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"sunday morning." despite all the advances in medical science not every disease has a cure. facing a term nail illness some patients say they wish to die at a time and in a manner of their own choosing. it's a wish that triggers an agonizing personal and legal debate, as rita braver will explain in our "sunday morning" cover story. >> brain cancer patient brittany maynard drew national attention when she moved to oregon where she could legally end her life. but that is not allowed in new york where eve eliot's husband was in agony with als, an incurable disease. >> did he say, i need you to help me figure out some way that i can end it? >> yes, he did. >> ahead on "sunday morning." a dying wish and a heated national debate.
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some literary undercover work. specifically, an investigation into what's actually between the covers of some ordinary looking books. lee cowan is on the case. >> countless exhibits of antique books over the years but this collection doesn't involve bound pages or even printed text. >> my collection is only limited by my pocketbook. i would be much crazier if i had a few more bucks. >> the book collector who doesn't really collect books at all. ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: when the call goes out for "the envelope please" at the oscars, she's been waiting for this moment for a good long time. this morning tracy smith will have her story. >> 4 years after she steamed up the halls of ridgemont high,
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for her first academy award. >> do you allow yourself to think abutight. >> i don't allow myself to think what this interview would be like. >> the colorful past and spectacular present of jennifer jason leigh ahead this "sunday>> monkey business is what seth doane has found at a popular tourist spot in japan.ake a bad picture when the subject is monkey bathing in hot spring. >> i'm kind of jealous. >> it's the year of the monkey on the lunarr these guys have it made. >> they are pretty cute. the snow monkeys of japan. later on "sunday morning." >> osgood:ooks back on the life of harper lee. ben tracy has questions for comic actor b.j. novak of office."
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hayden surveys the front lines of the fight against terrorism with david martin. and on the trail again this time in the tunnels at kentucky's ma'am@cave national park. the 21st of february. 2016. hillary clinton withstood asanders to win yesterday's did he have did he have democratic caucus. donald trump won south carolina republicansh finished a distant fourth has dropped out. here is major garrett. >> donald trumprolina repeatedly labeled ted cruz a liar, called pope francis disgraceful and walked away the undisputed front runner for the republican nomination.l never, ever forget south carolina. >> trump garnered more sport
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large and voting block. cruz and marco rubio who surged as the primary approached finishing a vertical tie for second well behind has become a three-person race and we l will win the nomination. >> tonight i am suspending my>> south carolina spelled the edge for jeb bush who ended his bid after three straight poor showings. the people of iowa and new hampshire and southpoken. >> the battle for the g.o.p. nomination now heads to nevada which holds it caucuses tuesday, trump told supporters here he's a pretty good bet to win. major garrett in spartanburg, six. >> osgood: six people are dead, two others injured after a series of random shootings in police say the suspect, a 45-year-old man later -- was caught after a manhunt. justice antonin
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yesterday after a funeral mass in washington. scalia was remembered as a man of faith, family and the law. feels like spring for folks from the colorado rockies to the west coast. but a new storm will soak the northwest. snow over the upper midwest and rain from texas into the midtates. the week ahead a winter storm threatens the east, warm and sunny across the southwest. ahead, don't judge these books
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atient's dying wish is to die on his or her own terms? it's a passionately debated topic within families and within state legislatures. terminally ill are in agreement. our cover story is reported now by rita braver. >> this is theng base. >> as a u.s. marine, j.j. hansonin iraq. but after he got home his life was suddenly in peril.
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started getting this intense feeling. my hands started to shake and start to sweat. wrong with me you need to call 911. >> i got the phone call from the emt saying he had a seizure and nothing but feeling of shock, myhealthy husband was in the hospital. >> after an mri the news got worse, kristen hanson'ss diagnosed with brain cancer. i. >> i had a prognosis of about four months to live. scenario possibly make it a year. >> hanson underwent surgery and chemotherapy. he struggled through nine more seizures while losing his and walk. >> i am thinking, what do i do here? do i continue to fight? do i give up?ving? is it worth going on and feeling this pain.
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>> j.j. hanson found midst of the same daunting struggle as brittany{>k maynard who also suffered from brain cancer. >> i refuse to subject myself and my family tosless, prolonged pain and suffering at the hands of an incurable disease. >> maynard made national news in moved to oregon so she could legally receive a prescription for a lethal combination of pills. >> she vowed to end her life on over the weekend, she did. taking lethal drugs prescribed by a doctor. >> her story inspired a change in her home state.fornia recently became the fifth state to legalize aid in dying. the law will take effect later this year. aay shows
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it almost feels like there was a broken. and suddenly everybody is talking about this. >> it's not toxic.y more. >> barbara coombs lee heads up an advocacy group called compassion and choices. she cowrote the first in thessed in 1994. it enables terminally ill, mentally competent people to ask a doctor for life-ending drugs.t's the individual who initiates a request. who undertakes a number of steps in order to gain eligibility.afeguard very important one that person has to administer the medication themselves. >> but so much law exists in new york state, where the hanson. >> he was like in sanely in love with birds which meant he did not like squirrels.
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home withrasso her husband of more than two decades. >> he was my true, true love. i felt intensely in love with him, immediately. >> but in 1212 her true love aessional painter was diagnosed with als, known as lou gehrig's disease. it's incurable. he quickly lost the use ofs and then control of his entire body. >> to see him not be able to hold a paint brush or a had actually left him is what happened. his life left. he was in his body but his life was gone. and to see him be a prisoner ofy was unbelievably and indescribe antibiotic painful. >> she made an excruciating >> we had talked about it for hours and hours and hours. we had talked about it for hours trying to find a way to help him
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>> with no option in new york state, delgrasso stopped eating and drinking. he died days later from dehydration. terrible prison and it was his own body. i want people to hear this. if you have not had this kind ofn very close to someone who has had this experience, you really can't know. you just can't know.ort at the end of life geography. everyone should be able to feel comfortable at the end of life. >> to make that possible,ee says her team now has set agents sights on new york as the next battle front. >> new york state? >> to take people who have firm beliefs and turn them into eliot's already on board, but there are still many opponents, including folks you
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>> if this is legalized intate, you're going to see immediately the negative outcomes. >> yes, after he briefly contemplated ending his own life, j.j. hanson is still fighting. almost two years after his diagnosis, he's finished his chemo and he heads the patients fund, against aid in dying. why do you feel that you can make this decision for not just yourself but for other people. >> if you have a fullhe united states, people like me will start to look at assisted suicide as their onlys told twice by doctors, your time is done. they told me basically that i was dead. where does your hope go? where does yourve forward. >> the american medical association is an hanson's side. its code of medical ethics
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would cause more harm than good." hanson also fears economic you're looking at someone who is very poor and this is the only alternative they have because their insurance company will not fund theirll, now it starts to become a problem. >> but coombs lee says it's just the opposite. >> the injustice right now is that there isound practice of aid in dying. doctors write prescriptions with winks and nods. but the people who can avail of that are people of wealth, people of stature, people who play government with their doctor. >> in oregon, she says, one biglized assisted suicide works is the fact that a third of those who get lethalven year never end up using them.
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knowing that your husband wouldo get a prescription would have eased the anxiety for you? >> oh, my, god. i would have been souse he would have felt so validated, so understood, so actually taken care of, so he would have felt heard. >> are you superman? >> yes! >> i'm flying! >> but the han sons are focusing not on what might have been butuld be. >> the reason that we felt we needed to speak up and share our story is because we've seen t the odds. and we're afraid for all those people who will hear that direept it. >> osgood: coming up, anment. it beat every single
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take a look at this. now we go undercover. >> if you're lover of books, there's no place like the hushed hallways ofallier club. it's america's oldest and largest society for the exceptionally well read. >> we have religion,ation, photography and travel souvenirs. >> but it's latest exhibit is a page turner of a decidedly different sort. >> my hope is to knock everybody's socks off. ie amaze and inspire. >> mindell dubansky has spent better part of 0 years ruwn shops, ebay and garage sales that aren't filled with paper and ink instead they're filled with surprises.right. >> from leaping wooden snakes to something a little more adult.
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during proceed hi addition. >> she has even few books owned by magicians. >> that is the holy bible hot then they open it and there's out fire. this is a hot book. you can see. >> this is all your collection? >> this is part of my i have about probably maybe 600 or so. it's nuts. crazy. >> in fact she has so many thatbut really aren't invented a name for them. blooks. >> the bloox is contraction of. this has food and candy, household appliances. >> her exhibit is the first of its kind and it's drawing crowds of booknxious to see her collect curiosities often bound with nothing more than imagination. >> it is a sewing box.
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>> in thecret sam camera book from topper toys. included periscope, 16 exposure camera and the ability to shoot rubber bullets. preservation librarian at the metropolitan museum of art, mindy began to think that books that lookedld have place in history. >> it's a celebration of the book as a thing. >> it's a book love show. for me gratitude. >> gratitude for -- books. i love them. it changed my l else -- this little simple thing it's sitting on a shelf, next thing you know your entireormed and you're another person. >> her favorite fake books are the ones that do something. or become something. like this one. the oldest item in her >> it's a portable altar. a catholic altar.
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altar in place where it wasn't >> there's also a book alarm clock from the there's the book with eyes called "the in former." >> what does this do? >> it's a motion detectora security alarm for your house. >> some are clearlyitems and those are mindy's favorites. >> this whole case is exploding books. >> yes, she said exploding. same company that brought us the whoopi cushion. they went off with a bang. or if they were really unlucky some got an electriccare the hell out of one of your friends basically and it's hysterical. >> there are funny titles and funny authors like this one "dusty evky" they all opened to reveal pretty good one
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>> how to save your to save your hair. absolutely guarantee if you use this method you'll never lose your glare because they started out largely as k >> or novelty maybe. >> is it hard to get people to take them seriously? >> i had to have show like this for people to take meut kitsch and historically significant. >> that's what people are responding to. >> why not.n haunted ones, remind us that maybe in this age of digital novels and e-readers that perhaps we're missing>> everybody wants focil books. they're dead. we're going to the book funeral. books are so meaningful to so many people i feel like this is a time to celebrate them in a >> and celebrate them she has. more proof that, yes, books, even fake ones, still matter. >> the world is a tough places a little spot of
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>> that temp agency could have sent you anywhere. >> think about that all the time. >> osgood: become the most famous temp on television thanks to his role in the series "the office."t of the office and in a question and answer session with ben tracy. >> yeah, i'm not a temp any mores that my high school reunion will not say i'm a temp. but a junior sales associate aty firm. that will show them. >> for eight seasons on the hit comedy "the office" b.j. novak howard, the carcass particular and only occasionally ambitious temp.knows more than you. especially me. >> but novak was one of the
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an actor, writer, executive director. >> people keep calling me a wonderkinds. at? >> anything besides this. i don't actually feel multi-talented i just feel that i'm in this business where we give ourselves 100 titles and gold it's like lawyers aren't like, you're incredible. you're a professional arguer in front of of the judge. great at paperwork. you just get credit for one can't do you? anything besides being a lawyer. so i can't do anything besides like coming up with funny stuff sometimes. >> actually he comes up with funny stuff so often thatideas fill notebooks that fill boxes inside his house in los angeles. >> here's an idea for a book called "other people's problems"n their problem anonymously and then it's just collected in a huge
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you're feeling low you can justs book be like, god, i'm glad i don't have those problems. >> this is what you're doing while her people are watching reruns of "law and or most on tie social person. they all think i'm writing about them. even more insulting, nothing to do with you. own head. >> the 36-year-old got to express a lot of the ideas in his head in his 2014 bestort stories called "one more thing." it includes everything from an imagined rematch between the tortoise and the har to, comedyast of nelson mandela. >> you went to harvard, you majored in english and spanish literature. was any of this a bit about showing your academic you really were a writer's writer? >> my father accused me of showing off in the last story. so i'm sense i have to that.
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the opposite of how i approach everything. i think of entertaining people as better than showing off. for me this was just, i how else to say these things. >> but just to make sure everyone knows that novak isort stories might seem pretentious, he fired the first shot. making a book trailer in black in french with his former office company star and one time girlfriend, mindy kaling. >> hi, everybody, it is great to be invited to your school. >> he then wrote another book for a slightly younger audience.as -- "the book with no pictures" is one of those ideas he once wrote down.
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pictures for preschool-age kids. >> i would imagine r in i am. >> that's quite a when it hit the number one spot on the "new york times" best seller list of picture books, i had that framed. in me was very excited to have pulled that off. this says, your name. this book looks serious but it is actually ridiculous. >> the book is cleverley designed to make adults the butt of the joke. they have to say all sorts of silly things. novak agonized over every word of gibberish and the color andnt. you clearly thought about this. you were very hands on. >> i was obsessive, yeah.
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a book that looks like the plainest thing in the world. >> jen money joseph novak was born in newton, medits his love of writing to his father. one of the most famous authors you've never heard of. william novak was thend many best sellers for nancy ray began and lee iacocca. and his job provided b.j. with a that sounds like something he might make up. when you were a child you playedhael jackson. >> not regularly. >> that was one of the many occasionally bizarre things that would happen when your father is a was working on a book that never came out with a businessman that had a partnership, with some charity venture michaelght he said we're going to his house for dinner. i'm told michael jackson will be there. and in the course of the dinner there was a scattergories
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he sang "we are the champions" it was gorgeous. it happens. i don't know. i guess in my stories a lot of, you know, bizarre things just. i grew up thinking maybe something crazy will happen. >> something crazy such as director quentin tarantino and then finding yourself in his 2009 film inglorious bastards.heir nickname will be the little man. >> nothing will than exciting to have your heroes frame you in just thinking about it. >> my heart is beating. it was really the biggest honor i've had. >> yes, sir! >> but novak says performingomedy is still the most formative creative experience of his life.
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i would choose alive. >> stand subpoena how he was discovered for "the office"ests out all those ideas in those notebooks. >> i feel like there's a voice in my head always telling me every idea is brilliant and me every idea is the worst. they argue in my head until somebody wins. until i salute to an audience. his out, is this the best or the worst idea. they tell me. harper lee. and if you have afib - an irregular heartbeat that may put you at five times greater risk of stroke -ther in the heart, forming a clot that can break free, and travel upstream to the brain blood flow and cause a stroke. but if you have afib that's not caused by a heart valve problem, pradaxa can help stop clots
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>> osgood: we taketerary passings this past week both on friday. umberto eco the author of the novel "the name of the rose" died in milan at the age of hope, harper lee passed away in monroeville, alabama, at the age of 89. she made her lasting mark on ago with a single magnificent novel. an appreciation now from anna werner. >> when he was nearly 13 my got his arm badly broken. >> if there is one book you remember reading in school there's a good chance it's "to kill a mockingbird" by harper lee. could identify with scout, the story's narrator, including oprah winfrey. >> i fell in love with scout. i i thought i was scout. >> you ready? >> the pulitzer prize winning novel the 26
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indelible characters of 6-year-old scout and her father, atticus finch. >> t attorney who bravely represents a black man falsely accused of raping a white woman in segregated southern town. it's finch, played by oer gregory peck, who delivers one of lee's most famous lines. >> you never really understand a person until you consider things. >> yes, sir. >> until you climb inside of his skin and walk around in it.ee allow anyone to really sort of climb inside her and walk around? >> no. she really didn't. of people just not reporters. she famously stopped giving interviews in 1964. >> in her documentary author and formerducer examined lee's work and life. >> she never married.
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but she does write about gregory fabulous he is. they did spend quite a lot of time together. >> nelle harper lee was born in the small town of monroeville, her 20s, she helped her childhood friend truman capote investigate a gruesome murder in kansas. the results, sneer in cold blood" lee's friend wayne flint. >> >> i good case for the fact that there would be no "in cold blood" were it not for the. >> in 18957 a publisher had reject another manuscript. the new book, "go set a watchst seller last year. although there were many who questioned if lee, in failing health, had wanted it released at all. >> i did ask her when i saw her in "go set a
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ever think that you would see this published. and she said, of course i did. don't be silly, in a kind of scout feisty way. >> ten years ago harper lee received an honorary degree from notre dame. and whened up their copies of her masterpiece, the great writer's face spoke volumes. >> osgood: coming up. >> right now we discovered moref passageway.
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postcard from nagano. >> sure, they'ret haven't you felt like this? really, who could refuse a steaming hot bath on a cold winter's day. this guy seems so relan't quite keep his eyes open. these snow monkeys come down from the mountains of nagano, japan, seeking warmth. might imagine plenty of humans come seeking them. we made the trek in through a thick forest of japanese cedar a group of flasers led by mark hemmings. >> i'm not much of a wildlife photographer but i'me monkeys because they have such human characteristics. >> his r his day job takes him around the world shooting commercials. but for a decade now, he's also been lrs.
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japan itinerary, of courses seeing these snow monkeys, akas. >> you can tell story just like face. >> this area is called or hell valley. because of the sulfurous, steaming hot springs bubbling underground. the nearby town is known for its hot baths which evidently were drawing more than just tourists. so to avoid scaring off those use them a monkeys only pool was created. throw in a little barley to sweeten the deal and you get bathing never seen it and i live here. >> american philbert ono grew up in hawaii and now lives in the tour. >> this year is the year t monkey. >> this is the year? >> this is the year. >> yes, it's the year of the
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that means monkey-themed anything is big deal in this part of the world. there are mange eye cakes, even specialsplay that really resemble monkeys. but to celebrate it's hard to beat a trip here. >> they have it made. >>m milwaukee first saw these snow monkeys in national geographic. >> we see them relaxing and doing something that we enjoy doing. >> these to bathe during inclement weather and the snow, said mark, makes the perfect backdrop. >> right now we have snow falling. we have overcast skies and that soft appearance for the face, the monkey face. and for us, these are snowman >> you've got it. we have snow. >> monkeys are sacred in some
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in real life they seem most focused on grooming, scraping off lice eggs to be exact which mythical but there's no doubt they're pretty cute. >> you are looking at these as human. >> the human face tells so much just smallest amount of change with the muscle structure. you can see that these these >> almost as though the monkeys are looking back at the shivering tourists questioning evolution, after all, who looks more content at this very moment. >> osgood: next -- the good guys, right? >> i got to tell you this really means to us.
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one way of saying many thanks to special people. steve hartman has just been to a thank you party that was special indeed. usual for police to get called to a party, but what was unusual about this party in lansing, michigan, is that it was in their honor. aou party but on by this most unlikely host. why did you want to do this? >> i'm throwing them thank you party to show appreciate them. >> last year, in the midst of all those police protests, 11-year-old jeremie bordua who a police officer asked his mom, marcella, if he picked the wrong profession. >> he goes, mom, the cops are still the good guys, right? and i said, yeah, bad police officers and still good ones trying to protect themselves. >> jeremie got that but still didn't like the idea of the good being lumped in with the bad. the situation he told
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all he wanted was to throw a thank you party for police, assuming they would come. >> ie would be three or four guys here. >> me, too. >> you, too? >> i didn't know it was going to be this big. >> happy birthday to got out more than a hundred officers responded. and not just from lansing bute of michigan. few tee james revell drove here from georgia. >> i just want to say thank you for doing all that do you for us. >> you'reause he saw not every police officer is bad. we're human beings, that's what he sees in us. >> one person that reallywe truly are out here to do. >> just aren't kids like that. >> gary hall flew in from los angeles. >> i got to tell you, jeremie, how much this really means to and how -- how humble you are. >> the kid had no idea the depth
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>> >> but he was about to find out. >> you're a good boy. >> thank you. >> see to, help make all this happen, jeremie not only gave up hissents as well. so in appreciation for that sacrifice, the lansing police department made him an honorary member of their real uniform right down to the badge. >> i'm going to pin this badge on you, okay?s time jeremie wasn't sure he wanted to be a cop. but now he is unwaivering. >> if you pulled me over can i get out of my speeding and incorruptible. >> probably not. >> osgood: just ahead. >> the idea that tarantino would call up. >> didn't seem like reality that was going to happen. >> osgood: oscar nomineeee.
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leigh won fans, but no oscars for her role in the 1982 film "fast times at ridgemont high." fast forward to next sunwhen she'll be awaiting the call for the envelope please. tracy smith now on the make. >> in quentin tarantino's big screen western epic "the hateful eight" there are plenty of familiar faces. said the job is supposed to be easy. >> and one you might not have seen for awhile.s a prisoner on her way to be hanged and you can tell that it hasn't been an easy trip. >> the way you look in that you describe it? >> she's had a rough go. she has a black eye. her face is scratched up and bruised. and i day of shooting just taking a picture and sending it to my mom saying,
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>> much of the movie she's russell a bounty hunter. usually to her face. >> a manok a high did i in a low well. >> it really is a fun job. i mean, what we get to do isd of think that you'd be a little sick of kurt russell at this point. >> never. >> look at your face. >> i handcuffed to him to be quite honest. just the best guy. >> one of them fella is not what he says he is. >> what is he?h this one. >> at 54, jennifer jason leigh never dreamed she'd be inarantino and she never, ever thought she would hear these words. >> the performance by actress in supporting role the nominees
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>> if that weren't enough. leigs the title character ofture film "anomalisa." >> most people don't like to look at me too much because, you >> iely. >> it took us three days to voice it took them two years to actually make the movie. because at best, they shot two>> two seconds a day? >> if they had a good day. >> that's wild. >> incredible. the sex scene alone took six months. >> a? >> yes. >> six month puppet sex scene. >> do you allow yourself to oscar night will be like? >> i didn't allow myself think what this interview would be like. >> an oscar nod is a bigr any actor especially one who
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was all but over. in the '80s andjason leigh was a fixture on the big screen. >> you got to be kidding. >> she was a total nut case at bridgette fonda's creepy copycatn "single white female." >> watch out -- >> easy tough ough talking reporter who packed a wallop in "the hudsucker proxy." >> i fall in love with married men. >> she was at her droll, best as writer and poet dorothy parker. >> i write two because it's a do-dad kind of >> but her career really began in 1982 at ridgemont high. she was happy to be working butprised. jennifer jason leigh thought
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>> i grew up in hollywood, it that's what people did when they grew up. it didn't seem like some far away dream or something like, could that happen? people do when they grow up. there was a naivety to that, obviously, but that worked in my favor. >> how so? >> because it didn't seem >> she was practically born into it. her bad was vic morrow of the '60s tv series now 34506 out. >> he was killed in a tragic accident on a movie set just three weeks before "fast times at ridgemont high" was released. her mother, actress and writer would take young jennifer to new york city for theater and lunch here at a manhattan landmark that is now the leopard at destistes. >> very special memories about
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>> the murals are still vivid.eer would be just as colorful. >> i'm not going to show you a good time. >> i'll show you the time ofhe was widely praised for her work as a hooker in 1989 last ex it to brooklyn. and as another hooker in "miami blues" jennifer jason leigh could play a fallen woman as well as anyone. >> i came uponnment weekly article where they called you the meryl streep of bimbos. >> really? that's hilarious.nk of that. the meryl streep of bimbos. >> i'll be the meryl streep of anything. >> just be there for me. >> in recent years her career cooled off a bit.d and divorced writer director, gave birth to a son and resigned herself to the idea
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over. hadn't been working that much. i was feeling like, you know what, i've had really good run. i've worked with incredible directors. i've made movies that i'm really >> was that the end of your acting career? >> not the end. i wouldn't say the end. i was writing more and remember actually my brother-in-law was like, you know, all it takes is a call from like quentin tarantino for everything to turn around. >> he used that name? >> i laughed. seemed so -- not impossible but how many movies does he make, how many times are there going to be a part that i could be right for? >> thentin tarantino would call you up say, hi, come audition for me. >> it isn't seem like reality that was going to happen. then it happened. and now the oscar nomination
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is finally allowing herself to actually would love to make a movie that my son could go see and my nieces could go see. >> not going to see "hateful >> not going to see "anomaliseof your movies? >> i mean, i'm trying think. can you think of one? >> no. >> so, i would like that experience. think that this just makes a lot more things possible for me. >> and that's pretty cool. >> yeah. amazing. >> osgood: next, on the trail to mammoth cave national park. eans. i am his sunshine. i am his advocate.
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conor knighton is on the trail to many of our parks during this centennial year of the national park service. this morning he has the low down on mammoth cave national park.here's a lot to see at mammoth cave national park. it's just not always that easy to see it. little light and an entire underground world is illuminated. a world millions of years in theng formed a drop at a time top. located just beneath the hillsentral kentucky, maim hot cave is mammoth. it is by far the longest known cave system in the world. >> we'vee than
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about twice as long as second longest cave on planeter.alking forever. >> there's no end in sight. >> long before ranger david kem was leading tours at mammoth early visitors were using candle smoke to memorial liesips. >> back in the 19th century was very famous tourist attraction. only the wealthiest people l could afford to be here. being able to leave your mark were here was a status symbol. >> at the time, mammoth was privately owned and as the cave's reputation grew, so did its profits. stream of visitors prompted nearby farmers to take another look at the holes in their back yard. >> you get paid by building aing a few lanterns, telling some stories underground. people were willing to do it. >> trains brought some of the first tourists to cavehe introduction of the automobile, everything changed.
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now suddenly longer where you go on your tour. >> today the drive into mammoth is a quiet, scenic yourrs ago it was anything but. it was time known as the kentucky cave wars. owners of nearby caves trying to direct a bit of mom mammoth's traffic in their direction. >> you are getting hit everyon. there were booths along the road. they were expected to approach every car. >> signs promising official cave information were designed tors headed to mammoth at were similar sounding cave names like could lossal cavern. >> you figured it out the family of renowned cave ex floorer floyd collins.
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that's where floyd was lacking. his wasthe road. he had to create the road. >> floyd set out to discover a new cave one at the beginning of the road. but while exploring -- on0, 1925, collins was pinned by a falling rock. he was trapped underground. for the next 18 days the storytucky caver looking to make a better life for his family captivated the nation. >> his entrapment became a worldwide storuld be argued one of our first nationwide news stories. january and february of 1925 the whole nation watched. radio was new.everal times so they could listen to what was happening in to old floyd down in kentucky. >> floyd never made it out of the cave. he died just before rescuerseach him.
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the brave explorer. ave country a movement began to ensure sha something like this wouldn't have to happen again. >> they wanted to see something done about. this they wantedbe remembered the way that they had remembered it before all this ugly stuff had started. and so they wanted it protected. >> finally in 1941, mammoth declared a national park. the park service later bought up some of the surrounding caves which it turns out were actually part of mammoth all along.arks 2090th anniversary of organized tours at mammoth. not much has changed.
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hayden pits his views on the line in david martin. >> obviously that's the field. >> football fans know that stadium as the home of thers. former cia director mike hayden sees something else down there as well. >> see all that parking lot?ood home. >> steelers may have paved over hayden's working class neighborhood but the city of pittsburgh made up for it by naming a street after him.ho rose to the top of american intelligence. >> you have been in the middle of just about every controversial intelligence the first decade of the 21st century. what did you learn? >> both the power and the limitsence. >> the only man to head both the national security agency with
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hayden's memoir is called "playing to the edge" where the power of intelligence meets the limits of the law. >> going out there and stealing information we are not otherwise entitled to. we do it to foreigners, not our own citizens, they're protected by our constitution. but there stealing other people's secrets. >> you use the whole field. you take it all the way to theife long steelers fan he used their practice field to make his point. >> we are playing right up to the line and we knew it.hs after 9/11 hayden set up an operation called stellar wind, under which nsa eaves dropped on americansating with terrorists overseas. >> you've got a moral responsibility to use all of the authorities that you've been given, and that is especiallyhink you're in a national emergency like we were after 9/11.
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after 9/11, another operation on the edge. >> there aren't many otherth who believe the american legal theory for targeted killings. that we could use unmanned aerial vehicles for prevision strikes outside ofaccept theaters of conflict. i'm very happy with it, content with it, legally and morally. >> as head of the cia from 2006 to 2009, hayden had to approve those drone strikes. he remembers one in particular against abu khabab al masri ab maker and chief of al qaeda's wmd program. >> we had him, quote, you can quote, within our sights.rs of his family. he actually had a grandson sleeping near him and so as part of our intelligence contribution to the o engineering what weapons could be used, what's the probability of kill for those weapons. and it was going to be a very
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we could kill the target and grandson. we did everything we could. >> and? >> we failed. we killed him but the grandson you can live with that? >> i can. and i can say i can without any sense of being cavalier. too. >> that's a long road for a catholic altar boy to travel but he can still go home again and hobnob with his old junior high coach, dan rooney, chairman of the pittsburgh steelers. >> so you spotted this guyim real early. >> tucked away behind six super bowl trophies is a wall of steeler greats.ike hayden who helped with the team's equipment. >> 35 years later he becamenal security agency, right in the middle of the information revolution. nsa, which had sent the 20th
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the air, started stealing information from other countries' computer networks. >> it was sitting there for the taking, if yout get there to grab it. >> the image of nsa is ling >> right. >>u're talking about >> right. >> that's night and day. >> it is. i agree with you. >> you're going from breaking and entering. >> you bet. >> last year when china hacked into the office of personnel ma information of millions of government employees, u.s. officials treated as an outrage. to hayden it was a nifty piece of work. >> if i could have done thatlse, against china, while i was director, i'd have done it in a heartbeat. no shame in that. >> here it comes, did you? >> no.eard about fit we had. but we would have if we had the
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>> once you get inside alike it's like once you get inside a house you can do anything you want. >> that's right. once you're in a network you can of other things to that network. it's just that nsa doesn't have the authority to do that. >> nsa does not have thenstance to, crash the computers which run another country's air defense system. that's an act of war. the job of the u.s. military. so in 2005, nsa directorwho also happened to be an air force general, became the first head of what is today called cowboyer command. >> somebody's been working on thesepons. was that you? >> yeah. we were developing ways to do things and so we created this stable of weapons.ns. you're out there stockpiling cowboyer weapons. >> yeah. >> can you tell me about anyks that you pulled off?
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because this is so hideously over classified it's hard for us to have ansion about what it is we are or are not doing. >> let's take down this wall of secrecy. how powerful are 14. >> the problem with cowboyer weapons is not whether or not they're powerful, david, the weapons for a country like ours is the ability to control them. >> the now famous 2010stuxnet u.s. and israel against computers which controlled iran's uranium enrichment ken to networks in more than 100 other countries including the u.s. what is keeping other countries from taking down our networks? >> number one, it's not as easy number two, you have to think why would they want to do that. we are a very powerful nation. i may not be in their interests
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>> what about a terrorist group? >> isn't it interesting. i know of no terrorist groupyberweapon to affect physically destruction, i'm talking about the al qaeda and isis of the world. the idea but they haven't done it yet. >> capability? >> the guys are cybersmart. they use else. you would think within their legions that they would have the talent to do this. i just can't explain why it hasn't happened. >> hayden out of government nownsultant to corporations doing business in the age of terror and cyberattacks. the only time he's in danger of is on the practice field. you may say he's backed away from the edge. 's lactaid. right. 100% real milk, just without the lactose.
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here's a look at the week ahead on our "sunday morning" calendar. monday is national recreational sports and fitness day. a day for getting off the couch and moving.he deadline for motion picture academy members to vote for this year's oscars. on wednesday, leaders from bothsent a congressional gold medal in honor of the 1965 voting rights marchers. thursday is girl day, a highlight of e an industry effort to inspire young women to pursue
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friday marks 1090thhe birth of jackie gleason the comic star of "the honeymooners." how sweet it is. on saturday conference on saving heritage concludes at the university of maryland. on my calendar. i'll be checking into the hospital to get my right knee replaced with a new one. not an in usual procedure these days, nothing to worry aboutit's your knee. so i'll be taking the next few weeks off to get back on my feet, as it were. then i'll be back here again as good as n john dickerson in wash far for look what's ahead on "face the nation." good morning, john. >> dickerson: and speedy recovery to you. today we'll talk toy who is left on the republican side after the south carolina primary. donald trump, marco rubio, ted cruz answer governor johnemocratic side we'll
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y en"face the nation," donald trump rolls on after the showdown in south carolina. and hillary clinton rebounds to score a win in nevada. >> thank you, nevada.on manages to hold off the late challenge from bernie sanders in the silver state as her battle moves forward. >> some may have doubted us butd each other. >> dickerson: the republican
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