>> armstrong: understanding black conservatives. why is there attacks? do they have a common enemy? messages the same? we are going to delve into this live edition of "the armstrong williams show," join us.

i wanted to have this discussion for a long time. excuse my manners, welcome to our live broadcast. joining us is star parker. founder of cure. so happy to see you. we have been trying to have you on the show a long time. stella marabito is new. shelby emmitt, constitutional law expert. frank gaffney, founder and president of the center for security policy. shelby is a regular on my syndicated radio show. so is frank. at some point you have been called a sell out and at some point frank has been called a

believe it or not. media and general public manipulate don't understand what these labels really mean and what the values are. what we wanted to do today, conversation is long overdue, frank, who would you deem a white supremacist? >> i think historically -- >> armstrong: today, that people can relate to. >> i don't know there are. >> armstrong: david duke? >> david duke would be one of them. trouble is, armstrong. there aren't as many. >> armstrong: tell me what they are. who are these people. what makes them a white supremacist in your mind? >> using their own

whites are superior to others from other parts of the world and they are entitled to different treatment or to you know, a way of life that is superior. again, i think it is just important to put it into context. i don't believe there are that many in america today. when we are told otherwise, it is creating a false narrative detrimental. it is the few that gives them the narrative, whats it about the few that resonate to the point you are effected, frank is

>> whart of this is the need for the media to create a narrative, that narrative being we all hate each other in america, nothing has been resolved. we can point at certain people and say see, see, nothing changed from 1865. some people relish in that idea of hate, idea of vision. most of us, particularly my generati generation, i am a millennials, i am 32. i don't think we think about it in everyday life. i surely don't think about it as much as i think my grandparents would have or other generations would have. we are not faced with it until something specific

are all waking up and all victims of white supremacist. >> armstrong: stella, you are sort of the the wild card. when you hear the few frank and shelby speak of. people bhooef they want to return them to slavery, separate water fountains, despise interracial marriages. despise the fact of the success they achieved in the american dream. when you have the, you heard expressions of the n word during charlotte county. people think that is a growing sentiment that return them to the days of slavery and segregation. >>

manipulation going on. what you have, my focus on propaganda and political correctness and how that effects us emotionally, psychologically and how it effect it is public discord. i see three things happening. no. 1, white sprem supremacy. we are talking about a fringe group that has horrible ideas that harken back to all those awful days. talking about a group that is getting a lot of highlighting in the media. looks to me like a an old totalitarian trick. imagery to create an emotional

people. >> armstrong: you are saying these people have no power? >> they have their quote hate maps. they have these little groups. that might exist. they highlight them and they keep projecting it is like an illusion. when you get these kind of emotional it is an emotional opening wounds where people remember or feel the sense of bitterness that i can understand the temptation to feel the bittederness when you see that

people. to have us reminded of those kind of things, always brings back that kind of divisiveness. >> armstrong: stella, a lot of respect for you. appreciate what you do. this has more to do with whether you are a victor or victim, conquerer or conquered. >> i agree with you, there is a problem when you think ant white sprem si. it is a product of racism. what is racism? it is about dehumanizing people based on their unique -- you get

we are unique in our space. worst thing you can do is take that uniqueness away. to think you can look at someone and know everything about them, that is racism. liberalism is similar to racism. liberalism is collectivism. puts everybody in a special interest group. when you see a person reflective of this group, you are supposed to know everything about them. if someone is black and come to conclusions about conservatism, they are a part of a manipulated force from the white sue premises. they marginalize blacks, gays, that new

goir. they have divided this country. >> armstrong: this is important conversation. we'll be back, don't go away.

>> armstrong: welcome back to our

>> violence. racial divide. it is one who believes that they are entitled to this country, to the detriment to others, simply because i am black, or i am brown. they are white. within that definition is white privilege which is innate or implicit, manifests itself everyday. those who believe in white sprem si, usually comes from hate speech. never been free speech for people of color. >> armstrong: do you agree when they say it is rare? >> i refuse to ignore bitter small high number or low number, any hate group in this country represents a threat to my community and other communities. we

them. what a future holds is danger and lack of safety on my family. >> shining a light on a small group is fine. i just have to say. what scott has bought into is something extraordinarily corrosive to freedom. if you don't agree with that small or large group, you can silence them by labelling them as haters and their speech definition as hate speech. you wind up in the collectivist state we have been talking about throughout the program. that is not where this country should go. >> armstrong: is there a difference between plaque nationalism, mindset

blacks same think from black? scott would say they have no poi power. i don't agree. i think it should all be condemned. >> when you take the uniqueness from someone, it is all corrupting. challenge is narrative of the left today about the white supremacist. they deny there is an alt left. when you think about their impetus on the confederate flag. these are the same people putting up the rainbow flag telling christians you can't have that. we have to understand uniqueness comes from god. what founded this country is freedom and personal responsibility. whether they are ra

national, it is easy for man to blame somebody else when we have big problems. we have big problems, moral, fiscal, economic, it is easier to say it is somebody else's fault. especially in areas where we have public square. when you come into public square, this is law. we built laws rooted in liberalism while they are taking

>> we are having a tax debate. some of us are trying to get significant tax reductions in these urban centers so their economics will grow. minute you bring up the perspective, you are labeled. >> armstrong: media reduced everything to left and right. you are going to yell. it is hard. not just media. numbers haven't changed. crimes in 2016 hmore b

identity creating more crimes than white supremacist. white supremacy is a problem no doubt. they have grown 180%. >> this is the key point, i think, arm strostrong if you ca any off limits. you are called a hater, bigot. doesn't speak to diversity to our country. consists on conformity

somebody's standard. fundamentally, hard left at work. they have been greatly enabled and in the service offense sharia supremacy. >> armstrong: your statement begs further analysis. if the kkk, if white supremacist, whatever we label them, majority are violent group, i want to call them out because i fear them, fear my safety is at issue. i want laws passed to protect me, am i wrong to do that? am i trying to suppress them? of course. i am trying to eliminate them. should be illegal to be in an urban gang. i am just reacting to what i am seeing.

intellectual. >> similar sentiments about jihadists. today you are not allowed to say that. if you mention sharia sue premises, that gets you labeled s. i am an american. i love this country if not more as much as everybody on this panel. i can see my people suffering. brown people suffering.

>> it is who handles it. challenge we have seen is black community. everything about our lives comes out of washington, d.c. go back to charlottesville. i agree with you. all rights should not have been there. we battle in the voting booth. battle. e electriceded city council. city council decided to remove a statute. that frankly wasn't the federal government's business. it wasn't my business. therefore he was in all of a sudden. >> armstrong: ten seconds. >> liberals and people of color want the federal government. >>

are all red states. entitlement to save their lives and save their communities. >> armstrong: when we come back, shelby and stella will return in our final segment.

>> armstrong: i want to welcome shelby and stella back to the program. >> therefores a lot of emotion. past couple of generations in our education system has been cultivation of emotion over independent thought. getting back to what star and shelby were saying before we are unique individuals. when we go down that road, basically cultivates more emotion over independent thought, you go down a road, i am not saying it wasn't independently, political

speech and constitution. from its very inception designed to eliminate slavery in all of its form including, especially with the first amendment. giving people freedom of religion, speech, association, we are able to have those relationships that allow us, armstrong, for me to look at you as this individual human being. out of whatever box somebody might want to put you in. by focussing and highlighting, especially if it is a strong fringe group that creates emotional stress in society,that is very damaging as frank said, very corrosive to freedom. >> armstrong: what is the one message you want

understand? >> i am an individual just like you are, get over it. >> so are each of us. you can't look at one group and say we are the same. where we lost ourselves in america, we lost our common denominator, laws rooted in judeo christian heritage. we are secular and socialist. we are biblical and free. these two people groups are going to have a discussion. i am not sure it will be civil. >> armstrong: we are having a town hall meet iing at 7:00 p.m news channel 8. all new podcast excusively on

www.arm strongwilliams.com. wonderful conversation. thank you at news channel 8 and the team, all right. [captioning provided by u.s. captioning company]

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