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he was crying over the coffin. kissed the coffin, he said, "i'msorry." >> i said, "oh my god, he did it.
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tonight, you will. did nicole brown simpson actually predict her own death? to us was oj is gonna kill me and he's gonna get away with it. >> reporter: what really went ony room? >> not guilty of a crime of murder. >> all people wanted to do was go home. and, in a frank, new interview, a clark answers the most important question of all. >> reporter: how did you not convict this guy?ll also hear from oj simpson himself who told his story under oath in these explosive deposition tapes.as black and blue the next day or two days later i was responsible for it. at oj simpson's old house. >> obviously there is a lot of attention to this. case, two decades later.
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dateline. here's josh mankiewicz. reporter: june 12, 1994, brentwood, california. two horrific murders that came to be defined by just three >> o.j., please surrender immediately. >> orenthal james simpson. >> i have o.j. in the car. >> we do have sufficient >> 100% not guilty. >> how about that? fit you, you must acquit. >> not guilty of the crime of murder. >> reporter: it was the story that wouldn't go away. if you l we mean the united states, you
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a nation made room in its iousness for this collision of pop culture and legal drama. more than 20 years ago, it touched issues we still can't agree on today -- race, money, privilege, fame, interracial ic violence. >> get out of the way! >> reporter: this became st reality show. the case consumed us, and then divided us. even now, two decades later, we are still fascinated. >> what do you want me to do, o.j.? >> i should die. >> no.en-part dramatic series airing on fx, "the people ing ratings and reviews. because there are still questions about what really happened that night in
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pson was acquitted..j.! >> reporter: tonight we'll provide some answers with interviews done over the years, rare footage and haunting memories. including a recent in-depth and erview with prosecutor marcia clark who doesn't hold back when discussing her unique perspective on the case on everything from the infamous co chase -- >> i'm thinking he was like the biggest idiot ever. >> -- to the trial of the century. >> every day, we'd walk mething else was blowing up. >> not guilty of the crime of murder. >> reporter: and of course the verdict. blame yourself for this? >> you know, i always do. i do. >> reporter: it was a cool, laten brentwood. around midnight a couple was walking a dog down a quiet section of south bundy drive when something strange caught
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condominium numbered 875, they saw it. a body in a river of blood. police arrived and discovered a second victim. investigators would soon follow,n homicide detective tom lange. >> this isn't a robbery. this isn't for sex. this was a rage killing.le was nearly decapitated. >> reporter: nicole was 35-year old nicole brown simpson, the mpson. near the bodies was a bloody leathe a pair of eyeglasses and a blue knit cap. cops later id'd the male victim as 25-year-old ronald goldman. at this point they didn't know >> there's numerous wounds on the neck. goldman put up a fight. he house were the simpsons' two children, sydney and justin, who
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they were taken to a nearby police station.of kin to take care of these kids. we need to find oj simpson.dawn broke in brentwood, lange and three other detectives were sent to simpson's estate on nearby rockingham avenue.detective mark fuhrman. arriving detectives feared the worst: that simpson may have suffered the same fate as his >> we've just left a bloody crime scene. is simpson in there as one of the victims?r: so without a search warrant, detective fuhrman jumped the wall and let in the other cops. in one of the estate's bungalows simpson's 25-year-old daughter arnelle. they learned that her father was out of town on a business trip in chicago.er bungalow detectives
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man named brian "kato" kaelin.living at simpson's house for five months. he had come to la to be an actor, and now he was about to star in the role of his life, answering questions about where seen simpson. >> i had seen him earlier in the day, and he was talkin' about women problems. he needed someone to talk to, and i was the only guy probably available. normally the relationship you had with him? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: later that evening, kaelin said, simpson came by his door to get change for a $100 bill and also mentioned mething to eat. so just after 9:00 pm they hopped in simpson's bentley and went to mcdonalds.kaelin to go with him to establish an alibi? >> i invited myself. he didn't ask me. and i thought, "oh." i was starving. told detectives they got back around 9:40pm. he returned to his bungalow and
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then around 10:45 pm kaelin says he heard three strange sounds. >> it was a loud -- it was a banging noise. bumped into a wall. >> reporter: kaelin came outside to check on the noise and saw limo driver allan park at the gate waiting to take simpson to the airport.ter, simpson came out of the house. his luggage was loaded and the limo sped off.tory seemed to add up, so now it was simpson the cops really wanted to talk to. he was at his hotel in chicago when detectives told him what >> there were no details given except nicole was dead. he said, "well, i'll be on the next plane back there." came another phone call, the one tom lange dreaded, notifying nicole's family. >> i hear that phonecream from my mom's room. that i had never heard before. and it was just awful, awful,
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nicole's older sister, remembers rushing to her mother's room. >> she says, "your sister is dead." and i said, "oh my god, he did it.illed her." >> reporter: "he" being oj simpson, denise's former brother-in-law. detective lange was stunned at lead. >> that was my first inkling that perhaps simpson was involved in this. >> reporter: nicole's family, in an instant, continued the grim task, and called her best friend kris jenner. >> i was like what? nicole died? i was like, it was devastating. i think i almost passed out.worst feeling you could possibly imagine. >> reporter: kris had known nicole since 1978. they met through her former husband robert kardashian, who
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attorney. kris adored simpson too, she said, like a big brother. >> he was very charming, a lotta fun to be around. you could tell he was the type of person who really enjoyed life.r: kris and nicole had become fast friends and the two couples were like family. now, all of that was suddenly gone.e's life changed. nicole died, and nothing would ever be the same. >> reporter: the world had r kris jenner, for the brown and goldman families, and for oj simpson who would soon be back home in la
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>> reporter: in 1994, the city of angels was about to get an education.most of us had never heard the name "kardashian." today's powerful bond between from oj simpson there car. >> reporter: someone the nation knew, trusted, and liked. >> "go oj go." >> reporter: from his naked gun movies. >> reporter: to his nfl broadcasts. >> reporter: as his colleague bob costas remembers -- >> he was always the well
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person as you could ever want to encounter. on day two of this story, much of that history was in the process of being rewritten. the brentwood crime scene was now crawling with cops lookingllecting evidence. blood was everywhere, and leading from it, a trail of bloody shoe prints.was a bloody left-handed glove and a blue knit cap. and inside the walls of simpson's rockingham estate behind kato kaelin's bungalow and discovered a moist, bloody glove, similar to the one at the crime scene.ook at the glove and it looks like the same type. >> reporter: and it was a right-handed glove? >> yeah. the same everything. >> reporter: detectives also rops on simpson's driveway leading from the street.
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was to come. it's a celebrity case. at midnight last night, a passerby observed the body, a fe white body. >> reporter: by now the news media had the first sketchy reports. deputy district attorney marcia with the special trials unit. she was consulted about getting a search warrant for rockingham artner, detective phil vannatter who already considered simpson a suspect. >> he goes, "you know who it is? "o.j. simpson." who's that? oh, wait. oh yeah, "naked gun.", right?" >> reporter: you're not a big football fan? >> no, wasn't a big football fan. but i know who he is now. some 13 hours after the murders, simpson returned to la from chicago, a journey that took him from household name to you never thought of him as a killer? >> no, no, no.
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and had a great personality.ow, being o.j. simpson. bad enough that simpson might be involved in the murder of her now kris was further conflicted because her former husband, robert kardashian, was simpson'sl attorney. kardashian was also at rockingham and was caught on camera carrying what appeared to be simpson's garment bag. about what might have been in that bag. could you conceive of him loving his friend so much that he wouldpose of evidence? >> absolutely not.150% that he had this character and integrity and christian values and believed in >> o.j., what can you say about this?
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>> don't know anything? >> reporter: detectives now wanted to bring in simpson for attorney, howard weitzman, said his client would fully cooperate. >> he's shocked, he had nothing to do with this tragedy.er arriving at police headquarters, simpson's lawyers met privately with him and then went to lunch. leaving their client alone with cide detectives phil vannatter and tom lange. >> i was flabbergasted. unless he just thinks he's glib y anything he wants and he's gonna get around us. >> reporter: detectives and o.j. simpson now settled into a sm critical interview that could make or break the case. it would be the first and last time simpson would tell his olice. coming up --
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eporter: parker center. in 1994, police headquarters in downtown l.a. it has seen scores of high profile murder investigations errogations, but on that june afternoon, >> very narcissistic, self-assured. at all times. >> reporter: cops were drawn to a cut on simpson's left middle finger, and this is where simpson's answers started becoming more vague.
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your hand? know. not the first time, when i was in chicago and all, but at the house i was just running around. >> how did you do it in chicago?ss. one of you guys had just called me, and i was in the bathroom, and i just kind of went bonkers for a little bit. >> is that how you cut it? i think i just opened it again, i'm not sure. his house. now simpson offered a few new details to help explain it. >> so do you recall bleeding at all? >> yeah, i mean, i knew i was bleeding, but it was no big deal.time. i play golf and stuff, so there's always something, nicks and stuff here and there. >> we don't know what direction this is gonna take us. but there's enough that, "i want your blood. i want to document that finger.r fingerprints." >> reporter: by now, simpson appeared to be sensing trouble and attempted to straighten out >> i know i'm the number one target, and now you tell me i've got blood all over the place.
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there? >> if it's dripped, it's what i dripped running around trying to leave.n after just 32 minutes, detectives wrapped up their interview and whisked simpson to a lab where he was ger photographed and most importantly, his blood drawn. >> if this guy is our suspect, convict him. at the core of this case is blood, blood everywhere. that we want in his body. >> mr. simpson are you a suspect? now, simpson was allowed to leave. >> anything you can tell us? >> reporter: that may have been a measure of his celebrity, or that police had suspicions they dn't yet back up. but back at simpson's estate more evidence was turning up, including a pair of bloody socksloor. and at the crime scene itself, more blood drops were swabbed
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alley, suggesting the killer wass he fled. >> w have now videotape showing the bodies of simpson's ex-wife and an unidentified man as they oved from a walkway in front of her west side condominium. >> reporter: monitoring all of this from her office at the criminal courts building was deputy d.a.d not yet been officially assigned the case. >> did you campaign to be put on this case? >> at that time, it was just another big case. did in special trials. we handled high profile murder cases. that was it. it's a good case, so of course, did i want it for fame and fortune? hell, no! >> reporter: all that day n following the news reports about those murders in brentwood. he had no idea how much or in fe was about to change. because when fred got home, he and his wife received a phone coroner's office. >> and this individual said to
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today that nicole brown was "well, your -- your son was the other person." that's how we found out. over the phone. and the two of us stood there >> reporter: through his shock, fred knew he had to tell his daughter kim, who sensed something was wrong the minute she heard his voice on the phone.nd he said, "did you -- did you hear the news at all today?" and i said, "no, what's going on, dad?" and then he just said that -- that --ied and -- that ron was killed. i don't really remember too much after that.reaming and he told me to get home. >> reporter: ron goldman was just 25. handsome, athletic, popular. >> i love you very much and i'll see you soon. >> reporter: this rare footage
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murder. >> go ron, go ron, go ron! >> reporter: the goldmans didn'tuld be their last big celebration as a family. in june of 1994, ron had been restaurant, where nicole and her family had dined the night of the murder.mother left her eyeglasses there, it was ron who later brought them to nicole's condo. and the lives of two families tied together forever in grief. >> i believe he walked into a crime in process. and he had a chance to walk away but he didn't. so he died trying to do the nd that's painful. >> reporter: as night descended on brentwood, o.j. simpson was back at his estate. anted to have a little chat to discuss
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meal.n, kaelin tells dateline, that had simpson suggesting a cover-up. >> he had tried to tell me, "you . you know i was in the kitchen at this time." he was trying to convince me about what i believe now is an >> he was trying to get you to agree that you had spent more time with him that last evening than you actually had? >> yeah, i think it was in the he was with me. i said, "no you weren't."arted going, "he's trying to make me say something that's not true." >> reporter: kato kaelin was seeing another side of different from the affable, glad handing celebrity image that simpson had so carefully cultivated and protected. but simpson also had a dark and violent side.icole fearing for her life just weeks before her
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eporter: the funeral was just a mile from the crime scene. this was a gathering of nicole's cluding the man police already suspected her ex-husband. >> that was a really tough day. >> reporter: how did simpson react at the funeral?ng over the coffin, kissed the coffin. he said, "i'm sorry, nic, i'm sorry." >> reporter: close friend ner remembers when nicole met simpson. she was just 18. he was 29. >> they were just really happy together. he didn't wanna live
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as crazy about him, and in 1985 they married, the same year simpson was inducted into the fame. he even mentioned his new bride during the speech.fe nicole, who came into my life at what is probably the most difficult time for an athlete, at the end of my career. years into some of the best years i've had in my life, babe.ut there would be trouble. some parts of a star athlete's life remained a lure and simpson saw other women. en that happened, it would sometimes turn violent. nicole kept all of it a secret, writing about it in her diary. >> reporter: what kinda things were in those diaries?go to the emergency room. she had been beaten so badly that she told the doctors that she fell off her bicycle. >> reporter: on new years day 1989 after an especially ugly stopped
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she called both the police and her sister denise. she says, "can you do me a favor and come over here and take pictures of me." and so i went over. >> reporter: how'd she look? >> she had her face all scratched up. she had over her. she just said, "he went crazy." >> reporter: they divorced ier they tried getting back together. >> i felt like they really loved tough for them to be together. and she just always felt like he was cheating on her. >> reporter: why would she go >> she couldn't live with him, and she couldn't live without him.e's sister denise says things got worse. simpson stalked her.he's always there. he's always around. he won't leave me alone." >> 911 emergency. >> yeah, can you send someone to my house?t months before her murder, nicole was on the phone to 9-11, sounding at first more exasperated than frightened.
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house and he's ranting and raving. >> has he been drinking or anything? >> no, but he's crazy.hung up, but called back 10 minutes later as things apparently escalated.cy? >> could you get someone over here now? he is back, please? dispatcher: ok. what does he look like?. i think you know his record. could you just send somebody over here? >> ok, what is he doing there? >> he just drove up ag on the line. >> i don't want to stay on the [ bleep ] out of me. >> wait a minute. filed against simpson. his all-american public image remained intact. but privately, the last several months of nicole's life with s of break-ups and make-ups, says in april 1994 came one last reconciliation.
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but things didn't work out. with her mind made up. and there was something different within nicole that time. >> reporter: but simpson apparently wasn't ready to let go.nner, he was devastated at being dumped and retaliated by threatening nicole. just weeks before her death, vealed something shocking. really bad between o.j. and i, and he's going to kill me and he's going " >> and soon after, kris jenner was attending her best friend's funeral. and as the funeral was winding down, things were busy at the where preliminary results comparing simpson's blood to the samples collected at the crime scene were now in. matched. the bloody trail at bundy,
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bronco all came back to simpson. >> we wanted to go out and get him and bring him in and book him like we would anybody else. >> reporter: instead, a deal was struck with simpson's recently fense attorney robert shapiro to avoid all the media, simpson would discreetly turn himself in at the jail in back of parker center.e deadline was friday june 17, 1994, 11:00 a.m. sharp. but o.j. simpson never showed. as the nation was about to learn, he had simply coming up: o.j. simpson could run, but he couldn't hide. >> "this is a.c. i have o.j. in the car." marcia clark gets a preview of things to come.wo innocent people, slaughtered them. and you're cheering his escape?
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>> reporter: friday june 17, 1994 would become a truly unforgettable day in los angelesorld. that morning, simpson was
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police headquarters. but then he just suddenly vanished. >> o.j., wherever you are, for the sake of your family, for the sake of your children, please surrender immediately.impson did leave behind what many felt was a suicide note. a note that his friend, robert kardashian, read on live tv.derstand, i had nothing to do with nicole's murder. i loved her.el sorry for me. i've had a great life. >> reporter: and no one seemed simpson was. >> the los angeles police department right now is actively >> o.j. simpson is not at this location.
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here.ts attention to a suspect wanted for a double 187 in west l.a. division. suspect named orenthal james simpson. >> reporter: then around ., some seven hours after he was supposed to have turned himself in, a white ford bronco was spotted with simpson in the backseat and his close t the wheel. >> yeah, uhm i think i just saw o.j. simpson on the, uh, the 5 freeway.te the orange county sheriffs were on him. >> in the number one lane at 40 miles per hour. >> reporter: what followed was ahase. which, by the way, involved al cowlings bronco, not simpson's. >> this is a.c.ar. >> okay, where are you? >> please, i'm coming up the 5 freeway. >> okay. but you gotta tell the police to just back off. he's still alive, but he's got a >> reporter: 95 million
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what was suddenly the best show on tv. >> here is tom brokaw. live pictures of interstate 5 in los angeles. >> reporter: until that moment, ad settled in to knicks and the rockets. now they would watch a split chase. bob costas was hosting the pregame and halftime shows for nbc.l of a sudden, this greek tragedy becomes part of the mix, and it's going on concurrently.er two lane. 25 miles per hour. >> this is a drama without a script. >> the suspect is possibly armed and use caution.al gun. it was loaded. he could've used it. and you can't take a chance with someone, certainly, who had beender. >> there are pedestrians all over the roadway, 10-4. >> reporter: detective tom lange
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and amazingly was able to reach him.ateline" has obtained the actual recording of that conversation, which was not released at the time. >> you there? >> just let me get to my house. >> okay, we're going to do that.ll give you what ev -- i'll give you me. i'll give you my whole body. >> reporter: lange used every olice and pop psychology he knew to keep simpson's hand on the phone and off the trigger. y, though. you're scaring everybody. >> ahhh. just tell them i'm all sorry, you can tell them later on today and tomorrow that i was sorry and that i -- i'm sorry that i did this to the police department. should tell them yourself. and i don't want to have to tell your kids that. your kids need you. my kids. >> reporter: marcia clark, who by now had been assigned to son for nicole and ron's murders was watching all of this, furious that he was still free. >> we look like the biggest
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like flight to me. and that is consciousness of guilt in the law. >> reporter: kim goldman was watching too, and worrying simpson might not survive.we need to bring him to the court. he needs to have his day at trial. what he's running for? >> all i did was love nicole. all i did was love her. >> i understand. >> i love everybody.ybody my whole life that i love everybody. >> it was surreal. it was, you know, could this get any worse? >> 10-4 copy. taking the sunset off-ramp from the northbound 405.ybe not worse, but certainly more weird. with crowds cheering on simpson as if he was making a r the end zone. >> 10-4. copy. there are pedestrians running inuspect's vehicle. >> o.j.! >> reporter: but marcia clark, who was glued to the screen, wasn't cheering.
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of the road, cheering. and i thought, "oh my god. >> that's a little sample of what's to come? >> exactly. he has murdered two innocent them. and you're cheering his escape? and it gave me a full on view ofnst. >> reporter: finally after nearly 90 riveting minutes -- >> possibly getting close to the house there. and cowlings pulled into rockingham. >> use your own discretion. you take him down if you have to. what the hell is going to happen. you don't know if he's going to get out of the car and have a shootout with the police. i couldn't have written off the possibility that he was going to kill himself.r: for nearly an hour simpson sat in the bronco as police tried to coax him out. finally he emerged and collapsederal waiting
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it was finally over.side the bronco was a loaded .357 magnum and simpson's travel bag containing his passport, a ache. simpson was taken away, and would soon be charged with two counts of first degree murder.n is in custody. he has been transported here to parker center. >> reporter: convicting him seemed almost certain, especially given all that blood evidence.ttorney gil garcetti would soon make a crucial decision that would alter the course of this case long before it ever went to trial. coming up -- they were called the dream team. >> we're trod proceed to trial. >> but one of the team has fellow >> i call them the nightmare
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30, open field at the 25. wore number now o.j. simpson had brand-new number. and for the next 15 months a new home too.t the la county jail where he was being held without bail. simpson had visits from his family, friends and attorneys, colleague bob costas. >> i went to visit him. he tried to convince me several his innocence. "look, bob, you know me. i'm a smart guy. would i leave a glove behind? would i do something like this? this doesn't make sense, that doesn't make sense."ter: but simpson was facing a mountain of evidence. >> we work in the crime lab. >> reporter: as district attorney gil garcetti confidently told nbc news back in 1995.t i am aware of, in the history of this country, has had so much d.n.a. evidence.t for the fact this were o.j. simpson, this is what you could call in sports language a
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>> reporter: then d.a. garcetti, made a critical decision.he case here, to downtown los angeles from santa monica. downtown the jury pool would be mostly minority and thought to to a black defendant. at the time garcetti for a number of reasons, including that the santa monica courthouse which recently had sustained earthquake damage, couldn't trial. >> reporter: can you tell us anything at all at this point? >> no, i'm sorry. >> reporter: but former detective tom lange believed that tradeoff may have also involved a different calculus.iction by a predominantly black jury would head off what happened here in 1992.ter: when rioting broke out, after a mostly white jury acquitted lapd officers in the beating of rodney king.all -- can we all just get along? >> reporter: in hindsight that decision to move the trial en the first
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would influence how the case and >> the thinking was that, if you have a minority jury convicting a minority defendant, everything is cool. you're not gonna have any problems.ter: but prosecutor marcia clark says there was no choice about where to try the case. >> it was always gonna be downtown. there was no discussion about it, you know.o people who say, "oh, well, they gave up the mostly white jury pool of santa monica and -- and -- and ended up in a mostly minority jury and it was all over at that point," those people don't know what they're talkin' about? >> oh, they really don't. i mean, they might be right in terms of would we bet -- be better off with a white jury. well, yes.there's any disputing that now, right? but justice kind of demands that we try the case in front of the e have. and -- and we do our very best to convince them. >> reporter: then another critical decision.by judge lance ito
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televised. >> reporter: do you have enough simpson? >> of course we do. >> reporter: publicly marcia clark seemed highly confident in her case back then. >> the fact that the case has been filed means that we do have ct him. >> reporter: but privately, as clark told us, she sensed trouble early on.he bat, you got a big push back in the african american community. they don't like this case. they don't want to believe it. there was a sense of loyalty, ofting an african american icon who had made it. he was successful, he had made it. they did not wanna see him taken down. gh he'd done virtually nothing for the community he'd come from? >> it was surprising. virtually nothing. this was not exactly your civil rights firebrand. he was quoted famously saying, "i'm not black, >> reporter: still clark says she was convinced a strong case could be built primarily on the blood and dna evidence. >> there was a trail of evidence, literally, from bundy that led all the way into his kingham. and that included the blood, the hairs, the fibers. it was a huge amount of
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the question was, would it be enough to overcome the ue of race? >> how do you plead to counts one and two? >> absolutely 100% not guilty.uld soon become front and center in the case, thanks to a new attorney simpson added to his team just arraigned. his name, johnnie l. cochran jr.oceed to trial. we want to see justice for o.j. simpson. and we believe he'll be acquitted. >> reporter: cochran had been a thorn in the lapd's side for years, running a lucrative ce misconduct cases. from the outset his strategy was simple. of case where you attack the police and their credibility. >> at that time, the only way to describe the situation between the black community and lapd waswarfare. >> reporter: connie rice is a
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in los angeles. >> the black community pd as a hostile occupation force that viewed the black community with racist contempt. >> reporter: so it was the perfect time for that defense to be read.perfect time for that defense to be raised, that this is a black man being persecuted.o be let go. >> reporter: but o.j. simpson? for years he had lived on la's mostly white west-side. he spent much of his time dating white women, and seemed to have little to do with la's black community. >> reporter: i'm not sure he knew how to get to south l.a. >> that's right. to identify with the black community. what the black community understood was that you're being targeted. you're back with us. >> reporter: cochran knew that. and helping him were several other legal superstars like f. lee bailey, dna expert
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professor alan dershowitz. they were known as the "dream team," but dershowitz had his >> i call 'em the nightmare team. it was a terrible, terrible group. we didn't get along. there was a tremendous amount ofind the scenes. >> reporter: but somehow they managed to come together and pick a jury, as simpson attorneyevealed to "dateline". >> we had done focus groups pre-trial and it said clearly n women would be our best jurors. they would know black men are treated by police. >> reporter: in the end the panel that was picked included eight black women.re so pleased because this was a jury that johnny could speak to and had spoken to for his entire career.erhaps the most thrilled of all was simpson
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>> o.j. looked back on that jury whiz, guys, if this jury convicts me, maybe i did do it."ter: coming up: was o.j. simpson getting rid of something at the airport the night of the murders? >> he was pulling things out and putting 'em in the trash can. >> reporter: and kato kaelin in le of his life. >> i don't think we're going for continues. savin' you five hundred i'm savin' you five hundred we hah. that's a hit! all: yeah! these are my dogs dusty and co twenty-four seven.
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by millions. here again is josh mankiewicz. >> reporter: day 1 of what the was being called the trial of the century. it's no exaggeration to say it felt as if the whole world was watching. >> we're very ready. we've been ready for a long time.just six months after the murders of nicole brown and ron goldman. o.j. simpson was facing the possibility of life in prison if convicted.des would finally square off. a team of tough but largely osecutors, armed with a seemingly airtight na evidence. pitted against some of the most famous defense lawyers in the land, whose plan was simple. put the police and their on trial. presiding over all of this would be judge lance ito. a former prosecutor who had been on the bench for six years.ou see here
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the defendant. >> reporter: the heart of the prosecution's case was all that ood and dna evidence which pointed squarely at o.j. simpson. but first, prosecutors detailed simpson and nicole's troubled, sometimes violent relationship, her murder. >> and in that final and terrible act, ronald goldman, anwas viciously and senselessly murdered. >> reporter: later denise brown ling account of how simpson brutalized her of her. >> picked her up, threw her against the wall. picked her up and threw her out of the house.tough to go in there and recount what you had seen? >> yeah, it was. i had just lost my sister.ng was just right there. i mean, just so fresh. >> reporter: prosecutors also focused on the timeline of the
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alone and unaccounted for at least an hour. enough time to kill ron and nicole.aelin. >> reporter: kato kaelin took the stand to testify about that night he was with simpson. but first came one of those "kato moments."nk your friendship especially living on his property might send acting roles your way? >> i didn't think that.going for the same parts. i was just being me.e spotlight. it was just me. how i am. >> reporter: whose side was kato kaelin on? >> oh, that's a great question.asn't on ours. he was on kato's side, that would be my opinion. from the very start, he was veryinformation. >> reporter: and you didn't think he had anything to do with it? >> no. what he was doing was sticking his finger in the air, seeing as blowing and saying, "you know what? simpson's not going to get
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the one who was standing by his care of me." >> reporter: kaelin told us he cooperated fully, and answered everything clark asked.detail a critical sequence of events before and after the murders from the trip he and simpson to those three strange sounds he heard at 10:45 pm. sounds investigators believed n returning home after killing ron and nicole. >> can you demonstrate for us how loud it was? >> somewhat, yes. yeah, go ahead. >> and where did that noise seem to be coming from? of the wall. >> reporter: kato kaelin had come to hollywood looking for fame. what he found was something moreting and ultimately upsetting. >> it was probably the scariest n my entire life.
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done in your life became out to the public. >> reporter: it's not what you wanted, i'm sure. >> i would never think in a his was going to be my life. >> reporter: kato kaelin wasn't alone. another person's life had j. simpson that night, but this man was eager to testify. at the l.a. airport the night of the murders to pick up his wife who worked for american airlines. it was 11:30 pm, just an hour after ron and nicole had been >> a limousine pulled up and o.j. simpson got out of the limousine. >> reporter: junis says he had a clear view of simpson. but simpson, he says, never saw him.carrying this little, cheap gym bag. he only zipped it a few inches. just enough to get his hand in, g things out and dumping them in the trash can. >> reporter: back then junis
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little black bag and then hustle inside. by the time police learned what he'd seen, it was too late for ough the trash. but junis did draw a picture of the bag for detectives. you think he was disposing of the evidence then?urse i do. that witness has evidence. i have no reason to discount him or anything else, he has an entirely credible story.ible that to testify. but like a lot of the prosecution's case, things wouldn't go quite according to plan. and the defense was just getting >> reporter: coming up, if it doesn't fit -- >> it was a stunning time, one n in annals of history i suggest. >> i did not want him to try on
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pop culture.oducts. pundits. and a whole new class of tv shows that yammered about everything that happened that ourt. >> hi, everyone, i'm geraldo rivera. o.j. simpson's face is, quote, "the face of a batterer, a wife beater, an abuser, a controller. the face of ron and nicole's murderer."f the audience loved it, 12 jurors didn't see it, because they were sequestered, confined to this high-rise hotel a few blocks house. lon cryer was one of the jurors who actually decided the case.more than eight months, their lives were limited to a court room and a hotel room.no tv, no phone, no radios, no nothing. >> reporter: isolated. bored. often lonely. there was nothing glamorous
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of the century.'ll be very happy with the entertainment that we weekend. >> reporter: there were occasional off-day outings around town. and there was one business trip,ken on a tour of the crime scene and simpson's rockingham estate.urors didn't know was that before that visit, defense attorney carl douglas had gone into simpson's house for a little redecorating.o make the rockingham location look lived in and stand with all of its that the jurors would say, "o.j. simpson would not have risked all of this for this woman."of simpson with white women were swapped out for pictures of him with black people. a norman rockwell painting from n's office and a bedside photo of simpson's mother were placed in prominent
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>> this is not tampering with evidence? >> this is not tampering with evidence, no. making his house presentable. like washing the floors. >> like putting the bible out for everybody to see -- >> like putting flowers in to more presentable. if there is no objection, so be it. >> you wanted to win.d, i'm trying to get the optimum advantage to win. they play hardball in the big leagues.is was the big leagues. >> reporter: and there was a lot more hardball to be played, starting with that evidence cops had collected at the crime sceneate. the defense knew how to dismiss quickly it and cleverly, with >> garbage in, garbage out. >> reporter: garbage in, garbage out, became the strategy. if there was evidence that was ed, or corrupted, then
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could not be trusted. for example, a key blood sample llected from the crime scene until three weeks after the murder. then defense dna expert ounced on the lapd's dennis fung, accusing him and a colleague of mishandling evidence. >> there! there!w about that, mr. fung? >> the defense came in and just whittled in piece by piece, little by little. >> many people who watched the jury was bored by the lengthy dna evidence. >> put yourself there. and you're sitting there. you're listening to this stuff over. i'm not gonna lie to you. it was somewhat boring. >> reporter: boring, and resonating with the jury, whose silent expressions sent a loud message to marcia clark. >> the trial was a nightmare for me every single day. i had had so many days of going and feeling
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it's over. it's over. there's no way. because, remember, i'm watching ay, every day. >> what was the bigger problem, the defense suggesting that, because of race, that the dna evidence had been tampered with,k then just too hard and too boring for the jury to understand? >> it was the former. it was definitely the race issue.he problem. the problem was the jury didn't wanna believe. and so at the end of the day, ne believe something they don't want to believe. >> reporter: but there was plenty of other evidence besidestion never showed the jury. like the police interview with simpson.ewell note and the ensuing bronco chase. those were critical lost tom lange. >> i had a problem from day one, because of evidence that they didn't wanna put on. >> and you'd say to prosecutors,"
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worry, we have dna evidence." >> they didn't say that, they ied that. we kept getting evidence, getting more and more evidence. and they weren't having anything to do with it. >> reporter: but clark says she that the bronco chase, simpson's police interview and so-called "sucide note" might play sympathetically to the jury.r the most objective evidence i can. i can't go to them and say, "this is what i think." because any of these kind of nd that's a dicey move, the statement he gave the unquote suicide note that he wrote. so i had enough solid evidence without taking risk with evidence like that. >> reporter: enough evidence that even eyewitness skip junis, the man who said he spotted gym bag at the airport soon after the murders, was never called to testify.s kris jenner, who wanted to tell the jury how nicole feared for her life.
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going to be murdered, do you that she knew? >> she knew. >> how do you know? >> she told me. >> what did she say to you? >> he's gonna kill me and he's gonna get away with it. >> you couldn't put her on the stand because, what?rsay? >> yeah, yeah. that would be hearsay. under the circumstances that nicole was speaking to kris jenner, we couldn't get it in. i would've been happy to put hertand, believe me. i think she would have been a great witness. but -- >> reporter: we've talked a lot about the evidence the prosecution could have brought into the case, but there was probably should have left out. it would prove to be especially devastating to the case, a which prosecutors probably never recovered.would ask that mr. simpson step forward and try on the glove recovered at bundy as well as the glove recovered at rockingham. >> that's people's 77. >> that was not my call. the evidence gloves. i never did.
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>> reporter: chris was co-prosecutor rden. >> i was miserable from the moment that chris said, "no, i'm doing this." and i never expected anything good to come of it.ing i could assume at that time was, it's not the right gloves.they didn't fit. >> it was a stunning time, one that will go down in the annals of history, i suggest. >> as one of the dumbest moves or. >> ever. you never try a demonstration if you're not sure what's gonna happen.at rockingham and bundy don't fit! do you understand that? don't fit! and they can never make them fit! bye!ter: and the prosecution knew it too, just a little too late, as chris darden told nbc news in 1996. >> they shouglove expert said they would fit him.
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they had his blood on them.lood on them. it's something that because it did not come off perfectly, oh, yeah, i wish i hadn't done. >> you say to darden that night, i told you so? >> no.rden said to me, "i'm sorry." and i said, "it's okay. if that lost the case for us, we were never gonna win anyway."oming up -- detective mark fuhrman is caught on tape, putting the prosecution we'd heard. >> reporter: and those dramatic closing arguments. >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> reporter: when dateline continues. th a 467 horse power
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>> reporter: the 4th of july weekend of 1995 had just passed, but the fireworks were only beginning in johnny cochran's office. most were dead ends, but one
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investigator pat mckenna.alize then, but mckenna was about to become a key player in the most explosive and pivotal part of the case, all because of one cryptic phone- >> fuhrman tapes. n-word. things like that. >> reporter: detective the handsome, confident cop who had discovered the bloody glove at rockingham. so mckenna followed up with the he message about furhman, which led him to a woman named laura hart mckinney, a screenwriter who consulted with fuhrman on a script about police work.ons were recorded. a few weeks later, the tapes hran's office. johnnie was very careful about those tapes, locking 'em in his safe, where only he had the combination. just so explosive. >> anything out of a [ bleep ] mouth for the first five or six fucking lie.
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tape. i've heard it myself, it is his voice and it is chilling. we'd heard. he used the n-word so much that became insignificant. like, you know, hoisting champagne glasses when you listen to those tapes? >> it was manna from heaven.ut for the prosecution, the fuhrman tapes were pure hell. >> it was horrifying, horrifyingt tape, it was, like -- it was, like, having a sewer-unload on your head. >> reporter: fuhrman insisted o more than the basis for a movie. >> is this really what the reality of a democracy is?fictional screeenplay to prosecute one man for doing too good of a job on a murder case and acquitting another?absolutely absurd. >> reporter: absurd to detective
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ammunition for simpson's attorneys.e maintained that fuhrman was a racist cop, who in an effort to frame simpson, planted the bloody glove at his undermine fuhrman, went their thinking, and the entire lapd investigation would be in doubt. now judge ito, made a that would greatly benefit simpson's defense. he allowed two excerpts from the fuhrman tapes to be presented before the jury. >> they don't do anything. they don't go out there and initiate a contact with some 6'5" [ bleep ] that's been in prison for 7 years pumping weights. >> reporter: fuhrman, eviously and denied using the n-word, was then called back to court to answer for what he said on those tapes. >> all right, detective fuhrman would you resume the witness stand please.me fuhrman, accompanied by his lawyer, didn't have much to say. except --
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>> reporter: three times fuhrman invoked his constitutional right against self-incrimination as him saving their best question for last. >> detective furhman did you evidence in this case? >> i assert my 5th amendment i it was terrible. it was terrible. the glove demonstration to me paled into insignificance after that.n you're handicapping a murder trial afterwards and you're comparing -- >> was -- >> which part of your case was e biggest disaster? >> throughout the trial it felt like one minefield after another. and every day, we'd walk into court and something else was blowing up. red that. >> i was pissed. pissed. when someone asks you that, under those circumstances, is, "no. hell, no. not plant evidence." that's the response. when you plead the fifth, it's
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>> did fuhrman sink the prosecution when he did that? >> he sunk the case. >> i assert my 5th amendment privilege.rt of fuhrman's testimony was heard outside the presence of the jury.you, sir. >> thank you, your honor. >> reporter: but juror lon cryer had already heard enough from detective fuhrman to form an opinion about him and his role the investigation. >> in my mind i thought, well, he planted this, the gloves and the hat. he had plenty of opportunity to do it. >> and because this 100% by the book, you think that means something -- >> that means i can't convict someone -- >> something nefarious went on? >> it means that i can't convict someone of murder.rosecutors had one last chance closing arguments. for five hours marcia clark reviewed that trail of evidence gham. clear proof, she said, that simpson killed nicole and ron.ou know he did it. now, these murders did not occur
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the context of a stormy tionship that was scarred by violence and abuse. >> it wasn't my best. it wasn't. i was tired. i was demoralized.got to actually talk to the jury, i thought, "are you hearing anything? i don't know if you're hearing anything. i don't know." it just didn't feel like anybody cared.p this cover up! >> reporter: then it was johnnie cochran's turn. >> stop this cover up. if you don't stop it then who? >> reporter: it was classic delivered that iconic line which would forever define the trial. >> if it doesn't fit you must acquit.o with cochran's speech ringing in their ears, the exhausted jury would now decide the fate of impson. but it turns out most of them had already made up their minds.
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>> reporter: the spectacle on n was over. now the fate of o.j. simpson would be settled behind closed t as deliberations began, lon cryer, aka juror number six, was antsy. >> you wanted out of there? think of. in my mind i had formed an opinion that i'm probably gonna go "not guilty."t am i the only person who saw it that way. >> reporter: cryer and the 11 other jurors took their first >> oh wow, ten to two for
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and i went in the restroom and i, "oh, yes," kinda things. and it wasn't because of the ten to two verdict, it was because i'm close to getting out of here.ter: two votes now spelled the difference between both simpson and the jury finally going home. open to someone showing a differing view that maybe could have changed my view. >> the two jurors who voted for guilty, what, they didn't try tose over? >> not at all. >> they didn't stick with it? >> not at all. >> reporter: and that mountain apparently not part of the deliberations. >> nothing about the dna actually even came up in discussion. >> during jury deliberations, the dna evidence wasn't even mentioned? as fast as this went, no. it never came up. >> reporter: and a short time later, a second vote. an eight-month trial decided in
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the case, is that correct madam foreman? >> yes. >> reporter: it would be ay. >> i was convinced, convinced that he was going to be found guilty.ertson, would you -- you have the envelope with the sealed verdict. >> yes, your honor. >> reporter: then the next day families, detectives and attorneys arrived at judge ito's courtroom for the very last time. >> i saw johnnie in the courtroom.ooked pretty upset. and i said, "what are you worried about? you won." and he said, well, he didn't think he had.all the pundits, you know, that night before the verdict came in, were predicting a conviction. everyone. everyone. >> but not you? >> reporter: as we gathered to watch, everything seemed to stop. tuned in, costing the economy nearly half a billion dollars in
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exchange plummeted 41%. and president clinton was briefed on security measures in rred not only in l.a., but nationwide.urt of california -- >> reporter: then finally, at 10:00 a.m. pacific time, on october 3rd, 1995, eight months s. >> we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant, orenthal james simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder. >> when she read nicole's verdict first and they said, mber thinking, "shh, shh, shh, they haven't read ron's yet," thinking for some crazy reason that my brother's verdict would be different.of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187-a, a felony, upon ronald lyle goldman, a human being.hen i lost it. i don't know why i thought it
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and i was pissed.o, wow is this really our justice system? it was unbelievable. it seemed really obvious to me was going to be guilty. >> juror number 11. >> it felt horrible. it was physically painful.ot justice. and i thought of ron and nicole. and thought, this is wrong. it's so wrong. >> you blame yourself for this?s do. i do. i mean, i was the one trying the case.e day, there was no way to reach that jury. there was no way to make them believe. there really wasn't. >> it wasn't so much that i just totally don't feel that there was enough evidence presented to me to convict him. >> reporter: one verdict, two
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across the country. >> reporter: for the first time in more than 15 month, o.j. simpson was a free man. fred goldman, as he'd done so many times before, spoke for the families. >> last june 13, '94, was the, are of my life. this is the second. one of those moments of a little blur. crying and shock and anger and ether. and then we left. with nothing after nine months led. >> reporter: america's newly-insatiable appetite for trial binge watching had ended
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desserts many had hoped for. but this would not be the last we'd see or hear of simpson. because simpson would soon be back in court. and this time things would be fferent. coming up o.j. simpson on the oath in all caught on these dramatic tapes. >> if her face was black and blue the next day, or two days later, i was responsible for it. >> reporter: when dateline continues. well, i know you asked me to call you the at&t hostess with the mostest. okay, shut her down. turn it off.ght now, buy an iphone and get another one free when you add a second line. to share a photo of
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>> reporter: from the county jail to the country club. it didn't take oj simpson to geting of things. on the links and on camera simpson was everywhere, eager to he told b.e.t. in january of 1996. >> i loved nicole. i could not have killed anyone. >> reporter: watching and seething were the families of nicole and ron.ere was this
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flaunting his celebrity.ept sayin' he was looking for the real killers, on every fairway in america. >> right. and every time he looked i, he had found him. >> reporter: but fred goldman still wanted justice, even if ited free. >> i wanted a court to say he was -- was guilty. >> reporter: no court could do that now, but a civil court ble for killing ron and nicole. and that meant filing a wrongful death lawsuit. if simpson lost, he wouldn't go to prison but he might have to the families. the goldmans hired a relatively ey named dan petrocelli to represent them. he had never handled a case that involved murder. >> petrocelli would argue the case here in santa monica where ould be selected from a largely white population. and unlike in the criminal case,
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this jury wouldn't have to agreeerdict. and as a matter of law, o.j. simpson would have no choice but to testify in pretrial depositions and the trial and that meant simpson would have to answer for all the dna evidence, his abuse of nicole, and something that surfaced in al enquirer. >> on one of the lead pages, is a picture of simpson walking and one of his feet were elevated he was wearin' and said that was a bruno magli shoe. >> reporter: during the original investigation the bloody shoe ime scene were matched to this exact type of italian shoe. now, thanks to the photo, petrocelli could put the shoes on simpson. it sent out to a lab for authentication, came back. this is a real picture.ary 1996, simpson arrived at petrocelli's
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attorney face-to-face with his boyhood idol. >> by that point i knew he was aler. but he extended his hand out for me to shake it. and i just couldn't resist.his hand. i've always regretted that, thate hand of -- that probably wielded the knife that killed my client's son and killed his ex-wife.ter: but that was as friendly as it ever got, as we discovered in these rarely seen video depositions. for 13 days, petrocelli grilled simpson about the night of the s finger and the shoes. >> you ever buy shoes that you knew were bruno magli shoes? >> no.o you know that? >> 'cause i know, if bruno magli makes shoes that look like the
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involved in this case, iwned those ugly-ass shoes. >> the deposition turned out to be a gold mine for us, because he made so many inconsistent statements.hen petrocelli challenged simpson about abusing nicole. >> i believe the bruises that her body, i was responsible for. if she got them from me being physical with her or she got them when she fell when she was outside, i was responsible for it.she was outside, it's because you made her fall, right? >> no. >> because you were hitting her. right? >> no. >> you were pounding her. >> no, that's incorrect. black and blue, didn't you? >> if her face was black and blue the next day or two days later, i was responsible for it.hen in october 1996. o.j. simpson would tell it to a jury as the civil trial got underway. no tv cameras.ist cops planting evidence.t kind of trial, you know. it was a trial based on evidence.
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>> reporter: and the primary was o.j. simpson himself who had no choice but to take the stand.nswers, no explanations why his dna and his hair and his fiber and his clothing scene. why the victim's blood was in his house. why the victims' blood was in his car. this is evidence that would put most cases. >> reporter: and near the end of trial another devastating wave of evidence.on wearing the same bruno magli shoes, >> it really puts the ultimate >> reporter: and now a jury would decide. after deliberating five days they had a verdict.nanimous. >> the jury has decided yes, o.j. simpson did willfully and
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ron goldman. and applause ] >> finally he had a court say he did it. it was only confirmation of what we knew. >> reporter: the families were awarded $33.5 million dollars in damages, of which they've only received a fraction. what was left of his reputation. [ crowd jeers ] >> reporter: that aside, he again walked out of court a free man.urned out justice was coming for o.j. simpson in ways he agined. coming up, o.j. simpson in criminal court again, but this time the verdict is different. >> i'm gonna sentence you as follows. >> reporter: and more than two what else has changed? and the latest on the knife
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don't go too far, sweetheart. >> reporter: 2007. o.j. simpson was still living the good life, having relocated
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las vegas, after which his life tence you as follows. >> reporter: and exactly 13 years to the day that he was acquitted of the murders in as convicted, and later sentenced up to 33 years. >> thank you. >> reporter: o.j. simpson is or parole in 2017. he will be 70 then. but that isn't the end of the simpson saga. even now more than 20 years later, new stories continue to just two days ago, lapd detectives came into possession recovered years ago here at simpson's former estate in brentwood.e is now undergoing connection to the case.
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our lab.ey are going to study it and examine it for all forensics, including serology and dna and hair samples. and that is ongoing as we speak. >> reporter: this is not the e. over the years dozens of knives have also surfaced, but none have proven to be the murder weapon.n, nor anyone else was convicted of the murders, police say they will continue to explore any new leads.homicide that is still open and ongoing. >> reporter: but because of double jeopardy laws, simpson harged with the murders of his ex-wife and ron goldman.s changed in the two decades since that horrible night in brentwood.'t fit, you must acquit. >> reporter: the man who helped acquit simpson johnnie cochran, died in 2005. attorney robert kardashian also passed away, two years earlier.
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answe right now. >> reporter: his partner, tom retired and still lives outside los angeles. >> it is in the memory of nicole that the foundation was formed. >> reporter: denise brown is g others about domestic violence, and now runs a speaker's bureau to get the word out. kim goldman has written a new book about victims of high young son, whose middle name is ronald.man being. >> reporter: her father, fred, was awarded the rights to simpson's book, "if i did it: a killer," which goldman says he considers a true account of how simpson killed ron and nicole, something ues to deny. kato kaelin is still in los angeles and among his many projects, has a clothing line.ell, you know. >> i wish to assert my 5th amendment privilege.
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anything. however, he did plead no contest to one count of perjury for lying at trial in connection with those audio tapes and was sentenced to three years probation.en fuhrman has appeared as a commentator on the fox news channel. neither marcia clark nor chris darden ever tried another a's office. clark still practices law as an appellate attorney. she's also an author and has a ng out entitled: "blood defense," where the main character is a hard-charging, ambitious defense attorney.as also written several books and started his own law firm specializing in se. >> never answer a hypothetical question from a reporter. >> reporter: carl douglas is and has a small shrine to his mentor, johnnie cochran, in his office.
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2015 after serving more than e bench. the once mostly-white lapd is now much more racially e city it polices, though far from perfect race relations have dramatically improved between the cops and e city's black community. >> and we hope that that injustice will be prevented in a civil trial. >> reporter: and dan petrocelli,acticing law in los angeles and now lives in brentwood, not far from where o.j. simpson once did. but simpson's rockingham estate w owner demolished the house in 1998 to build a new one. condo, it's still there with a remodeled exterior and a new address number, but gawking busloads of have dwindled. and that mountain of evidence that was supposed to guarantee a
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most of it's still around.apd's that's all for now.

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