i understand and there are the political credits due to the president. after all the decision is his, but this has been an ongoing professional process, and whether it was jimmy carter, bill clinton, reagan, bush or whatever, all presidents have to deal with the process that happens to take an action. it's not just he gets the credit or the blame for the success or the failure, but we shouldn't ignore the fact that there are professionals that have spent almost a decade tracking osama bin laden. . >> i think one of the challenges welcome to "our world with people accused obama of not having been aggressive enough on black enterprise. "i'm your host, marc lamond terror, he wasn't following the bush plan. >> most of his policies have hill. >> the death of bin laden marks followed exactly what came out the host significant achievement of the bush administration with to date in our nation's effort the war on terror. to defeat al qaeda. he's followed the war time >> what's what's going on in policy which comes from the "our world" starting now. professionals. >> does that frustrate you at all? >> no, the president has done what he said he would do. he always supported the war in afghanistan. he said as a candidate that he would double up, redouble our efforts, win the war in afghanistan and that he would

joining me to discuss the get osama bin laden. rapidly shifting political tides he took a different tack in iraq and how it might impact you are where he said i disagree with mark moreale of the national the iraq war and i'm going to urban league, dr. marty merry of wind thus down out of that fwar. princeton university and author of the new book "more beautiful it's important to analyze this and more terrible, the embrace in a promises made, promises and transcendence of racial kept analysis, and i sort of inequality in the united states" look at what the president has and david webb, coparty of the undertaken as just fulfilling what he said he would do as a tea party 365. this is an interesting moment. candidate. >> mark you need to be accurate about this, though, because the ei are a little bit beyond this plan was, the plan to wind down historical webb where barack the iraq war was negotiated obama comes on television and between joseph brennan and nuri announces osama bin laden has been killed. al maliki during the bush >> the united states has administration. this is the problem i have with conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden, the separating policy. leader of al qaeda, and a >> we give george bush some terrorist who is responsible for credit. >> no, but this is about being the murder of thousands. accurate. this plan was in place before >> i saw celebration in the streets. i saw democrats and republicans barack obama was president. all in agreement. it was part of the military does this signify a new decision and this is why i said political moment? >> obama got osama and what it we cannot just include political does, it's a bit of a return to without including the process. >> but i'm not going to let you what the mood of the country was after 9/11, when i think there

was a unifying sense and a sit here and diminish the unifying force that the tragedy president's contribution. >> i'm not trying to diminish created that and there's a bit it. i'm adding to the fact it needs of closure, particularly for the to be fully correct. >> let the professionals, there 9/11 families with osama bin is' no doubt the military but laden being killed by those navy under the constitution the president is the commander in chief of the military. and so he has to make the s.e.a.l.s in pakistan so i do ultimate decisions and so i, you think -- the question is how long will it last and will it be know, will offer credit but what this is really all about is too only momentary or is it a sense that the nation is better off if many people sought to diminish we're unified in purpose. >> david, i mean, you are a barack obama's foreign policy credentials, sought to diminish conservative, i mean -- >> um-hum. >> i haven't heard a whether he was committed to conservative yet deny this was taking out osama bin laden, so the right mission. are there any critiques of what he basically did is he obama's approach? >> look, it's a unifying thing, answered the question and the i agree with you. question has been answered and there are issues outside of the debate should be over. race, outside of politics. osama bin laden's a murderer, a >> this part of the conversation mass murderer, who is certainly because i have to responsible for the deaths of change gears a little bit. tens of thousands across the one of the things mark mentioned earlier was the idea of promises world, and thousands of americans. i don't think you'll find any kept, he made promises and kept rational person saying this was not the right thing to do. them. amani, my concern and the concern of many people is he >> hmm. i see you chomping at the bit

already, please. >> right, this is a unifying hasn't made so many promises to black people. moment. i think it does provide some what do you say to that? >> i don't take a position he closure, but i am concerned that there may be a revival of some of the kind of islamaphobia and has to make responsibilities to black people because we voted for him in overwhelming numbers. hostility towards, to the muslim the reality is we have crises in world, towards the arab world that we saw in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, and so in black america, crisis in terms this moment, i keep hoping that people remember the kind of, the of health care, imprisonment, education, on and on employment, wave of revolutions that we saw in the middle east and africa right, so we do need those and how we identified with people in that moment and the sort of universal desire for crises addressed in congress, freedom and equult that we saw that exists across borders that state government so it's a mu i multitier critique and it has to transformed our image in that be organized in order to get that response, so yes, i do have part of the world. that critique of the president in the midst of that i want us but not exclusively. to keep that vision of the >> every president has a middle east in mind. >> i guess that's what worries responsibility to the citizenry me sometimes when we close ranks of this nation and i think around something as a nation sometimes we do that at the particularly the most vulnerable exclusion of somebody we consider the other, whether it's citizens to i give the president an arab, muslim or mexican credit, he's stepped up in civil immigrant. sometimes our fears and the things that bring us together rights laws, made a lot of

are very dangerous, you know, important appointments to the david? >> i understand and i agree with courts, his executives helped to that but in this case and i have get the nation out of a ditch but the unfinished business of followed the news reports very closely on this, i have yet to more targeted focus on those see any back lash against areas where the unemployment muslims. rate is the highest so my i mean both presidents obama and encouragement to the president bush made it clear this was not has been to articulate an urban a war on islam, that as a matter policy, to articulate a policy of fact both have made that is more focused on those statements to the fact that osama bin laden does not reflect areas -- >> in urban policy an the muslim faith but is an interesting idea. i want to push back to you marty aberration, which is what he is or was. before david. seems like he can't say our >> but i think it's also got to be said and you know, these are names, even president clinton, not moments when we should rush george bush could say i have an to engage in hard political agenda for black people, middle analysis, but i do think that class, gay and lesbian brothers, this demonstrated a quality about president obama, in effect jewish brothers and cyst sisters. this president as a black president doesn't seem to say our name. why is that? he spoke or walked softly and he >> i don't know why that is, but it is the case that there are carried a big stick. this operation was in the race-specific issues. planning stages for months and it's not simply that, it's not months and months, but at the simply that black people are end of the day, the person that disproportionately poor although had to make the decision to sign they are but even if you control the order was barack obama, and for class the discrimination that african-americans so i want to certainly give the experience is greater in president credit for a great

consumer purchases, in health sense of determination, and the care, in education, i mean in way indeed in by it was handled every area we have evidence that and i don't think that ought to shows there is active dominate the discussion but it certainly has to be said because discrimination even when circumstances are identical. many people questioned whether >> amari some of the issues, the president had the determination to make these sort of calls. i think he demonstrated that not economic job issues, housing, only he did but he succeeded. there are issues around racism let's remember, jimmy carter sought an intervention to free the hostages. structurally you talk about in it did not work. your book, white person versus ronald reagan sought a missile strike to take out gadhafi many black person. >> because we see that people years ago. practice racial inequality, i bill clinton had an unsuccessful don't use racism but we see intervention at the branch people disadvantaged on the davidian compound. barack obama has succeeded in basis of race in employment, in housing, in health care and undertaking a highly risky but education, it's not simply because black people are more very important effort. likely to be poor, more likely >> shortly after taking office i in areas of concentrated poverty that we get limited access, directed leanne pa nnetta the people disadvantaged when you go director of the cia to make the to the doctor you're less likely killing or capture of bin laden to get nessary tests if you're the top priority of our war black. so we need to have some policy against al qaeda even as we initiatives that begin to help continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle and defeat us control our practices in

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welcome back. we're still here with mark moreal, dr. amari perry and david webb. we're talking about the president and this birth certificate issue. for the last two years, three years, before he was president people were raising questions about the president's citizenship. since he's been elected president the questions lingered to the point where he had to show the long birth certificate, the full birth certificate, the hawaiian certificate. >> it's absurd, disingenuous. those who veiled it have racism, it's a weapon of mass distraction when we ought to be talking about jobs, we ought to be talking about schools, we ought to be talking about what we need for the future of this nation. it's become a side show. >> no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest

than the donald and that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter, like did we fake the moon landing. what really happened in roswell? and where are biggie and tupac? >> i'm saying that because you remember tupac? you are where they are. >> let me say this. there are for every president if we go back in history fringe elements that go after them on something, all right, whether it's bush monkey picture, reagan this, clinton this whatever. the birthers are out there on the fringes. the one thing i'm happy about -- >> you don't question the question's citizenship. >> i don't question the president's citizenship but it's now frankly except for the extreme elements off the table. the one good thing about donald trump and this whole whatever

did, it brought it out and now it's been shown and now we can get back to the policies because i'm focused on the policies. as far as the extreme elements i have a hard time calling people racist and throwing that word around easily unless there's specific action that tells me they're a racist. that's a problem i have with not just the white/black dynamic but any dynamic. >> i think it was patently offensive and i agree it was absurd, ridiculous, clearly it was established long ago that he's a citizen and it smacked of racism because it's consistent with this idea that we're always being questioned, right, that our legitimacy, skill, along with the attacks on his academic record that were completely unfounded. it was his transcript and the dynamic that that creates is kind of collective sense of frustration and humiliation, even when you're the president of the united states, you still experience this kind of

questioning, and so for me it was infuriating but also revealed about the persistence of racism. >> this infurgs should have happened in may of 2000 with the boston globe and "the washington post" and bush and the gores grades which were actually put out by them -- >> when they were running for president. >> when they were running, and after and also same thing with john kerry and the boston globe in 2005 when they obtained transcripts and put them out, confidential transcripts. my point with that is you cannot continue to say this is a one-off and one only. >> no, but the request for transcripts, requests not simply for transcripts, he said that he assumed that he was an inferior studen studen student,notwithstanding the fact he went to harvard law. there's no question he was -- >> when you have someone a self-proclaimed billionaire. >> donald trump.

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