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the brussels airports. they couldn't get out. had no place to go. there were no planes anymore. the subway shut down. the busses and trains shut down. the highways are taken over by emergency services. people were walking down the highways, carrying and pulling their bags. taxi drivers have come back to the airport and are picking people up, free of charge, and taking them where they need to go. it reminds me of 9/11 and the ferry operators who came back across the hudson river, picking people up on manhattan island, afs i mong i was among them, to get us back to new jersey on that day. in these terrible instances, there is the sense of community and coming together to try to help people in their darkest hours. >> we had an american nato consultant we spoke to on the phone earlier who had been at the airport, dropped off his girlfriend and witnessed the explosions. he had taken a fellow american -- >> from ohio. >> before that point, a stranger, and said, come with me.
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you have nowhere else to go. if there is a silver lining, it's always that there is humanity in the midst of all this. >> tom, thank you very much. interests me that tom said the belgium law enforcement detonated that belt that they found at the airport. believed to have been an undetonated suicide belt. i guess you have to do that because those things are unstable. could cause harm to anyone working in that area, in terms of a police or first responder. but you have to wonder then, what do you lose there terms of potential evidence to help track down these terrorists, who they were and whether there might be more out there. >> exactly. keir simmons has been following this for us. good morning. what are you learning? >> hey, good morning. we're hearing increasingly from witnesses, particularly who were at the airport, describing what they saw and heard. i want to take you through some of the accounts. they really are distressing.
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the smoke and degree that wasbris left at the airport, one witness saying people were crying, shouting. krirn children. it was a horrible experience. i don't want to think about it. i would probably have been in the place when the bomb went off. this person says, clearly describing that they were close to being exactly where the explosion happened. many people saying as they were entering the airport or moving through the airport, the explosion happened. one of their first thoughts was, what about if i had been there? i was about to go there. i had just been there. another witness saying, 20 meters from us, we heard a big explosion. it's like when you're at a party and suddenly, your hearing goes out from a big noise. another one saying, took a very long time for the ambulances to come. maybe half an hour. another witness, everything was coming down. glass, it was chaos, unbelievable. it was the worst thing. people were running away.
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many of tse accounts from the airport that you're seeing there because, of course, it's a fairly open space. there would have been a large number of people who were able to be witnesses but, thankfully, were not injured. much more difficult in the metro, where a third explosion happened around an hour later. as you guys know, in those -- on those occasions, a bomb goes off in an enclosed space, anyone who is around is going to -- well, frankly, they'll struggle to survive. one person saying about the metro, it was panic everywhere. there were a lot of people in the metro, this witness says. it was, again, around 9:00 local time. it will have been just past the rush hour. still, as you guys will know from there and from anyone who travels by subway, to work or back, that kind of time is a
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have been people crowded on to that train. 20 people on that train, we are hearing, have been killed. 11 at the airport. 31 in total. >> keir simmons, helping us understand the human toll we've seen this morning. as we continue to cover these attacks in belgium, we're going to take a quick, quick momentary break.
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>> i'm sorry, it's a poor use of the world. it's kind of like a stand. it not like a big starbucks that we would could go. >> tapt is very powerful but created by some very powerful products. >> very powerful, very volatile. can be put together with those hair products where it's distilled down. again, it speaks to a level of training. is it possible could you make this without any training? maybe. but most cases we've seen people have gone over, learned how to make this and brought it back to use as part of their plot. >> we have been showing you scenes all morning long of the destruction inside the departures terminal at the airport in brussels. we have jeff hoffman, an
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for nato in brussels. he was taking his girl friend to catch a flight when these explosions occurred. it's nice to talk to you again. as we look at these images, you describe to us you were kind of between the two explosions. >> that's probably your best approximation. the first one went off i think probably closer to me than the second. i'm sorry, you can hear all the sirens in the background. the first one went off about 30 feet away. the second one was closer to the starbucks your correspondent was just discussing about 40 feet to the left of me. more towards the glass wall at the front of the airport. >> can you describe the impact, the concussion of those explosions?
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of fireworks in my time, i've never had one go dlofs meoff clesose to me, the shock impact was nothing like i've experienced. naturally you turn and it was nothing like i've ever seen occur. >> smoke and debris, did you see the injured? >> the first explosion went off and my girl friend was directly in front of the counter. i turned and i realized what was happening. i turned toward her. the second one that occurred, i
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getting her to the ground beside the countersorry so i didn't see the immediate aftermath, and we were trying to get out of the airport because we weren't sure if there was going to be a third. i glanced around the corner and i could see what appeared to be people lying on the ground. you said after the first explosion there were screams and after the second explosion there was dead silence. what was the time delay between the first and second blast? >> i'm going to guess maybe 10 to 15 seconds. i'm well you aaware eyewitnesses are never reliable in terms of timing. i would get 10 to 15 seconds.
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you knew what the first one was and when the second one went off, you knew what you were in the middle of. >> i can only imagine what you must have been like with your girl friend and i know you made a friend while you were there and high tailed it out of the airport. what was that like? >> apparently we had been on the train but the first time i saw claude as he was crouched down close to you, i'm going to apologize to her for this later but i kind of threw her on to the baggage belt to get her behind the counter. we were inside the building for a good minute and a half before we moved out front. with all the security you've seen on the streets, it didn't
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it felt like the entire airport had emptied out and was completely quiet. so once we kind of determined, okay, maybe it's safe to head towards the doors, we moved toward the doors and that's where we encountered the first casualty that i had seen, an intact individual and blood all over his face. we managed to cross the road and that's when the chaos was beginning. we were directly across from the terminal building for a good 30 to 40 minutes trying to get a sense what was was the safes way to go. >> knowing you're a consultant for nato, you sound like a guy who pays a lot of attention to world events. you i'm sure have seen reports of attacks and tragedies in other world capitals. had you ever given thought to what you might do in a similar circumstance?
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to. i arrived shortly after the bataclan attack. i think any time that you're here, knowing what you know about this city and the issues that it deals with, i think you have to adopt a mentality of constantly looking around and being aware. it's just common sense to me in a way. i was also u.s. coast guard but i can't say that i learned anything about this from that experience. but i think in general if you're in europe these days and you watch the news and you're awhich are of what's going on, there's in question you have to watch around. my boss always texts me watch your six, which is keep your eyes out.
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said to you now having lived through this and knowing the situation in brussels and knowing the element that may have been responsible for this or probably was, will you stay? >> you know, i can't answer that question right now. i know when we talked earlier, i certainly had some closer than average calls at almost being in one place at a certain time. there's a part of me that stops and goes, no, no, i will not because this is going to continue to happen in my opinion. we're going to see more and more of this. yeah, there's the military option of dealing with isis, there's the socio option we wi which needs to be kicked into
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i have a brother-in-law that survive 9/11. and i'm still of the mindset that says you don't run away that we as a society have to mant plant a flag and a no more. my own private battle i'd say run away feels like defeat. i could use more colorful thoughts on describes my thoughts on isis but i don't want to give them the benefit of driving me out of europe. >> we really appreciate you taking time to talk to us this morning. your best for your girl friend and all of those who have been through this with you in brussels. >> you're also welcome. take care. >> tom costello, what are you learning? >> flemish television, so far
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their reporting. the airport is in flemish territory, if you will. they are reporting they are actively looking for a suspect who they believe was last seen on some sort of a surveillance photograph or camera wearing a white sweater. there may be other suspect who is obviously perished or died in the attack but one suspect they're actively seeking. and police are repeating the same thing over and over again to the media in belgium and this is please do not report on our tactics, what we are doing and where we are, we have an active situation under way. so the media in belgium are trying to adhere to that but they do report that one suspect
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missing. >> all we've seen are videos coming from cell phones and things like that. we have not even begun to scratch the surface of the surveillance footage. we'll see a lot of that coming out over the next couple of days. >> we'll have a lot more coming up, including some political reaction. the front-runners in the presidential rate, donald trump and hillary clinton, they'll join us. first these messages.savings pass! shop friday night owls and saturday early birds... and dress them up with 40 to 60% off dresses kid's dressy apparel... and new shoes for the whole family. for him - save 45 to 55% on a crisp new dress shirt and tie. and pick up a new spring handbag at 50% off. everyone gets kohl's cash too! now that's the good stuff.
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unite to fight terrorism. >> clearly this heightens concerns about security at airports and public transportation. national security is a key issue in the presidential race. a little earlier we talked to both front-runners of both parties, donald trump and hillary clinton. first our conversation with the former secretary of state. we joined now on the phone by democratic presidential front-runner hillary clinton, the former secretary of state. connect clinton, good morning to you. >> good morning, matt. from your time of secretary of state, you know that area well and you know belgium well. what was your initial reaction when you heard this news? >> it was just terrible horror, the idea that terrorists are
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heart of europe and now brussels and the number of cashfof casualties in what look to be coordinated, sophisticated attacks. we've got to stand with our allies as they have stood with us on so many occasions and we have to intensify our efforts to find and prevent terrorists from ever doing this again. it it's going to be a long challenge because there are a lot of factors including the easy accessibility. we have to be strong and steady >> we aren't yet aware whether isis is taking responsibility for this or if isis merely inspired this.
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is really at the heart of this. if you were president today, what would we be doing differently to try to get at this root cause in. >> well, savannah, you're right that we're not sure yet but it's also true that we have been confronting the threat of terrorism for quite some time and this is the latest terrible manifestation of it. we got to tighten our security. i talked about our visa system and our when i was secretary of state, we often had difficulties with our european friends because they were reluctant to impose the kind of strict standards we were looking for. that after paris has changed and we need to do much more to tighten things up.
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professionals are looking to do that. but it's unrealistic we would say we we completely shut down our borders, that would shut down commercial. but we have to do a much better job in coordination with the europeans on tracking and following anyone who has any connectivity with terrorism or terrorist activities. >> do you think europe is going to have to reconsider now that we have see how easily terrorists have moved between france and belgium and other countries? >> you know, matt, i think they already are reconsidering it. the dream of a whole free europe that was at peace is one that should not be walked away from.
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ii. but we do have to be realistic about how people move from place to maceplace. it's been my understanding the europeans are looking hard at how to better protect their borders internally. and of course they are coping with this extraordinary wave of syrian refugees and refugees from other parts of the middle east and south asia. they have labored to do that in an appropriate way. did but that, too, poses extra burdens on them. this is a time for to us reaffirm our solidarity with our union friends and allies, individually and through nato as
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the terrorist threats they face. >> in is a pore could something like this happen here? is this something that people should fear? >> well, savannah, i think we've got to recognize that the threat posed by the modern incarnation of terrorism is one that we have to be vigilant against. and i know that americans have every reason to be frightened about what they see and what happened to us in san bernardino. and remember the terrorists are trying to undermine the democratic values that are at
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weep cannot let them succeed. we have to intensify to keep americans safe and work with our friend and allies to combat threats. >> that is why perhaps some people say when you great key suspect like the one taken into custody in brussels, maybe should use some enhanced techniques and then -- is that just simply a logical step after after.
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understandable that people would be asking those kind questions. as to waterboarding, our country's most experienced and bravest military leaders will tell you that torture is not effective. it does put our own soldiers and our own civilians at risk, but keefe wee do we do have to give law enforcement and intelligent officials all the. back to the question about the cell phone, i just can't believe that we can't find a reasonable path forward here, trying to help our law enforcement professionals get the information they need, to follow up on attacks, but most
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and the privacy and safety of people who can lose their lives and be injured in an attack has to be weighed against the privacy and safety of our information. and i just still believe there's got to be a way for our great tech companies and our law enforcement professionals to figure out how to deal with that. it appears from the early reporting on capture of we also know terrorists are not stupid nech are quickly adapting. and the more they use endescriptionencryption to communicate, the more difficult it's going to be to
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forget. you're seeing these images of terror as two separate attacks unfold. one at the international airport. 8:00 a.m. local time. busy departure terminal. two explosions went off. not long after that at a train station, it appears to be inside a train car. at least 11 people were kied as we understand it at the airport. more than 20 -- excuse me -- 20 killed at the train stations and we may have hundreds of others injured. we're continuing to count the toll, including we're sorry to say, three missionaryies from utah who were injured. they're critical but don't have life threatening injuries. we'll continue to follow that. >> as has happened in other cities around the world in the past, people in brussels are basically in their homes, in their businesses, locked in, probably watching inging events unfold on their local television outlets. not being able to travel around the city. we want to get to richard engel, who has what appears to be a potentially major development on
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