>> four of america's most efficient sportswriters. today, efficiency and timing everything for the colts, urban and lane keeping on keeping on, and tiger woods' cameo as a colts backer. here's a horn. >> that was one of peyton manning's greatest games. >> it's "around the horn," presented by guinness. here's tony reali! >> hello world. welcome back to the show that scores the argument. let's meet the national panel. in los angeles, bill plaschke! >> i am the dallas clark of the panel. >> in denver, woody paige. >> if i don't look at you, i can

pretend you're not here. >> in chicago, jay mariotti. >> i had a meeting with vinny chase. >> and in washington, kevin blackistone. >> i'm just tickled it's tony time. let's do it. >> all right, guys, let's make it happen. have you ever, in all your years of covering football, seen a team do what the dolphins did last night and lose a football game? they ran, they wild-catted, they had the ball three times as long as the colts and still couldn't win. peyton making the most of his 14 minutes on the field. chad not making the most of the last three. did the better team win this game, woody? >> absolutely. the colts were the better team for this game, and yes, i have seen teams in games like this before. tony, you remember air coryell with the san diego chargers. >> i'm not old enough. >> they would score three, four

plays and wouldn't have the ball that much but themmed they would score very quickly. that's what happened with the colts last night. they only ran 35 plays but they scored one out of even -- every seven place. when you consider that, yes, the better team won. not only did they score when they had to at the end with a touchdown, and the dolphins couldn't respond. we saw what they did with that "hurry-up offense." that's a. b, the fact that the colts' defense was on the field so long. >> ok, no more time. plaschke? >> no time in nfl history has ever won a game by having the ball as few minutes as the colts did, 14 minutes. i'm sorry the dolphins were a better team. ted ginn dropped two balls in the end zone. they would have won. if they'd held the ball longer

and given peyton manning less time on the last drive they would have won the game. i'm sorry, the dolphins are a better team. they will be by the end of the year. ted ginn makes those catches. the guy is a great receiver. i don't care who won, the dolphins dominated. >> how can you say that the better team won because peyton manning is on that team? miami employed the perfect tactic to beat indianapolis. they rushed for 239 yards. they made the wildcat work, first team i've seen all year. 85 plays to 35 plays, they control the ball and still lose the game. what does that tell you, bill? whimed miami be a better time if ted ginl makes the catch, when garcon makes a huge play at the end? of course the colts are the better team.

>> the colts are the better team. i'm more impressed with the colts after this win than i've been impressed the last year and a half. thisk plugging in new names. jay mentioned garcon. they've gotten bigger on the defensive line. that defense held them to 23 points last night, despite all the time of possession that miami had. you know if you have peyton manning in a situation like that that he's going to come through. from the first possession, the colts put miami in a situation when miami was chasing them. peyton manning looks like he does not miss marvin harrison and other guys he's lost on offense. >> how many games are the colts going to win having the ball 14 minutes a game? they're not. >> they're not going to be in that situation again. >> the point is very limited

opportunities. i might argue that was his greatest game of all time because they rarely had the football and he still made it happen. >> paige? >> you have to also consider that who had the wildcat offense last night? the miami dolphins? who was the team that got an average of 10 yards on offensive play, twice as much as the dolphins had. so the manning wildcat, if you, will was a lot more effective. >> it wasn't the wildcat and when the dolphins ran it it was 10 yards a placement thumbs up or thumbs down on the wildcat? >> thumbs up. >> let's move on. tennessee-florida not dead yet. urban meyer calling out lane for "not going the after win" wondering aloud if the vols were playing to keep it close. kiffin fired back, insinuating that this flu bug we've heard so much about is a cheap excuse for the gators not playing well.

who you siding with, k.b.? >> well, you know, i hate to side with lane kiffin because he's said some goofy things but i'm going to side with him. >> come on! >> who goes into a football game and doesn't want to win? herb edwards is absolutely right. you wouldn't lead those kids into a game and lead them through it not wanting to win. he was trying to keep the game short, i guess, keep it close so he'd have an opportunity to win. he knows he's short handed going up against florida and tim tebow. >> you're saying in the fourth quarter when they were down 23-, 10 minutes left, they're in a normal no-huddle? >> maybe they don't run a hurry-up offense very well. so he tried to do the best he could do. but i could not imagine that he would want to lose a game. >> he was playing the

scoreboard. itches there. 10 minutes left, 23-. no urgency. no no-huddle, no attempt to throw the ball. i understand the quarterback isn't all that good but if he's a major college quarterback he has to have some kind of arm. kiffin did not want to throw an interception that got that score ugly. in the end, he won the grudge match. as far as the swine flu goes, shame on kiffin. the swin flu is an issue in this country. lane kiffin, grow up. >> paige? >> he kind of talked about the flu problems, but for him to get out on the slide with lane kiffin is beneath him. he's handled himself in a classy way so i'm going to put the onus on him. lane kiffin was doing what he could.

monte kiffin, his father, was the one responsible for keeping the game close. kiffin didn't want to lose 50 or 60-3 or 10 because he has to play the rest of the season and it might have destroyed tennessee. so i think he was trying to do the best he could with an average quarterback, a good running game to take it close. but for urban meyer to call out lane kiffin and tennessee, that's not what he's all about. he's supposed to have more class and dig dignity than the guy who's been shouting the whole off-season to get attention for tennessee. >> i'm stun med. i've never heard a coach question another coach's willingness or commitment to win. he called him out on it and questioned his willingness to win. it makes me wonder, is urban worried about his team? why would he say this?

this is so unlike him and so, like woody said, beneath him. >> because somebody asked him why he ran such a conservative offense. his response was, well, i saw what tennessee was doing so i did it. >> you have an opportunity to win if the game is close so of course he doesn't want to throw an interception. you just laid it out, that he has a shortage when it comes to personnel. you have to put yours in the best position to win. >> his response could have been we have guys with the flu, we're just trying -- we're not trying to run up the score. he shouldn't even be talking about this. >> he answered honestly. >> i know what the end result was yesterday. some of you on monday's show talked about the florida gators looking vulnerable, that maybe they weren't a lock to be national champions. >> i didn't say that, that was

cowlishaw. >> nobody wants to say it? >> i'll say it now because of the way he's talking. >> let's break this. and coming up, the 0-2'er that's in the most trouble, redskins fans' place of employment, and the city of los angeles throwing tomatoes at ron artest. stick around. - ( music playing ) - a work of art. a finely-tuned machine.

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>> those are the scores. this is about to get funky. "buy or sell." dolphins, defending a.f.c. east champions 0-2. so, too, 0-2 the titans, who started last year 10-0 and the panthers, who won 12 games. cowboys 1-1, but some of you said yesterday they can't win as presently constituted. the patriots' 1-1 could easily be 0-2. what team should be most concerned after two weeks, bill?

>> i got one question, what happened to jacksonville? they stink. they have no fans. they're 4-14 in the last -- 5-14 in the last 19 games. i'm going with the jets. >> paige? >> i'm going with the lions who have lost now five consecutive games. i think that's a city and a team -- >> ok, but did you really think the lions were going to contend? >> i thought they would win every once in a while. you want another choice? >> no, you can't. mariotti? >> i'm going with a surprise, tennessee, as you mentioned. a lot of finger pointing. the defensive players blaming the coaches for not having them prepared. 357 yards for schaub. 321 for roethlisberger. this is not the same team and they're apparently going down. >> i'm going with tennessee as well. this is a team that's not going to get an easier schedule coming

up. and look what they've already done. they lost a defensive struggle to open the season and then they get blown out, giving up 34 by home. >> so two for the titans, with one for the jaguars and woody shocked to find out that the lions aren't that good this year. the redskins beat the rams 9-7 on sunday. it was brutal. home fans booed even though the home team won. and after the game, rookie robert henson tweeted that those fans were dimwits and said they work 9:00 to 5:00 at mcdonald's. henson has since apologized, in his words "not because i'm scared but because it was the right thing to do." buy or sell the apology, woody? >> well, when he's working in a drive-thru, he'll understand that he's the dim twitter of all time. what in the world is he talking about? play some games, first of all. those fans in washington have been loyal for more than 50 years and where's he been all

this time? the guy should have to get a license like a driver's license in order to go on the twitter account. >> i'm going to give robert henson a sheeting chart of that stadium. you know what it costs? thousands of dollars to get into this, at the least, hundreds. >> i'm from a family that's had season ticket forever but i'm buying this abolling -- apology because it's pretty fast. it was a lot faster than redskins ownership for not being able to sell their ticket. >> the redskins need to have this kid out in the community and have him repair relations. he may not be on the team past next week. >> you can't go with the mcdonald's route but this redskins team deserved being booed a little bit, don't you

think? basketball now. ron artest says if the lakers don't repeat, blame him. "they won last year, and i'm the new addition. everybody in l.a. expects a second ring. and if we don't then yeah, they should point it right at me, throw to poits and everything." buy or sell that, mariotti? >> i'm not going to just blame or test. -- or test. bynum may get hurt again. i hear that lamarr odom is marraying one of the kardashian sisters. >> you have a lifetime sub scription to "us weekly"? >> let me just tell you, ron artest shouldn't put it on himself if they come up short. that's like saying they can't win without trevor ariza. >> ron artest is right.

i'm glad he said it. he is the one difference. good for him for being accountable. >> bill, you're living in some sort of pollyannish world. what happens if they have a major injury? you can't sit here and say you're going to put it all on him. the only thing you could put on him is he doesn't have a map of california and doesn't stand -- understand what's going on. >> i don't follow that one? >> he didn't know san diego had a team. he thought san diego was close to oakland, california. the golden state warriors. >> do you know what woody paige is talking about right now? you got your face time in right there, the topography of california. that was very well spent. see you tomorrow, woodrow. >> well, i am truly honored -- >> let's go to commercial.

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>> michael crabtree, neither crab nor tree. neither pro nor collegian. just hanging out. and he's the focus of an nfl investigation. niners saying the jets tampered with him. jets saying they didn't. what do you make of this mess, flash zphi >> i think the 49ers are realizing they do need michael crabtree. i know it's not a cool thing to say. they realize they're going to be pretty good this year. they need a receiver. they're -- their leading receiver is i cornerback bruce. they're like 25th in passing. they need a receiver there. this guy could help him later in the year. >> i thought you'd say since they've won two without him, no. >> let's have amnesia about crabtree. maybe trade him, get a number one pick for him. he is a distraction. he didn't go to o.t.a.'s, his team plates are upset.

i like this team. they might win the division. seventh ranked defense in the nfl. frank gore is running out of his mind. they have glenn coffey in the back. rushing and defense. >> at this point i think crabtree needs the 49ers or the jets, or the broncos or neigh because he's taking this year off. he's not getting a check. he's never going to be able to recoup the money he's losing. he's damaging his reputation. i don't understand this. it does him absolutely no good to sit out and he'd better pay attention to names like maurice clarett. michael williams at u.s.c. these guys weren't able to play in the nfl. you look at the receivers of the colts, they're almost like a dime a dozen. >> you wonder whamed what happened ham if he signed snow

he's so far behind. >> during that muting process i lost an extra point and the producers will verify that. >> give him his point back. >> showdown is next between plaschke and blackistone. two men enter, one man comes out the winner. it's that simple. it's that simple. and straight ahead, the twins. i'm racing cross country in this small sidecar,

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estefans, j-lo's, williamsi on the field for the dolphins before last night's game. that's nothing compared to tiger on the sidelines with the colts. good seat, huh plaschke? >> i like tiger woods but that's just weird, tiger. you don't want peyton coming out and congratulating you when you leave one on the 18th green or something. it's weird. >> it's old school having guys stand on the sidelines for these games. what i want to see is a guy sitting in the stands ordering a beer and a hot dog just like everybody else. that would be cool and different. >> i don't think it was weird, plaschke. he wasn't involved in the action. point to blackistone. twins surging. tigers limping. season ending. soon. margin is two and a half and there's still a four-gamer between the two next week in detroit. just tell us what will happen so we won't have to watch, k.b. >> detroit is going to hold off and hold on and get into the

playoffs and give the city of detroit, which is suffering mightily through this economic recession, something else to cheer about. that's what's going to happen. >> their last 12 games, six are against the kansas city royals or the minnesota twins. case closed. the twins play the royals, the twins will catch the tigers. >> i give plaschke the point because it sounded like blackistone was going to say the city of chicago. you don't like m.m.a. but you do like herschel walker. now that he's commenced training, whatever shall you do? we know he's probably gonna be in pretty good shape but he's 47. will this work out well, plaschke? >> it's going to with -- be horrific. anybody used to playing in a sport with controlled rules -- no this is going to be ugly. >> he's one of the greatest athletes of our time and he's just about one year shy of what randy couture is in terms of age

and couture dominates. >> he didn't even talk about the tae kwon do that walker does. point and game to kevin blackistone. wealth of information from k.b. >> thank you very much. i want to pat somebody on the back. a guy by the name of diego gutierrez. he was a retired soccer player in the m.l.s. played for a long time with the kansas city wizards. later this week he is being inducted into the world sports humanitarian hall of fame for some good deeds he's done on the continent of africa in fighting malaria. good for him. more proof that all athletes aren't doing bad things. there are some doing good things. >> face time well spent. i like that. >> who would ever argue with a

>> guinness happy hour continues. >> pardon the interruption, but i'm dan lebatard. wilbon has the day off, tony. so i'm here to bring "p.t.i." a little class. >> i'm tony kornheiser. the word i'm thinking of rhymes with "class". >> mass? thickness? >> it could be mass. it rhymes with mass as well. >> sass? >> oh, yes, it definitely has some combination of those lertsdz. >> brass? >> yes, some of those letters. welcome to "p.t.i.," boys and girls. wilbon has abandoned me today and left me in the clutches of our good friend dan lebatard of the "miami herald." say hello, danny. >> gas? >> gas again, very, very close. and we begin today with the indianapolis colts holding onto the ball last night for only about 15 of the 60 minutes. and still beating the miami dolphins in miami. the dolphins dominated the

game statistically, dominated the game in terms of possession, and even had a chance to win the game late until ted ginn jr. batted away a touchdown pass. danny, the dolphins are your team. how good are the colts? how bad are the dolphins? >> the colts are what they always are no matter what the pieces are around manning. they're a 10 winn team at least and the dolphins are exactly the same team they were last year against a much tougher schedule. last year they had the easiest schedule in the league, this year, the toughest. >> i thought both teams were going to drop this year. i thought miami would pull back a little bit. i thought the colts would drop precipitously because of the explosion in coaching they were going to go through. i may be wrong about the colts but the two teams the colts have beaten so far are 0-4. >> the difference between these two teams -- i know

everyone is make a big deal of the difference in the time of possession. it's that the dolphins need 12 plays to do what the colts can do in 12 seconds. they have to dink and duncan -- doink down the field to do it. >> there are two teams where time of possession do not matter. one is new orleans and one is indianapolis. they have the quick strike capability. if you load up on time of possession it's meaningless. the colts and the saints don't usually have a good enough defense to put people away. but they don't need a lot of time. >> the colts won the super bowl already with the worst rushing defense in the league. they managed to win because of their quarterback. >> to be fair, during those playoffs, bob sanders came back and they had a much better deference. >> let's move down a level,

into the mud, where lane kiffin and urban meyer are still stinging, singing, and slinging. urban said his players had the flu in a disjointed victory over tennessee. kiffin says he'll use that as an excuse the next time his team plays poorly and that he can't wait until he gets to play u.f. without tebow. i love when coaches behave like 6-year-olds, tony. how about you? >> i'm going line up with lane kiffin on this particular issue. i thought urban meyer was particularly ungracious after that game. to say first of all that tennessee didn't appear to be trying to win and later to infer that his players were sick. why not be a man and say the following? you know what, we beat them. we're happy for the win and they played a lot better than we thought we were going to play? >> wasn't kiffin ungracious before meyer was? >> kiffin started the whole thing. he came in and attacked meyer early on. it's possible kiffin is a punk but i would score this

round for kiffin, would you not? >> i love this. florida right now is the elephant. everyone else in college football is just the flies around the elephant's tail. you can try to irritate but ultimately the big elephant in the room is florida and all kiffin was doing was trying to agitate it. >> kiffin comes in and shoots off his mouth in order to get some attention and you take on the number one guy. i think this happened at stanford when they took on u.s.c. until last week i would argue that u.s.c. was as big an elephant as florida but you may be right at this time. but didn't you find meyer ungracious? >> he could be classier but he still won by 10 points. this used to be a rivalry. when it was closer, the 10-point loss to tennessee would be heartbreaking and now it's some sort of moral victory and they did play the way urban meyer said they played, unbelievably

cautiously. >> did they win this round in term of the coaches? yes, they did. now kiffin has to win games. do you remember during the cowboys-giants game when it was flashed on the screen that the cowboys had set a new nfl attendance record of 105,000? well, what if i told you that many thousands of those people never got into the arena. they watched the game on giant screens outside the stadium. apparently, they bought tickets to a standing room party pass area, but that didn't guarantee they'd make it into the arena. dan, is this a valid attendance record? >> no, it's totally bogus. how do you sell tickets that don't guarantee you entrance into the stadium? >> easy. the guy sold thousands and thousands. >> anyone who buys a ticket has a right to be mad when they expected to get into the stadium. they could have watched it

at home on television. >> don't you see all the commercials about the fine print for that new bank. oh, no, you can't ride the bicycle out of that box. what if the party tickets had said, if you can get in, if not -- >> what difference does that make? you buy a ticket -- the bear minimum, you buy a -- bare minimum, you buy a ticket, you get into the stadium. >> this is why jerry jones, the ringmaster is a genius. right now they're trying to figure out a way to count 45,000 people watching a game in pittsburgh as being in fedex field. jerry jones way ahead of everybody on this one. love him. >> fake tickets? let's move now to the difficult story of delonte west, who was driving around armed like rambo. west is bipolar, tony. outside of the military, i can't imagine a less forgiving environment for

this kind of thing than sports. meanwhile, michael beasley returned to the heat after checking into rehab for depression, among other things. teams are used to handling physical pains all the time, tony, but how do you handle mental illness if you're a general manager? >> the key is by particular. what is he doing with guns? two guns he carried on his body and one, a shotgun strapped to his back in a guitar case. this is a recipe for disaster. this cannot be allowed to happen. i don't think there's any chance that delonte west is going to open the season for the cleveland cavaliers. what the team and the league has to do is say he's got a problem. we're with him. he's got to get counseling. we have to make sure he's right emotionally before he plays. >> but you don't waive him?

>> absolutely not. you come together on this and work with him. by no mieges. >> it's delonte west and he's a role player. how is this discussion different if it's a more vital cog? it's easy to be understanding as a general manager oz to make your statements with the lesser guys on the team. this is something that's really misunderstood throughout sports. you just asked what he's doing with guns? he's bipolar. it's erratic behavior. >> i don't know michael beasley. from bha i've read about delonte west, this is something where people have to help him. by no means, don't just cut him. that's crazy. we've gone approximately two weeks without hearing from ron artest, which is approximately two weeks too many for mr. artest. and so yesterday artest said, "the lakers won last year, and i'm the new addition. the fans expect to repeat. everybody in l.a. expects a second ring. and if we don't then yeah, they should point it right at me, throwing tomatoes

and everything." dan, if indeed the lakers don't repeat, are you putting it on ron artest? >> sure, yeah, because he's the key acquisition and they were fine without him, champions without him. i got to tell you, i love hearing this guy talk and play. and if not for that pesky riot on his resume he would be one of the most lovable people anywhere in sports. >> well, but that pesky riot is on his resume. i think people gather around artest and poke the bear a little bit and wait and encourage him to say something outrageous then they snicker at him and write it down and use him like a pinata. he's done absolutely nothing in the league and is used because of what he's done and said off the court. >> we love it. he loves it. >> what do you mean we?

>> i love it and clearly the fans enjoy it. >> really? >> the lakers must like him. >> they probably see him as someone who can help him win championships the way dennis rodman helped the bulls win in the second set of three. i don't know we're doing this guy any service by propping him up anytime. i don't. let's take a break, but when we come back does matt ryan actually have a brighter future than tom brady? >> and "joe buck live" returns tonight. artie lang? not so much. >> i wouldn't think so i would think that that relationship is gone.

[captioning made possible by espn, inc.] >> if you're just joining us, lebatard's here! >> i love it! i want some more of it. >> ok, they'll cheer anything. i like glue! let's get to more headlines. here in washington, an obscure redskin has made quite a name for himself. after the team's lackluster 9-7 win on sunday -- a game in which he didn't even play -- rookie linebacker robert henson said that he strongly disliked fans who booed the team, called them

"dimwits" and added this coup de grace -- "who are you to say you know what's best for the team and you work 9:00 to 5:00 at mcdonald's." henson has apologized. is that enough, danny? >> it is enough, but we need to make a rule in sports that if you're going to call fans dimwits you have to play. at the bare minimum tough play in the game. you can't have time on your twitter account because you're not playing. >> there is no more twitter account. i would have cut this guy. i would have dropped him like a hot potato. >> cut him? >> yes. at the least if i was dan snyder i would say robert henson does not speak for us. we respect and love our fans. we're going to give him a second chance but in no way does what he said find favor with us. >> you gave him a second chance as dan snyder but as tony kornheiser you cut

him. >> as tony kornheiser i would get him out. if you're so dumb as to think that things are off the record or that you can insult the entire fan base like that without repercussions. stop, get out. >> that said, tony, home fans -- i don't see the point of booing the team. what good are you doing? >> they were terrible. a lot of the veterans said they would have booed too. >> going to be hard for the second joe buck show on hbo to have as much buzz as the first, tony, but tonight he'll try. no artie lange, just a bunch of big-name sports celebrities. i root for uncomfortable television. bad or good, just make it memorable. you? >> you push for uncomfortable television. this is hard for me to do with you all the time. i wonder this about joe buck. it's been months since he's been on. i've got to think he's extraordinarily nervous about having to go on again. >> he wasn't nervous at all

the first time, which surprised me. you know me, i would have been a puddle of sweat. he's a television pro. he wasn't nervous at all about what artie lange did to him either? >> really? >> you do a radio show, i do a radio show. i like -- make it entertaining even if it is me getting embarrassed. >> that show was i jacked by artie lange who went out and did what he does as a professional comedian and i think joe buck felt that he could handle this situation. but on hbo you can curse and there are no commercials and it's hashed to get out when all the rain is coming in. i occasionally like guests on radio who are edgy but i always know i've got an out. i've got the microphone, i can cut the thing off, and i felt for joe buck. if you say he had no problems with that, he looked terribly uncomfortable if that.

>> because we were experiencing the way we would if it had happened to us. >> so now he's going back to what people expect and let him get his legs under himself in this one. time for another break, but when we return, which former football powerhouse would you rather see back on top, penn state or miami? >> and who showcased the better moves last night,

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>> it's time to back up the truck over lebatard in "tossup." again and again and again. what's first? >> which quarterback would you rather have going forward? matt ryan or tom brady? >> if we're going forward 10 years when brady is retired, obviously i'm going to take matt ryan. if we're going forward to this sunday, i'm going to take tom brady. the whole resume of this guy's work is so much more impressive than ryan's. i'm taking brady.

>> i think the question is going forward over this season, isn't it? >> i'm taking brady. >> what do you think of brady only putting up three field goals against the jets? through two games he hasn't looked like himself. a lot of quarterbacking is in the legs. how long is it going to take him? >> i agree. you're asking me for this season would i trade up? no. >> better shrine celebrities, the dolphins or the colts? >> the dolphins had j. lo and serene us and serena and the colts for reasons unknown to me had tiger woods and he was wearing a golf shirt and a hat. it looked like he was trying to play through. i didn't get it. he was so out of context. i'm going with the dolphins. >> the dolphins would have had the better celebrities if it was 199 . last night you've got tiger woods, one of the biggest stars in the world. he's a bigger star than

anybody the dolphins had, is he not? >> did he look to be comfortable in that context? >> i don't understand. comfortable in what context? he's watching the game. he's in florida, he went to the game. >> they -- then why didn't he root for the doll fins? >> i don't know. >> next? >> who would you rather see back on top? penn state or miami? >> the politically correct answer is we would like to see joe pa get another. but i like miami's colors and city. i wanted to go to miami but my grades in high school were too high. so i couldn't go. >> i love miami's quarterback. he told us on our radio show that he's going to go to the heisman trophy ceremony, he's going to wear a pink suit, blow out

his afro and he's going to carry a diamond encrusted -- joe pa wouldn't do that. >> i think he might wear a pink suit. >> "tossup," better dancer, michael irvin or tom delay? >> i don't care what the tape shows, i cannot believe that tom delay is a better dancer than irvin even though he got more points. i know he tried to sell it but come on. there's no way that irvin isn't a better dancer than delay. >> what happened here? i don't think delay get more points. i think he finished last, didn't he? >> i didn't watch it. its told irvin got one less point than tom delay. the good news is that delay can never run for office again now that this tape is out there. >> michael was very nervous, by the way, which surprises me. wouldn't you be nervous in that setting?

>> i wouldn't dance except if i could do the penguin dance. enough "tossup." danny needs towel off. still to come,greinke get his 15th win can zach tonight? >> and an update on brady quinn's job status. (commentator 1) here's tiger woods, doing what he does bes

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>> despite the presence of lebatard, let's get happy. happy 82nd birthday, tommy lasorda. lasorda's entire baseball career was spent with one organization, the dodgers. now he is sort of an ambassador at large for baseball. notice his role as ambassador with mika brezyinski of the "morning joe program. notice how hands-on about baseball he gets. >> what about scott bayo? he's 48 years old today. >> scary.

a not-so-happy anniversary to cbs. on this day five years ago you were fined $550,000 for janet jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" during the super bowl halftime show. this is in the news again because the f.c.c. wants to retain the power to fine stations for allowing this. and we will use any excuse to show these pictures. >> timberlake getting swarty. >> happy trails to the l.a. sparks playing in the staples center. the wnba's western conference final has been bumped by a britney spears concert and a fight. the sparks will play instead at pauley pavilion, and if that is not available, maybe provisions could be made at an outdoor court with metal nets at the slausson cutoff. >> i got nothing to contribute to that. what else do you want me to say about that? you covered it all. >> thank you so much. time to find out what we messed up, reali? >> so i went online to get you the scores of dancing with the stars. it broke my internet but i'm being told that delay had 20 points last night,

irvin had 19, tied for last with ashley hamilton, son of the well-tanned george hamilton. >> how is it possible that irvin is not a better dancer than delay? >> it's not possible. >> it is not possible. >> during his playing days he used to practice until he threw up on his uniform and then he'd keep on until he did it again. he's going to do that on dancing with the stars. >> shout outs, dan. who ya shouting out to tonight? >> who do we shout to? >> we can shout out to "glee." we're taking a break, but there's more "p.t.i." to come, including the yankees. >> we're back in a few minutes. until then, let's toss it up to "sportscenter." >> good night, canada! we