supreme court there has been a conservative majority on the court. there will be a conservative majority nor at least 25 more years. final bit of evidence, jeb hensarling being talked about as treasury secretary, establishment republican -- >> head of the financial services committee now. >> congressman from dallas, wonderful man, talented, has already fought through that fannie and fridy ought to be, jen union radicalism. the one thing that i think indicates the limit of this and you limits. you really want to put the fox among the chickens in this town advocate term limits, i think pull back from that. >> because that means the lob jests take over, the permanent washington takes over from the elected members of congress. >> ben, let's talk about the flip side, i'm sure some people that are trump supporters are getting heartburn george will is feeling so happy about this after all of his talk about shaking up washington and draining the swamp are you worried that he may not be as

portrayed himself? >> i think he will be a disrupter but in a lot of ways that are unpredictable. there is really a question about how many of these internal congressional established members who have been around for quite some time are going to be part of his cabinet, part of his approach, but the fact simply is that donald trump has promised the american people a dramatic number of things. a number of different major changes in policy and in the way that washington works. in order to achieve that he's going to need more than just as george mentioned, novices along the lines of people who haven't had experience in the past dealing with policy. it's just a question of whether any of that is going to lead to a softening when it comes to the types of promises that he has delivered to the people. i don't really think that trump, though, as someone attitudinally inclined to engage in this type of promise to the american people is anyone who wants to back off of those things, i think he wants to deliver and that's why you will see a lot of

may have some significant degree of experience, a long tenure in this town they also will be people who are going to fit in terms of their approach to a dramatic level of reform, a dramatic level of change. >> one of the most striking images this week i think we will all agree was donald trump and barack obama meeting together, talking together in the oval office, they said all the right things about a smooth transition, but let's remember what mr. obama said about mr. trump on the campaign trail. >> i will conser insult, an insult to my legacy, if this community let's down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election. >> julie, what do your sources tell you about what really went on in that meeting? does mr. obama really think that he made any inroads in persuading donald trump or does he basically think trump meant what he said when he said he was going to blow up the obama

exactly what the outcome of that meeting will be. i do think that obama, he said this publicly, that he feels encouraged by the fact that trump has said he wants to at least work with the president's team for this transition period. this is such a massive process that is going to get under way right now and i think that the trump team would be smart to lean on people who have experience doing it, both in previous republican administrations but also in the current administration. i think that both men are saying all of the right things. >> but in terms of mr. obama think he made any headway? this is going to give trump supporters heartburn. >> i don't think he knows yet. if you look at some of the things that trump has said about obamacare including in the "wall street journal" interview he did say he would take under advisement some of the things that obama said during that meeting, but we have now four years where we will be able to have a much clearer picture than what has happened over the last couple days. >> i think the mainstream media has gotten this one wrong in the

about keeping preexisting conditions or keeping the idea that parents can keep their kids on their insurance until age 26, that's been part of republican policy for years in terms of reforming obamacare. that is not a change. >> it's not a change and he has talked about some of those things during the course of the campaign as well. i think it was striking, though, to hear him say that he heard what the president said and would take that under advisement. >> we ask you for questions for the panel and we got a bunch about this question of which trump we will see james cam rot at thatcm sent th on facebook, how will donald trump balance his brash and direct style which many find refreshing with the discipline required of a president? chuck, any idea how to answer james about which trump we're going to see? >> put it this way, the only person at this point who can defeat donald trump is donald trump. he is the one who has it within his power really just through

six-month period here. and we have had conflicting signals, we have seen him give a very statesmanlike speech after he was -- >> the victory speech. >> -- after he was elected and we've seen him conduct himself with great dignity in the white house and then we have, thank you, julie, last night his tweet, wow, "the new york times" is losing thousands of subscribers because of their very poor, highly inaccurate coverage of the trump phenomenon. we also had a somewhat provocative tw with respect to protesters. he has said i will be restrained with twitter. -- >> are you sure that isn't a bad thing for him to take a shot at the "new york times." >> politically i'm sure it makes his folks feel great, i'm sure it makes him feel great. here is what i'm driving at, the world is full of surprises and very often they come in the foreign policy arena for the first six months of a new president. his ability to control this side

with just about everything else he's trying to achieve. >> we have to take a break here, but when we come back we will take a look at why donald trump won and why hillary clinton lost. we break down what really happened. that's next. you're here to buy a used car, truck, suv. that's smart. truecar can help. it's great for finding a new car, but you already knew that. it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is, and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. so, no matter what you're looking for... this is how buying a used car should be. this is truecar.

i know how disappointed you feel because i feel it, too. >> every single american will have the opportunity his or her fullest potential. the forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. hillary clinton's concession speech wednesday morning after donald trump's victory speech a few hours before and we are back now with the panel. well, there are a number of ways to look back at this stunning election and why donald trump won. let's put a couple of them up on the screen. one is that the trump base of

he carried them by 39 points this week as compared to mitt romney's 25 point margin four years ago. meanwhile, hillary clinton underperformed badly. mr. trump got fewer votes in winning that romney got in losing, but hk got 5 million fewer votes than president obama did in 2012. chuck, how do you explain trump's victory? >> well, i think the first thing i have to say is to admit that i didn't expect it and that i've got this wrong and why so many others got it wrong and that leads me to my answer to your question which is like so many others, i didn't understand the surge in sentiment that was going on out there in states like wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, et cetera. and what i think that is related to is that for many people this was -- this was a vote -- and it's been called a protest, i think that's too easy. it's more like a statement. it's more like an expression.

mr. trump has said, and i think we are -- we must defer to his judgment at this point, who felt forgotten and who felt that washington was focused on the grievances of lots and lots of other people. you know, two groups formed the core of the respective parties, african-americans formed the core of the democratic party, the core of the core, evangelical whites, the core of the core of republicans. each were presented with an apocalyptic view of this election and told turn out. turn out or else you are ee doomed, it was the white evangelicals who responded more than the african-americans who showed less enthuse yam this time than they did for obama and that may have decided it. >> hillary clinton had a different explanation for her defeat, she told big donors on a conference call this weekend that fbi director comey's two letters in the final days about

her turn out and boosting trump's. julie, how do democrats you talk to, what do they think was responsible for clinton and do they think it was all about comey? >> no, they don't. democrats certainly don't think that comey's initial letter was hopeful if clinton did have any momentum going into the final week the comey letter probably slowed it. i think it's important to point out that clinton's own advisors after the first letter was sent said that their polling had letter. they were seeing something happening in this race before the comey letter got sent out. second point i would make, if you look at wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania, threes states that democrats have reliably relied on in presidential elections and you look at her numbers there, it's really hard to say that a letter from the fbi director a week before the election was the driving force there. if you look at those numbers are white working class voters, many who voted for barack obama, she did not have a message for them.

their state to even talk to them. so i think that this is becoming a crutch for the clinton campaign, but for democrats broadly they see this as part of a much bigger problem, much more than what the fbi director did. >> to julie's point about this existence of a phenomenon that seems unfamiliar to people who didn't actually go and talk to these voters, the obama/trump voter is a real thing. of the 700 counties across the county who voted for barack obama twice donald trump won 209 of them. of the for obama she won six. this is a situation where you had a number of voters who made a decision, a rational decision, that after eight years of obama they were dissatisfied with what they saw coming out of washington and they went to donald trump. and it's true, she didn't go to wisconsin, she didn't go and speak to these voters. this he spent more money chasing one electoral vote coming out of nebraska than they did in terms of wisconsin and michigan over the course of the ending days of this campaign. and it's ludicrous to suggest that non-college educated whites

were going to be so dramatically motivated by what is essentially an inside the belt way process story -- >> the comey letter. >> from the comey letter. all it did was vindicate what people already knew about hillary clinton. >> george, one of the things that -- and we've been around too long probably, we shouldn't tell people that, but one of the things i'm always amused by is at the end of the campaign, the winning campaign they were all geniuses, the losing campaign they were all dopes. the winning party they are on the course to building a permanent majority in country, the losing campaign is in tatters. how much of that is actually true? >> the losing party here is in tatters, the republican party is as strong as it's been since the 1920s and probably more. broad and deep. 69 of 99 state legislative chambers are now controlled by the republicans. 24 states they have a republican governor and the entire control of the legislature, only six states have democratic governors

34 republican governors. that means if you're looking for a deeper bench for presidential candidates for the democratic party you have to start with 16 governors is all they've got. furthermore, one-third of the house caucus from the democratic party are from three states, massachusetts, new york and california. >> i saw that. that's astonishing. >> they are in danger of becoming what the republicans were thought to be in danger of becoming, a >> but let me pursue this with you because there was so much talk before the election, before election night, just before election night, about the republican party being in shambles and that there was this split between the establishment and the cruz conservative tea party wing and the trumpists. what happened to that? >> they were united by barack obama, they were united by an agenda. chuck said people felt forgotten

sended to. and there's something about progressism which is kond session. we know what your healthcare ought to be, be quiet and take your medicine. we know how much water should come through your shower head. we're going to change your light bulbs, be quiet and take our direction and people are tired of it. >> well, i have to say i will take that as a friendly amendment, george, and i also think just when we are talking about factors here, i think worked against the democratic party this year. i did a little back of the envelope coalition about the most coal dependent states, the 25 most dependent, 20 of them trump carried. he carried ohio, michigan and wisconsin, which are the three most coal dependent states in terms of electricity generation. that power plan to focus on global warming and stuff that he pushed with a relatively thin

the -- a part at least of the small margin that contributed to his defeat. >> there is a great irony in bill clinton ending his career arguing a lonely voice within the clinton campaign that they need to pay attention to the needs and priorities of the white)w

a look at the skyline of a bell weather state that mr. trump turned into a blow out win for republicans. well, for the past 18 months we've been following the twists an turns on the campaign trail, but now we're looking ahead to the transition for president-elect donald trump. >> donald trump will be the 45th president of the united states. >> it's been what they call a historic event, but to be really

job. >> this is painful and it will be for a long time. >> he connected in ways with people no one else did. he turned politics on its head. >> and now donald trump will lead a unified republican government. >> everybody is sad when their side loses an election. but the day after we have to remember that we're actually all on one team. >> do everything we can to help you succeed because if you succeed then the country succeeds. >> mr. president, it was a great honor being with you and i look forward to being with you many,

>> of course this means that early next year trump will be moving into the white house where he will become the first president who moves in and hangs up his own portrait. >> this -- this is what it feels like when america is made great again. >> what is on the agenda today for you? remember that guy who used to host the apprentice? i dreamed we elected him president. >> and now with 68 days until his inauguration there is a lot of work ahead for donald trump and his team. and that's it for today. have a great week and we will

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