"face the nation." campaign 2016 rumbles on and front runners pick up delegates can anything or anyone stop them.t to stop donald trump from winning the republican nomination are running out of option, down to three-man race but is there winning for either john kasich or ted cruz. >> the establish. they don't know what they're doing. they have no clue. they don't know how to win.we'll talk to the only candidate who beat donald

and talk to brand new ted cruz senator lindsey graham. hillary clinton's campaign back on track. plus, insights from florida voters disappointment in the prospect of match up between hillary clinton and donald trump. >> the greatest country on earth right now we're to pick the lesser of two evils. >> dickers captioning sponsored by cbs to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. there was more violence and protests this weekend on the campaign trail. outside phoenix, arizona, protesters blockaded the road rally for several hours. three were arrested. later in tucson, a man who was with woman wearing a kkk hood was trump supporter. and about a thousand anti-trump protesters in new york city marched from central park to

as donald trump seems headed towards his party's nomination. trying to stop that in a more peaceful way is governor john kasich of ohio. we spoke with him earlier.rder for to you get the nomination you'd have to win more than 100% of the remaining delegates so how are you going to do it? >> well, first of all, nobody is going to have theed going to the convention. everyone will fall short. the convention, by the way, is an extension of the political process. sois people will go there with certain number of delegates, we will go in to cleveland with momentum. and then delegates are going to number one, who can win in the fall. i'm the only one that can. that's what the polls indicate. number two, john, really crazy consideration. like who could actually bet of the united states? i think when they take a look at my record both in washington and in ohio, with the job growth, the wage growth, reforming the, then can understand

i think i will be picked. i don't think is going to get there with delegates that they need to win.why shouldn't the person who goes in to the convention if they don't have majority of delegates if they're well ahead why shouldn't they get the nomination? >> you know what, it's like one said. i had an 86 my other friends had less than that so i should get an a. a. we have rules as to how many delegates. if you go in way ahead, you're likely to beesting is in the ten contested republican conventions, you know that the leader going in only got picked three times. have to tell you that who is going to win in the fall? who is going to beat hillary? these other folks can't win. they can't win ohio. i can tell you that. look at the resume. look at the record, who actually

get us moving again bothh foreign policy. that should be a consideration now, it's not much of one to be honest with you. but when we get to a convention, i was there when ronald reagan challenged gerald ford. how many people were mad at reagan? his message mattered. he came close, ultimately became one of the greatest presidents we've ever had. a very interesting thing and delegates take things extremely seriously. let me also tell you, john, if somebody can get the numbers they're not going to get the numbers. everybody chill out. >> dickerson: some people to get the numbers because ted cruz is closer to that number than you are. >> he needs 80% of the votes tot going to happen, john, you know it, i know it. >> dickerson: has anyone -- >> nobody is calling me directly asking me to drop out. 't they drop out. wait a minute, john, why don't

i'm the one that can win in the fall. you know another interesting thing, this party has run arounds saying, how is it that we elected a one-term united states senator to be president who has never had the experience. that? remember that? here is what i would say. i can win in the fall, they cannot.re delivering positive message you've stayed away from some of the back and forth, would you not in the pursuit of your nomination not want the help of forces, the organized efforts to stop donald trump? >> you know, john, i'm not -- i political science game or some calculation. let me just tell you, the people are nervous about their work, kids' future. that's what i focus on, responding to that legitimate concern that they have. and i tell them exactly how inhad great success

i tell them about the 417,000 people who are now working in a job when i became governor. i have people that come to my rallies and thank me for the fact that i have focused on the issue of mental illness and drug addition.ime to sit around thinking about this anti-trump group or that group. let me just do my job, okay? let me just continue to the public and we'll see where it all ends up. i think this is a very, very constructive message to the american people because i want you, the american people, you in to believe that you can change the world and we need you to do it. because you'll revive the spirit of our country.ople who are trying to stop donald trump believe that many of the things you just described are impaled by his candidacy that gives him exercise.t wondering whether you think they're wrong, they're crazy, they missed something?

is interesting some of thoseted me to get out of the race they wanted to get behind rubio, what happened? rubio's out, i'm in. if i don't win ohio, guess what, trump is the i want -- how they want me to get out? listen is, these are the same establishment people that have been nighting me my entire you know what, i'll tell what you is in my mind's eye. the people i grew up with, the people that walk door to door for me. we had people from 22ing phone banks in ohio. they came from all over the country to help because they're hopeful that together we can raise this country. i don't have time to think about all this politicalin some back room somewhere, okay, john? i'm in the doing it. you have known me long enough to know what you see with me is what you get. end of story.on: you brought on people to help you with the calculation, people with experience. >> sure.

about the calculation -- wait a minute, first of all, the convention is an extension of this process. of course i want stu spencer and and v.i.p. webber and i want tom ridge. of course i want the former governor of utah. i want them all to help me. convention some sort of subject track final. nothing more than extension of what we're doing now. nobody gets delegates which they have to work at the convention. i will spend my time convincing them about my electability and my record. if they buy it, great. if they d my best. john, i'm perfectly comfortable with this. >> dickerson: let me ask you presidential question about merrick garland put forward byrt. this could be decision you have to handle. what is your feeling about the way that your republican to that nomination from the president?

should send it i knew something was going to happen. frankly ought to all sit downh the guy and my feeling is at the end of the day whoever gets elected president should be in a position to be able to pick who they want people will decide by either voting for republican or democrat the make up of the court is. i just think that is a process that can unite us rather thant right now continues to divide us. >> dickerson: somebody talked about unity, would you take a look at mr. garland when -- ifesident? >> well, you know, he received overwhelming support, i think even from senator hatch. of course we'd think about it. john, we look at person's record, i want to conservative who is not going to make the law but who will interpret the law. somebody of high standing, i don't careill lows 30 years ago we have a process, i've appointed over 100 judges in ohio including a woman

point toourt and we've had good success with our selection. >> dickerson: governor john kasich of ohio thank you. >> thank you.er we taped that interview yesterday governor kasich said that he would not appoint judge garland to the supreme court that his comments were an effort to be polite.m the campaign trail senator brands is in tucson, arizona. we've looked at the math here for the contesting go forward and it look like you'd have to win almost 60% of the delegates. what is your path to the nomination that's a big number. >> it is. but i think that the states that are coming up on tuesday we have idaho, utah, arizona, out west to washington. we got alaska. we have hawaii. we think that the path forward is a for us. clearly secretary clinton did very, very well in the deep south.

think as we go forward going tg better and better. i think people are also going to appreciate when they look at the does better against donald trump than hillary clinton does. in fact in the last nbc poll we were 18 points ahead trump far more so than secretary clinton that will play a factor in the coming states. >> dickerson: se the deep south. >> here is the point as you well know. she did.ay you look at michigan, illinois, missouri, we come out almost the same in terms of delegates.y clinton got about two million more votes than you have. the theory of our campaign of your presidency has been to create a movement, to create momentum to gather people. able to gather more people mind her message than you. isn't that a threat to the theory of the --

not atat you're really talking about she did very well in the deep south. she -- in muss miss and southsh i didn't have to say this but everything being equal no democrat right now, i hope that changes, is going to win thosetates in the general election. we have now won nine states. i think in couple of weeks going to see us win more states. i think we head to the west probably the most proceed depressive part of america -- progressive part of america, the grotesque level of income and wealth and equality, health care, medicare for all raising the minimum wage, the $15 an hour i think the people in those states really are not going to be voting for establishmentstablishment economics. they want real change. i think going to do well there. >> dickerson: you have over the last month or so been drawing greaterary

see that all the way up through the convention, every sharpr distinction that senator sanders draws has potential unsettling things if hillary clinton becomes the nominee. >> trust me, there is nothing that i am ever going to saycretary clinton that i've never run a negative ad. you should see some of the negative ads against us from the nothing that i will say will compare in any way to what the republicans will say. what an election is about, john,s. it is differences of opinion. and, yes, hillary clinton has moved offer the last ten months much closer to the i've been advocating for 20 or 30 years. but the differences remain, our history in politics is very and i think the people of this

know that. i think the central issue is, if you are secretary clinton andg many millions of dollars through your super pac from wall street, from the drug companies, from the fossil fueleally going to be the agent of change in taking on the billionaire class. taking on wall street. taking on the big moneyeed in my view right now. and that is an issue that the voters will have to decide. >> dickerson: one last tactical's been a report that you might go to the convention and if you're behind in delegates try to flip those superdelegates to win through using the is that a strategy you are looking at? >> the whole concept is superdelegates is problematic. but i would say that in states where by 20, 5 points, i think might be good idea for superdelegates to

homed to a person the other day who said, you know what, i am going to listen to my state, if my state votes for you, bernie, you're going to haink that i would hope that lot of the superdelegates take that factor into consideration. >> dickerson: that is a strategy you're pursuing? >> to superdelegate banders won your state by 20 or 30 points you might want to listen to your state. i think that is common sense ielegates should do that. >> dickerson: if they didn't come from state that you won they shouldn't feel compelled to go for you. >> their own decision. they have right to make that decision. i would argue that many of thehat is most important as it is for me and secretary clinton, by the way, making sure that no republican occupies the white house. and if people conclude this campaign if we have

we win number of states, that's also an if. if that is the factor, appears that i am the against trump i see superdelegates saying, i like hillary clinton but i want to win this thing, bernie is our guy.ght. senator sanders thanks for being with us. >> thank you, john. dickerson: we'll be back in a moment. ring is caringng heals faster. for a bandage that moves with you and stays on all day, d brand flexible fabric adhesive bandage. jake reese, " day to feel alive" eese, " day to feel alive" jake reese, "

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we know it. wiped out in generations overcome a trump candidacy. ronald reagan had the three-legged school. fiscal, social,al security. donald trump has four, got to bigger. economic population, race baiting, religious bigotry isas formed that is his campaign, that is not conservatism. ted cruz in my view is a real republican who i often disagree with.ted because i think he's the best alternative to donald trump. john kasich is the most electable republican i don't know he has chance to win at theause outsider year, and john kasich is an insider and most delegates are looking for outsider. i love john kasich if he stays they don't coordinate the efforts between cruz and kasich, we're going to wind up giving the nomination to trump. >> dickerson: you say outsider

he's getting the votes. >> 35 to 40% is probably where he's going to be. lot of people believe thatis a real problem he's playing on the feeds. most rapist and drug dealers that's correct not. here is why we're losing hispanic vote.isten to you about your economic plan or your ability to -- if you're going to deport yourn the party of family sam use. i like that. there are 11 million illegal immigrants, 60% have been here a decade. citizen children and grandchildren. what do you think is going to happen to my republican friends if our position is that we're going to take the grandmotherican citizen, member of the military who is illegal. how do we get that person to vote for us if we're going to deport their grandmother when all she's done violatews. this is why we're getting

mr. trump taken every problem we've had with lis panicsine on it. >> dickerson: what is the gap between republicans who share your view would like to stop donald trump? what is the gap between what they say they're willing to do publicly. >> we're a divided party. we have a lot of angry people who have been told things by senator cruz and others that wen we actually could do. country is in a mess. i can understand being frustrated with illegal immigration. you're not going to fix it by having a position like mr. trumphance of getting through the senate. >> dickerson: what i'm asking, how many people do you have behind you to stop donald trump because right now he's going past all >> 55% of the republican party would like to vote for somebody other than donald trump. we're about to nominate the one person that not only would lose in 2016 but would detroy thedes to come. i would rather lose without trump than try to win with him. if he wants to lead the party,

him if he's nomination? >> ask me later. i'm making it clear i thinkparty that i love as much as i disagree with ted cruz i think he's real republican, nominate conservative judges, will not lois decreal out.p is an interloper and what demagogue. >> dickerson: you've signed a pledge you'd be willing to break that pledge? >> i'm out of the race now.ose an election but i don't want us to lose our heart and soul f. we nominate donald is and what he said about immigrants, about muslims, and young women, we will not just lose an election, we've lost the heart and soul ofement. that's what is at stake. i hope john kasich is listeningf

the most electabled to deny trump 1237 or 1239 not willing to work with ted you're hurting the cause byh making it harder for ted to get 50%. >> dickerson: the future of the middle east, which is moreepublican party? >> there's a pathway in the mid east i don't see one right new for the republican party in all lot of issues the country will be dealing with in the future. how you bring the broken and divided country together. if mr. trump the answer to the mid east this his foreign policy is jibberish. the mid east is a mess. the republican party is at tipping point here. we're going down one of two trump road which is destruction of conservatism. going to re-evaluate go down a road a little more optimistic, i and john kasich represent that path. mid east politics to me sends to

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raise your hand. none of not be happy about this election so far. what is going on? explain it? >> think we're losing sight or ht about what is really important to the american people. thinking more about each other instead of us. >> i think we all -- they'ref what they're trying to achieve. >> most troubled by the fact that so many people support hillary and trump. it's shocking to me. none of people i know. they don't like't like hillary. they are so emotionally driven they act like kids. >> i think that donald trump is treating this like reality show crisis. he's already got the car, already got the plane. now he wants to buy the presidency, buy the country. hillary clinton, that's all government service life and she's been banking on it making money off of it this entire time. >> dickerson: more from these florida voters and frank in our

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