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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation", i am johned now by cbs news chief white house correspondent, major garrett who is on the campaign trail

news congressionalordes isxd covering the democrats. they are both in des moines this morning. nancy i want to start with you, hillary clinton has been working hard in iowa for a very longction, how is that going to pay off for her at the end? >> i think what it means, john, is that her campaign knows exactly who they need to get to many people. they need to get to caucuses. they have been working on this not just for the past year, but really for the past eight years if you think about it, they havewledge from the clinton campaign back in 2008, the obama campaign back in 2008, which was victorious here, all of those people, all of thosen her campaign here in iowa. and i think beyond that, when we tand i think beyond that, when we alk about the fact that person standard has, bernie sanderses has a lot of his lessen theus yasm for hillary clinton i think in part because people have known for such a long time that she was running

as any iow know about her and they made their minds about her one way or the other .. a lot of supporters told us in iowa, yeah i like hillary her, i don't need to go to one of her events because i already know what she is about and i heard her three times the last time she ran. >> dickerson: that makes bernien the block in iowa, if that's the case and bernie sanders does well on monday, why will we have done well? >> he will have done welln a surge of young voters who fulfilled their promise to get out and caucus, who beat the statistical odds and came out in larger numbers do. he has been saying for several days, like a broken record, i will only win if turnout is larger than normal. there ishe is saying that. he is saying to his supporters look it is not enough to love my message and not enough to come

have to go to the caucuses of a heavy lift, especially for young people, it is not like going to vote in a primary, you go there for two hours, you talk to your really requires a great deal of devotion and an understanding of how the system works, and so his campaign is trying to educateve been putting out videos online, they are offering to drive them from their college towns back to their hometowns to caucus. the question is, how many of these young people will take him? >> dickerson: all right. on the question of turnout, major garrett let's go to the republicans now, the guys at the top of the polls is donaldf turnout, is he going to be able to convert that enthusiasm from the percentages? >> john, the central question for the trump campaign is iowa caucus by making politics for lack of a better word with fun? there is a showmanship like quality to the trump rallies, the crowds form long before the patiently, these are people who are not typically involved in politics,

at all of his jokes and after yard the line is actually rap rouse and clinton in, i sge biceps with a bandana on the head and got an autograph from trump and walked away almost in tears, that's the kind of reaction that trump elicits, so that is all great for trump and of politics but this is a ground game operation in iowa, i have net people who tell me they are either precinct captains or making phone calls for trump but they done it before, they haven't made as many phone calls as the campaign would like, so the bottom line question is, does all of this energy translate to caucus trump people believe in the end it will, and it will come not just from republicans, but from some democrats who have been drawing the trump message.ut ted cruz, then he has been in neck and neck race with trump. tell competent about his organization. >> all right. so trump is fun. ted cruz,i mean by fundamentals? identifying and i mean really

level, tea party enthusiasts, social conservatives, thethey? the most reliable voters in iowa's republican caucuses over history. the cruz campaign has spent months identifying these voters, sending them not. >> one or twot sometimes three or four in the same day, all about issues they care about. cruz events are much quieter, there is much greater conversation about the crisis of you need someone who is a true believer, who has walked with you, who has all the, who has all the convictions you share because that is what they believe will iable voters to all of the caucus sites all around the state, 99 counties more than 1,600 precincts and they believe by taking care of mike huc forum and rand paul, all competitors for these voters, they are well positioned to pull a surprise over trump come monday night. >> dickerson: nancy among the democrats you have been outg them, give us a little flavor for what is different about hillary clinton event and a bernie sanders event.

has always been a retails you know, voters want to get to know their candidates, they want to shake their hand, look them in the eye, talk to them. bernie sanders is not a retail kind of guy. he gets upes his speeches. the audience is moved, they love listening to him, he is clearly very passionate, they find him very authentic, but then he left. he is not the type to stick around and glad hand, and take a selfie, but they don't really seem to mind, in fact, i haveallies where they literally sort of part and allow him to walk past and exit, and because they he is there to sort of talk about these issues, they have been waiting to hear about the, it for a long time but he is not really, you know, one on one type of guy. hillary clinton, the exacther events may be smaller, they may be a little less raucous, but she six around for sometimes

rope line, shakinglking to people about their problems, offering to take selfies with them and asking them point blank, i really need you to come out and caucus.rea where she seems to be far more comfortable and yet even though they have these very, very differentand he can in the polls. >> dickerson: major, finally to you, the third place finish may matter a lot in iowa. it looks like rubio is going to finish there? >> that'snd the rubio camp is very good about that and sort of an interesting question, when does third place equal first? well when with the first place finisher is third place andnstream republicans or so-called establishment republicans. that's where rubio wants to land. the most recent poll has himt with internal rubio campaign data and believe they can bet to 17, 18 percent here, the crowds in the closing days have been getting larger and ladies and gentlemen of the m on the ground and for rubio's campaign it is all about the distance between ever

establishment or mainstream alternative, a lot of distancee, john kay situate, kasich jeb bush here because they believe that will translate to momentum into new o he in nernl south carolina as the alternative to ted cruz or donald cruz. >> dickerson: nancy cordes and major garrett, out on the campaign trail, thanks to bothe welcome. >> dickerson: we will be right back with our politics panel. >> x evening, sir. hello!

and we are back with our panel.

journal" columnist, kim strassel, ben domenech is publisher of the federalist, easy sez the editor of vo g.comed o'keefe covers politics for the "washington post". >> finally voting is going to happen. >> finally. >> dickerson: what are we going to learn even? >> maybe the million dollarson dollar question because it is donald trufer is what marriage was talking about, does he have an operation out there? are the people who are lining up for five hours to get tickets, are theys goardz? and if he, it is particularly interesting because we had numbers out this week where people had they, has theed you and who. >> they say they have been contacted by the cruz campaign, even by the bush campaign, by the rubio campaign, not so many people said that trump had >> dickerson: they are all reaching out to him, though. >> yes, they are. >> dickerson: ezra, what do you make, what are you looking for out of iowa? >> i am actually watching rubio,o be trump or cruz running through what people are calling the

are hot exactly sure what is going to happen with the moreans, i think for a long time the conventional wisdom has been some point rubio will break out of the pack so now there is this feeling he is surge ago little by at the end in iowa, as i saidybe gets to 17, 18 percent, if you get a very strong third in iowa and goes into new hampshire you could begin to see the establishment coalesce around here, aney to his campaign and republicans who are afraid of cruz or trump go to him if not you will have the same dynamic you have had for some time now where you have rubio, and kasich and potentially a couple of others all fighting for same lane in the primary and no real ability for the establishment to unite. >> but rubio's problem isrump actually has the most support among moderate and mainstream republicans, they support, this is actually cominga3 from the conservative wing of the party, it is coming mohream which is more of a challenge from him, i

learn ore the, over the course of the next couple of weeks, not just iowa, is donald trump'se pat buchanan who won four of the first six contests in 19 1996 or more like the 19th century and the bourbon the gold standard and free trade and riding with kim at the "wall street journal" today and then saw william jennings brian come along and take over the party is with a speech, which i thinktablishment and those in the mainstream and the elites of the party very afraid. >> dickerson: because william james had a terrible e. go ahead. >> well, the other thing though here too is you talk to any of the candidates out there, the other cane other than donald trump, they are eager for a one-on-one march with donaldight. i mean,, no they really do think he is beatable. and i think this goes to ben's point is that he seems to have a feeling, honest support he is republicans but there is a limit to the number he gets. >> you have been spending a lot of time with the nontrump and

hampshire. slowly, lonely and quiet.tle bit, because they need to find their moment or it may pass them. >> that's why none of them will of rubio will be in iowa tomorrow night. kasich has been in new hampshire all weekend, chris christie and jeb bush get to new hampshire tomorrow, those three guyspshire really as their last stand, bush to some extent has operations in the other states and probably has the money to keep going, but the other two certainly, theying ifish well in new hampshire they are done and go home, i think back to ezra's point if rubio has a good night in iowa on monday i think the clamoring fortting out, foretelling the jeb bush super pac quit hitting rubio and focus more on consolidating between one or two of these guys will really stepe seen a lot of that in the last few queens and calls for the jeb bush pack to back off and their argue it argument is working because it is keeping him down in iowa and new ham starts to creep up with about

>> so what do you make of, ann mentioned of those voters who think the system is rigged, donald trump, the wealthiestning is getting the most of that vote on the republican side, why do you think that? >> i think it is general confinely court appeal, if you watch trump's counter rally as i line in the middle of it, and you can go back and look at the transcript and find it, he says, i am really greedy, i am a reallybeen greedy all my life and now i want greedy on behalf of america. and there is something the perfect in encapsulation of the think what is going on, the economy has become unfair, if you are struggling for, if you are economically struggling and rich guys like trump are kind of have been for some time now, and now here comes one of those rich guys with all of those powers and all of that capacity to rig the economy in their favor and he isig it in your favor, i think, kind of it is an indictment of a belief of what is going in the economy right

is someone to rig it in theirnk it is very, very significant as part of his appeal and it is an appeal he understands about himself, which is one reason he is such a goodrson: having been there myself i was in the rafters and what is stunning is talking to veterans who at the event beforehand i said superintendent he taking advantage of you guys? and they all advantage of veterans but he is putting money behind it and the other guys only ask them to spend money in washington and on their behalf to help the v.a. and drag their feet and don't do it, this guy is going to raise money and if you look, 6 million he says raised and from his friends in new york and las vegas that night but 22across the country who are going to get this money, apparently, they are very small, they are in iowa and in massachusetts, all over, and i mean he can say to them i took advantage of my the money and help you. >> this courts to his appeal in she a trader to his class which really is, you know, something

and enormously pper sticker. >> it is donald trump. exactly and in that -- that makes hillary very pacific and very powerful but also a sign of a situation where the republican party has aid to address there out of step with significant portion of their -- 0 of the voting electorate when coat top the issues of immigration and foreign policy and when it comes se core sort of the economy is rigged in a way that does not benefit us, and now in the end comes with promises to rig it in your favor and a message that is connecting>> what is your feeling about ted cruz? if he doesn't win iowa is that a fatal blow for him? where is his place in this? >> i think the stakes for both donald trump and ted cruz are because they have staked so much on iowa, and ted cruz, in particular, his entire message has been, geared toward saying i am the most the race and he tailored it very specifically to that the grass roots activists there and the tea parties and the evangelicals, so if you can't win iowa where do you win? yous going to be

doesn't come out on top going into new hampshire and no one wants to go into new hampshire with a negative >> there is a point though i think it is an interesting question about trump, you are asking him a -- his entire campaign is based on this idea he is a winner, he brags about it on the about his high poll numbers, and something that really fascinating to watch him if he loses an early primary like iowa does it collapse on himself, the fact he is not a winner and beat by ted cruz how much does that hurt the fundamentals of his appeal and also how does he react to that? because you can act very badly to a loss.ike to lose. >> no. it would make the loss a lot more likely. >> that may be a packet too hard to get around. >> ben, quickly on the fight oncruz and rubio on the debate and afterwards does that illuminate anything about immigration in guys fighting? >> i think it is just two guys fighting and i am not sure got hurt that much or benefited that much from their responses to those

i think the problem that has really dogged marco rubios that the last thing that republican voters know about him is that they supervisor forked the gang of eight bill and i think that is something that is fundamental and sort of easy to explain in a way that cruz's flip flop onf amendment issue is not as easy to explain, the question is whether that is still as big of a drag rubio can't get momentum coming out of iowa in southern states and sort of in tests that's something we will find out. >> very quick, it is a long-term problem, to have two cuban republican americans continue toon, hispanics are listening, democrats are listening, if one of them emerges it will be a huge problem for them. >> and we we hope you will all be listening as a we take a break.of the

sanders,. >> and we are back with ourrt with you on the democrat side. some people who supported hillary clinton said they really wanted her to have a challenge in the primary. she got one. in iowa and what do you look for there?

there is a replay in a way a in an argument that happened inclinton is much more of a political realist than domestic people who run for president, barack obama that promised hope and change and promised there was a way toom the political system, such to be friendly to progressive priorities, he won with that argument, and there was a period of time in the interim when liberals with so disappointed byrustrations with republicans that people thought clinton's argument this is going to be a fight, that democrats needed a fighter, there would be trench warfare, had gotten moreiberals and what sanders is showing this is not true he comes in the argument with a political evolution, a way to mobilize the working class and mobilize the progressive majority andold ways out of the way in american politics and i think there are things clinton is figuring out how to sell a more realistic but also more depressing vision of americanespond to that by saying, that that is not realistic but i don't have an

either. >> right, right. >> one of the most interesting er the course of the past couple of years is it became okay to be a democratic socialist in america. in the sense that this was not something -- bernie sanders when he was in the house ofwas someone on the extreme and under, understood as being on the extreme yet something changed in america and it changed in large part because of the rise of the young group of americans whono memory of the cold war, they do not associate socialism with communism or the soviet union or anything of that nature, there is an interesting poll that came out a few months ago that askedlds who they would be okay with voting for, 69 percent of people under 30 there is gallup said they would be okay voting for a socialist for the presidency, compared toaid they would be okay voting for an evangelical christian that's a dramatic shift compared to previous generations and that's the kind of support bernie is tapping into.inton wins in iowa and new hampshire does that mean the democrats are making a sensible choice about what it

>> they are probably maybe ago a nominee that would have. >> have a better chance of beating a republican, i think everyone probably agrees with this, that there is a lot of enthusiasm for bernie standardse some of these head to head matchups with republicans .. he does do fairly well against some of them, but i think maybe when his positions are better known in the country,ntry really ready to go there? possibly not and that is probably on the minds of a lot of democrats who are going out to vote. >> and what do you think -- let's play it through some scenarios new hampshire have a lot more liberals than my of the other contests so let's imagine bernie sanders rides this wave of enthusiasm and wins in those two places, how much damage hillary clinton? >> well he certainly has momentum, in fact he probably raised a little more money in south carolina and some of those states looking more seriously atourse he has all, sanders, he has more money to deploy my people in iowa and those places, but the coalitions

other states change dratalked about in before that iowa, new hampshire and vermont are the most liberal states of the country, everywhere else is not nearly as liberal and white a lot of thosel live in these other places, a lot of democrats who are much more pragmatic and understand having sanders as the nominee would not work and probably will swing back towardhe race, that's why you saw this conversation about debates all the way into may, i mean the fact they are even talking about that suggests if he does pull off wins in both early states,n for quite a while. >> it is worth noting i think that one thing hillary clinton's team has done they did not do in 08 they always have been prepared even with not that much a very long race. >> they felt they lost the 08 race because they did not prepare for a delegate fight in smaller caucus states and they just did not have a strategy that was ready for it tojune and they do this time. >> that's right. her other problem though here and we haven't talked about it is not just the enthusiasm problem, but the e-mail problem. trust thing.

is going into iowa and the