us enough

where they came from. but it does look -- only comfort i take is that people -- if for the ones in the united states, can't speak about outside of this country where you have much rare acceptance of sexism, in the united states must have been just an opportunity to vent. who comes to vent at times like this are the people, are the haters. the ones that couldn't in plight company say exactly the same thing. now of course, globally, that kind of thing -- i do think it would be help to have break this down to know where these responses are coming from. >> count me a skeptic on this one. whenever i type something in to google it's always a bizarre pattern that auto-type takes. i don't quite see it as much as -- of an ant lit i can tool

as you might have suggested. just to flatten it the issues that women face, rather than helping us understand the real context of actual women in concrete circumstances, some of which are very horrifying circumstances i think your comparison to our first world problem is very apt contrast. i don't know that it really helps us get far ahead in solving actual problems. >> but you talked about first world problems. yes. i don't think there's anybody who would dispute, for example, that being a woman in the united states, you probably have better access to education, health care, economic empowerment than just about anywhere except the nordic country in europe. on the other hand, we have so many fewer women in congress, in parliament than other countries and we've certainly never had a female country leader and something like 60 countries to this date have, most of them

democratically elected at this point. does your generation kid itself in terms of where america really is, in terms of women's rights. >> still think we lead the world? >> i think that many probably are uneducated on that issue, probably do think that. however, at the same time i know so many young women are very concerned about getting more women in congress, first woman president. everyone knows we haven't had the first woman president yet and other countries have. margaret thatcher they know. this is something that -- that's an issue that young women in my generation are very concerned about. when it comes down to food, water, places to live, things like that i really just say that they have no idea what it's like in some of these other countries is all. >> i would argue awareness is the first step. you can't get in to deep policy you can't deal with it in a flat way. until you actually know that the

problem is there. i think that is the beauty of this campaign and i think what's really interesting and very telling about a lot of -- again generationally but even in the country, for example, milala youngest woman ever for nobel prize. having her on that international stage to to point to the lack of education for women in pakistan and middle east was extremely powerful. i think, you know, all the debate on cheryl sandberg and the fact that she was a woman who was willing to stand up start talking about it. we need more women of color and women of other experiences and backgrounds to have similarly, i think storytelling is very powerful. that's what this ad campaign does, it tells a story. it's visual. it draws audiences in. >> i think it could polarize things in countries around the world. that is to say if you confront people with that kind of way to try to take them out of their cultural patterns with women in a black and white way, in fact i

was mystified, who are they aiming this at. are they aiming it at those who use this language, are they aiming it at some of whom would also adopt this language? i don't know what they're trying to get it with this. it reveals something but how do you use it? >> if you look at social media campaigns, look what is an happen ink egypt and other areas of the world, what it has done in terms of creating unanimous way for women, they are engaging because we see it gyp what all this organic search and what social media does is reveal the true voices of people in a society where they're not allowed to talk about it. i think that's where the power is. >> all right. >> all right. governor mary fallin, the first woman to serve as governor of oklahoma. she is now the third woman to chair the national governor's association. we sat down with governor fallin to discuss her plans in her new role. >> my initiative as the chair

will be to focus on jobs and our economy, and basically working with education and our employers to close the skills gap between our employers to close the skills gap. and what type of skill sets our workers have. >> governor fallin says her top priority is education. she says the national governors association wants the controversial no child left behind act will be reauthorized. fallin says that would help states for funding. >> in the meantime what the governors are doing is to work together to find the best practices, you know, what works best in our individual states and frankly what doesn't work as it relates to educational academic standards bringing more rigor to the classroom, being able to set goals and get specific results so we can have highly skilled educated workforce. >> critics question fallins' commitment to education. oklahoma, reportedly leads all

other states when it comes to cutting per capita education setting. fallin insists that was done because state funding declined to emergency levels due to the recession. she hopes to boost education spending next year. >> this year we did dedicate a large portion of our new revenue that we had towards education, but along with funding issue also comes education reform. having academic rigor, high standards, setting goals, expecting better results. making sure that we align our education courses with what our employers need. >> five states now have female governors, four of them are republicans. governor fallin is the first republican woman to chair the nga but the third woman to lead the organization. >> women bring different perspectives as it relates to talking about issues whether it's on the state level or whether it's in a national

position like the chair itself. but in the end the american people want to see is solutions to the problem. >> women are assuming political office more often but still trail men considerably. her advice for other women considering a run for office. get involved in the community or work for other candidates. even if you're married with children. >> as challenging as wives and mother to serve in political office, many times women are raising children just like did i when i first started out in office i had a brand new baby and 3-year-old in my first elected position. but i wanted to get out work on issues facing state of oklahoma and our oklahoma legislature. >> fallin hopes she can be a role model for young girls. >> i can still remember some of my role modelshen i was a young girl, people that i admired that were in office. my mother, for example, was mayor of a little bitty town i grew up in. i always admired my mother and her service.

switch switch certainly i've watched other women wave the way for me to be ail to get to the position i am at today. we are hoping all women to get involved and make a difference in public policy. >> what kind of difference is she making not only as the governor, first female governor of her state but chair of the national governors association? >> well, you know, she's the first republican to the -- woman to be chair of the nga i think that that says a lot to women out there. i think that says lot to women who might be interested in running for office and that you can do it. like she said she had a brand new baby when she ran for office. how impressive is that. that is very inspiring. i think her story will probably encourage other women to get involved. >> very impressive. becoming chair of the national governors association has caused her to get education, who not

onlyducation but has not raised it. let me tell you what is becoming chair of a larger organization will do for you. you will begin to think more broadly and i applaud her. because that is going to be heard. she's hardly going to be able to continue the hard line she took on education while she admonishes the governors from around the country to focus on education. you can't focus on it without also focusing on what it costs. >> she actually has raised education funding subjects the emergency times that she was mentioning. more important than that is education policy that goes with it. she has been champion of educational choice and giving parents the opportunity to choose safe and effective schools, greater accountability to taxpayers for how those dollars are spent this is the most important part of the education equation how are the dollars spent and is it empowering those closest to the students to make the decision. >> i think the governorship something that we need to look at in terms of pipeline for

women in general. what is wonderful about the women's caucus and women we see on the capitol hill is they come together in case that sometimes the men don't. and i think the governorship is a direct pipeline to the presidency a lot of cases. seen a lot of governors become president of the uned states. i'm hoping that those numbers as we see more female governors on the rise and that again having other women in that role that inspire others, build them up by state is going to be really important stepping stone. >> four are republicans. >> why is it that republican women dominate as governors and democratic women dominate in congress? >> i think it's the moment. i don't think that has historically been the case. you saw that the prior chairs were both democrats. i think what you need is more women like her who took a broader view. she is very different even with her very conservative background from the republicans and tea

party take over we have. >> i think you've got women governors, the conservative governors in general are -- have very high favability. they are pro life. standing for marriages, favor educational choice, favor accountability to taxpayers, by and large this is reflecting the tenor of these states that they -- and kind of conversation that americans want to be having right now. >> i was going to say i'm throwing this out there, too, as far as women governors go is that if i was running for governor i had children, it would be a little bit easier i think to run for governor than run for congress because you're constantly in washington, d.c. where as governor you stay back in your home state and be with your family. >> that's than interesting point. >> i had to tell you during this government shut up to the conversation that was being had was the problem we've gotten the divide the polarity of our country that the families are not living in washington, they're not living together any more they're going back, where as they used to stand on the soccer field side by side on saturdays made it easier to have

a bipartisan conversation become very separate. i agree that being home in our states makes it a little easier for women with children. all right. that's it for this edition of "to the contrary." plea follow me on twitter @bonnie erbe and @tothecontrary and visit our pbs.org/tothecontrary where the discussion continues. whether you agree or think, to the contrary, please join us next time.

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- hi, this is bob scully, and welcome to another edition of the world show: entrepreneurs/ the dobson series. entrepreneurship, we like to say on this show, is democracy in the economy, and it's true. while the entrepreneur is building something for himself or herself, for the family, they are also doing good, because they are helping the economy grow, they're creating jobs, they're putting down roots in the community. all those things are worthwhile and worth doing. but occasionally it happens that an entrepreneur does further good - really specifically gets to help people in trouble, and does it selflessly, way beyond what the call of his business might require, someone who is on 24/7 with an ear always cocked, even in the middle of the night, in case a call comes through, because he is faced with tragedy at close quarters almost every day. the entrepreneur you're about to meet, gary burke, runs a company called burke's restoration, but he doesn't work on upholstery or furniture;

he works on homes, homes that often have been devastated by terrible, unexpected catastrophes, whether it's floods, fire, any kind of difficult you might imagine. and he's there almost as an official first responder, except he's not, so unlike the police and the firemen and firewomen, he has to get permission, go in there, and then meet these people, who sometimes are burned over part of their body, or in pain, or simply in complete moral distress, he has to calm them down, get their permission so that he can help them, and in so doing, he not only helps himself and his business; he helps others, and it's quite the story. here's gary burke. gary burke, when i first read "burke's restoration," i thought, "right, somebody's restoring upholstery or paintings or antiques or whatever." i didn't realize there was such a business as yours, and i'm glad there is, the more i read about it. what does burke's restoration do? - we're a restoration company that help people in their

disasters. so, if they've had a fire, flood, wind damage, a tree on their home - all kinds of things - kitchen fires to large losses, right from the ground up. we're a tarion- licenced home builder, so we can take a house from the basement and put it right up to the top. - and you can do that also when there's a major weather disaster, which is more frequent. - absolutely, yes, yes. recently, we've just had some we've... i think we haveo, and completely over 400 claims, so... - that's incredible, 400. that's a neighbourhood. - that is a lot, yes. - and so, you work 24/7. you're available 24/7, but i think you're busy 24/7. - we are. we're available 24/7. we have people on call at all times. and, yeah, if you've had a break and enter in the evening, you come home, the insurance companies will call us out, and we'll go take care of boarding that up. or, like i say, tragedy happens anytime. it's not on a time schedule, so any time of day, we're there. - and, since you mentioned

breaking and entering, one thing that struck me in the research is, you have all your specialties, and of course there's flooding and there's wind damage and everything else, but there's also "crime scene," i saw. that caught my eye. - yes, yeah. - is there a special procedure? - there is. i have one special employee who has trained in that, and he does that, and he has no issues with it, and he is very, very well trained at it, and he does those, yep. - so that in restoration they don't disturb the crime scene. i guess that's the technique. - yeah, a crime scene, and sometimes, unfortunately, people will pass, and they're not found for a little while, and that needs to be dealt with as well, so... we're very compassionate workers, and they go in and do what's necessary to clean that up. - and you see the gamut, really, of human tragedy, because, well, you're just mentioning, somebody dies and it's unknown, undetected, but when a person's house burns down, it can hardly be more tragic than that.