and soululless human beings. >> the soulless comment is offensively false. ♪ >> welcome to "inside washington." i am mark shields, filling in as we recordeterson. this program on midday on friday, it is not clear whether the congress will avert the government shutdown on tuesday. the outcome depends on the ability of republicans to reconcile two factions of their own party -- those who worry they will take the blame if a government shutdown occurs, and those, including texas senator ted cruz, who belie the threat of the shutdown could force the defunding of the affordable care act, known as obamacare. >> no congress before this one has ever, ever, in history, been irresponsible enough to threaten

default just to try to blackmail a president into giving them some concessions on issues tt have nothing to do with the budget. >> the president has dug in his heels, refusing to negotiate, and conservative republicans have given no corner in their demand even if the result is government shutdown and other economic catastrophes. have republicans painted themselves into a politicall charles? >> there are ways out, but we do not know if the votes are there. the rational strategy would be simple. there is tremendous opposition shutting the government down, or threatening to. there is a remarkable support, a bloomberg poll, two-to-one, amers want tebt ceiling to be tied to budget cuts, and believe that obama is wrong in

not negoating over that. if republicans are smart, they will pass some kind of continuing resolution to allow the government to go on and they will put all of their effort where the public is behind them, on the debt ceiling, where americans think it would be a good idea to have a negotiation and get some cuts. >> jeanne, is that the bloomberg poll? >> yes, it was quite striking, and charles isight, that1% including three quarters of republicans, two this of independents, and a plurality of democrats. >> saying? >> saying negotiate the debt ceiling, put extra cuts in. they want to see more cuts, and we had another poll that showed the majority of americans want republicans to stop this stuff with obamacare. if you take them together, what the poll indicates is that the american public wants the people in washington to cut out the brinksmanship, the gamesmanship,

and the threats, and sit down and do their jobs. >> overwhelmingly, nina, the democrats have seemed unified on this, and the division has been within the repepublican ranks to the point of ted cruz accusing other republican senate colleagues of being mini neville chamberlains in munich. >> johmccain, sort of, in five minutes, decapitated him on that. it is remarkable that 40-to-60 house members within the republican majity can prevent a continui resolution from keeping the federal government going, and that the speaker, the majority leader, the majority whip in the house, do not have the -- this is family television toake it to a vote. >> backbone. to takebone, thank you. it to a vote in the house. >> close. >> close. >> anatomically speaking.

>> anatomically speaking. if they get thro out, they get thrown out. it is a big story if they get thrown out. at some point, you have to have the courage of your convictions be governining. you are sent to washington to govern, not to not govern. >> colby, it is interesting. if this rule that nina speaks to, which is that you need a majority of republicans' support to bring anything to the floor had operated when ronald reagan was the president with the democrats controlling the e hou, we never would have gotten to a vote on ronald reagan's budget. it is obvious there are votes there to pass this budget right now th democrats andan republicans voting for it, but is it headading off the cliff? >> the so-called rule is a self- imposed rule by republicans themselves, and john boehner is the one observing that rule. he ought not to do t that, but e is in an a awful position.

he has week after week, day after day, ad nauseam, said that the president has to negotiate with them, but he cannot negotiate with his own caucus. how does the president sit down with john boehner and negotiate anything wn whenever john boehner tries to negotiate may not stick? charles said rightly if the republicans were smart, and i think i am quoting you correctly, if the republicans are e smart they would pass a continuing resolution. what ds that say about the house republicans? maybe they are not so smartt because when john boehner came to them with the suggestion, let's take our fight to the debt ceiling, they did not do it. they still want fight over the closing of the government and this budget over this continuing resolution. it is silly. >> there are a couple of things you coulattach to a continuing resolution that the senate would approve -- the exemption of members ofongress and their

staff from obamacare. if youut that in the cr, it is impossible, particularly for a democratic senator in n a red state, to vote against that because it looks and it is extremely unfair. another possible thing, and it is riskier, is to have a one- year delay in the individual mandate because it looks unfair. if you're a big business, you get a delay. if you're an individual, you do not. but that is dicier. you pick your targets carefully. if you have the overwhelming majority of americans with you, you will win the showdown, but if you don't, and on repealing obamacar you do not, you're going to lose. >> that is a gotcha amendment. that is not talking about t the problem. >> the problem for the red state senators is they have this vote in their dna. they voted for obamacare. they cannot run from it, so a tweak here or there will not

make a difference on the campaign trail. they have to defend the bigger vote. i do not know if you have a few small tweaks that are added into the cr that the voters are going to recognize such a small distinction. they will have to defend the vote out there and they already are. >> all you need is a 30-second ad saying he wants to exempt himself and his staff, and he gets a subsidy, which is illegal under obamacare, and you do not. >> they could run that right now. theyould run that right now. >> that is right. >> looking ahead, it does seem to be the smart thing for obama to do, if he is looking ahead to the default, to the threatening, is to clearly endorse simpson- bowles as his negotiating point area >> -- negotiating point.

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>> i am anxious to seeee obamace up and running. policies for under a hundred dollars, less than your cell phone bill, that is good news for millions of americans who do not have health insurance right w. >> that is the health and human services secretary speaking up in support of the affordable care act. biggestident said the fear is not that the affdable care act will fail, but that it will succeed. the administration released a summary of premiums in 36 states, highghting costs were below initial estimates. enrollment begins thursday. how and when will you be able to tell whether obamacare is a success or failure, jeanne

cummings? >> we will know fairly quickly. in the first few months, it ministration has set a goal to make sure we get a couple million young people signed up, and that is not saying only young people will sign u but healthy people get in there to balance out the cost. by the time we get to january, when the system for individuals is actually open for business, we will know if they signed up. what we will also know, early indicators, is whether enroll america, which is the offshoot of the president's grassroots campaign machine, if they are having any success. they are working very hard out there. you have a history of getting people to sign up for things to read in that cas-- things. in that case, it was a voting.

in this case it is health care, but on policy they have not been effective, so we will see if they can pull this off. >> we will know in one way, colby king, if it is called obamacare one year from now. it'll be called a government >>ogram if it is successful. get past the semantics. this will be a difficult rollout. a lot of the companies are taking advantage of this law to make changes on their own, so the industry itself is getting really disrupted by this, not necessarilily in a bad way, butt will go through a change. i do not think we can make a judgment about this program -- a serious judgment, six months from now. i think it will take longer, just like it did with social security and medicare. a lot of changes as this program takes effect over time. the other day, they said the didistrict of columbia, for example, would not be able to launch the program on time because of technical glitches, and it so happens they will be able to do it.they announced it

today. every thing they have promised, they will be able to do on october 1, but the technical glitches will be worked out later.r. >> i think it will be very hard to get people -- the most vulnerable people who will really benefit from this -- the 7 million people who, for exple, probably could get this all but free if you include subsidies, to get the word to them. in houston we have a piece on npr saying enroll america had seven people working at cvs's and drug stores to get information to people, and they really did not know anything about itit. this will be very difficult. >> charles, your own sense of when we will have a -- >> i think jeanne is right. we have to look at the enrollment numbers. look, the whole hidden agenda is not even hidden, get the healthy young to subsidize older people. if you get enoh of them in the program, the program will work, and the question is will you get

them? nobody knows. we will see. there is so much deceptive advertising here. kathleen sebelius talks about how happy people are going to be. there are going to be three levels of protection, the gold, the silver, and the bronze, and the bronze is the most bare- bones. yes, the premiums on the bronze extremely low, but the deductible is $6,000, so if you are someone that wants catastrophic insurance, you will have to pay the first $6,000 if you are hit with an illness out of pocket, and that is catastrophic if you are ordinary income. then i would say this is reported on fox, but not other places, when you go into the weeds, there are huge prproblem, and are they going to be worked out? i do not know. thisis is so much more confiscad and medicare, ich is used as

an example -- complicated than medicare, which is used as an example. it has so many moving parts, and it is likely to be a train wreck, as senator max baucus has said. >> one thing we will see is that it will be very uneven. that is for sure. texas has resisted any involvement. people are unaware. go into a state like colorad where the governor has totally engaged, he is going to be using all kinds of ways to spread the word and get young people. he is reaching out through social media, bars, and is even talking about using amber alert's. >> the medicare act has been amended over and over again, and that will have to continue because it needs to be continued. here is the problem obama has, getting healthy people enrolled you have a lobbying group built up to discourage people from signing up. >> you do not need a lobbying group. if you are a young person, economically, it makes no sense at all to actually sign up for

that is why they are going to try to impose a fine. it is not koch brothers.it is economicics. >> it is a conservatative idea o have everyone enrolled and penalize those that do not. it is out of a conservative >> a diplomatic cease-fire between the

>> we also have a short, bilalateral discussion with secretary john kerry after the meeting in which we stressed the need to continue the discussions and give it the political impetus that it requires. i am satisfied with this first step, and now we have to see whether we can match our positive words with serious deeds so that we can move forward. >> that was the iranian foreign

ministerommenting on his meeting thursday at the united nations with u.s. secretary of state john kerry. it is the highest level contact betweethe two cntries sincece 1979. duringng his visit to the u.n., iran's new president wished america well and he does things itself from hipredecessor, ahmadinejad, by condemning the holocaust as a crime. is this cause for real hope, nina? >> charles does not think so, but i thk it nixon could have a warming relationship with china and the united states, it is cause for hope. to reiterate what i said last week, and what ronald reagan said, you hahave to trust but verify. i think there is hope. >> why they y are talking to the u.s. nowwhy they are taking the tone, very simple -- the sanctions are working.

i am glad to hear the itics that say sanctions are not workinhave publicly acknknowledged that ththe sancts ardriving and ran n to the table to have the time -- iran to the table to have the conversations. forget the bells and whistles. he is a hardliner, a fundamentalist, but the fundamental economic problems in iranre causing thi >> are sananctions working, charles? >> yeah, they bring them to the table, but it has had zero effect on theirr nucleaprograms, and rohani distinguished itself by reiterating the inalienable right of iran to enrich uranium. they are enriching uranium as we speak.they are addg 3000 high speed machines. they are about

80 kilograms ay from what they need. this is an issue of purchasing time, and it is exactly what we are giving them. >> he sa they wanted a three- to-six month window. >> youould say it alsoso if u were about three-to-six months away from having a bomb. and one correction, he did not cocondemn the holocaust. the cnn interview was it was exposed and explained in "the wall street journal" on thursday. he did not do that. i know everybody loves to hope for that, but he did not even fairness,.>> in "e wall street journal" >>oted the most militant -- had wall street journal" independently translated -- you ararwrong about this.

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ken cuccinelli and democrat terry mcauliffe changed peasantry's. nine times in a row, virgini voters have elected a government gogovernor of the opposite party of the sitting resident in the white house. can terry mcauliffe break that streak?>> ken cuccinelli might help him do that. he has a difficult record to run on. there is a tremendous gender gap that has not been closed. he lost the chamber of commerce of fairfax endorsement to terry mcauliffe. he is just not the person for this time. other republicans around the country have to watch this kind of thing in a ste that is not solidly red. >> jeanne cummings. >> i do think the gender gap is impoant. in northern virginia, it is always critical in the governor races, a what we have seen in our reporting in terms of donors

and endorsement is that the businessommunity has placed its bet with terry muliffe. that is unusual in virginia. we saw business groups, the realtors, for instance, endorsed terry mcauliffe, and republicans that is anlaces. bet, tant tipping things some to terry mcauliffe,nd it isall about turnout, and ken cuccinelli's people are passionate. >> virginia has voted more like the national outcome in the lalt two elections than any of the other 50 states. this a significt race? becausenot so sure i am not sure this will be determined on policy because there is a heavy shadowing of technical issues. when terry mcauliffe looks slightly cleaner, you know you have a bizarre election. i think it is individudualized d idiosyncratic. >> t the guy kicking himself is

the lieutenant governor who is a genuine republin centrist and could have attracted a lot of democratic votes. >> when our side wins, it is a national trend, when the other side wins, it is all because of local issues. >> exactly. [laughter] >> that is it for this week. tune in next week for "inside washington." ♪

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