revolves around when am i getting my money. sabrina believes money grows on trees. i was warned about sabrina before our marriage. family in particular thought sabrina might be after my money. that's what always scared me the most. here it is today. >> dr. phil: okay. so is this really about money? are you feeling used? >> i think that the more money was around, the more -- the more ease there was in our lives. yeah, it's when i said no for the first time that things went downhill. that's when it started. >> dr. phil: have you attacked him? >> about money? >> dr. phil: no. about -- partially. he says you said hurtful things to him as well. quote, you're a deadbeat and a piece of [bleep]. quote, i wish you would kill yourself. you've ruined your children's lives. >> i've never said i wish you would kill yourself. >> you never said why don't you just kill yourself and put yourself out of my misery?

>> no. >> that's a lie. that's a lie. >> no. i said that i wish you weren't here anymore. i never -- i never would say something like that. >> you said it. you said it point blank to my face. >> yes, i asked him about money all the time because right now i'm the only one who's taking care of our children. >> uh-huh. >> my two boys. >> who was taking care of you and our kids the entire time? >> financially? i worked, so you forgot that. i did work. >> at my company. >> and then i worked two other places after your company. >> and while you were working, who was watching our kids? >> my mother. >> your mother. who paid your mother? >> you paid my mom. >> thank you. >> but not all of it. it's not -- it's not about money. >> dr. phil: all right. let's take a break here. i grew up wearing lots of hand-me-downs. bell bottoms in the '80s? not pretty. then she found them. she loved them, so i washed them in tide with downy and they're still soft and fresh. right?

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>> dr. phil: well, mark says, quote, i got duped. i busted my ass to give the world to her, but the little [bleep] has been spoiled since she was born. >> if you -- i mean, the world to me is not you going around and [bleep] on me. if i knew -- >> what is the world to you? i'd sure like to know. >> you didn't give me the world. >> you tried. >> no, you didn't.

you -- you didn't. >> i gave you everything you ever wanted until one day i said no more. >> no. >> it got to the point where i could not make this woman happy no matter what. >> it wasn't about the money! >> it wasn't about the money to me either. >> it wasn't about the money. i never wanted your money. >> i didn't -- i didn't believe you did. >> if i wanted money, i would have gone and married someone much more wealthier than you. [applause] >> dr. phil: did you offer her money to stay in the marriage? >> no. i asked the question if there's anything i could do and she said no, so i offered nothing. i mean, you -- >> dr. phil: justine says mark offered sabrina thousands of dollars to stay in the marriage. did he or didn't he? >> yes. he said what would it take to stay in the marriage. if i made x amount of dollars, a large amount of money, would that help? would you stay? yes, he did offer her. >> when was this? >> you did. >> when was this?

>> you thought it was about money. you thought i was leaving you because it was about money. >> i did everything for her, not for me. i didn't -- i didn't buy a company for me. i didn't need that. i didn't need to make money. i know we had a lifestyle we wanted to live which was directed by what you wanted. i wanted you to be happy. i didn't need a big house or a great car or any of that stuff. i don't need that stuff. >> then why did you go buy a camaro? >> why did we buy the camaro? >> we didn't. >> we did we buy a cadillac for you? >> for our child. that's why. >> oh, oh. >> dr. phil: all right. we're going to take a break here. when we come back, i'm going to tell you what i think's going on here, and you're going to think i'm crazy. we'll be right back. >> mark proposed to me on december 23rd, 2003. i came home to a note on my

countertop that said there's a message for you outside. i walked outside and in the snow was christmas lights, will you marry me? it was shocking. i wasn't expecting it. >> announcer: tomorrow on an all-new "dr. phil" -- >> dr. phil: some of these moms participate in mother/daughter pageants. >> announcer: when they both go for the crown, it won't be pretty. >> you're being a psycho crazy pageant mom is what you're being. >> announcer: that's tomor [ tea kettle whistle ] [ punches ]

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>> on a scale of 1-10, the break-up with my ex has been an 11. it's an absolute nightmare. >> the things that have happened

have happened and i can't forget them and i can't forgive. this divorce is really happening. there's no turning back. >> dr. phil: well, mark says his marriage has been a roller-coaster of emotions. despite all the bad behavior, he just doesn't seem to be through with what's going on here. sabrina says she's through. i really question that. they're currently awaiting their divorce to be finalized. there are children involved here. during the interview with mark, he really told us what he thought and felt about his kids. take a look. >> daddy push me, you know. sorry. you can't put into words how much i miss them.

you can't. there's no way for me to say it. unless you've got kids and you don't see them every day like you used to, you don't know. i can't tell you. >> dr. phil: how do you feel about those children? >> i don't care about anything else anymore other than those children. that's the best thing that ever happened to me. if there's anything i was born to be, it was a daddy. i think i'm a pretty damn good one. >> dr. phil: do you think he loves his children? >> absolutely. >> dr. phil: so this went all really, really wrong. >> absolutely. >> dr. phil: i think the big problem here is that you guys are still very much in love. if we were in the fourth grade, he would be pulling your pigtail instead of putting an ad on ebay. he would be chasing you around the lunchroom.

you talked about when he proposed to you. let's take a look at this proposal again. >> mark proposed to me on december 23rd, 2003. i came home to a note on my countertop that said there's a message for you outside. i walked outside and in the snow was christmas lights, will you marry me. it was shocking. i wasn't expecting it. the way he proposed was really clever. even today i still get teary-eyed over it. >> dr. phil: why did you say yes? >> because i loved him. >> dr. phil: what did you love about him? >> everything. he was my knight in shining armor. he was who i wanted to spend the rest of my life with. >> dr. phil: merging two lives together is not always the easiest thing in the world to do. >> no, it's not. >> dr. phil: it's not. >> there's no manual for it. >> dr. phil: no. actually, there is. [laughter]

i wrote it in 2008. [laughter and applause] it is aptly name "relationship rescue." i will give you each a copy and on tape before you leave. is it possible that you are just two or three decisions away from having had the dream you wanted? >> absolutely. >> dr. phil: it wasn't that you -- you found out that he wasn't even almost who you thought he was. you just found out he had some flaws you didn't anticipate. >> correct. >> dr. phil: and as a result, we're in this. and you say this was just my current way to get her. this is my current way to get her. >> yes, sir. >> dr. phil: now, we're going to take a break here. when we come back, i'm going to tell you why that's the dumbest thing you've said today, and

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>> dr. phil: if you would like to purchase a dvd or transcript of your favorite "dr. phil show," please log on to drphil.com or call 866-4-dr-phil. >> i take all the responsibility in the world for our marriage getting screwed up. i mean, i know i [bleep] up. i messed up bad by straying away

from my wife. i did a lot of things wrong. and at this point, i'm the only one that's accepted any responsibility for it. even after all this, i would still go back with sabrina. >> dr. phil: i've said that people in america get divorced too soon and that the only time you're ever ready to get a divorce is when you can honestly say you have absolutely no unfinished emotional business with your partner. neither of you are in that position. you fail that by 100% on each of you. the second test is what you would say to your children if they asked you one day, mommy, why did i have to grow up without my daddy in the home? daddy, why did i have to grow up without my mommy in the home? if all you can say is, well, we just started acting like idiots and got in each others way, so we just quit. you won't be able to say, you know, we did everything possible that we could do. we decided that it was in your best interest if we remained your parents, but we lived separately.

and you haven't earned the right to do that. you are immature. you are immature. emotionally, you're immature. [applause] you're a big, strong guy and you're obviously very intelligent. you really do have so many good things about you. but emotionally, you're immature. you want somebody to constantly be pumping up your ego and telling you how wonderful you are so you can get up there and slay the dragon and conquer the world. if she hits a rough patch where she doesn't do that, then you go seek it from anybody that will give it to you. you find some trollop at a restaurant, a co-worker, simply that will step up, blow smoke up [bleep] and get cash out of it. well, i'm just telling you the truth. i'm just telling you the truth. and so they just -- they just say, oh, look at him. i can go tell him how wonderful he is, and he'll just start

shelling out money. you're getting used because you are immature. the dumbest thing you said since you got here was this was my latest way to get back at my soon-to-be ex-wife. but let me change that sentence. what you were basically saying is this was the latest way to hurt my children's mother. if i can win out and show that i'm the winner in this, that's good for my ego, but my children pay the price. for every percent that you gain, those children lose ten-fold. your pressure of success is how much you can hurt the mother of your children. how sick does that sound? >> sounds horrible. >> dr. phil: but that's exactly, precisely what you're doing. and tell me that i'm wrong when

i say that in your absolute heart of hearts, you want to say i have been childish because you have hurt me with rejection, and i'm sorry. tell me that's not how you feel. >> that's exactly how i feel. >> dr. phil: well, then tell her that. man up right now and tell the woman. [applause] >> i'm sorry. i was hurt. >> dr. phil: look her in the eye. >> i was hurt when you rejected me each and every time. when i didn't feel like i was good enough for you and i was immature and childish in what i did. >> thank you. >> dr. phil: tell her, i've been ashamed. you know, i do take pride in being able to provide and make

money. and when i hit hard times, i felt ashamed of that. i felt like i let you down. tell her. >> that's exactly -- >> dr. phil: i'm reading your mind. you know i am. tell her. [laughter] >> it feels like hell. i feel like i let you and the boys down, and then to hear it from your mouth maybe brought the worst out of me instead of the best, and i'm sorry. [applause] >> dr. phil: one last thing that -- don't say it if it isn't the truth, but we both know it is. i want you to tell her it means so much to me to know that you're proud of me. >> it means everything. >> dr. phil: when i couldn't feel that, it hurt. >> it means everything to me to think you're proud of me, everything.

and when i didn't feel it, it killed me. >> dr. phil: what do you think about what he's saying? >> i just wish you could have told me sooner. >> i know. i didn't say it until he put the words for me. >> i mean, i hope that that's the truth, and i hope that that's really how you feel. >> dr. phil: i want you to do something for me. i want you to put your mind, your heart and your divorce on hold, and it's on hold anyway, for six weeks. and let me hand-pick someone to sit down with the two of you at our expense, not yours. let me hand-pick someone that will sit down with the two of you and unravel this ball of yarn. so if you make the decision to go forward with this, you meet the criteria that i set forth,

because i suspect that you may come back here after six weeks and say you stopped us from making the biggest mistake our little family would have ever made. >> okay. >> dr. phil: will you give me that six weeks? >> uh-huh. >> dr. phil: will you give me that six weeks? >> absolutely. [applause] >> dr. phil: we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] what makes jcpfastcash so exciting? it's like extra cash you earn in an instant. earn 10, 20, or $30 jcpfastcash right at the register. then use it right now on anything you want, see, or love.

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because what you think's hard now is just going to get harder. that's why sometimes you've got to take a real hard look at if you're ready. you can also vote via our facebook page. just click "like" and share your opinions there. i want to thank all my guests for being here today. thanks so much. [applause] see y'all. bye.

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now, "entertainment tonight," the most watched entertainment news magazine in the world. is bernie madoff's wife hiding millions? >> many people assume there's a stash. >> find out what ruth madoff knows before you see it on 60 minutes will she divorce bernie? did they really try to commit suicide? >> what did you take? >> i think ambien. >> a real housewife of new jersey. >> from 115 pounds to 400 pounds. >> melissa gorga's fat suit transformation. >> from new york city, our

special report on fat discrimination. >> one fat suit, five hours of makeup, seven hidden cameras. >> stuck in a cab, taunted on the subway. >> one kid was saying, how much do you eat? you never realize how hurtful it is until you are walking in these shoes. idol judge steven tyler, bruised and toothless. our new photo. and dog the bounty hunter exclusive. was his grandson beaten by his father? only "e.t.'s" hanging off the world's tallest building with tom cruise. it's our mission impossible ghost protocol on set exclusive. and -- raj is here with big bang bloopers. >> action. >> what? jim, johnny, it's payback time. now from times square in new york city, here is nancy o'dell. >> good evening, everyone. welcome to our studio high above times square >> and hello from los angeles,

i'm mark steines. here in new york, certain holding their breath, waiting to find out what bombshell will drop next from bernie madoff and his wife ruth, is she hiding a hidden fortune. i found out when i talked to the 60 minutes correspondent who scored ruth's first interview >> i was kind of paralyzed. bernie got up and said i'm going back to the office. >> ruth madoff on getting the news. the new clip from sunday's 60 minutes. >> was he emotional in any way in. >> i don't remember that evening. >> apologetic in any way? >> probably, yes. >> i don't know how you recover from the kind of accusations that she had to deal with. >> 60 minutes morley safer with the exclusive interview. ruth madoff, once a billionaire's wife, now living a life of shame, going to the grocery store at night, hiding

under a hat. her husband, infamous fraud, loathed by the thousands that he scammed. >> many assume there's a stash that bernie left somewhere. >> we had terrible phone calls, hate mail, i said i can't -- i just can't go on anymore. >> looking tired, but well put together, expensive-looking hair cut with meticulous makeup, she was wearing a somber grey jacket and no jewelry. but ruth had the look of a wealthy woman that's well maintained. >> she has $2.5 million that was part of the arrangement that she made with the trustee. she gave back -- what they took back, i think, approaching $80 million. she's quite content, i think, she said that she never knew. she makes a fairly convincing case of that. the next question is, if you

didn't know, you should have known. >> i didn't know whose idea it was. we decided to kill ourselves. >> they tried and failed to commit suicide. does he believe her? >> it's a cry for help. i don't know how many pills you have to take to kill yourself. >> living in florida, dodging cameras as seen on abc's 20/20, one son dead after killing himself and thousands of people who suffered after losing their life savings. does she carry any guilt? >> i think she feels some guilt. i think that her son, both sons, mark and did want her to disown her husband. and she didn't. >> i found out so much more about ruth's personal life today. you'll hear all of it a little bit later on in the show. right now, we turn our cameras on fat discrimination.

69 million people are considered obese. but what is it really like to weigh 400 pounds? we asked real housewife of new jersey melissa gorga to put on a fat suit and walk a mile in their shoes, in this special report. >> we're about to go into the streets of new york. my heart is pounding. i'm a little jittery. i feel nervous. >> melissa, before, a 115-pound reality tv star. melissa, now, in a fat suit weighing 400 pounds. but more than size, women everywhere, know that fat is also a feeling and do anything to avoid it. diet, exercise, starving, binging, lipo, why? real housewife of new jersey melissa gorga found out the hard way. snide comments.

stares. the looks up and down. in your face rude. >> how many pounds are you? >> one kid was saying, how much do you eat? they were laughing at me. i think that overweight people get looked upon in a very negative way and they people ignore them and probably a lot of very hurtful moment. >> reporter: our special report begins here with melissa, the 32-year-old real housewife of new jersey star is a happily married stay at home mom of three. we took her to times square, our team ready to go. >> one fat suit. five hours of makeup. seven hidden cameras. >> these glasses have a hidden camera, all battery operated. my producer is going to be wearing these. which also have a hidden camera. there's hidden cameras in each one of these duffle bags as well. >> why take part in this physical transformation? for melissa, it's a lesson about

judgment and respect. >> it's going to be interesting to see how people watch me and watch every bite that goes into my mouth and possibly assume that i ate just five minutes ago. i'm at a buffet, because it's all you can eat. immediately america will judge you because you're overweight and think you're a lazy person. there are people who are struggling every day trying to lose the weight and trying to achieve their goal in the weight that they want to become. who are we to judge them? >> such a compelling report. still to come -- the full fat suit transformation. the layers and the pros at the timic. we'll show you how melissa did it. now the new photo of rocker steven tyler, toothless after a nasty fall. plus, dog the bounty hunter in tears over his grandson and the abuse allegation. and raj is here with "big

bang" bloopers. >> you'll only see them here. before we go to break, only we can show you tom cruise's most daring stunt, ever, this is going to make your pulse race, it's our mission impossible ghost protocol world exclusive. >> so, what happens now in. >> got to love this line. >> your mission should you choose to accept -- >> okay, this is slight wrinkle. we'll have to go into the server room from the outside. >> we? >> i'm on the computer. >> plus, tom's death-defying stunt, no double here from the world's tallest building. cruise and his impossible 4 is accused of international terrorism. >> the four of us are all that remains of the imf. no safe house.

no support. >> the mission of tom and his renegade team when it opens december 1st, clear the agency's name or die trying. >> we come back wi

"entertainment tonight," continues from new york city. here, again, is nancy o'dell. how did real housewife melissa gorga transform into a 400-pound woman, we'll show you step by step. plus, dog the bounty hunter on the record with "e.t." about his grandson's alleged abuse. those stories are just minutes away. but right now, mark steines has a special guest in our los angeles studio. >> millions will be tuning in to watch the big bang theory. raj dropped by. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, mark. tonight's a big halloween episode. to be honest, the scariest thing is when we mess up in real life. before we do anything, let's show you the "big bang" blooper

and let's start with the guy who wins all of the emmys. jim parsons. >> the driver's hand book. it's not written there. scissors captivates lizards. oh, gosh, i messed up. [ laughter ] >> johnny, giddy, payback time. >> are you high? >> are you high? >> the point is, i don't judge a book by its -- >> hi. >> good job. >> we make way -- >> this was terrific. >> i would have slept in my own bed but it was being used to

disgrace -- >> for all of the outtakes, all four seasons of the big bang theory are out on dvd. >> let's do one more. >> none of us understood that. >> i have been in this country ten years now. >> well, it looks like a lot of fun to me. still ahead here on "e.t." -- dog the bounty hunter's grandson. the abuse allegations against his father. plus the real story behind this toothless steven tyler picture. and inside ruth madoff's life now, after the scandal, plus, will she divorce bernie? and our new york fat suit special report continues with melissa's shocking transformation. that's next.

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the alleged beating of his grandson travis junior, 9 years old, at the hands of travis, senior, 6'9" tall. >> when you heard that terrible audio, how did that make you feel? >> it was in l.a., we were at gene simmons' wedding. it was overwhelming to me. instantly, i got mad and i instantly thought, i can't wait to get my hands around big travis' throat. i'm trained enough to know not to do that. >> dog says that little travis told kids at school that his dad was beating him, he said when the teachers found out, the school told the dad what they found out. >> go show the school that, or why did you tell those people at school that daddy -- >> because the teacher went to the parent the abuser and said,

hey, there are rumors that you're beating your kid, however they said it. >> although travis senior denied that he abused his son, dog and his team from his reality show, went through government channels to take little travis away. >> this was my love, my little grandson. you know, i felt like -- >> when you got custody of travis junior, were there signs of the abuse that occurred? >> i don't think because it was so long, a week or two after the allegedly abuse, there were bruises. >> his daughter barbara died in a car crash when travis was just 4. >> one of the last conversations, please, dad, watch travis, don't let him get hurt. >> and our exclusive interview will turn even more emotional tomorrow, this man who's known for being so tough, breaks down in tears over his daughter's death. why does he blame himself?

you'll hear that tomorrow. nancy? mark, emotions were also running high when melissa gorga slip into the fat suit, what did it take to that 115-pound real housewife into a 400-pound woman, we're revealing her remarkable transformation in our special report. >> i'm emotionally prepared for this transformation. five hours of makeup and prosthetic to transform myself into a 400-pound woman. >> 34:30 a.m., the process begins, the face mold is glued ea in by inch on my face. >> i my face feels very stiff. >> special effects artist robert hall and his team from almost human are behind the transformation, the double chin, air brushing and makeup provide the finishing touches. >> the second i look into the mirror, i feel like i have lost some confidence. >> next up, the fat suit.

>> oh, my goodness. what is this? this is exactly where all of the rolls would be. pretty much, right? >> exactly. >> 100 hours, 9 yards of fabric and 2 million silicone beans create the suit. the suit itself weighs 50 pounds. >> if you drop something, can you pick it up? i already feel like i'm breathing more heavy. i'm going to try to put these shoes on. it's just not easy. i can't even believe the transformation. i don't even know who i'm looking at. i feel sad. women deal with these issues to begin with and you know, body image issues, even when they're 120 pounds. i don't want to cry, because i

don't want to say i feel bad, but i know, i get it and i get their struggle. this is really eye-opening. it's crazy. >> now, melissa is ready to go. what lies ahead? as she sets out to uncover. riding a subway. >> i know that this isn't even my body. i wanted to shed a tear for the people who go through this. >> things get tougher for melissa in tomorrow's show. when i sat down with 60 minutes i wanted to know more about ruth madoff's personal life. >> for 60 minutes this sunday on cbs, veteran newsman morley safer, interviews a woman at an emotional cross roads. she married bernie maudeoff november 28th, 1959. their 52nd wedding anniversary

is in a month. her husband remains in a federal prison outside of raleigh, north carolina. will she divorce him? they are certainly estrange zmrd there is no relationship, she says. no prison visits no phone calls, no e-mails. what she has to do to maintain a dekrernt relationship with her son and grandchildren. >> now, an andy rooney health update. fans concerned. he remains hospitalized. his condition was described as quote, stable, we all wish him well. want to get you up to date on steven tyler's condition. he's smiling right now. the photo that he shared with the today show, two loss teeth. but he was back on stage last night. and "e.t." is going to continue right after this break.

so don't go away. in tonight's "entertainment tonight" birthdays -- which former "dancing with the stars" contestant performed in a 2007 stage production of "chicago." ? kelly osbourne, nicole scherzinger or melissa joan heart. your answer is next in the "e.t. birthdays."

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