>> reporter: policing citizens and rights on inside story next! good morning, everyone, i'm matt o'donnell. it is sunday, december 7, 2014 and inside stories underway. let's meet our insiders of the week, we have g. terry ma madona from the f and m college poll. rene and -- rene amoore, let's talk about the movement to change policing, outrage has grown in ferguson and new york city and cleveland two resulting grand jury decisions, protests have taken place in philadelphia

and across the country. president obama has asked the philadelphia police commissioner, charles ramsey to head the task force on 21st century policing to seek ways to build trust between police and minorities communities while at the same time reducing crime. so much to talk about, i think i want to start by can asking thir maybe interject. police need to be able to tell their families they will come home at night safe. they need to protect themselves, right? at the same time citizens need to feel they are not going to be wrongfully abused or killed by police. two very simple suggestions here, how do you balance that? >> it's hard to reconcile, the 180-degree difference of point of view between the black community and the white community in the united states. there's a variation in the historic problem in the united states it's been going on for

centuries. the one thing i think we know is that these cameras are not the solution. i mean that's what the case in new york shows -- >> this is something they are testing in philadelphia. >> they are testing the video cameras. but in new york you had a clear video of what happened and that was not the magic bullet, that did not get everyone to agree, well we know what happened, we still don't know what happened. my own view is the real solution is jobs, good jobs, and if we had more good jobs with better pay including for police officers, i think we would mitigate to a considerable degree what we don't have is an administration committed to more jobs better paying jobs, that's the solution, there's a new jobs report out this weekend that said we added 300,000 jobs, they are part-time jobs, there's been stagnant wages for years now. >> under employment.

>> that's the problem. >> it's all about economics, and the a little boy said that in ferguson, it's about jobs here. we have to be honest about that. the other thing is the lack of trust as far as blacks trusting white policemen in particular, all you see all over the country, 12-year-old being killed, they are reacting, what kind of of training are they getting do we need to train them better, those kind of things need to happen. people have to understand what a grand jury is. people are not clear what it is. with were they the pundits for the prosecutors, we have to get the right information out not 100 different stories. >> another aspect this is not the first series of instances, but we're going to do something about it this time and my business and your business, is this a teaching moment we'll finally getting together, it's about jobs, but it's about education.

>> i said that. >> reporter: far too many dropouts, far too much underemployment and unemployment in the african-american community, dysfunctional families, all this needs to be addressed 23409 just by the african-american community, but by the white community working together. >> this is not new, but it changed, you alluded to it, jan, video, which is more prevalent. >> and cheaper. >> and social media. >> where everyone is citizen journalist. what i like and disagree a little bit with jan on, one thing we can do, is transparency, i'm in favor of the cameras in this case obviously in new york, it didn't seem to play out, because the grand jury is secret we don't know what's going on we don't know if the prosecutor is

buddies with the police, at least there's evidence that exists and i like the fact and i am happy that we're doing a pilot program in philadelphia, commissioner ramsey and obama recognized that he should lead in this to show 21st century policing shootings can go go down in philadelphia with homicide in particular. county police force and other first responders, reflect the demographics of the citizenry they represent which was not the case in ferguson. >> remember early on in commissioner ramsey's tend owe tenure we're losing police officers by the month. at what also a horrible time. you have that in the back of your mind when you're trying to protect the community you can get killed for this, okay. at the same time you have ramsey doing this task force, where the philadelphia police department has been criticized for the amount of time it shoots

citizens, in 2012, that's the only stats i could gather two years ago, 52 people were shot by police in philadelphia. and 15 of them died. so, again, you have two things literally budget heads here it's -- butting heads here, do you think ramsey is a good choice when you have that kind of history. >> absolutely. it was bad, he is working through it. , the police are getting a better education, they are pan irk, they are human also, when you panic, you do things sometimes that are not correct. we have to work through situations. you have to do psychologic things and there's a lot things involved in the process. we have to stop talking about this when there's a crisis. we have to do this on going. you have to communicate with both parties not just african americans, the latinos and the

minorities in particular. we have to do something about it, and we're not. we're waiting until there's a crisis. start now. >> you start the the conversation on your topic with this, these are police men and women who go open home at night and have their own families. you need to provide the support when you're in the medical field. there's no more stressful occupation out there, they deal with addiction problem, we have first responders addiction treatment programs, they take the cops it's so secret because nobody wants to admit they have the problem. there's excuse for the actions especially in long island that these folks it's still such a small, one is too many, it's a such a small number, most cops, firefighters, are good people doing great work. >> we have to support them and give them the resource they need.

>> on the camp atus, the dye--- the die-in that's happening across the country. this is the basic topic across the united states. >> i come back to the fact at the root of all our stress in america is jobs. i grew up in the 50s in the detroit suburbs where a working class person could work in an auto factor and make enough money to support a family, buy their own home and buy their cars and have a cabin in northern michigan to hang out during the summer. you didn't have to have a high school diploma, lots of a can americans moved up from the south and got the jobs, it was possible to have a middle class life. that was gone. >> you don't have a middle class any more. we've had off shoring and automation and technology that eliminated tons of jobs, we need

to talk about that problem, one thing we don't do, i hate to bring immigration into everything, you don't add five million illegals to the job market and say, you know, we're going to provide them with jobs, but we're not going to worry about the people who are here. >> that's the problem. you got to go back and educate. terry said you got to educate folks in order to get the j-o-b. >> let's talk about bill cosby, he is taking action, is one of the claims cosby assaulted somebody when she was 15. she is suing, cosby is counter suing saying she is trying to extort him. cosby resign as one of temple's board of trustees, when do we

take the claims as a whole saying cosby has not been charged. >> the case in california, most of the charges have had to expire through statue of limitations. him this one is different, this occurred when the alleged victim was a minor. california has a law which says, stacht statute of limitation doesn't run. this is an unusual case, cosby has to take this seriously. >> it's made, let's face it a super hero to so many people for so many years a pariah, rightly or wrongly without a day in court. without getting into whether there's substance to it, we were talking before, there are 20 up to 20 accusers, i mean is that a

coincidence? >> jill scott philadelphia native great singer she defended bill cosby on twitter. she said on twitter. jill scott, so they have proven the alleged allegations, i didn't know, will they be giving back the millions he donated. later she tweets, do you know bill cosby, i do child and this is insane, proof period. >> i think she is on target, the navy took something away from him, it's one thing after the other, when do we say this happened i'm with jill and whoopie 100%. >> you would discount the fact you have this massive amount? >> no, this guy was a giant he donated the money to african-american museum and his art collection, now you have people discrediting him.

if it happened -- >> it's trial by public opinion. >> he is done in the court of public opinion. >> and jan, you're much brighter than i am on this subject, you almost wish in this case, the statute of limitation is killing it. it reminds and i hate to compare, because it's not fair, bring down the torch on joe joe paterno or sandusky. you want people to have their day in court. >> i couldn't agree more. >> cosby and the accuser. >> cosby has been a friend of temple university and he has done a great thing by stepping down from the board, otherwise temple would be in the firing line. >> damned if they do, damned if they don't. they will be criticized no

matter what they did. >> comement on this, the -- comment on this, the reality check the budget is a mess, the state has $2 billion deficit. it's $29 billion budget. the tax revenues are on the incline. >> 100 million. >> is wolf more handicapped in terms of what he can do. >> what we had last week in south central pennsylvania was dueling press conferences in all my years of covering politics, with the outgoing administration, the budget sect says we inherited a mess and we're leaving this state in better shape. one of governor-elect wolf and josh shapiro is on the transition team he said whoa whoa whoa you're leaving it in worse shape. governor elect wolf wants to say

i'm inheriting a serious problem, we're going to have to raise revenue in preparation for an agenda in which he is going to call for revenue, probably marcellus shale. >> tax increasing will be bigger than he thought. >> he with don't know that yet, we'll find out the first tuesday in march when he delivers the budget message. this is all about saying i'm inheriting a serious problem. >> corbett did this. >> governor wolf made it no secret he was going after revenue. >> now he has the mandate. >> he has a republican legislature,. >> more conservative than it was. >> will wolf this is the question, because he hadn't shown his cards talk about pension reform. >> he doesn't talk. >> liquor privatization?

>> no. >> budgets shift their suspenses out into the future and take revenue, those are accounting games. >> we'll be right back. >> we'll wait and see what happens.

>> a new england power company tells the city of philadelphia, you know what, forget it, uie

holdings of connecticut will no longer seek to buy the gas works. mayor nutter structured a deal and supported it and worked on it and the security council said we're not holding a public hearing here. did the city lose the opportunity? >> reporter: i think so so, the thing that's most disappointing i'm not trying to pick sides, but in the sense of the politics they didn't get their day in court, quote unquote which is a hearing. we're talking about it being the next energy hub we'll never know. the thing that is troubling, not only not doing the deal, what do outsiders important stakeholders the state public utility commission, which is what they think of our schools. saying we're not going to help them. >> how do people see philadelphia in general?

especially out west? you look at the legislators, everything is out west, we are not doing what we need to do. >> our deteriorating infrastructure in america is a national problem, now there's costs that will have to be absorbed by the taxpayers of facility because we have infrastructure problems here right here. this is an opportunity to unload them on private investors, they would raise rates in the future, but it's politically easier for the investors to do that, than the city which is caught in the political knot. >> as a nonphiladelphian, i'm not going to do this praise of ed rendell. >> too late. >> this was a period in recent philadelphia history where philadelphia was everywhere, the buzz word come to philly, come to the restaurants, the hotels, do the historical sites, he married the suburbs to the city. where is that excitement? where is that business is coming

downtown, where ises what we saw in the 90s, you alluded to that, it all seems to be missing now for maybe a variety of reasons. >> politics. >> the democrats, there couldn't be more acrimony between council president clark and mayor nutter. when you read the dueling press releases it's about politics not substance. >> it's about the personalities, it's about them and not the people. >> there's always stakeholders who wants thing and stay just as they are and want nothing to change. that's why we can't get rid of the liquor stores. >> it's about 9 people and the personalities and what they want and don't want. >> darrell clark wanted to protect city jobs and residents from gas fees and prices can you see his side and see --

>> infrastructure is going to impose enormous cost on someone, who is that going to be? a private investors so we recoup it through higher rates or a direct cost to taxpayers. >> it's a whole different things it was like the process, it was how councilman darrell clark found out. e got a call from someone saying we want to talk to you because we're buying buying your gas all and that. you're in charge and somebody is coming to you and nobody is communicating to you, that's going to make me angry. >> is it personal? >> it's all about the personality. >> it's all person not for philadelphia? >> the way the process started was not a good thing. >> but you like to be sunshine. which in other words the opportunity for city council, as well, everybody gets a shot, ual, others get to be in a room

and have a vote not we're going to shut it down. >> everybody has to buy in, but be on the same page. if i want you to buy i have to go to you, you, you and you, you can't do it by yourself it has to be a team. it has to be a team process. >> let's did you talk about the sixers. the timber wolves which are almost as bad as the sixers, they went 1-17. they are open about their plan, we're not going to be good and later on we'll be good. him does it bother any of you to the extent 24er tanking and -- to the extent they are tanking and pretty much the entire nation knows about it. >> you knew this was a bad deal when 16 seconds into the game they have restart it, because the teams were facing the wrong baskets.

[laughter]. philadelphia 76ers shoot under 40% against the worse defense in the league. i don't know what that has to do with management -- >> two points, first of all, you have to feel for the players, they are stars in high school and college and they have had tremendous success in basketball and now they are with the sixers and having a terrible year. talking about management their plan is a terrible plan, maybe we'll get the income one pick. even with the worst record they may not get the number one pick. getting a labron james is a rare thing it doesn't happen every year or a couple of years. they may get their number one pick and find there's no one out there worth it. they are doing it on purpose, but it's just a bad idea. >> i've got two names sean

bradley and roy henson. i debris it's perverse. the problem they are fans, important stakeholder, the fans are turned off. the tickets are 10 bucks. you have to get the fans back once you have a competitive product. they may not come back, can anyone name three players here? >> michael carter williams. that's three names in one place. [laughter]. is a serious buzzkill. it's always watching so people can keep an eye on me when they're away. and even chime in with their inane reprimands. "henry, off! bad boy!" who's to say who's a bad boy and who's not. seems so subjective if you ask me.

nest dropcam. welcome to a more thoughtful home.

>> inside stories of the week, you're up first, terry. >> remember governor elect tom wolf blue jeep wrangler in all the commercials, it's the official state car. the security will have to learn to drive a stick shift vehicle. if you want to take passengers they will be in another car.

>> reporter: my inside story is about two months ago we were talking about the elections, governor corbett would win if he didn't i would take my boys out to dinner. you can't go. >> 17 states filed a lawsuit against the immigration order amnesty. they filed it very smartly in the southern district of texas, i've look at this case it has a plausible chance of success. >> we'll see jan, thanks. >> who said advertising is dead. in the last two months, in the greater philadelphia area, $15 million was spent on television, that created 14,000 ads. we didn't see any, did we? this would pay for 250 careers of -- 250 years of tuition at penn.

>> so dinner it's enough that you're here. you don't have to pay for me. >> you going to mortons. we're going to mortons or capital grill. >> inside story that's it. >> maybe we'll do cheese steaks. [laughter]. we'll see you later.

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