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zeig heil! >> stahl: if they sound like nazis, it's because they are... >> zeig heil! zeig heil! zeig heil! >> stahl: ...the largest neo- nazi group in america, rallying in trenton, new jersey. >> this isn't dress-up, this isn't a game. we're fighting for our children's future. >> stahl: jeff hall was the movement's rising star who was murdered at point-blank range in his own home. what's astonishing about this story was who did it. >> simon: you used to be a pretty bad girl. now you are a u.n. ambassador. you are a member of the council on foreign relations. do you ever miss being a bad girl? >> i'm still a bad girl. >> simon: every once in a while, you draw the short straw here at "60 minutes." this time, we were told to spend a few days with a woman who is often called the most beautiful woman in the world, angelina jolie. the vast majority of americans know you because you're on the cover of magazines every week.
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musk is the wealthy internet entrepreneur that we introduced you to last march who has vowed to revolutionize space exploration by bringing down the astronomical costs. musk's company, called space-x, made history on thursday when it became the first private company to make a roundtrip flight to the space station. it's been hailed as the beginning of a new era of commercial space travel, an era that can't get here fast enough for nasa, which retired the space shuttle last summer and now has to pay its old rival russia to fly american astronauts into space. musk's ambition doesn't stop at the space station. he's one of the contenders vying for a nasa contract to build america's next manned spacecraft, a contest that he believes he has the right stuff to win.
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when the final shuttle mission ended last july, for the first time in three decades, the united states had no way to launch astronauts into space. it was the end of one era, and the beginning of another. instead of nasa designing the next manned spacecraft, the white house decided that private industry should design, build, and fly it, opening space to commercial development. one of the companies vying for that contract is space-x. elon musk is the founder and c.e.o. is what we are experiencing at this moment in time the turning point in man's reach for space, going from governments to private companies like yours? >> elon musk: i think we're at the dawn of a new era, and it's... i think it's going to be very exciting. what we're hoping to do with space-x is to push the envelope and provide a reason for people to be excited and inspired to be human. >> pelley: musk is 40 years old,
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a naturalized american citizen, and reportedly worth nearly $2 billion. he isn't your typical corporate c.e.o. as a teenager, he wrote computer games in his native south africa, before immigrating to the u.s., and to silicon valley, where he was one of the most successful internet entrepreneurs, the co-founder of paypal. >> ladies and gentlemen, mr. elon musk. ( applause ) >> pelley: despite a chorus of skeptics, musk built a car company called tesla that turns out 5,000 high-end all-electric cars a year. another musk company sells solar power systems. but his lifelong passion is space. and when ebay bought paypal in 2002, musk started looking for ways to launch his new fortune into orbit. >> musk: i went to russia to look at buying a refurbished icbm, which is a very trippy
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experience. it was very bizarre. yeah, when i tell people that, they have to, like, "what?!" ( laughs ) >> pelley: musk made three trips to russia, trying to buy an intercontinental ballistic missile called the dnieper. his plan was bizarre-- put a greenhouse on the rocket, land it on mars, and beam back the pictures. >> musk: it would get people really excited, and that would recharge human space exploration. that... that was my original idea. >> pelley: you just wanted to get people interested in space again? >> musk: yes. yes. >> pelley: capture the imagination. >> musk: yes. that was... that was the idea. >> pelley: turns out the dnieper was so expensive, his idea never flew, so musk decided that the only way to get an affordable rocket was to build it himself, and he started space-x. >> musk: the odds of me coming into the rocket business not knowing anything about rockets, not having ever built anything... i mean, i would have to be insane if i thought the odds were in my favor. >> pelley: why even begin?
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>> musk: when something is important enough, you do it, even if the odds are not in your favor. >> pelley: how much of your personal fortune have you poured into this? >> musk: $100 million. >> pelley: $100 million into something that you did not believe would work at the beginning. >> musk: yes. >> pelley: musk truly believes that low-cost space exploration is essential to the survival of mankind. >> musk: i think it's important that humanity become a multi- planet species. i think most people would agree that a future where we are a space-faring civilization is inspiring and exciting, compared with one where we are forever confined to earth until some eventual extinction event. that's really why i started space-x. >> pelley: space-x is housed in a sprawling factory near los angeles, where fuselages for boeing 747s used to be built. from its beginning ten years ago, its goal has been revolutionary change in rocket and spacecraft manufacturing. now, tell me what's that big piece right up there?
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>> musk: that's the second stage of a falcon nine rocket. >> pelley: instead of multiple companies building parts all across the country, space-x builds most of its rockets and spacecraft in-house, based on musk's belief that it's more efficient and lowers costs. 1,400 engineers and skilled technicians work here, building engines, rockets, space capsules, creating mostly from scratch the thousands of components that are the guts of a rocket. >> musk: so what that means is, raw metal comes in and then we build the engines, the airframe, the electronics. and we integrate all of that together, and that's all done, more or less, under one roof. >> pelley: metal comes in one end of this factory, spaceships come out the other. >> musk: yes. >> pelley: final assembly takes place at the cape canaveral launch pad. >> musk: if the margin is there and we don't have margin to the fourth power, then it's fine. >> pelley: musk has college degrees in business and physics,
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but space-x is his first venture in aerospace. he bills himself as chief designer and chief technology officer. how did you get the expertise to be the chief technology officer of a rocket ship company? >> musk: well, i do have a physics background. that's helpful as a foundation. and hen, i read a lot of books and talked to a lot of... a lot of smart people. >> pelley: you're self-taught? >> musk: yeah. well... well, i... self-taught, yes, meaning i didn't... i don't have an aerospace degree. >> pelley: so, how did you go about acquiring the knowledge? >> musk: i read a lot of books, talked to a lot of people, and have a great team. >> pelley: his team is a mixture: there are newcomers-- mostly 30-something engineers, some of them straight out of college-- and then there are the skilled technicians and aerospace veterans. former nasa astronaut garrett reisman spent three months aboard the space station and flew on one of the final shuttle missions. he was brought in to help oversee the company's manned space work.
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you know, i'm curious-- you have so much background in engineering, you could have easily gotten a job at boeing or at lockheed, but you came here. >> garrett reisman: if you had a chance to go back in time and work with howard hughes when he was creating t.w.a., if you had a chance to be there at that moment when it was the dawn of a brand-new era, would... wouldn't you want to do that? i mean, that's... that's why i'm here. >> pelley: and that's why most of the engineers we met are here-- building spaceships is the chance of a lifetime. if you reach the point of having a successful manned flight, what will you have proven? >> we're not doing it to prove anything. ( laughs ) you know, we know it can be done. we're just trying to do it a little bit differently, a little bit faster, and to push the... push the fence a little bit farther out. >> and then we can all go... i mean, i want to go into space. i assume most people here do as well. ( laughter ) >> pelley: how many want to ride? ( laughter ) okay. everybody wants to go. >> caroline wants... >> caroline conley: i'm... i'm not so sure. ( laughter ) >> four, three, two, one...
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>> pelley: four years after starting, space-x rolled out its first rocket, an unmanned booster called the falcon one. >> falcon has cleared the tower. >> pelley: but the first three test flights failed to reach orbit. >> we are hearing from the launch control center that there has been an anomaly on the vehicle. >> pelley: when you had that third failure in a row, did you think, "i need to pack this in"? >> musk: never. >> pelley: why not? >> musk: i don't ever give up. i mean, i'd have to be dead or completely incapacitated. >> pelley: it turned out that the third failure was caused by a two-second glitch in the timing. eight weeks later, musk bet the company on another flight. >> we have lift-off. ( cheers and applause ) >> pelley: and this time around, everything worked. >> perfect. >> musk: if that fourth launch hadn't worked, that would have been it. we would have not had the resources to mount a fifth.
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>> pelley: you couldn't have gone on at that point? >> musk: yes. death would have been, i think, inevitable because we did not have the resources to mount a fifth launch. >> pelley: this is a tricky business. >> musk: tricky. ( laughs ) yeah, the... with... yeah. i wish it wasn't so hard. ( laughs ) >> pelley: in 2010, space-x tested a larger, more powerful nine-engine rocket called the falcon 9, and an unmanned cargo capsule known as dragon. it was the first privately developed rocket designed to carry cargo and, eventually, astronauts to the space station. >> m-vac ignition confirmed. >> 3.2 kilometers per second. >> pelley: in its first test flight, the dragon capsule performed flawlessly, orbiting the earth twice before splashdown in the pacific, the first time a private company had launched and recovered its own
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spacecraft. and this is a historic spacecraft. >> musk: it is, yeah. >> pelley: we came across the dragon capsule while musk was showing us around. you know, what i noticed about your cargo ship is that it has windows. >> musk: the windows are there in case there's an astronaut on board who wants to look up. >> pelley: but people don't put windows in cargo ships. >> musk: that's right. exactly. ( laughs ) >> pelley: so what that tells me is that this was never intended to be only a cargo ship. >> musk: no, it... no, the dragon was always designed to carry astronauts. >> pelley: musk says that a manned version of the dragon capsule will be safer than the space shuttle, and a lot cheaper. engineers are already designing escape rockets, life support equipment, and computer guidance systems. they were studying seating for seven when we were there. do you believe that your rocket will be the next american rocket to take an astronaut into space? >> musk: i believe that is the most likely outcome, yes. >> pelley: that sort of confidence has not exactly
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endeared him to the space establishment, or to his competitors. there are people who've been in the rocketry business for decades who say about you that you don't know what you don't know. >> musk: well, if... i suppose that's true of anyone. how can anyone know what they don't know? ( laughter ) >> pelley: but when critics say, "you can't do this," your answer to them is? >> musk: we've done it. >> pelley: he's done it, in partnership with nasa, which has given space-x technical advice and a contract worth up to $1.6 billion, mostly for 12 cargo flights to the space station. but space-x's lack of experience bothers some nasa legends like apollo astronauts neil armstrong and gene cernan. they've testified to congress that the obama administration's drive to commercialize space could compromise safety and eventually cost the taxpayers. >> gene cernan: now is the time to overrule this administration's pledge to mediocrity.
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>> pelley: you know, there are american heroes who don't like this idea-- neil armstrong... >> musk: yeah. >> pelley: ...gene cernan have both testified against commercial space flight and the way that you're developing it, and i wonder what you think of that. >> musk: i was very sad to see that, because those guys are... yeah, you know, those guys are heroes of mine, so it's really tough. you know, i... i wish they would come and visit and see the... see the hard work that we're doing here. and... and i think that would change their mind. >> pelley: they inspired you to do this, didn't they? >> musk: yes. >> pelley: and to see them casting stones in your direction? >> musk: difficult. >> pelley: did you expect them to cheer you on? >> musk: certainly hoping they would. >> pelley: what are you trying to prove to them? >> musk: what i'm trying to do is to make a significant difference in... in space flight, and... and help make space flight accessible to... to
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almost anyone. and i... i would hope for as much support in that direction as we... as we can receive. >> pelley: president obama made his support clear when he visited space-x's launch site just before falcon 9's first test flight. its most ambitious flight blasted off ten days ago, carrying an unmanned cargo capsule called dragon for a rendezvous with the space station. before docking, the capsule was put through maneuvers to guarantee that the software was working and the dragon posed no threat to the multibillion- dollar station that was moving 17,000 miles an hour 240 miles above the earth. >> looks like we got a dragon by the tail. >> pelley: on thursday, the capsule returned safely, and if all goes well, space-x will begin routine cargo deliveries to the space station later this year. but the big prize is winning the nasa contract to build america's
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next manned spacecraft. and elon musk is facing stiff competition. >> musk: i'm probably not... not the guy that most people would bet on. usually... >> pelley: who wins? >> musk: ...it's like a little kid fighting a bunch of sumo wrestlers. ( laughs ) usually, the sumo wrestlers win. we're a little scrappy company. every now and again, the little scrappy company wins. and i... i think this'll be one of those times. good evening, gas prices are down $.21 in the past month to a national average to $359 a gallon. stocks open tomorrow after the dow's worst performance of the year on friday, and trying to boost sales of nintendo one ill veil the wiiu this week. i'm jeff glor, cbs news.
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>> stahl: it was just over one year ago that the leader of a neo-nazi group was murdered in riverside, california. his name was jeff hall. he was a burly man, six-foot- three, a devoted father of five young children, and a plumber who had been unemployed for three years. jeff hall was shot at near zero range in his own living room. but, as we first reported in september, what was truly astonishing was who shot him. >> jeff hall: we've been through a lot together, some of us, you know. seriously... >> stahl: this is 32-year-old jeff hall. these pictures were taken just hours before he was executed, right in this room. the executioner-- this child, his son. his ten-year-old son. but if you find this image disturbing, consider this one taken two weeks earlier... >> zeig heil! >> stahl: ...a neo-nazi rally on
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the streets of trenton, new jersey. >> hall: whose streets? >> our streets! >> hall: whose streets? >> our streets! >> hall: whose streets? >> our streets! >> hall: zeig heil! >> zeig heil! >> stahl: jeff hall was a rising star in the largest neo-nazi group in the country, the national socialist movement, or nsm. >> zeig heil! >> stahl: the numbers nationwide are still small-- 500 members, tops-- but they're growing. >> hall: this isn't dress-up, this isn't a game. we are fighting for our children's future. >> stahl: according to jeff hall and the nsm, that future would be an all-white, non-semitic america. >> hall: there's other groups i could join. there's tons of them. >> stahl: jeff hall joined only three years ago, but seen as personable and charismatic, he quickly became the leader of the nsm in california, arizona, utah, and nevada. >> hall: zeig heil! >> zeig heil! zeig heil! >> stahl: this footage was shot by julie platner, a filmmaker and photographer who was able to
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gain the nsm's trust... >> how you doing, miss julie? >> stahl: ...and enter their closed world of private meetings. >> hall: julie has me mic'ed. >> stahl: she quickly honed in on jeff hall. >> hall: jeff. nice to meet you >> stahl: jeff hall cultivated a sense of family among his new recruits... ( clapping ) >> hall: yeah. we did good. >> stahl: ...holding his monthly meetings at his house, with the kids around, including his son joseph. these gatherings were a strange mix of nazi propaganda... >> hall: that's how we apply what we learn from "mein kampf." >> stahl: ...and party games. >> happy birthday! >> stahl: a birthday celebration topped off by... >> zeig heil! >> stahl: jeff's mother, joann patterson, went to some of her son's meetings, despite abhorring her son's politics. >> joann patterson: i wanted to make sure it was okay for my grandkids to be there. and i had a great time. it looked like any barbecue in any backyard in america. >> stahl: but they were nazis.
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we're just sitting here talking about nazis. >> patterson: i know, it's crazy. >> stahl: they're in your own family. >> patterson: i know, it's crazy, huh? >> stahl: "my son became a nazi." >> patterson: yeah, a nazi leader. ( laughs ) >> stahl: on saturday, april 30, her son jeff held what would be his last get-together. nothing seemed out of the ordinary, to the extent this is ordinary. ten-year-old joseph was running in and out of the house. >> joseph hall: i'm going outside. >> stahl: all the kids were. dad even took some of them to see his nazi glow-in-the-dark t- shirt with its "ss" insignia. >> wow. >> jeff hall: it's the little things in life. >> stahl: this is the last recorded image of jeff hall alive. after people left that night, the family watched a movie, "yogi bear," as jeff slept on the couch. the others went upstairs to bed. then, at 4:02 a.m... >> 9-1-1 emergency. >> krista hall: my son shot my husband! i need an ambulance.
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he's bleeding. >> how old is your son? >> krista hall: ten. >> how old is your son? >> krista hall: ten. oh, god! >> stahl: you were the first detective at the scene after the murder, is that correct? >> greg rowe: that's correct. >> stahl: detective greg rowe saw jeff hall dead on the couch. he says little joseph, who was found hiding upstairs under his covers, described calmly how he had gotten the family's rossi .357 magnum from his dad's closet... >> rowe: ...went downstairs and shot his dad. he described how he used his four fingers to cock the gun, and used two fingers to pull the trigger, and he pointed it at his ear. >> stahl: this was not a case of a kid thinking it was a toy and letting it go off by accident? >> rowe: there's no evidence this was anything but intentional. >> stahl: prosecutor michael soccio. >> mihael soccio: when he was taken into juvenile hall, he's so little, they didn't have shoes to fit him. so they had to go out and buy him a little pair of tennis shoes.
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and he asked if he'd be able to keep the shoes when he left, which showed an absolute lack of understanding of what was going to be happening. >> stahl: the department of justice reports only nine cases of a ten-year-old killing a parent since 1980. but then, how many american kids are raised by a nazi? when you heard that the victim was the head of the local nazi organization, did you just think to yourself that that had something to do with it? >> soccio: when i first heard it, i thought there's got to be some connection with nazi views, with guns, with weapons, with violence. >> stahl: hate speech. >> soccio: hate speech, sure. >> stahl: that was just about everyone's assumption. so we set out to discover why jeff hall became a nazi three years ago. >> patterson: i think the biggest factor that contributed was the economy. when the housing market just fell apart in california, he had no work. he hadn't worked for three years. >> stahl: he was in construction? >> patterson: he was in construction.
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>> stahl: and that side of the economy just completely dried up? >> patterson: completely dried up. and he tried and tried and tried to get work. it's just scary. poverty is a really scary thing. >> stahl: jeff lived in the "inland empire," a vast stretch of california desert east of l.a. it was among the worst hit when the real estate market crashed, ranking fifth in foreclosures nationwide. entire communities became ghost towns. unemployment reached 15%. jeff was poor and angry, with time on his hands, when he came upon jeff schoep, commander of the national socialist movement. >> jeff schoep: you have illegal aliens coming over the border, streaming over in hordes, taking american jobs. >> stahl: neo-nazis focus their tirades lately on immigrants and the so-called "browning of america," where places like california no longer have a white majority. >> schoep: we're a white civil rights organization. >> stahl: what does that mean?
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>> schoep: basically, what jesse jackson and al sharpton do for the black people is what we do for white people. >> stahl: well, not exactly. i read to commander jeff schoep this from the nsm's web site: "all non-whites should leave this nation peacefully or by force." >> schoep: our ideal america would be an america that's all- white. that doesn't mean... >> stahl: yeah. and everybody else has to leave, "peacefully or by force." wow. >> schoep: our goal is a white homeland. >> stahl: i mean, the president's not white; our attorney general's not white. so they should leave. what about jews? >> schoep: they're also a race of people. >> stahl: so they should leave? >> schoep: correct. >> stahl: he knows that won't happen anytime soon, but he's preparing. ten white supremacists of various groups were on the ballot in 2010, including three for congress. one candidate seeking local office was jeff hall.
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>> schoep: jeff hall ran for elections in california and took in almost 30% of the vote as an open national socialist. ( applause ) >> jeff hall: it was a good run, it was a great run. >> stahl: beside that unsuccessful run for local water board, jeff organized patrols at the mexican border, just a short drive from his home. they would show up fully armed, with night-vision equipment, and round up migrants as they crossed into the u.s. two weeks before his death, jeff bragged about taking his young son with him on patrol. >> jeff hall: my son was able to operate a gen-1 night vision and the infrared scope. at the age of nine, my son's out at the border. >> zeig heil! zeig heil! zeig heil! >> stahl: so, was being exposed to all that hate and talk of violence the reason joseph murdered his dad? >> jeff hall: you got to get your glocks cocked and get ready to rock and roll at the border. that's how we do it. >> stahl: the more we looked, the more we realized it wasn't
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that cut and dry. >> megan hall: there might have been some things that we didn't know about jeff, that we didn't... we wouldn't have liked. >> stahl: megan hall, jeff's sister, says she hated her brother's politics, but had always seen him as a model father. >> megan hall: he was an amazing father and would do anything for his kids. and, you know, my nephew would just look at him like he was his hero. >> stahl: but in the last couple of years, the hero changed, darkened. whether it was the power of being a nazi leader, or the powerlessness of being unemployed, he drank more, she says, and was prone to striking out at his son and his wife, krista. >> megan hall: my brother had shown a different side to him. not all of the time-- it was on random occasions, not predictable. >> stahl: he was beating up both joe and krista is what we heard. is that what you've been told? >> megan hall: yeah.
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>> stahl: young joseph told police that he decided to kill his dad to "end the son versus father thing." did he describe what the abuse entailed? >> rowe: he described his father hitting him, kicking him, pushing him. >> soccio: he found himself in a situation, or believed he was in a situation, that required some type of desperate act. what's unusual about joseph hall is that his solution to it was to kill. most children don't think about, "what i'll need to do here is kill my father." >> stahl: as the police began to dig, they discovered that little joseph was a volatile and violent child, who had been kicked out of several schools for attacking students and staff, once nearly choking a teacher with a phone cord. >> patterson: my grandson was who he was from the time he was born. >> stahl: what do you mean? >> patterson: he has absolutely no understanding of cause and effect. >> stahl: it is so rare that a ten-year-old would kill a father.
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>> patterson: well, but... you know, i wasn't surprised by it. i just somehow felt it could always happen. but i thought it would be when he was older. >> stahl: would this have happened if jeff had not become a nazi? >> patterson: i think so. probably later. joe was still joe, and they weren't having a lot of luck figuring out exactly what his problems were or how to deal successfully with them. >> stahl: little joseph also had a history of starting fires. does he raise the question of whether a killer can be preprogrammed? >> soccio: i think he had everything physically in place that it didn't take much to bring him right along to thinking that murder's appropriate. >> stahl: so he was born the
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match, and that environment and that home lit the match. is that a fair way to say it? >> soccio: i think it's a very fair way to say it. >> stahl: jeff's mother got custody of his four little girls, because his wife pled guilty to leaving a loaded gun in the house. and every week, joann visits her son's young killer in juvenile hall. >> patterson: it's a struggle every minute of my life. because my son was murdered and i want justice for him... >> stahl: yeah. >> patterson: ...but only at the ex... that only happens at the expense of my grandson. >> stahl: what about politics with these children? do you feel any obligation to teach them about nazis? >> patterson: they're being raised conservative republican. we need more of those in california. ( laughs ) >> stahl: but what about nazism? >> patterson: it's gone for this family. >> stahl: joseph still awaits trial, incarcerated at the county's juvenile hall, where he
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celebrated his 11th birthday. whatever his sentence, he will likely be released by the age of 25. here at the memorial tournament presented by nationwide insurance, tiger woods won for the fifth time with a final round 67 to tie jack nikolas on the all time vict contemporaneous list with 73. today at the open, he advanced to the quarters while the number one victoria was upset. for more sports news and information go to cbs sports.com. this is jim nance reporting from dublin, use ohio. ,,,,,,,,
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recognizable, and the highest paid actress in hollywood. she is certainly the number one target for paparazzi everywhere. and that's how many americans know her-- from the tabloids as wild, weird and eccentric. but the angelina we met was quite different from all that. we met her before she announced she was getting married to brad pitt, and she was totally focused on her first film as a director, a film about a very serious topic. she doesn't appear in it, and as we first told you last fall, angelina said she was happy and comfortable moving behind the camera. we linked up with her in the indisputably beautiful city of budapest, which is where she shot most of her film, "in the land of blood and honey." >> angelina jolie: we came here to budapest for logistics and for financial reasons, because we're a tiny movie. >> simon: it may be a tiny movie but look at it, it's about a heavy subject-- the war in bosnia, which was fought in the early '90s, killed at least
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100,000 people, and brought ethnic cleansing to europe for the first time since hitler. what did your friends and colleagues say when you said, "hey, i'm going to direct a film about the war in bosnia." >> jolie: i think people that really know me weren't surprised. but i think they all thought it was a bit crazy. i think everybody still thinks it's a bit, you know... it's not... i still think it's crazy. >> simon: you could have done a light comedy or an action flick. >> jolie: i think i'd be terrible with a comedy. ( laughs ) >> simon: there's certainly no humor in this movie about a muslim woman named ajla who starts to fall in love with a serb named danijel. after the war breaks out, bosnians are rounded up and locked up by the serbs, and danijel, a serb captain, becomes ajla's jailer. it's a gorgeous building. >> jolie: it is a gorgeous building. is this... there are gorgeous... >> simon: you made horrible things happen inside here. >> jolie: and beautiful things. >> simon: angelina shot the jail scenes in this budapest museum, and she relied heavily on her actors. they all come from the former yugoslavia.
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she let them rewrite scenes, and they speak their native language in the film, which will be released with english subtitles. angelina said she wanted to make the film as realistic as possible. >> jolie: we all spoke about every speech, every scene and made sure that it was right and true. so everybody helped to educate me, and we all adjusted the script together. >> can you see? >> uh-huh. >> simon: while we were there, angelina gave the cast a sneak preview of the film's trailer. >> zana marjanovic: wow. >> simon: and they thought it reflected the reality of their war. goran kostic and zana marjanovic play the two lovers. >> marjanovic: people i know, and my friends and their families never thought in their life that everything they had could be taken away from them. >> goran kostic: it goes to the core of who i am and where i am and what we are, i suppose. it's very personal.
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>> simon: others might find the plot implausible, an affair between a muslim prisoner and the serb commandant of the prison where women are getting raped every day. some bosnian women who'd been through that found the film objectionable. the bosnian government temporarily withdrew angelina's permit to shoot there. you walked into a minefield, and when you were writing the script, did you realize that every step you took, there was a mine in your way? >> jolie: i didn't know it was going to be as... as sensitive. everything... everything was something to be very careful about and sensitive. >> simon: but angelina says, "remember, it's a movie, a love story, not a documentary." there's a lot of heart, there's also a lot of brutality. >> jolie: there's a lot of brutality. >> simon: a lot more than there ever was in a film that you acted in. >> jolie: yeah, that's true. >> simon: she's acted in more than 30 films, and her first ones, like "gia," about a drug- addicted fashion model, felt
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edgy and real. angelina, whose actor parents broke up before she was one, experimented with drugs and a few other things early in her life. she says she used those experiences to get into her roles. >> jolie: it's good to be home. >> simon: she won an oscar for her chilling portrait of a schizophrenic in "girl, interrupted." >> jolie: hmm. >> simon: later, she switched gears as lara croft, a character from a video game in "tomb raider"... ...and played a spy, mrs. smith, to brad pitt's mr. smith. ( gunfire ) >> simon: you were once asked if you wanted to play a bond girl and you said, nope, you wanted to play bond. well, you didn't play bond, but you played a bond-like character in "salt." is that one of your ambitions, to punch through these gender stereotypes? >> jolie: it's not something i
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intentionally did, but when it comes my way, it's... and i'm aware of it, it was really fun to do, especially because i just had kids. i just had my twins, and i'd been in a nightgown for about seven months. and i felt like... i felt like getting up and punching something. >> simon: her favorite movie was not an action flick but a tragedy based on a true story. in "a mighty heart," angelina plays marianne pearl, the widow of daniel pearl, the "wall street journal" reporter who was beheaded by terrorists in pakistan. ( screaming ) that was a moment i'll never forget. >> jolie: that was the hardest thing, yeah. as an actress, that was the hardest thing. >> simon: many of her films earned her more money than praise. critics have often been tough. but some directors rave about her. clint eastwood said she's a great talent hampered only by the fact that she has "the most gorgeous face on the planet." that face has sold a lot of handbags and magazines, but
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early on, angelina jolie flirted with a very different career. you wanted to be a funeral director. >> jolie: uh-huh, i did. >> simon: and you even took courses to prepare yourself. >> jolie: mm-hmm. it sounds like this very strange, eccentric, dark thing to do. but, in fact, i lost my grandfather, and i was very upset with his funeral. and so, we discussed that maybe there are ways where this whole idea of how somebody passes and how a family deals with this passing and what death is should be addressed in a different way. if this acting thing didn't work out, that that was going to be my backup. >> simon: she can joke about it now, but there were other times-- scary and dangerous times-- that she told us were not funny at all. >> jolie: i went through heavy, darker times, and i survived them. i didn't die young. i'm very lucky. there are other artists and people that didn't survive certain things. >> simon: you talk about heavy, darker times. what are you referring to?
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>> jolie: i was hoping you'd miss that. nothing i want to go into a lot of detail about. but i think people can imagine that i did the most dangerous, and i did the worst, and i... for many reasons, i shouldn't be here. >> simon: that's a very provocative phrase, "for many reasons..." >> jolie: well, sure, you just... >> simon: "...you shouldn't be here." >> jolie: ...you just think that... those too many times where you came close to too many dangerous things, too many chances taken too... too far. >> simon: her odd behavior was out there for everyone to see-- the intimate way she kissed her brother in public, the vials of blood she and her second husband, billy bob thornton, wore around their necks. angelina acknowledges she's taken quite a walk on the wild side, but says she's moved on. >> jolie: i'm angie. >> simon: in recent years, she has been traveling the world as a goodwill ambassador for the u.n. she's visited more than 20 countries, primarily to work with refugees. you used to be a pretty bad girl. now, you are a u.n. ambassador.
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you are a member of the council on foreign relations. >> jolie: uh-huh. >> simon: you're a humanitarian activist. do you ever miss being a bad girl? >> jolie: i'm still a bad girl. >> simon: yeah? >> jolie: ( laughs ) you know, i still have that side of me that is... it's just... it's in its place now. it belongs... it... you know, it belongs to brad, or it belongs to our adventures. >> simon: angelina and brad pitt have had three children together. she also adopted three from three different countries-- cambodia, ethiopia and vietnam. for years, before they finally got engaged, the tabloids had the couple splitting up one week, reconciling the next. the vast majority of americans know you because you're on the cover of magazines every week, and every time they go to a supermarket, they see you. what are they missing? >> jolie: me. i don't see those things, and i don't know what they are, but i assume... >> simon: sure you do, you know what they are. >> jolie: ...i assume they're
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not me. i assume they're not me. they're... they're not who i am, they're not what i spend my day caring about. i find them quite shallow and often very wrong when i do hear about what they are. >> simon: but they make it impossible for her to do anything in public. even in budapest, we could only lunch with her in the private room of a restaurant. when you're angelina jolie, though, there's no such thing as private. take her tortured relationship with her father, the actor jon voight. he actually went on television and said his daughter had serious mental problems. that even shocked hollywood. for years, angelina refused to talk to her father. after her mother died, she started seeing him again. but she gives her mother, marcheline bertrand, all the credit for where she is today. your mother is a beautiful woman. >> jolie: yeah, she is. >> simon: you're pretty chubby as a kid. >> jolie: i was all cheeks, yeah. >> simon: big lips. >> jolie: big lips. ( laughs ) >> simon: angelina also says it was her mom who taught her how to raise her own kids.
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at the house angelina was renting in budapest, we weren't allowed to film her children, unless you call jacques one of her kids. he seemed to love the camera almost as much as the camera loves angelina. >> jolie: he likes you. >> simon: you're here because brad is shooting a film here? >> jolie: uh-huh. >> simon: you're not shooting a film? >> jolie: no, we never work at the same time. >> simon: what's better, when brad is working and you're with the kids... >> jolie: yes. >> simon: ...or when you're working and brad is with the kids? >> jolie: when i'm home with the kids. >> simon: bet a lot of full-time parents would love to be shooting movies. >> jolie: yes, they would because it's easier. ( laughs ) my mother was... was a full-time mother. she didn't have much of her... her own career, her own life, her own experiences, her own... you know, everything was for her children. >> simon: and do you try to be the same kind of mom that she was? >> jolie: i will never be as good a mother as she was. i will try my best, but i don't think i could ever be. she was... she was just grace incarnate. she was the most generous, loving... she's better than me.
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( laughs ) >> simon: it's clear that you can talk about anything but your mother without... without welling up. >> jolie: yeah. that's my... that's my soft spot. yeah. yeah. yeah. >> simon: angelina's biggest regret is that her mother wouldn't see "in the land of blood and honey," a film angelina knew wouldn't have the commercial appeal of anything else she's done. >> jolie: i am nervous that people are going to not understand it. >> simon: right now, if you had to decide that, in six months, you are going to either act in a film or direct a film, what would you do? >> jolie: i'd prefer directing. >> simon: yeah? >> jolie: yeah. i loved having the spotlight on somebody else, and i would much prefer it. >> simon: angelina's already writing and planning to direct another war film, about afghanistan, and she knows, as a director, her beauty and her acting skills won't be worth a nickel. >> jolie: it's nice.
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it's nice for all of that not to matter. >> simon: it's also risky. >> jolie: is it? i mean, i think what's risky is living your life and... and never trying for anything and never doing something brave and never getting yourself scared and... >> simon: are you scared? >> jolie: in a good way. >> go to 60minutesovertime.com for a conversation with angelina jolie about her famous face. the new taurus is going to blow people away...
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