>> i'm monica malpass. the pennsylvania election-day upsets. the keystone state primary did matter. let's get the inside story. ♪ good morning, and welcome to "inside story." let's meet our insiders. they are sharmain matlock-turner, non-profit executive. good morning. >> hi, monica. good to see you. >> good to see you. dom giordano, radio talk-show host. welcome back. >> thanks, monica. >> nelson diaz, attorney. good morning to you, sir. >> happy birthday. >> oh, thank you. [ laughter ] and jan ting, law professor. >> good morning. >> good to have you all back. i guess nobody predicted the size and scope of some of the leads that many of these candidates were able to win by in pennsylvania. but let's start with the pennsylvania senate race, which was really, on many levels, an upset. katie mcginty did have party backing -- some of the biggest names in the party, of course, including president obama. and a lot of late money that bought campaign ads. and people are now saying it was because there were so many undecideds that heard those advertisements and bought into

it, and that's why she won. were you surprised? >> no, not really, because i know the party, i think, hates joe sestak. the fetterman guy, i thought, i've interviewed, was gonna do better, the guy from western pennsylvania. and he and sestak are the same. and i saw a stat where you would go through a week, almost every one of us saw 30 katie mcginty ads during those last couple weeks. >> right. >> that's a heck of a lot. and she is someone innocuous, somebody that you wouldn't have a negative toward, so it doesn't surprise me. but the scope of victory was a little bit high, yeah. >> and it was really, also, organizational, nelson. boots on the ground. getting out the vote is key, as we all know. >> yeah, i think one of the things that people don't realize is marcel groen, who was the chairman of the montgomery county party, is now the chairman of the pennsylvania democratic party. and he's an incredible leader. he changed montgomery county. shapiro, obviously. and in addition to that, they had the president. so, everywhere the president was and everywhere marcel was, the combination of that, i think, was a big difference in terms of the election. the president campaigned, and

they brought so much money. the dscc, which is the democratic senate committee, put a lot of money. the women's group put a lot of money. >> yeah, emily's list. emily's list put a lot of money in, as well. >> but a week before the election, joe sestak was ahead. and it wasn't a flipped margin very close. it was a pretty sizeable lead. >> well, it shows, then, that maybe her polling wasn't that great. i mean, i think the race started to turn in march, when the president and the vice president came out for her, when women's organizations were very solidly in her corner. and then, as nelson, i think, and everyone else said, then the democratic establishment worked very, very hard to make sure that she had the support that she needed on the ground. >> and was it also a matter of gender, though? she's the only woman on the stage. three other men. hillary's at the top of the ticket for the democrats. >> i think it was more that, if you were gonna defy the party and vote against the party and resist all the commercials and all the money that was being spent, the problem was you had too many choices. that was joe sestak's problem. he was right to oppose this fourth-candidate, vodvarka, and

try to keep him off the ballot, because vodvarka got 6% of the vote, more than 80,000 votes, that might otherwise have gone to the other non-establishment candidate. and fetterman -- >> 20%. >> fetterman did really well. so, the problem was, if you were gonna vote against the establishment party, you had too many choices out there, and sestak paid the price. katie mcginty did come from behind, but she had that advantage of having the split opposition. >> how much irony does anybody see that in 2010, sestak was hurt by low voter turnout, this time he's hurt by high voter turnout? >> well, and i think the toomey camp, i can't say inside, but i think sestak is a much tougher competitor than mcginty. i know the year of the woman. i know all that stuff. she was propped up in this. and when she's in the ring with toomey, sestak was able to handle that, and that was a really, really close election the last time. >> well, then toomey must be feeling really great because she won. i think she's gonna be absolutely a formidable candidate. i think, number one, as we know in pennsylvania, there are no

women in the delegation, either at the senate level or in congress. and i think that's gonna play really well, and i think turnout's gonna be very, very high. i think she's gonna be extremely competitive, and i think senator toomey is really gonna have a candidate to work with. >> i think sharmain is pretty correct, because you're gonna also have the tail effect, with hillary being in the front of the ticket versus trump being in the front of the ticket. trump has been an anti-woman issue. hillary, being pro-women, will bring a lot of women out to vote. and as you know, there's more women that vote in the state than men. >> right. >> well, i would say, though, that trump might put pennsylvania in play with these reagan democrats and union types. and just the swell of people that came out in the suburbs around here to vote for trump was just shocking to me, really. >> let me just say, this was a really tough loss for joe sestak, who's been working on this race for six years. >> right. >> ever since he got edged out by senator toomey. so, it's been a long road for him, probably definitively the

end of the road, i think. >> i wouldn't say that. >> look how important the machine is. >> yeah. >> because she came in last when she ran for governor... >> right. >> ...and she comes in first when she runs for the senate. when you've got the rendell, the johnny docs, and the -- all of the party officials, including northwest, where she got 11% of the vote out of the northwest, which is where the congressional race was decided. when you look at all of that -- and you know better about the northwest than i do... >> [ chuckles ] >> ...you will see that it is the change. >> right. all right, let's move on to talk about the chaka fattah loss. it's the end of an era, as we all know. an 11-term congressman was unseated in the primary, as it were, by dwight evans. so, a win for dwight, of course. we'll talk about both sides. but was anybody surprised that that's how it actually played out? other people who have been indicted or accused of crimes have gone on to win reelection in other cities. >> i was a bit surprised, because i knew the pitch, and fattah has been in office since he was 26. >> right. >> i know, i've interviewed him a hundred times.

and i was surprised that it went that way. dwight's very formidable. you have the corruption allegations out there. >> right. >> i still thought it would be very close, and he might eke it out. >> and what's interesting is, lucien blackwell was who chaka fattah replaced and unseated. now he was unseated as well in a similar primary circumstance, and in that same union hall, as it turns out. >> yeah, i think in the end, as i think i said early on, i think the voters have heard this story for so long. i mean, with his son being found guilty, and even -- and i want to say if, if, if. we have no idea what ultimately is gonna happen, and everyone is innocent until they go through a process. i do think, though, that people were just starting to get a little weary and a little sad. i wanted to see whether or not voters would be sad or mad. if they were mad, i thought the congressman had a good chance of being able to pull it off. i think they were more sad and weary about the argument, and he ended up having very little money to be able to get any kind

of message out to the voters. and dwight was absolutely considered a really good, solid candidate who could replace him. >> so, despite that he lost his power on the appropriations committee five or six years ago, dwight evans seems to have found a new power source. >> yeah, that's right. and interestingly enough, i thought this was interesting, evans is actually older than fattah. >> couple years, yeah. >> so, the voters went for the older candidate, as opposed to when blackwell was upset. but i think sharmain is absolutely right, that fattah's problem has critically been money, and the lack of money. and so he was reduced to really doing retail politics this time around. >> there's more than that. >> and it wasn't enough. >> there's more than that, which essentially is that the party was not very aggressively supportive of fattah or some other candidates. even though they claimed to be endorsing those candidates, they did not. and so there was some kind of a commitment by the party to... >> dwight. >> ...dwight evans.

and a commitment to other people that obviously won the election that were not endorsed, like shapiro, who was not endorsed by the party. >> right. and fattah's trial is coming up in just a couple weeks. >> i mean, i don't think it was any surprise mayor kenney came out for him, the governor came out for him. dwight had been solid supporters there. certainly, as nelson talks about, the northwest was solidly there, even though, in the 22nd ward, for those who know inside politics, a little part of mount airy, they were not, as an organization, supportive of him. but again, i think this whole issue of, number one, not having a person of color in the delegation in pennsylvania in 2016 was not acceptable. >> right. all right, let's talk about the attorney general's race. josh shapiro the winner. in fact, it's gonna be, in the fall, two montgomery county candidates, which will be interesting. john rafferty, as well, on the republican side. again, someone with not much trial experience in a courtroom. but that did not seem to matter in the end to voters. and, jan, what did you make of his win? >> well, i think shapiro scored

a big victory. rafferty should not be underestimated. he actually got more primary votes than shapiro did. so, i think it's gonna be a tough race very much focused on montgomery county. >> and they both were campaigning, as it were, at least in a shadowing sense, against kathleen kane's problems, her indictment and her upcoming criminal trial, and saying they're gonna clean up that office and the dirty politics that have been alleged. >> right. >> how much do you think that'll actually shape the race in the fall? it certainly did in the primary. >> well, i think josh is a very attractive candidate, young man, and i think this is a stepping stone for the governor's race. and to some extent, it was a test for him whether or not he has appeal statewide. and so this is the beginning of, i think, the josh-statehood relationship, and it's a big win for him. >> could have gone either way in the final analysis, though, because, actually, a couple of the other candidates, mr. zappala, they were trying to get shapiro to concede and say he lost. >> mm-hmm. >> but obviously he waited and counted the votes, and he didn't lose at all. but zappala has the name recognition from his dad.

>> right. and shapiro, i've said on this show on my own, he has tremendous, to me, josh does, leadership out of montgomery county, clean, not corrupt, and all that. and i don't know that you need to be a prosecutor after kathleen kane. it's not about that. it's about a guy who is organized, efficient, and has run a good job out there in montgomery county. >> and he was everywhere. right. >> you can't forget the president. >> his endorsement. >> the president came out for him. but he was everywhere. and he is one of the most likeable young politicians, i think, that are out. you see him a crowd, you see him talk to other people. >> friendly. right. >> right. >> he gives almost sort of like that sort of clinton-esque kind of thing when he first came out. you get the sense that he's really talking and listening to you. and he has some very interesting positions. i loved his position on education, where he talks about there being something wrong, legally, about how we fund education in this state. so i think he had good issues, and i think he's extremely likeable. and i do agree with you. i think it is possibly a stepping stone to the governor. >> all right. let's talk about, on a national

level now, donald trump, hillary clinton. both were key here in pennsylvania, hoping for all those delegates. hillary won four of the five states on primary day, including pennsylvania, and donald trump, won five out of five. but it was the fact that he won in 67 counties. wasn't that surprising to you guys? >> i'm told he won every county in those five states. >> right. remarkable. >> so, i mean, it was completely unexpected. and it's a demonstration of trump's appeal to the republican base. >> and where does he go now? because although pennsylvania did matter, you know, a lot of folks would say that it wasn't a surprise that they both won here. they had been projected to. but what comes next is gonna be the key. >> indiana is the alamo for ted cruz. and you put in a vp choice, and then you bring bobby knight in on the other side, this is heavy stakes. i think if cruz wins indiana, i don't think it's over, though, because he's well-organized in california. the takeaway i had from this election is not just trump. it's the trump supporters that ran for delegate. and a couple cruz people, outsider, beat the party,

particularly in bucks county. >> hm. >> that's really hard to do, to become a delegate, which is critical, because they're uncommitted when they head to cleveland. >> absolutely. >> i think this was trump's super tuesday. i really do. i think it's over. i think he's gonna win indiana. i think he's gonna win california. i looked at even some of the wards in philadelphia where there were small numbers of republicans, but even in the african-american wards, trump won the republican votes there. there is something about the appeal of this gentleman at this point that seems to be crossing a lot of barriers. we were talking a lot about the fact he was being -- he was attracting those without college educations. well, that wasn't true on tuesday. >> right. >> he was attracting people who made more money and people with a college education. i think it's -- honestly, i think it's hillary clinton and donald trump in november. >> and in pennsylvania in the fall, who will take the stage? it's typically been a clinton, obama win here, but it really is an interesting year where all bets are off about anything.

nelson. >> well, you know, i was fascinated about the establishment, when boehner called him lucifer, and the fact that the establishment hates cruz even more than they hate trump, and they would be more satisfied with trump. so i think trump might be able to bring the party together, and i think we've got to be very careful on the democratic side. we may [stammering] nobody ever gave him a chance to win at all, and now he's winning the nomination. >> a lot of this depends on women. i know what the polling says, and i agree with the polling. the unfavorables for donald trump with women are worse than the unfavorables for hillary with men, which is very hard to imagine, but they are. is that accurate, or will women vote some other way versus personality here with trump? >> and it'll be shaped by the republican national convention, coming to our area, of course. >> trump has been underestimated at every stage of this campaign. >> and if you underestimate him at this point -- >> now it's gonna turn against him. and so you simply cannot underestimate this guy. >> so, can he pull it out in ohio? can he do it? >> i think he -- he certainly --

>> or will they change all the rules in the party? >> he's certainly gonna be the nominee. he's certainly gonna control the party thereafter. and i think it's a new day for the republican party, with a new set of issues. and, you know, people have been saying, "why do these republican voters keep voting against their own self-interests? they keep voting, supporting the guys who want tax cuts for the rich, and who want to cut the benefits that working people need." and finally, the republican voters are saying, "no more of that. we're not gonna do that." >> "we're done." >> "we're gonna support the guy who, among other things, says, 'i'm gonna protect your benefits.' we're not gonna cut government benefits." >> social security is secure, right? >> yeah, social security, medicare, are gonna be secure. >> and when hillary's here in july in philadelphia for the dnc, do you think there will be any surprises? who's gonna be her running mate, for example? >> well, that's a good question. >> oh, that's a great question. i still don't picture elizabeth warren. it's more i could tell you the people that will not be. i always thought it was the castro brother that heads up hud, and i thought that was -- >> maybe bernie sanders? she would take those young people with her. >> oh, can you imagine? oh, my god. >> i can see that. >> the two unstop-- there's got to be some level of likability

and compatibility, and i think you got to work well a little bit, so i can't picture it. but hillary is very, very much businesslike. she remembers al gore and bill clinton, who were kind of the same guy from the same moderate base, and how well that worked. >> all right. we should take a break. >> i think she'll pick a liberal. >> we'll have to wait and see. we're gonna take a break. "inside story" continues after this. >> it's all democrats. >> "inside story" is presented by temple university. remarkable change isn't easy, but for those who take charge, it comes naturally. explore temple's impact. visit temple.edu/impact.

♪ >> welcome back to "inside story." let's talk about philadelphia city government oversight, and a couple of issues that have sprung up in the last couple days. pgw is getting a new board, the philadelphia gas works. but there's some interesting questions about some approved secret retention bonuses. any comment on that? >> yeah, well, having been a member of the pgw board, what i can say is that this whole issue came about as a part of the sale process and not wanting to lose the executives. it was never meant to be anything, in my opinion, that was secret. certainly, it was something that should be known, and something that should definitely be shared with the broader community, and the reasons for those decisions. >> and just a leftover of that sale. >> marian tasco was not very happy about seeing those bonuses. >> right. >> she's back on the board. she was on the gas commission before that. she's got her protégé on the gas commission. so i think those bonuses are

gonna be history. [ laughter ] >> all right, now let's talk about city controller alan butkovtiz, who did a review of the post office locally, the mailroom. said a couple of years ago it was in disarray. now says it's 10% worse. according to him, this is his comment, that it's not only disorganized, but that the workers are not doing the work. they're lazy. those are all his comments. and what do you make of that, jan? >> well, you know, i think where there's smoke, there's fire, so there's certainly some concern that's shared, i think, by a lot of people in city government that things aren't going out as quickly as they ought to be going out. but this is a fixable problem, and if the administration can't fix it, then they're in bigger trouble than we think. >> all right. what will happen? it hasn't been fixed the first time that he cried foul. now here we go. >> i predict, two years from now, we'll be doing a show, and you'll ask that question, and we'll say the same thing. [ laughter ] >> it'll be 20% worse. >> yeah, 20%! >> okay. hopefully not. >> exactly. >> all right. let's talk about the medical marijuana issue that did pass in the state of pennsylvania. but some people still say there are pros and cons.

obviously helpful to people who have serious medical issues. you can certainly register for it if you have one of 17 conditions, get pills, oil, and ointments. it's not the smokeable kind. but what about people who get sort of trapped in the middle of that? there was one custody battle, for example, somebody had to take a drug test. they had a back pain, they take the medical marijuana. but they could have lost their children failing that drug test. so there are some downsides. >> it's always the devil in the details. and i think this is a good day for pennsylvania, and a lot of conservatives support this. the only downside is when people try to backdoor, as happened in california, and start to say, "i have a headache. i ought to be able to get high." that's where you get pushback. but isn't it amazing, there was not a lot of pushback on this. and i know the one guy, folmer, the senator, is very conservative, that helped to push this through. think he was a cancer survivor. so, you're seeing people recognize, give people a choice. get government out of the way of this. >> and you do have to have doctor's permission. >> there's very restrictive access. you know, for 17 specified grounds. and it's not smokeable

marijuana. it's, you know, ointments and liquids and pills. so, it's -- you know, a lot of people's concerns about rampant marijuana use leading to other things i think are addressed very carefully in this bill. >> well, pennsylvania's not the first. there's 24 states that have already done this. and people thought we'd never get gambling because of the middle of the state. we got gambling. people thought we'd never get marijuana, we got marijuana. i just think there is a changing in the attitudes, of understanding the medical benefits, and understanding we have to get revenue somehow. revenue is a big issue in the state, and this is the best -- you see colorado. colorado's rich in revenue. we need some revenue, and i think that's part of it. >> i think the big question's gonna be, what's next? what are other conditions? you know, what's the next bill? how do we continue to relax, relax? i mean, this whole issue of ultimately trying to get to decriminalization, and ultimately legalization i think is still gonna be ongoing. >> i would predict, monica, just one quick thing.

we'll have legalized marijuana before the lcp goes out of business, though. [ laughter ] watch. that's another prediction. >> that'll be the next generation's problem. well, let's go back to one of the broader themes. sort of a macro approach to what happened on election day. really, i guess, the bottom line is, people running for president want to win the presidency, but they also want to have a congress that they can be part of, and not always be opposed to as we've had in a number of years recently. so, is the win for katie mcginty in the senate primary race one of the steps they hope toward, to see change in pennsylvania and across the country, to get one party sort of not in control of everything, but at least to have a favorable group? >> oh, i think it was a big deal that they're really fighting very hard, the democrats especially, to try to get a democratic majority in the senate. i mean, there are a lot of big decisions that need to be made around trade and around taxes. >> supreme court. >> and the big topper is definitely the supreme court. and so i think it's gonna be a huge fight. but, yes, i definitely think

that makes a big difference. >> there are two states that are winnable. florida has become a democratic state. you know, rubio is out. he's not running. >> right. >> and florida has a large puerto rican population, which has migrated out of puerto rico, and so the state has totally changed. so they know they're gonna get florida. they know now they can get pennsylvania. so, they're getting closer and closer to a majority in the senate. >> all right. and do you see a seat change in general now, as we have some changing faces on the tickets and a new generation, as it were, looking at medical marijuana and other issues that are passing that have been tried for years and failed? >> well, i think the phenomenon of the year is donald trump, and i think that changes everything. he puts it in an entirely -- he spoke out this week about defending transgender people and their right to use whatever restroom they need to use. he's never said a bad word about gay people as far as i can tell. so, he's a different kind of republican. >> i would say he's busy, though, badmouthing several

other groups. i mean, he doesn't have time to badmouth gay people. >> all right, we have to wrap it up. last quote. >> i would hope we'd be getting past the culture wars. if there's any sort of silver lining in the donald trump cloud, which i still consider a cloud, i do think, if we can get past some of these cultural fights and really get back into, what does it mean to build an economy that is inclusive for everyone, and that we can fund education, that we can fix our roads and bridges and really make a difference for people? >> we'll have to leave it at that. >> that's the essence of trump's appeal. >> nobody knows trump. >> all right. we're gonna have to wait and see. inside stories coming your way right after this. ♪ blinds to go's new cascade shades. gentle diffused light when you want it. darkened privacy when you don't. modern elegance always. right now take 30% off our entire selection of beautiful cascade shades. let the sun shine in. or don't. it's all good. blinds to go. blinds for life.

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nominees for president, we're gonna enter this campaign with a new thing. immigration is gonna be a centerpiece of this campaign, with clinton doubling down on president obama's initiatives to stop deportations and widen the amnesty to a broader group of illegal immigrants. and trump obviously is gonna try and end illegal immigration and limit even legal immigration going forward. the obama administration is worried about this. >> all right. nelson. >> ambassador mari carmen aponte was the first puerto rican to pass the bar in pennsylvania. she will be given an honorary doctorate degree by temple university this friday, which i will be participating in. in 150 years, she was the first ambassador ever from puerto rico. >> terrific. all right. dom. >> well, i'm so happy that bernie sanders, while here, took the right position in my view, came out against the soda tax. said it's regressive, hurts the poor, et cetera. and now in the liberal blogosphere and new yorker magazine and others, monica, people have picked up on that, and they're calling

bernie sanders out. i think it gives energy to the anti-soda tax. >> all right. sharmain. >> monica, we lost a great labor leader this week. sam staten sr., who was head of the laborer's union here in philadelphia, really helped to build that union into a place for really good wages, and also for really good jobs, especially for people of color in our city. >> thank you so much. and that's "inside story" for this week. we appreciate you watching. we'll see you right back here >> i'm in an nain long with gray hall. coming cup next on "action news," today's rain did not stop thousands of runners from lacing up for the broad street rhawn. we're live. the president for -- presidential candidates are in indiana. two union react or reject a crack deal. the exclusive accuweather seven-day forecast next on

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