whenever president obama is on the road selling his healthcare plan, he keeps mentioning one hospital as a possible model for america. the mayo clinic in rochester, minnesota. which he says delivers high-quality care at a cheaper cost. robin roberts who sat down yesterday for an exclusive interview with the president went behind the scenes at the hospital to find out their keys to success. >> well, ready or not, here it comes. this will be the first time in the hospital overnight. >> this is mike wilson's first week as doctor.

>> t mike and sylvia jaramillo e interns in rochester, minnesota. >> for the first time i get to see my name with the m.d. it makes me feel like a doctor. >> what's it like to be young doctors with all this talk about health reform? >> there's what it makes it an exciting time to be in medicine. >> i think it's come to the point where we realize something has to be done about this healthcare system. >> and these were the two other arrhythmias -- >> over the next three years they'll be steeped in what some people say is a radically different approach to practicing medicine. one that lately has attracted some pretty prominent admirers. >> turns out mayo provides care much more cheaply than a lot of peven though it's betteeland cl throughout our healthcare system. >> here's a very important

point, if you don't know something it's okay to say i don't know. >> knock knock. >> a lot of experts are convinced that the mayo model proves in the end that health care reform is not about who pays for care, but about how it is given. >> all right. tell us how the pain is. >> we have lots of tests that we can order. i say simplify. simplify. only order a test if the patient is having a problem. >> while americans like to believe more means better, a dartmouth university study found with mayo fewer tests and procedures has meant better. better quality care. >> we don't want to provide a lower quality care. we want to enhance it. because if you order the right tests or a series of wrong tests until you t to the righthe bookd health. i think i came to mayo thinking

we'd order every single test on every single patient and then we'd find out the answer. >> it's a sign of inexperience. that's what the older ones have told us. >> it adds up. the study found that mayo's medical spending is 43% less than hospitals like ucla medical center, and 37% less than johns hopkins. yet, mayo is ranked among them as one of the best hospitals in the country. another crucial difference -- mayo doctors like pediatric surgeon dr. dana are salaried employees. in other words, they're not paid for how many tests they run, how many surgical procedures they do, or how many patients they see. >> i'm not figuring out how can i work most efficiently to get the most out of reimbursement, i'm thinking how can i work more efficiency for the patient and delivering quality care. >> though have have been the studies measuring this, experts

suspect that doctors who are salarieded are likely to spend more time with patients. here dr. thompson has spent a better part of an hour focusing on nicole sams and her son matthew. >> this is why i like working at mayo. i have the ability to sit down and really give parents full, undivided attention and time and without the pressure of a lot of things. if i was in a private practice setting this would be a different thing to do. >> who's that? >> that's you. >> dr. thompson is using an electronic record which most hospitals in america are still waiting for. with a click of a mouse, she has access to matthew's entire medical history. >> the doctor knew his history before we even walked in the door. so it was nice instead of going through the whole medical history all over again and they knew about his care every single doctor that we saw. >> so you haven't seen -- you haven't seen this case, right? okay. >> mayo also attributes its

success to its team approach. >> so this is an 80-year-old woman -- >> doctors with different specialties working closely together on a patient's case. >> i mean, i think she's lost this part of the pancreas right >> bef ultra sounds. >> cutting wire out. >> even during a routine procedure, dr. baron has no problem whatsoever asking for help. >> call mike -- >> we have heard about the salary and other places use it on a small scale, but this is what it's known for here. >> yeah. >> there's not the extra incentive to have the extra test. >> yeah, what drives me to do more is because i like what i do. >> for all of mayo's successes the debate outside has been mostly fought over who pays for coverage. even the president admits what's

harder to legislate is perhaps the crucial thing. how medicine is practiced in this country. >> that is a slow, graduate process. you know, changing the culture of medicine, changing how doctors practice. those are things that will take years to accomplish. government can't simply dictate that. what we can do is provide some incentives to lift up some best practices. >> there's a fear that people such as yourselves are not going to want to enter medicine. do you understand why people are a little worried that we -- the american public, are not going to have qualified people such as yourself wanting to get into medicine if some of the reform they're talking about is enacted? >> i'm going to check your blood pressure again -- >> i actually think it's going to draw people that are interested in medicine like mike and myself. because it isn't going to be money that's going to drive us.

>> here we are, america. >> call rapid response, please. >> and what can we do to improve our healthcare system? let's get a pulse -- i want to contribute to that system in whatever way i can. this is night number one on call. >> yeah. >> on a scale of one to tired, my eyes are kind of watering because they're at the burning stage. >> the first long call is over. >> last night was like the first night in my entire life i felt like i was a doctor. >> but for dr. mike wilson and those enbrailled in the debate over how to change the healthcare, tomorrow it will start all over again. for "nightline," i'm robin roberts in rochester, minnesota. >> fascinating. our thanks to robin for that look at the mayo clinic, what it

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it's time now for tonight's "closing argument." well, the president's speech marked a key juncture in our national healthcare debate. and as persuasive as he tried to be, tomorrow morning the partisan stalemate will likely be unresolved. so did the president convince you that the time for reform has come and did he make the case for his plan? tell us what you think by clicking on the "nightline" page at abcnews.com or on the "nightline" twitter page. that's our report for tonight. "jimmy kimmel live" is up next. for now, i'm terry moran. for cynthia mcfadden and martin bashir and all of us at abc news, good night, america.

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>> hi. i'll be your guide through the next hour of adventure and laughs and it's 9-9-09 today. or at least it was until a few minutes ago. september, 9, 2009, and that's what happens when our governor yells when they get his breakfast order wrong. nine, nine, maria. i wanted the scones. you didn't know i did impressions? today is the 40th birthday of the atm. the automated teller machine or -- 40 years ago, somebody somewhere came to the exciting realization that people will pay $1.50 transaction fee to get something they already own and they sprung up everywhere. this is interesting, the first-ever atm transaction was completed by the first man to walk on the moon, neil armstrong, in 1969. they had him make a transaction. he withdrew $10. remember when you could get $10

out of an atm? he bought a salami sandwich and a pack of naked lady playing cards. so check the history books it's right in there. president obama gave his big pitch to a joint session of congress tonight. a joint session of congress is very rare. it's when the house and senate get baked out of their minds and have a session of congress. obama is trying to drum up support for the healthcare plan. half of the audience claps when the president makes a point, and half sits there with their arms folded. >> if americans can't find affordable coverage, we will provide you with a choice. [ applause ] the united states of america, no one should go broke because they get sick. [ applause ] >> pretty evenly divided among party lines. sometimes these guys, they have

to look around to figure out whether they're supposed to be clapping or not. like this. >> now -- [ applause ] -- it is -- >> it's cold in here, huh? i mean -- last night here on abc, we had an important interview with john gosselin of "jon and kate plus 8." chris cuomo gave jon a chance to sell his side of the story regarding the breakup with his wife, kate. if the idea of doing the interview was to improve his image, he didn't do a particularly good job. in fact, after seeing the interview i don't know what this guy is thinking. >> do you love kate? >> absolutely. no. [ laughter ] i don't know. [ laughter ] i do not love kate. [ laughter ] it's tough. what she's going to do?

divorce me? >> yeah, well, you know, i'll put that that down as a maybe tonight. kathy griffin is here tonight. kathy knows a lot about jon and kate and plus 8. kind of her area of expertise. like dian fossey had her gorillas. kathy griffin has the gosselins. as a matter of fact, kathy has a new tv movie coming out that blows the lid off jon, kate and the plus eight. >> she was a wife. >> hi, honey. >> hi, mrs. gosselin. >> we'll see more of that later in the show.3 that was georgety assemblyman southern california by the name of michael duval. he resigned today after getting caught on microphone saying this.

>> the man spotlighted is michael duvall. he is talking about a very sensitive subject into a hot microphone without realizing it. >> >> what a wonderful story. well, young people do need discipline. i all wondered what those guys are whispering about during the meetings and it turns out it's spanking and underwear. a big day for the beatles fans today. they remastered the original recordings which means nothing really. no one i have ever met can tell the difference between the regular ones and the remastered, but also today they released the beatles video game called beatles rock band.

this is game where you play along to the beatles songs and they threw in a bonus game for people who might like a more active gaming experience. >> she is trying to break up the beatles. >> i know, i know, let's get her! >> yeah. that bitch! ♪ >> don't even bother, she's in the --rand theft yoknounced that she will be the new judge. she will be seated between simon cowell and kara dioguardi next season. you hear that sound?

that is paula abdul jumping out her hotel room. so now ellen degeneres and ryan seacrest host 40% of all television shows. and tomorrow, it will be tennessee and pittsburgh. brett favre, michael vick, terrell owens, and i might be more excited about a rookie from the buffalo bills, named ellis lankster. he answered questions about his an interception he had against the bears. >> what were you thinking on that play? did you think -- [ inaudible ]. >> yes. >> how did that work -- walk me through that. >> like, um, -- like, um -- like, um, like, um, i was -- like, um -- um, like, i was -- i was just like, um, i was just reading -- i was just on the man or whatever and he had -- he had threw the ball to my man. and i had called it and picked it up there. [ laughter ]

>> you know, it doesn't work out on the field i think he's got quite a career in the broadcast booth. monday night football will go until tuesday. [ laughter ] this is good. this is from south africa. a reporter named charles starmer smith got in the lion's cage. he was making a tourism video and the lion was supposed to be tame, but it ended up biting his leg. the trainer had to jump in to save him and they both provided us with the unintentional joke of the day. >> the young reporter wrestles with the 300 pound beast as a trainer tries to beat the lion off. >> well, you know, you have to -- what are they supposed to do? go on craigslist? they're lions. one more video. this making the rounds on youtube right now, called big egg. it's a video of a guy cracking a

big egg. look at what he founds inside. >> yesterday, the chickens they went out and there was a big egg. there it is. there's the big egg. okay. so let's find out what's in the big egg. you ready? >> uh-huh. >> the big egg has another egg in it. >> oh. weird. [ laughter ] that's -- another egg in that? >> nope. that is the end of the nesting dolls of egg. >> that is very strange. you see that, guillermo? actually that reminded me of you in a way. >> a little bit. >> i'll tell you why. this is a home video guillermo's mother gave me. watch very closely because you get to see guillermo's mom and dad. [ laughter ] >> wow.

>> wow. you know what? i don't think i have ever seen anything like that. hey, on the show tonight from "true blood" on hbo, ryan kwanten is here. we have music tonight from brendan benson. and we'll be right back with kathy griffin, so stick around.

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♪ hi, there, we're back. joining us, an actor whom i have no hesitation all calling a -- about calling a dream boat because, let's face it, that's what he is. from "true blood" on hbo, ryan kwanten is here. also tonight, a very talented singer and songwriter. he either is or was one half of the raconteurs with jack white of the white stripes. his new album is called "my old, familiar friend". brendan benson is here. tomorrow night, the former governor of illinois, rod blagojevich is here. nick cannon is with us. and we'll have music from white lies. our first guest is a two-time emmy winner for her show "my life on the d list", a grammy nominee for her cd "for your consideration", and now, she takes aim at oprah with her new autobiography called "official book club selection". please say hello to kathy griffin. [ cheers and applause ]

what did i do? what's wrong? >> not talking to you. this could be uncomfortable, i'm not talking to you. >> that could be a problem then. >> look, i just wrote a best selling book. >> yes. yes. congratulations. >> which has been chosen for the oprah book club. >> is that right? >> oh, maybe. [ laughter ] and i actually referenced you in the book and if you look in the index, you're referenced four times. >> thank you. >> and yet, i feel like you don't give me good material for my book. i feel that you don't give me -- like we don't ever get into a good fight in public and that you kind of shun me when you see me off camera. >> there's not true. >> well, let me tell you something. you know who delivers? >> who? >> a lady named barbara walters. because when i go on that show, i get kicked under the table. i get banned. i can write about it.

you give me nothing. >> well, i'm sorry. i'm sorry for being so friendly. [ laughter ] but let me -- >> you just got me back. >> as i told you in the past, i know better than to spend any time with you outside of the show. >> because you fear that i will what? >> tell everyone everything that i'm really up to in real life. >> correct. >> that's what i don't want. >> what are you afraid i'm going to expose? >> well, if i said that, there's no point in fearing because everyone will know. for instance, you came over to my house once -- >> okay, did we sleep together? yes. [ laughter ] and now you're afraid i'm going to tell people? no, i won't. because i have a boundary that i would not cross. i don't want to tell people we slept together that's ivate. what were you 'd go through thi and -- >> well, your office is is a

absolute pigsty. you should be on the show "hoarders". >> what is the show? >> they go into people's homes who hoard things and in piles -- like your office. where there's a path -- they figure out why psychologically you're ill and what is wrong with you. >> yeah. >> and we talked about that the third time we had sex. [ laughter ] like i'm not going to reveal because i have a boundary. >> i don't remember any talking at all that -- >> you had a rohypnol in your stomach. i took care of thatthe old >> no, no. i mean you're supposed to like oprah, you and guillermo and the band, you guys all get together and read my book and cry. >> oh, yeah. >> talk about feelings. >> yeah, we'll do that. we don't have a book club though. >> well, what the [ bleep ] am i doing on your show? [ laughter ] >> kind of --

>> i thought -- you're -- you're like my mother. my mother i wrote a book, my mother looked up her own name in the index first. she wanted to see what i said about her. >> like you wouldn't do that. >> that reminds me of the sixth time we slept together. [ laughter ] i'm never going to talk about that. >> i'll be honest i read your book -- well, i read the four pages that i'm on. >> you read the four pages you're on? >> yes. thank you for -- yes. i did read the four pages that i'm on. congratulations. i was nervous when i saw that. >> you should be nervous. >> because you have problems with everyone you encounter. >> so you're implying -- yes, i don't get along with others. you're implying that -- who do you think in that book that will not take it well? who do you think is going to have hard time with the book? >> oh, steve martin. >> no, he's not going to take it well? >> no. >> i have a story because it's so arbitrary and i don't remember -- and i know he probably doesn't remember

meeting me at all and he's such a [ bleep ]. he goes down pretty hard. >> there are a few people you'll have a problem with. not that you don't already have a problem with those people -- >> no, i hang out with my mom and my dog. that's it. >> yeah. >> those are the only ones talking to me. >> did your mom check the index asure everything was issed this, but i happened to be on vacation at the time. >> is that a euphemism? >> no, you had a special date for the teen choice awards. >> i found love in my life, jimmy. >> and that day -- >> i found a special man in my life. >> was this gentleman, levy johnson -- who is sarah palin's daughter's baby daddy. >> right. >> you took him out on a date? >> okay, can i say, for that alone, can i please just have my third emmy right now? just for that give it up.

[ cheers and applause ] >> i think that was your fourth emmy. >> i would like some sort of award just for that. >> how did you end up on date with levi johnston? >> here's what you don't know about love, it will find you in the most difficult ways. it's may-december because levi is 22 and i'm 32 let's go with that. it's inappropriate. but the way i went out with him is the way i go out with all my dates which is i called him and asked him out and told him what to wear. >> you told him what to wear? >> i requested that he wear one of the suits that he wore to the gop convention and he did. >> what did you guys do on this date besides -- >> well, we did a lot of math and we did a lot of readin' and writin'. no, we had a lot of vaginal sex. [ laughter ] and -- >> really? >> which i'm not going to talk about publicly. because i have a boundary.

>> uh-huh. yeah. >> and, yeah, he was my date. we did the red carpet. he was a complete sport and totally got the joke. it was great getting a reaction from the journalists who would like at me and say, kathy, what do you think about paula abdul and they'd be -- yes, this is my fiance. let's go with husband, levi johnston. and i -- i don't know if i should reveal this now, but there is a little bit of a baby bump. >> is that right? >> yeah. >> and i would not say that just to sell books at all.3 i'm sayi i'm going to try because i think life is about trying. i am hoping that my book will outsell the bible. [ laughter ] >> well, you have to get it in the motels. i went through the index, as you

know. i pulled some names out. >> okay. >> i want to ask you about these people, quickly just tell me if you're talking to them or not. >> okay, i think the question is more who's talking to me or not. not many people are talking to me. >> okay. brooke shields. >> no. >> clay aiken? >> no. >> lance bass. >> yes. >> why is he -- >> yes. >> and clay aiken is a no? >> well, because i have called clay gay-ken many times. >> chastity bono? >> um, i would say maybe. >> maybe. >> yeah. >> celine dion? >> no. >> did you have any relationship with her that she would not -- >> very superficial relationship that i now i think i have ruined by implying that she had sex with her husband when she was 9. [ laughter ] it's a canadian thing, it's a

totally -- >> oh, canadian? >> it's a canadian thing. the exchange rate -- >> the exchange rate in quebec, secession from the country. a different time. it's a boundary i will not cross. >> gayle king? >> no. >> not talking to gayle king? >> not talking to me. >> oprah winfrey? >> not talking to me. >> anderson cooper? >> talking to me. >> okay. paula abdul? >> not -- well, she may not be aware of who she's talking to. [ laughter ] i mean, -- >> two more. paris hilton. >> yes. >> talking to her? dakota fanning? >> no. >> what problem could you possibly have with dakota fanning? >> i'm taking that little bitch down. [ laughter ] no. when i got fired from the e channel for being a red car correspondent i got fired because when dakota was 9 years old i thought it would be funny

to start a rumor on the red carpet that she had gone to rehab for drug and alcohol. >> and you turned out to be right or wrong? >> well, we'll see. i was wrong and team fanning was upset about it. >> you don't want to mess with them. >> is it weird that there's a team fanning? >> i think it's weird that there's a team fanning. >> are you looking for your name again? >> no. i'm looking to hold it up. it's called "official book club selection" and not endorsed by oprah. we'll be back. [ female announcer ] olay challenged not just one dermatologist

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♪ hi, there, we're back with kathy griffin. her book is called "official book club selection" and kathy, you're hosting the emmy award show -- >> just call them what they are. the week before the real exmys there's creative arts emmys and they're like the technical awards. anyway, two years ago i won an emmy and during the speech i made a joke and said suck [ bleep ] this award is my god now. >> yeah. people got mad. >> peoe good mad.

and now they ask me using that next year you'll be hosting the regular emmy show if you offend them enough. >> yes. >> do you have anything planned? >> yes. i might -- well, it's always good to tell a deity to suck it because people get upset it or offend bill o'reilly or glenn beck because glenn beck has to do some more heroin and go back to the mormon church. have you ever been o'reilly's pin head of the week? >> no. >> i was o'reilly's pin head of the week. it was great. >> i would think you would be. you get excited about being pin head of the week, and they probably get excited because you make fun of them. >> well, they should, because they're [ bleep ]. you know, i'm nominated for two emmys this year. you know, i take that very, very

seriously. so my competition -- i'm bitterment i'm supposed to be gracious and say it's an honor to be nominated but in fact, [ bleep ] the antiques roadshow. >> about time somebody took them down a notch. >> well, high and mighty. well, intervention. i perform in iraq and i perform in a maximum security prison. oh, here's your emmy, screw that. what else is up? i don't know, "dirty jobs". you probably like that. straight jobs love that. i have a job, i'm dirty, yawn! [ laughter ] yeah, i'm a bitter competitor. >> well, you should be bitter because you have won the last two years in a row. >> but i want the girl -- you know that i think my emmys are more important than your children. >> right. >> like i think your kids are great, but my emmys are special. i have named them emmy and emily. and since we have -- we have tea parties and they always tell me

i'm pretty. [ laughter ] so i'm hoping we get a little el or something. >> t haven't given up acting. >> no. i should win because i'm a multifaceted performer. i just finished if i can use the term film -- >> yes, you may. >> it's a film. >> yes, you can use that. >> in this one, you know -- have just did. movie that you >> it's a tv film. >> based on the life of a very famous person. >> yeah. it's like my malcolm x, if you will. >> is it really? >> yeah. we have a clip here. i'm very excited. here's kathy griffin's new movie, take a look. kathy griffin. >> she was a model. >> i told you to camera a pie in the pie holes and mommy is doing

a show with regis. here, drink the tears of fame. drink up. >> she was a wife. >> hi, honey. [ laughter ] >> want to grab that light for us, dear. >> and she was a tabloid superstar. >> that's right! look at these abs! and look at the tummy tuck scars [ bleep ]! >> kathy griffin is kate gosselin. >> you don't love the kids. >> of course i love kids. have you seen my girlfriend? [ laughter ] >> george takei is jon gosselin. "kate is enough" the kate gosselin story right after an all-new mama m.d. >> wow. congratulations. kathy griffin, everybody. "official book club selection" in stores now. we'll be right back.

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guest nude no less than 200 times. the season two finale is on hbo this sunday at 9:00. please welcome the completely australian ryan kwanten. [ cheers and applause ] i'd say i'm surprised because you play a southerner on the show. >> right. >> then to find out that you're a foreigner here to steal american jobs i have to say is shocking. but the testament to your acting though i would say. >> thank you. it wasn't really my intention. i never planned to get into acting. i was sort of 15 at the time and my brother who was a dancer wanted to get into acting. i was into sports, triathalon was my sport of choice. i was on my way to training and my mom was dropping us both off.

he went up to do the audition, i waited in the car with the speedo and goggles waiting to go to training. i ran up the stairs and i said, drop me off and come back to mitchell and as fate had it, she came out with my brother, and she said, you're here to act? i said, lady, i can't act. she grabbed me by the wrist and took me in and then i was part of the agency. he didn't get in. >> wow. did she deflower you that day? >> yeah, it was a painful process. your brother didn't get it? >> yeah. and we haven't seen him since. he ran away from home. >> maybe because he didn't wear a speedo? >> yeah. to all the budding actors throughout, black speedo. >> that's the way to go. that's something else. that's the sort of thing that can tear a family apart. >> yeah. definitely a risk. we're close enough -- >> so you gave up swimming

altogether or did you swim here to the united states? [ laughter ] >> yeah, a very cold swim and made it across. >> how long have you been here? >> seven years. >> seven years. >> yeah. >> you wind up on the show "true blood" and you're not a vampire on the show. >> i'm not. i did the research -- you did the research, that's fantastic. >> thank you. but, you know, a lot of people are vampires on the show. do you wish you were one of the vampires? >> i don't. because they gave me -- because the writers gave me a huge smorgasbord from which to play and i'm surprised at what they give me. no, i feel blessed. >> spea lot? >> in the second season i'm buttoned up. >> how many times did they have you naked in the -- >> you said 250. my memory is hazy so i'm used to calling -- it's called a modesty sock which is literally just

like a -- it's like a sock with a draw string attached to the end of it. whenever i would walk into the trailer when i'd see -- i wouldn't see clothes hanging from the door -- >> you'd know that it was -- >> yeah. >> like a crown royal patch. wow. >> i've got -- >> thank you. you didn't bring any tongs, did you? >> that's very nice. i could get a fortune on ebay for this. wow, that's something else. i found that with australians that they like to have fun more than most everyone else in the whole world. right? i mean -- >> yeah. >> the screwing around, busting each other's hump, you know what i'm saying? and you're involved in some sort of a war with one of your camera guys. >> yeah. i like to think we run a very professional