>> the local congressman's very, very bad week. "inside story" starts right now. ♪ good morning, everyone. i'm matt o'donnell. let's get "inside story" going and meet our insiders of the week -- harold jackson from the philadelphia inquirer joins us. good morning, harold. >> okay. >> gop state official renee amoore. >> good morning. >> good morning, renee. attorney ajay raju. >> good morning. >> hello, ajay. and jeff jubelirer, communications executive. >> hi, matt. >> hey, jeff. glad to have all of you with us. now, first, congressman chaka fattah's son, chaka jr., was sentenced to five years in federal prison for his bank and tax fraud conviction. and his father, who was there at the sentencing, is charged in a separate federal case. and then, just days later, you see there mayor kenney took sides in fattah's re-election bid, announcing he is supporting a democratic challenger -- that would be state representative dwight evens. kenney didn't mention fattah in his statement, saying simply,

"dwight evans isn't afraid of the gun lobby. he'll stand up to the special interests and join me in fighting to improve our city block by block." harold, surprised to see kenney take sides here? >> only the timing, because of when had happened with congressman fattah with his son being sentenced. i was surprised that the timing came as it did. but certainly, kenney had supported evans, evans has been a supporter of kenney, so it's no surprise. chaka fattah is very vulnerable. he's gonna have a tough road being re-elected, so only the timing surprised me. >> what do you think, guys? and obviously, we know the history with fattah supporting anthony williams, who ran for mayor and didn't do so well. >> this is hardly news. >> right. >> i think it was expected that mayor kenney would endorse dwight evans. and it came -- and i agree with harold that the timing, perhaps, is probably the only asterisk on the endorsement. but otherwise, hardly news.

>> and people don't think about the timing. they're gonna do what they want to do when they want to do it, how they want to do it. and of course you have to connect the dots. again, dwight came out early for kenney. he helped him make a lot of inroads in the community. and so he went with kenney. >> evans has been very strong in west oak lane, but hasn't done so well running citywide, for instance, running for mayor. what does he need to do differently if he's gonna be able to at least take the primary, not only the general election? >> he's had a good run, though -- not literally speaking in running for office, but supporting tom wolf before anybody supported tom wolf coming out for, as we talked right now, for then-candidate jim kenney. he's been someone who's been on a roll. and i think he's gonna be very formidable as the -- there's other candidates running -- dan muroff is one of them, as well, who's very formidable -- that will narrow down. if that narrows down and evans continues to show the money lead, then it's gonna be difficult. >> yeah, i think he has a war chest. he'll have all the major endorsements. but i think it will be a mistake to count out congressman fattah. >> definitely not, especially in the primary. >> i would still think that

dwight evans will be the underdog in that card. >> iowa and new hampshire -- you want to do it? come on. come on. >> if you say so. >> all right, so this week had all the national stuff going on. we're gonna focus on some of the local stories that came out of this. rick santorum, who won the iowa caucuses just four years ago, ends his presidential campaign. he endorses marco rubio. you see there chris christie and donald trump there. another thing that came out -- senator pat toomey, who could be in a battle to retain his seat in the senate, also fell behind rubio for the gop nomination. now, rubio is the best third-place finisher in the history of american politics. but for one thing, the santorum and toomey thing, do you think it's gonna help rubio in the long run? >> absolutely in pennsylvania. in pennsylvania, that's what it looks like right now. you never know. it's still early. you know, you're still gonna have folks dropping out -- those type of things. rick santorum was popular four years ago and stuff. he had name recognition. he was in the senate or whatever. he's not that anymore. there's new players. and then he had to coalesce so he can still keep his name out

there, so he went with toomey to do their thing. and that's what's going on. >> i think renee's right. in 2012, rick santorum was the fresh face of the ideological candidate that the right wing of the republican party looked for. well, he's been upstaged by ted cruz, who's now the fresher, more of the ideological candidate for them. having said that, for the establishment candidate, i think it's coalescing in support of marco rubio. and one thing that the media has been hammering on, which is now coming true, is that nobody in congress likes ted cruz. >> exactly. >> and ted cruz wears that as a badge of honor. >> he does. >> zero senators. >> that is exactly what the right wing republican party wants to see -- that those who have been elected into congress have compromised the conservative movement. and ted cruz doesn't have a bet. >> yeah, well, here's the thing that works well for marco rubio. you couldn't think of, for many ways, two very different people than rick santorum and pat toomey. they have the evangelical, social conservative side with rick santorum and you have the

business club for growth tea party side with someone like pat toomey. and rubio's clearly becoming, at least, today... >> right. >> ...as that "alternative" that we're looking for. he's trying to bridge the gap. but what we're gonna see in new hampshire this coming week is, is there a governor out there -- whether it be christie, john kasich, jeb bush -- >> i think christie will be third among governors. >> let's talk a little bit more about christie. he came in 10th in iowa, which is lower than some people who actually left the race. [ laughter ] but, you know, a lot of people would say iowa's not so great of a fit. harold, where do you think christie needs to place in new hampshire to not get the, you know, chiming of people saying, "you know what? maybe we need to have him get out of the race so we can coalesce"? >> i think he has to finish among the top four, and i think that's not very likely that he'll do that. iowa, he can sort of discount. he stopped campaigning in iowa. iowa's such an anomaly. i mean, in terms of that caucus and the way it's conducted. so, he can be forgiven for his finish there. but he's not doing very well in new hampshire.

as you mentioned, jeff, john kasich has a great chance of being the governor that moves ahead. even saying that, though, rubio is still the person who has the most attractive persona in terms of running a national campaign. >> i think chris christie's running for a consolation prize now. if a republican president wins, get ready for attorney general chris christie. >> that's right. >> if a democrat wins, get ready for bumper stickers that say "christie 2020." >> [ laughs ] >> all right. well, bottom line is he doesn't have the money. see, i'm thinking about you got to have the money to continue these races. that's important no matter where he comes in. he still won't have enough money. >> and guess what happens after new hampshire. what's next? we have south carolina. those states are not boding well for the governors. >> that's a good ted cruz state down there. >> ted cruz states. yeah. >> yeah. all right. so, let's talk a little bit about the democrats, 'cause we have the philadelphia convention coming up in july. we're gonna host the democrats. can any of you really foresee

bernie sanders standing up there at the podium, accepting the nomination from the democratic party here in philadelphia? >> i can't. i watched the town hall meeting the other night. i watched the debate last night. and hillary is really on the top of her game right now. she did very well. you can't tell it by the sound bites that they're doing on television because they're not showing any of the foreign policy exchange, for example. and bernie was clearly out of his element. and, you know, i think when more americans see how far out of his element he is on issues besides the wall street money, they're going to abandon him. going to south carolina next. we know that we have a large african-american electorate in south carolina. they feel closer to hillary clinton, and i don't see anything that bernie sanders said or did that's going to bring that part of the electorate to his side. >> it was a battle, though, that debate, wasn't it? >> you can't win the democratic nominee without rallying and consolidating the african-american vote. >> that's right. >> and in this case, what you'll see is, as harold points out, once you go past new hampshire, that's when the bernie sanders campaign will come to a halt,

because south carolina will reveal itself. and hillary clinton -- and also the clinton family -- have an almost historical institutional base of support with the african-american community, and i just don't see that advantage, sanders ever trumping off of that. >> it used to be more until obama came in, because they got very upset with the clintons when obama was in. so they didn't have all the support they had. they're just starting to get it back. let's make that real clear. you have to really look at that. >> when you look at the leadership and you look at the money, hillary has it all. bernie has a lot of the intensity of enthusiasm, especially among young democrats. but these aren't the ones with the money, obviously. they're not the ones, frankly, that turn out to vote. >> but bernie sanders will get credit long after his campaign ends that, one, he shed light on something that's very important -- the income inequality in this country that is disenfranchising a large swath of our population. he has brought that into national attention. and more importantly, this smaller case, socialism. the word "socialism" is now part of a political discourse.

>> you have to put the word "democratic" in front of it to make it seem palatable. >> that's right. >> so the "feel the bern" movement will live longer than the campaign. >> well, not only that. he's giving hillary a run for her money. i mean, who thought he would come that close in iowa? let's be clear here. so he is making a statement. and people are listening and paying attention because they're tired of hillary somewhat, also. but bernie won't win nationally. let's be clear. >> and here's the other thing, he's not even a democrat. >> right. that is. i forgot about that. >> that point was made by hillary last night that he only recently became a democrat. although, he tried to give his credentials in terms of his democratic alliances. i give bernie credit for bringing up the issue of campaign finance. it's an important issue. he's pointing out how big money has infiltrated all of these races, you know, but nothing has been done about campaign finance. he's been in congress for a number of years, hillary's been there, and nothing has been done. so he's made it a focal point. let's see if his campaign can actually energize congress to do something about the amount of money that intrudes into these campaigns, presidential on down to city council. >> but his campaign has the

passion, as jeff points out, and it's very clear -- middle class is being screwed. that's the message. >> oh, yeah. that's the message. >> and he's making hillary -- just in football-ese positioning -- making her move left. the republicans move right, it's making her move left. >> is he making her better? >> i don't know, because what he's making is michael bloomberg more... >> young hillary was bernie sanders. >> ooh, that's a good point. >> even more so. but what's amazing about this race to me, at least at this point, is that bernie is attracting young women. here we have a woman who is at the point where she can make history in america, and, you know, a lot of young women are just disregarding that. >> wow. >> well, remember, a lot of people don't like hillary, either. let's be honest about that. as far as getting 600-some thousand dollars for making three speeches, you know, those type of things -- >> what's wrong with that? >> [ laughs ] >> i know -- i would love to do it. but they see her, like, being the "richy-rich," you're not gonna help the middle class, like you just said. >> hey, real quick -- who's winning new hampshire -- republican, democrat? >> trump. >> trump. >> trump and bern. >> trump and bern.

>> rubio. rubio comes second. >> i think he could come in. >> rubio could potentially surprise us. >> all right, let's move on. montgomery county judge allows bill cosby's sex assault case to stand. the 78-year-old looked frail and weak as his entourage helped him in and out of the norristown courthouse over the two-day hearing. cosby's lawyers had argued a verbal agreement was made between the entertainer and former district attorney bruce castor, promising cosby will be free of prosecution on the sex assault case if he spoke freely in a deposition during the civil case, which he did. are you surprised that cosby's well-funded lawyer team was unable to get a win on their side? >> i'm not. >> no. there were two things. one, mr. castor suggested that he would never prosecute, but then a 2005 press release said that, you know, all parties should be cautioned that he may change his mind. so you can't say never and then you can change your mind. number two, mr. castor suggested that he agreed to this non-prosecutorial agreement because he wanted to give the

victim -- alleged victim -- the leg up so that mr. cosby doesn't take the fifth. well, in a civil case, unlike the criminal case, if you take the fifth, there's an adverse inference made against you. so that doesn't make legal sense. so from both sides, both of those points, i just thought it didn't have a lot of leg, the castor theory of non-prosecution agreement. >> jeff? >> and, matt -- and that's why i'm gonna with ajay first as the lawyer -- as the non-lawyer, the impression is it wasn't put in writing. i always comes down to you made an agreement on the phone, you made an agreement verbally. walter phillips, who was cosby's defense attorney, has since passed. and so there's no proof. it's not -- how... >> you can have a oral contract, but the point is there are a lot of holes here. >> understood. why wouldn't you do it in writing if it's something that serious? >> well, you know, and i'm not a lawyer, either, but from what i understand it, verbal or written, it was an agreement he could not make. how could he guarantee that more evidence would not come out in the future that would warrant bill cosby being indicted,

charged, at least tried? and here he is, as a prosecutor, saying, "well, that's not going to happen." there's no way for him to know that. he never should have made any type of agreement. >> and i'm not a lawyer, either, and the bottom line is women are very passionate about this and something has to happen, and this will go to court, go to trial. >> preliminary hearing in march, okay? they'll see if there's enough evidence to hold him over for trial. can you foresee this just being held over and the red tape and then cosby lawyers just extending things and it never really making trial anyway? >> i think it'll be tough to prosecute just on the base of the evidence and how stale it has become and time has passed. i don't think it's a cakewalk for d.a. steele. >> okay. governor wolf will propose a new budget on tuesday. even though the state doesn't even have a budget right now, the democrat will address the legislature and is proposing to add $200 million in education funding in the next fiscal year on top of the $377 million he wants in additional education funding for the current fiscal year.

yes, the budget has not been signed and it was due back on july 1, 2015. is it good that governor wolf cannot take no for an answer, or is it bad that governor wolf cannot take no for an answer? renee? >> i'm so sick of governor wolf i don't know what to do. this is absolutely ridiculous. how can you get one budget and you don't have another budget already resolved? they're not even communicating. he has no relationships with folks on the other side of the aisle, his staff don't. they're not talking. they're not doing anything. meanwhile, companies are losing out, they're losing their staff, they're closing, they're not dealing with crisis centers. people really need help. the little bit of money he gave out is still no helping. the bottom line is we need a darn budget. >> [ laughs ] >> i won't disagree with that. you know, we need a budget. i think that, constitutionally, he's trying to do his duty. you know, "we don't have a budget, but i'm constitutionally bound to look ahead and do what i'm supposed to do for the next year." but you're right. the problem here is that you have the republicans and the democratic governor not communicating at all. and at some point, you have to

say, "well, what's going to give? what's gonna provide some movement in this?" and he is the leader of the state, so there's more -- this is more on him than even on the republican leadership to find some way to move the ball here. >> thank you, harold. >> pensions. there has to be something that's given on the democratic side. >> that's right. >> and wolf has been a little bit iffy on it. the democrats in the house and the senate, the house especially, have been unwilling to move. and i understand. they're representing constituency. they're representing unions, public employees, government workers. that's an issue -- more than liquor reform -- liquor store reform -- state store reform -- that if they can get movement on that, i think that's where the framework agreement that was signed could come back together. >> got to go to a break. we'll be right back. >> "inside story" is presented by temple university. temple fuels students with academics and opportunities to take charge. plugged into the city, powered by the world. temple.edu/takecharge.

♪ >> we're back with "inside story." shock in the philadelphia labor community -- the united brotherhood of carpenters has ousted long-time local carpenters head edward coryell. the 17,000 local members now answer to a new merger of councils now based in edison, new jersey, not in philadelphia. now, coryell had been in a long-term fight with the pennsylvania convention center, which locked the carpenters out back in 2014 in favor of working with john dougherty and his electricians union.

so, ajay, do you think that had anything to do with it? >> well, you know, i can only repeat the good analysis that i read from john dougherty. one, i think it was a misstep with the convention center. two, i think they endorsed the wrong mayor, as well. those were two... >> anthony williams. >> yep. anthony williams. i think it's becoming clearer that there's being a consolidation of power base here within the union and they're uniting. and i would not be surprised if the carpenters and the electricians get even closer now as a result of this ouster. >> which would be a good thing? >> it would be a good thing. >> for the convention center and elsewhere? >> a good thing for the labor movement. i don't know if it'd be a good thing for everything else. >> i'm glad you made that clear. i'm glad you made that clear. >> already such a strong power base. there is no counterpunch to the punch that is so strong that comes from the labor movement. >> bad that there's a headquarters now in edison? >> yeah, well, you know, this is sort of inside politics for the labor unions in philadelphia in terms of what's happening.

ed coryell has played a bad role in the city of philadelphia. he's been a detriment to the city in terms of what happened at the convention center. on the other hand, you know, to see that john dougherty is, you know, making his power in the city even stronger could be something that will be regretted by the city in the long term, to see that power solidified. and any one non-elected individual is somewhat frightening. >> everyone always brings up mayor kenney because they've been, you know, recently political partners here. >> mm-hmm. >> the other thing about coryell -- and i agree with my co-panelists here, though -- he was on many boards and served the community very well. he was on the independence blue cross. he had done some number of things. and the carpenters were a very strong movement. remember, who's a carpenter? none other than bob brady. >> that's it. >> so, it's sad in someways, too. >> well, when you go against some folks politically, things will come back and bite you sooner or later. and that's reality and that's

what happened. >> there's a bit of a political -- and i wouldn't call it a fight just yet -- but there's a disagreement going on in north philadelphia. temple wants a new home for the owls, even though the mayor is against it. now, temple's president says the school is going forward with plans to build a $100 million football stadium in north philadelphia. some students and community members got together expressing concerns at a meeting with the student government. and you remember, mayor kenney said -- and this was before he was mayor -- back in december that he would prefer temple to continue playing at lincoln financial field, maybe get a better deal, and not build a new stadium there in that neighborhood. so, why aren't the mayor and temple on the same page here? >> well, temple has to do what temple has to do. i'm an owl. i went to temple undergrad, as well as law school. and i can't remember a time when people had "t" on their faces until recently when the football program was so successful. the fact is -- whether you debate it one way or the other -- $100 million spent on a football stadium to make it like a penn state type of environment

benefits in the long run getting national attention, as well -- money that can also go into academics and making temple even a stronger university nationally. so, temple community has to do what is best for temple and its alums and the future of temple university. >> but the bottom line, ajay, is that they got to get people to buy into this so this will really work for them. >> have you seen how many people are walking around with the t's? >> i don't have one. but i'm just saying you have to communicate to the community and buy into this thing and make it work, not just to communicate to the mayor, those folks. so, let's sit down and talk about this and make this thing work so they're more unified instead of all over the place. that's how i'm seeing it. >> i have to disrespectfully disagree with you, ajay. it almost sounds like you're saying, "if they build it, they will come," and that's not necessarily true with big-time college football. anyone that knows me knows that i'm probably the biggest university of alabama football fan in... >> uh-oh. >> how did he get on this show? >> you've had a good year. >> we've had a very good year. i have the "roll tide" tag on

the back of my car -- my new jersey tags. but look, you know, i've seen the stadiums with 100,000 people in them, and they have a very large fan base. you don't build that overnight. and they didn't build the stadiums first and then build the fan base, which is what temple is trying to do. temple has been successful. i think they'll be even more successful. but i think it may be premature to spend that much money on a stadium when they still can get a better agreement as mayor kenney is proposing with the eagles to use the lincoln financial field. >> one person hasn't brought up yet, and we all know, is the city council president, darrell clarke, who has come out, so far, against it to the point where you must -- and he represents that district, as well. and he's got to get those stakeholders lined up, and it's going to take time. the other difficulties, it's very hard to measure, ajay, the economic impact. it's not a quantitative measurement. it's a qualitative measurement of what temple's been able to do in the community. and they have to continue to succeed. >> i said you got to get people to buy into it. >> you said that. >> [ laughs ]

>> inside stories of the week coming right up. ♪

>> "inside story" is presented by temple university. temple fuels students with academics and opportunities to take charge. plugged into the city, powered by the world. temple.edu/takecharge. >> inside stories of the week. we start with harold. >> well, this is still black history month. i hope people will celebrate it, observe it. if they pick up their sunday inquirer, they'll see a column that i wrote urging people to celebrate black history by looking at events rather than people. if they do that, it'll be easier to incorporate it into some of our high-school history courses. >> thanks, harold. renee? >> that's good, harold. mine is 2016 is the 20th year of online education for drexel. they were like a pioneer in this, so that's a good thing. and they've been, by world news, ranked one of the best providers in programs. and they have certificate programs. then they also are ranked number eight as far as who they

are and what they do as far as online. so if you're interested, check out drexel online. >> thanks, renee. ajay? >> matt, two statistics jumped out at me. one, that 80 individuals collectively have more wealth than half of humanity. and two, that more than half of americans have less than $1,000 in their savings account. if you believe that bernie sanders "feel the bern" movement will not last beyond the campaign, even non-socialists like me have noticed these alarming trends. >> thanks, ajay. jeff? >> my statistic is 43. 43% of americans right now identify themselves as independent. if we see the republicans with a ted cruz or a donald trump and the democrats with perhaps a bernie sanders get to the nomination or get close to the nomination, we're gonna see someone perhaps by the name of michael bloomberg, former mayor of new york, get in the race. and here's why he could win -- different than a ross perot in '92 and john anderson 1980 -- he will self-fund and he has the right temperament. watch out -- this race could get even more interesting.

>> so says jeff jubelirer on this sunday in february of 2016. new hampshire primary on tuesday. we got governor wolf's speech -- his budget speech on tuesday. we're gonna have some stuff to talk about next week on "inside story." join us then, and join me monday morning on action news. we start at 4:30 a.m. >> oh, my. >> see you later. have a great sunday, everyone. ♪ i'm nydia han along with gray hall. coming up next on "action news," a philadelphia police officer is dragged by a car during a traffic stop. we're live with the latest information. a dog attack sends a 14-year-old girl to the hospital. police are investigating. super bowl 50 is finally here, we're live in santa clara, california with a preview of the big game. those stories and more next on "action news." good afternoon, it is

sunday, february 7. i'm nydia han along with gray hall. here's some of the story following on "action news." one suspect in in custody after a philadelphia police officer is dragged by a car during a traffic stop we're live. five people are forced out into the cold after an