josh: this sunday on "close up," she just returned from europe to review t rug crisis, senator jeanne shaheen is in the studio to give us her take on what challenges move ahead. george pataki keeps plugging away in new mpirashe puic hesor le surge ahead of the primary. now that joe biden is out of the race, we discussed the impact on hillary clintoanbeie sanders. thanks for joining us. i am josh mcelveen.

as presidential candidates debate immigration reform, a real-time crisis is unld europe as e ri cil war forces tens of thousandsf peoplecrs borders. arriving in countries that are not equipped to manage the numbers. senator shaheen just returned from greece and german a reewf e tuio welcome home. this must have been the eye-opener. sen. shaheen: it was. so sad, the stories that we that we talkedim -- talked to. the real challenges that europe is facing, the humanitarian challenge. this is the biggest crisis of refugees and since wldi. th a cininwo countries in europe that are not equipped to handle them. trying to deal with the basic human needs.

the eu that entry into the country is the country that is supposed to fingerprint take the ptu a ge them papers to go on. recognizing her these -- recognizing her these pere is a chaen. jo: most people assume these are all refugees fm syrian civil war but that is not case. sen. sha: it is not. what we heard in germany is the five biggest categories syrians,ras, afghans -- three conflict areas. theylsha lgeumrs of kosovars, people from kosovo, a balkan country on the edgef the eu. they also have people coming from africa , airtran is the other big country. they are looking at this in two ways.

they have refugees fleeing conflict areas and they also have economic migrants, le tryingo meor bter life . that is the distinctioth making. for people fleeing the wars seeking asylum, they have a better opportunity tst europe. many economic migrants they are looking at sending back home because of theirnali coode erod senate floor indicated gmany is accepti 10,000 refugees a day. it must be overwhelming. what kind of human terry and wintti? how is germany and greece ? is it comi? se s: there' more help coming. we visited the lge t

point in greece that so many refugees have been coming , some turkey. we met with the mayor of the city talkingbo h concerns, assistance andryg m su pplcod t lpnd be fed , couldn' t use facilities. just the basic human needs. he talked about not gein help he needed , either from the central government oce which has had financial challeng, t soheu. that was beginning to change by the time we got there. reception centers where people or bussed from when they landed in the rafts. we met with the greek coast guard who showed us a f

they were isthrege we ld rathe anto accood-2lehewe pureurse, and had 40 or 50 and then, if th the coasgud,heshld reheafsoheoa guarulcu them. towhirein water because they coast guard children. arsmgls d trafert s,he advantage of refugs. $2000 for a dangerous boat trip greec and had 40 or 50 and then, if ey the cotethentrpot to pe josh: this has become an issue

you are looking at some video on your scrn. sen.ha: we saw those kinds of boats. the greek coast guard has done a yeoman' s job rescuing people. sen. shaheen: -- s syria, u.s. enforced n zones. let' s get an international is that feasible. sen. shaheen: i have reservations about that . we talked to aid organizations in foreign relations and they were concerned about ts beusth sd wlde maor isis, for terrorist groups to try to go t places. i heard a real concerns from some of the refugee

in europe who said that what they are hearing from refugees is it would speed up the refugee flow becausehedootan be locked away in what they view as refugee camps where they would be sitting ducks eier assad' s army or isis. josh: there' s a very real concern, psintba said he would like to accept 10, refuge in the u.s. you think we should do more. people are pointing to that this coer those who mean to do us harm could embed themselvesit the refugees. these folks? sen. shaheen: we do need to carefully vet people but the reality is we' ve h a histy t u.s., this country is built on immiio diet, if we are not -- you and i, if we are not native

americans, were immigrants. after thvinawar,e ok 750,000 the enemies that we took cubans -- 750,000 vietnamese. we took cubans and somalis. we need to vet them as efficiently as possibl right w snd8 months to 2 years until they are able to do that. hopefully we can speed that up. if there are other countries in europe like germany who can do this faster, we ought to be able to do it faster. back in march, i went j hoeven, he and i are the leaders of the appropriations suomtt ohola secuty we went to our southern border because fe ishaen sthn rd lt year. we'

to accommodate refugees as they are trying to come to our southern border. we can share some of tha infoatn thururea unts we ought to be able to do this better and more effitl we'veeedog . jo i want to ask you, you had a chance to review tua in ukraine and the russian aggression. what w yr seatn? n.en: what was interesting, we met wi pridt poroshenko and members of their parliament. we metitthpre minister arseniy yatsenyuk and had discussions with reguleo from uai. whattr wt ei focuno on what is happening under easterbo on russi aggression, their focus was on corruptwi thgornnt and how are they going to address corruption. because people are fed up. networks. one of the positive stories we

heard wath o othfit ac ty ve tried to address that is with pol office in kiev, the capital city. we talked to one man his that i got stopped by theold th d n t a dvee. i guess we' ve seen -- try and bribe me. i guess we' ve seen some progress. the collections are . everybody expects that poroshenko and yatsenyuk are going to be defeated and they will be deat bso oth igchs and people who have in it' s an ongoing drama and it is a situation whe and europe need to continue to support wa doccy josh: the world is watching. for the update. you.

we will be right back with

josh: welcome back to "csep ." he is working hard in new hampshire to break through a large field.

good to see you. mr. pataki: always good being with you. josh: are you starting to get concerned? mr. paki not really. i' m more concerned ahe aconf e op oth gr. i' ve been from the north country to the seaas ever time hawe understand polls, you are not on tv but we know that you can lead the couny. we kw n win the election. hang in there. that is my attitude. i' m as confused as everyone with the fact that mo hf ecra a pli for two people who have never held public office but that is the way it is. you continue to believe in your message and believe t op a fhtheig. jo how do yon er money is an issue. mr. pataki: one of the things i love reading is this campaign is

we had not had money all the way through. we knew we were going to have to run a grassroots campaign from the beginnin aosa gua type campaign. almost every time i ran for congress to him including for governor, when i ranin mao ominewor we try to figure out how to pay the hotel bill at the republican convention where i got t nominationut i won. if you believe in people, you do not worry about thin caotonol you worry about doing everythi you can to convince people you are the right peon josh: how important to you is it to get on the debate stage? mr. pataki: it is important. you want the american people to hear your message. i will be on the first debate which is fine but it is not the same. as this goes forward there are going to be those who have had their luck peop said maybe we thought

buno if i get a chance to have people look at me, i' m not going to shrink when the cames tuedn . i am ready for that, i just hope that moment comes. josh: let me ask you about some issues. we just talked to senator shaheen, she reviewed the humanitarian crisis in europe. president obama said hwo like to accept 10,00re as a result of the syrian war in this country. varying opinions. what iyo tug? mr. pataki: first of all, it is clear atba'syanoly and hillary' s libyan policy -- those are the two main sources of refugees -- have been a catastrophe not just for our interests but for the world' s interests. when youavmo rugs an y time as the end of world war ii. i' m concerneouwhwe fi age. there are families that have been displaced, the mother and child.

i' m advised that somewhere between 70-85% of th-c refuesreine males between 20 and 40. are they coming for economic opportunity? are they saying we do not have to follothlaw immigration? there' s a group, is has made it plain that they are going to be use this crisis to send people to e fto ta us. we have to be very prude a careful. compassion for a family atas truly be dlote the 80% more of single males between 20-40, i have reservations about how we respontohe josh: a lot of people agree this could beheltattran horse. there are some people that do need help. do you prefer thid of the creation of safe havens nd syria? mr. pata absolutely. for three years, turkey has been saying cata -f zone

along the turkish border in areas not controlled b isis or al nusra, an al qaeda offshoot. the turks are extremely troubled by russi a iranian involvement to support a side. we have a tremendous opportunity with the anti-extremist zoning and the turks and western europe to create a no-fly zonin nohe syria where the sunni families that are feg thr vecan stay. be safe in syria until seh at some pot e is i ed josh: you brought up the libyan situation. hillary clinton has been before congresshis week. a lot of people consider this a political witch hunt a t is notngewo ar jo: -- mr. pataki: i think there are two things. i understand he politics on both sides. democrats saying we' ve got to defend her and republicans saying let' s see if we can find a smoking gun. forget the pits.

first, the libyan policy that hillary not just supported but convinced the obama administration to implemt a failure. libya is a failed state. we took out qadhafi but we left a void. that void has been filled by radical extremists, al qaeda, isis, other radical islamist groups. libya and syria are the two leading soceofefee her libyan policy is a failure. when you want to be commander in chief, this was her iconic moment in the sun where it was your policy, this really wins her criteria to be standing in chief -- wounds her criteria to be commander-in-chief. the first day this administration, hillary, obama and susan rice, knew that this was not a video.

it cared they knew it was an organized attack. y idhat the next day to the prime minister gy four days and weeks, they went out not just to amicto e rland the u .n. and said it was a video that caused benghazi. the day after the attawh an amecaamssoras edlianovnmt sayit dil last the american government was saying a vid me california. did you ever think you would be able to trust the libyan government but n t an government? that is what those hearings show. to me it is not just about benghazi or libya, it is about character. when you allow americaad to lieo e rld about the source of an attack that killed an american ambaad, inyoare fit to be president of the u.s.

speakership and the house a little bit. mr. pataki: i thought you were going to talk abouth mets. i like the mets. i grew up a yankee fan. i do not want to sound like a politician b iikbo teams. josh: i remember the mets from 1986. let' s ve on. the speakership and the house of john boehner is leaving nobodyee twa this to how important is it that republicans show unity and get som t up the? mr. pa: it is very important. the fact that paul ryan has indicated he is willing and i think he is running is a good thing for the party. we do not have the presidency so when you do not have the presidency -- right now we do not have a nominee -- eventually the nominee wi bth f athe country identifies with the republican party. paul rya thtn.

lines and noju bld consensus among republicans but work with democrats. that is one of the reahe has be rucncbeushe was to see government work. as i do. josh: we will see a lot in new hampshire. mr. pataki: file is a beautiful time to be here. sh the leaves are starting to fall. mr. pataki: i do not mind the winter. i' m the lyanda w c south to get to new mp josh: thank you very much. best of luck moving forward. we will be back with abc news' political director we will look at how joe biden' decisionoto run will impact others. and jeb bush had the best record. billions in pork, vetoed. eight budgets, balanced. and tax cuts every single year.

who has the plan for jobs? jeb. tax cuts for the middle class. eliminates special loopholes. an explosion in growth

and new jobs. jeb: cut taxes. grow america. right to rise usa is responsible for the content of this message. >> while i will not be a candidate, i wilnobet. i intend to speak out clearly and forcefully to influence as much as i can where we stand as a party and where we need to go as a nation. josh: welcome back to "close up ." joe biden taking a pass on the presidential run. it came as a surprise to a lot of his supporters,spy nehashe. we talk about that and the impact with abne' p codiorickln. mr. klein: a lot of people are surprised by this decision. most people expected himo mp into theamigantuedhe key. any idea what happened?

was having conversations tuesday where he was indicin te hwalilyo ve it go. he was testing out a couple versions of the speech wednesday. he can to a concsi a the final hours that it was not workable. i think it was an part personal because he was going through a grieving pce tt very real. i think it is also political pair he was making calculations, can i geit done? is it possible to beat hilry clintoanbe vbl caat the two timelines did not match up the way it needed to hap and he made a decision that he believes is the right on him at ts me >> is there an indication that he simply fe le w t te mr. klei he was getting advice that a moment had passed. if there was a moment, it may have been weeks or months ago. this has been going on publicly since august. perry clinton has been raising money. bernie sande bn isg y. democrats

are excited about the field they saw last week. all this was buildinupe personal agony. it s worth of friends and advisers who wanted tsejobin run. they did a lot of things, setting up t dfty e me a se ssle fundaippat. going as far as to inquire about office spa iwainon as done presuming they knew what he wanted, to make it possible for theicprt toake isecio a lot of people were skeptical. josh: how much does hillary clinton play intthde? she did have a strong debate and most peoe el her poll numbers have stabilize was th authe past and being blocked by a resoug hillary inn? mrkl a realistic politician in joe biden who has known what it takes to run for

before. it was the clinton operation saying publiy cehis t e biden, they were already running agains him. putting pressure on donors to make up eimi o w o other and letting people know about endormes th carolina, even in delaware, trying to block off l oxygen. this would have been a bloodbath of a fighto ve these titans of the democratic pay ng it out is that the way he wanted to w the nomination? clearly there was a very political and rsalec jo: the question now becomes where does the support that joe biden enjoyewi up going? hillary clinton are bernie sanders. do you expect him to weigh in on this? mr. klein: our polling has suggested a goes to ar clinton. this puts her back in a commanding natiol ade pos. most people on the establishment side would bchsi bwe estw there' s a school of thought th there ulbe hla

caatd anti-hillary candidate. does this give bernie sanders shot at ear gains now that it is clear what the field is. i do not think joe biden is in a position where he' s likely to endorse. i think he' s going to play the statesmen of the party. i don' t think he has any great affection for lly clinton that he would feel the need to get in on her behalf. i think he and president obama are likely to stay for the most part on the sidelines en it comes to politics. policy is otr tt. biden is going to get involved where he thinks appropriate. i think joe dese h ntasasd. josh: we also had another democrat job out of the presidential race, former rhode island governor ncn ma t aouemt at a dnc event friday. he has struggled to raise money and boost the polls. he only brought in $11,000 ts most rent quarter. he had trouble gaining traction against inn d sanders.

jim webb also dropped out. the field is set and we are going to see how it shakes out in the home stretch of the primary run on the democratic side of things. we will see what happens. that will wrapp isdi of "close up new hamhi thank you for watching. we will be bacne wk. until then, the patriots. have a great sunday. [captioning performed by the national capong stut icisesnsleorts captntt d cucy vincrg do you think when you are president you'll be paid as much as if you were a man-male... this is one of the jobs where they have to pay you the same. but there are so many examples where that doesn't happen. i'm going to do everything i can to make sure every woman in every job gets paid the same... ...as the men who are

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