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>> reporter: i'm monica malpass on inside story is there a racial divide over justice, after it is missouri grand jury decision, people are wondering are there two systems of justice? let's let's get the inside story. good morning welcome to inside story, let's meet our insiders, ajay raju. larry platt, welcome back, and christine flowers. the grand jury decided not to press charges against the officer he said he was acting in self-defense a couple of months
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ago when this occurred. a lot of people disagreed with that, there have been numerous protests no new york and peacefully in philadelphia. let's talk about, if this case were an african-american police officer and white suspect would we have an different outcome is there a racial divide or are people adding that component on top of as a layer on top of that. >> i don't know that you could say there would be a different outcome. it would be naive to say race is not an issue. i would add one more thing, though, class is an issue, as well. tofnlt we too often we go to th. race. i think the prosecutor probably said there's not a conviction here, the fact pattern does not lead to that, you can indict a
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ham sandwich, right. prosecutors come in and cherry pick what they want to get out, here i think the prosecutor looked at what would likely happen in terms of violent or just angry outcomes and said i've got a bunch of bad choices here. >> take the lessor one. >> reporter: put all the evidence out and let the grand jury decide and unanimously on each count they said there is no case. >> did they overstep their bound, aren't they supposed to make an indictment issue yes or no and leave it to the regular jury for all the facts to decide. >> reporter: the facts of the case are not 130e67b9 -- supposed to be tried in the grand jury setting. the prosecutor may have said let's put everything out there. he made a decision to not -- all
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the people who were protesting, we want a fair system. and he deviated from the grand jury. >> i question that. >> i'm not a criminal attorney, but i do know about grand jury, there are different types of grand jury andng grand jury. there's nothing illegal, nothing that bars a defendant a target of a grand jury from testifying, nothing that stopped him from being cross-examined, nothing that stops you from preventing all the testimony and the evidence and that which would lead to transparency and probable cause. >> you're right there's no rule. the way it is practiced it's add add --icting testimony was
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presented to the grand jury. the grand jury was basically weighing the facts that would otherwise be weighed at trial. >> in the end duffel that this was the outcome that it -- did you feel this was the outcome that you would expect. a suspect who was stealing cigars from a store was chased by a police officer, whatever ensued in the police cruiser or didn't ensue, there were ten bullets fired that hit michael brown. it hams everyday, none the less o we were not there, none of us at the table to see how the incident went down. >> i think the physical evidence, to me, based on on what i read, the physical evidence suggested maybe this was the right decision, but here are a a couple of data points
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why racial inquality is a powered keg and this lit it. in ferguson, there's never been an african-american mayor, there are 6 city council members only one african-american. seven board of education members, two are african-american. 2% of a can americans are enrolled in gifted program. 100 arrests, african manner. african-american unemployment, 19 compared to 7 for whites. >> 32,000 median household income, 54,000 for whites. this is a legacy power structure white. regardless of what the evidence may have been, the frustration you're seeing is historical.
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>> it's not the trayvon martin case, trayvon martin was unarmed, unprovoked that's a different case not allegedly caught in a theft. >> it's a different situation, it didn't involved a police officer. this was a lot less, it seemed as if there was much more of a reason for racial animus in the trayvon martin case. this kid was coming back from going to the candy store. there was not a situation where there was a confrontation between a police officer and someone who actually was and eyewitness testimony established this who was confronting the police officer. ed makes a great point with regard to class, if we go back 20 years to the oj case, oj simpson was in the upper classes. he was a very rich man, and yet
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race became a major issue and race was a part of the region that oj was acquitted during nullification. >> can't say race is only pulled in when there's a difference in class. >> the witnesses who corroborateed officer wilson's story were black. >> have we made some progress, however, i would ask friends of all if we made progress in philadelphia, if we made progress as a nation. some of them say yes and some say i'm not sure. >> certainly we we have made, e have a black president and attorney generals. >> we have two separate justice systems, one that applies to of a cane manners and one that -- african americans and one that
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applies to white and one to rich and poor. the evidence on that is clear. those issues are much harder, because you can't just pass a law like a civil rights act they go to the heart of who we are. >> i would still argue that class is the distinction when it comes to disparities within the criminal justice system. >> you would not say there's an allowance for violence against african americans, it's more poor versus establishment. >> yes, there are patrick patr. >> in your own neighborhood you're an occupied state, the police are there to not protect them, but to contain maybe
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that's why the problem occurs. >> i agree with you ed, to is a certain extent, i would say don't underestimate the power of rails, every wealthy successful african-american i know has been pulled over by the police for driving while black that's a systemic issue in law enforcement. >> and i know people who are not and by the way here's another thing that comparison baits race when somebody like alharp ton show up, how does he get to comebt comment on anything and yet he is invited to the white house to be the grand arrest -- arbitor.
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>> there's an order for immigration an executive order. the republicans said they are not going to sit to the side, he used his power to spare 4 or 5 million americans, not americans, but illegals who have come here and got jobs and he has given them a pass, do you think that was the right thing to do? >> i do, i think in the wake of ferguson, there's been a lot of talk about how that was an irregular grand jury construct. in the wake of the executive orders there's been a lot of talk about this being unconstitutional. this is not unconstitutional. in our federal system immigration law is within the purview of congress, but also the executive, the executive has significance powers, it's enforced by the department of justice and homeland security and these are all cabinet
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positions these are all in the executive. the executive has a lot of discretion you can abuse that discretion, but there's a broad range of discretion, and what the president has done he hadn't granted new visas, he hadn't give any kind of permanent status, he has broadened the group of people whole not be immediately deported and prioritized those whole be deported -- who will be deported. they are saying he granted am necessity doesn't hold -- amnesty, it doesn't hold water. >> was this a nod to hillary cannot be to get the hispanic vote to get them on her side. >> i think it was about sticking to the republicans in
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congress, he only did this after john boehner would not promise him they would submit their own bill. what he keeps saying pass a bill, so politically, it's very smart. >> and new jersey governor chris christie who may run of course he has not said can a yea or nay. what do you think will come from him. >> if the republicans look to defunds, operationallize, eel be spending public money, people will be eligible for government subsidies and payments. >> this is something we have in place. >> this is a breath taking change, the president is on record 25 times saying i can't do this, we're a nation of laws
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not of men, he decided he took a beating in the midterms, i'll show the other guy i'm still relevant. the this is a high stakes gambling. the republicans will not only go after his money, they will put a border security bill in front of him and this time harry reid won't be able to block it. >> if it's such a risky move that he made to get back at them, he is at the ends of his run. >> well, he needs the republican legislators on three things, one on immigration, but more importantly on two appointments soon, the attorney general, as well as the secretary of defense, i'm shocked you use the the word operationallize. >> let's speak about defense secretary changes, chuck hagel diplomat make it, after several changes in the defense area, he has resigns and asked to leave, he'll stay until they get his
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replacements, nonetheless this was behind the scenes mackmachis brought in to pair down the budget and gets us out of afghanistan is out. >> i think he was forced out, obviously. there's no question about that. i keep going back to his his year ago, his confirmation hears where he was awful. i watched that, and thought this guy is not qualified. >> but i think he is the latest version to be thrown down the volcano. you have three defense secretary of state that have moved on. there's a disconnect between the obama administration and susan rice and that departments, isis has been a failure, syria is a failure. >> i'm grad to hear you talk
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about virgins on sunday morning. >> i love the volcano thing, but on a larger bases, it's almost if there's a small circle that's trusted by president obama and personality that's trusted by president obama and he wasn't in it. >> and when there are clashes they are gone. >> we'll leave it at that. inside story continues right after this.
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>> welcome back to inside story, philadelphia will soon have a second casino, it was a 2 1/2 year selection process, a gaming decision came recently, they decided it was going to be in south philadelphia close to all the sports venue, the logic was they go to 400 sports events for a year, why not keep them there, it was the lowest range on projections on renews, it didn't have the big upside and downside that many casinos have. is it right for folks in south philadelphia jobs versus quality of life. >> i think the folks in south philadelphia are tired of these amenities coming into their naibdz, because they bring -- neighborhoods, because they bring problems, i have to wand at what point do people figure out there are diminishing returns on all of this.
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it seems lots of people will bet their money they will be the last man standings. >> this will hurt harrahs and showboat and others. >> the whole industry is suffering. look at atlantic city, look at what's happening here, i think you need other amenities which is why they want it proximate to the sports venue. this bet that we're fixing everything that's wrong by having a casino. there's deep moral hazard encouraging people to spends money this way. >> there are thousands of jobs, permanents and temporary and construction philadelphia needs the problems. >> every study shows that this is no way to do economic development, that the money that this injects into the local economy is not new money, it's entertainment dollars it's redistributing entertainment dollars in the economy.
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>> they would have been spent on restaurants or shows. that's why it's a bad choice. if you're going to do it, i agree with ed, it's full hardy to do it. in keeping in jay and jaibs jacobs about economic theories in philadelphia. those would put feet on the streets in center city. >> the a street site, you remember 89 cry in chinatown, people did not wants it in center city. they mobilized. as ed was saying there's a critical mass you reach in south philadelphia, i work in south philadelphia, i know a lot of people who live in south philadelphia they are worried about the quality of life. they don't have a strong unified voice at this moment. >> if i had a choice i would
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have made slots in the airport. you have a captive audience and tough to create a prostitution ring in the airport. >> atlantic city has lost five of their 12 casinos and now a governor has asked an adviser to study and make a recommendation, the adviser is saying we need a czar to overrule the mayor and do an 112th hour bottom line deal and save the city or it will go under and file chapter 9 bankruptcy. are we at the 11th hour, is it time for do or die? >> it starts with leadership if you have somebody who is entrusted with and held accountable for having a game plan long term game plan in solving the problem. you ought 0 to do it. look at the conditions, i mean it's getting worse by the day and the data points show it. >> other cities argue that by
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the time the bills for the czar came in, based on on being renovated in michigan, that was expensive, too, it wasn't cheap paying for the housing and the cars and the staff. >> you model detroit and you file for bankruptcy first and then you have an emergency manager that is basically, you need that crisis, or the emergency manager is just political cover for politicians who wasn't do the hard things. >> in a more limited fashion, baltimore did this in the inner harbor when willard rouse's uncle was brought in. they took a 20 block radius and cleared all the titles and put everything in one set of hands, so everyone knew what was happening, but he wasn't subject to all the political pressures. >> and it developed beautifully for them. >> before we leave let's talk about comedian actor, bill
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cosby, his issues have mushroomed in the last couple of months, 16 women accusing him of groping and using date rape drug. he has taken a beating and lost out on three major tv deals on a boost to his career. is this the right thing to have happened, do you think these were real allegations? >> i personally don't think it's the right thing that's happening. but it's the inevitable thing in the age of social media. when you have statutes of limitations that prevented you from getting into a courtroom if you don't have your charges filed timely, it is in the courts of public opinion. he has been forced to say i'm not going to comment and that is
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a comment if you will. >> that's the points, without any refutation all the allegations sinks into the public consciences -- conscious ntsz i think this is the ends of his public life without any meaningful response looks like it's not going to come. >> he has not just a tv personality. he was saying to the next generation of a can americans pull yourself up, he never commented on bigotry and racism. specifically, with that kind of moral vantage point it made journalists seek him out, look what they found. >> there's a element of hypocrisy here. it's very sad. ed makes a good point.
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>> time for inside stories of the week, let's start with christine. >> 20 years ago in 1996, young school students from notre dame was murdered by arthur bow democrat mar, just this week the supreme court rejected his most recent appeal. he is still on death road. >> the indians have come to the barns, we have created an cultural trade between india it's just the right spice. >> police fire and rescue all the people who keep us safe.
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it's going to be a great night conditioning gralt layingses to -- congratulations to the president of philly pops. i'm running a book with stewart scot who is battling cancer. life is two dates with a dash in between, i finds that inspiring. it makes me feel inspired and be thankful for everything my brother from another mother.
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>> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week" -- ferguson fury. demonstrations spreading across the country. dozens more arrested this weekend and breaking overnight, officer wilson resigns. why he stepped down and will it stop the unrest? overturned, running back ray rice wins his appeal. another black eye for the nfl. how will the league and its embattled commissioner respond? hurry up and wait. on the busiest travel day of the year, we ask the head of the faa, can anything be done about those long lines and delays? and presidential couture. >> this is president obama's jacket. >> only the president. >> only for presidents, this stitching here. >> reporter: the man who's been styling the president for 60 years.
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