good morning. tragedy on the hudson. investigators still arching for bodies and wreckage this morning after that deadly weekend collision between a small plane and helicopter over new york's hudson river. what went wrong? new claim. the godfather of michael jackson's three children says he could be paris jackson's biological father. this morning, why he's coming forward now. and, an exclusive. kate gosselin's here for her first television interview since her marriage to jon ended. he says he's moving on. is she? the exclusive interview "today," is she? the exclusive interview "today," monday, august 10th, 2009.

captions paid for by nbc-universal television good morning. welcome to "today" on a monday morning. i'm matt lauer. >> and i'm meredith vieira. matt, welcome back. >> good to be back. >> wish we had better news to report this morning. >> so many stories over the last several days just stop you in your tracks. this morning investigators are returning to the scene of the worst air disaster in new york city in about eight years. >> as hundreds of spectators watched in horror, nine people were killed on saturday when a single engine plane with three people on-board crashed into a helicopter carrying five italian tourists. the latest on the search and the investigation into just what happened to both of those aircraft. also ahead, the latest on another tragic accident here in new york. that deadly wrong-way crash. eight people died when a 36-year-old mother, diane

schuler, her minivan filled with children drove nearly two miles on a busy parkway before slamming into an suv. police say she was both drunk and high but her husband does not believe it. this morning family members of two of the victim inside the suv are speaking out. they say those claims that alcohol and drugs were not responsible only make things worse. an exclusive interview with them coming up in just a couple of minutes. then also kate gosselin on life since her marriage to jon ended. how is she holding up? how are the kids handling things and what does her future hold? she's with us to talk about it all in just a bit. we begin with the latest on that traj igs collision between a small plane and a helicopter over the hudson river in new york. nbc's ff rossen is at the scene. jeff, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, matt. just to give you an idea how violent this impact was, the airplane and the helicopter landed in different sections of the hudson. this weekend police divers found the chopper and pulled it up. you'll see in a moment how

mangled it was. this morning we've confirmed they believe they found the airplane. the problem is it is in deep, deep water, about 50 feet down tough to get to. divers are getting back in this morning. it was that bad when crews plucked the helicopter from the hudson late sunday. some of the victims were still inside. officials say they didn't stand a chance. there were no survivors. nine people killed, their bodies were pulled to the surface in a morbid search that continues. in these chilling pictures obtained by fox news, you can see the moment of impact. the wing of the airplane was ripped right off, sending it into a nose dive. the helicopter broke apart in mid-air in a puff of smoke. jeremy clark was at the controls of the chopper. a fellow helicopter tour pilot on the ground saw the plane coming and tried to warn his friend over the radio. he spoke exclusively with wnbc. >> i said, jeremy, you have an airplane, he's off to your back right side. i said i don't know if he's

going to pass off to your back side, behind you, to your left or what. it was really just a matter of three or four seconds and there was -- i saw the impact. i'm pretty sure he heard me. i didn't get a reply because after i made clear a radio call as i could to warn him, it was just too quick. it was so quick. he was being overtaken by the other aircraft. >> reporter: we are learning more about the mid-air collision and how to happened. this single engine piper took off from new jersey's teterboro airport and flew south down the hudson toward new york city. moments later, the sightseeing helicopter took off from manhattan's west side. sources close to the investigation tell nbc news the plane may have been in a climbing right turn when it hit the helicopter. >> the main cabin did a nose dive into the hudson. when i'm watching the bodies being pulled from the river, it's very sad to know that i was watching them die. >> reporter: on-board the chopper, five italian tourists,

including this 16-year-old boy and his father. aboard this small plane, a family from pennsylvania, another 16-year-old, doug altman, his father and his uncle. the collision happened in a controversial corridor just feet from nhattan. aircraft below 1,100 feet don't even have to speak with flight controllers. it's "see and be seen." this is what can happen when there is a blind spot. tragic consequences. in january of 2009, during the miracle on the hudson when that us airways jet landed in the almost exact same spot in the hudson, wateraxis and private boats rushed to the scene to try to help save people. the same thing happened here except this time there was no one on the water to save. >> very sad. jeff rossen, thank you. the chairman of the national transportation safety brothe sc. debbie, good morning to you. as jeff just reported, divers believe they have found the plane but it is in very deep te how confident are you that you

ca retrieve the aircraft and what information do you hope it will yield? >> well, i would have to say that we've been very appreciative of the work that's been done by the divers in this investigation. they're very successful in pulling up the majority of the helicopter yesterday. they think they've had some positive hits from that sonar on the skin of the aircraft. theye going to have to confirm that today and hopefully pull it up. we'd like to examine the aircraft. clearly that's going to be a critical piece of the investigation. >> what do you hope to find by examining the aircraft? >> well, i think we've already seen some very good pictures that have been provided by citizens. if there is any other surveillance video out there, we'd be interested in that. but we'll look at the structural integrity of the aircraft, if we can see any impact marks, location where they might have had that initial impact. that will be helpful for us to document that. clearly, we want to prevent something like this from

happening again, so we're seeking to learn from this accident. >> chairwoman, when i first heard about this accident on saturday, my reaction was typical of many. i wondered on a crystal clear day how these two aircraft could not have seen each other. >> well, that's exactly why we're here. we know thathere are about 11 mid-air accidents every year in the united states. over the past ten years, we've seen 158 fatalities. so mid-air accidents do occur. what we want to try to figure out is how to prevent them, whether it's through increased ability to see other aircraft, make them more visible, better communications, better procedures or protocols, all of thatas yet to be determined. we're going to have to let the facts of this accident tell us what happened, and then we can make appropriate recommendations. >> i know that the board has been concerned about safety oversight, the lack of it. you've expressed concern in the past. the faa has seen recommendations issued by the board but chosen to not adopt them.

are you hoping that this will spur the faa to finally take some action when it comes to safety oversight in this area? >> well, the safety board has long been concerned about oversight activities. this part of the industry, part 135 operations, whether it's air tours, or ems, emergency medical service operations, or news gathering operations, there are many challenges and risks posed by different parts of the industry, and all of the parts of the industry, whether it's commercial, passenger carrying planes, or medical operations, or sightseeing, they all need the same level of scrutiny from the faa and oversight. >> you sound very diplomatic. don't mean to put you on the spot but are you frustrated none of these recommendations have been dealt with by the faa, have been approved by the faa? >> well, the good news is that 80% of our recommendations do get closed in a positive manner.

but we have about 400 recommendations right now that remain open to the faa. we would definitely like to see action on those. we believe that they would prevent additional acdents. >> debbie hirschman, thank you so much for your time this morning. good luck with the investigation. >> thank you. let us get the rest of the morning's headlines now from ann who's standing by at the news desk. ann, good morning. good morning, everybody. also in the news this morning, the president this morning is in mexico where he'll be meeting with the leaders of canada and mexico nicknamed the three amigo summit. swine flu, trade and drugs are the big topics. nbc's white house correspondent savannah guthrie is in guadalajara this morning. savannah, what's the president want from these talks? >> reporter: this is a meeting that's all about getting cooperation between the u.s. been canada and mexico. one of the big issues here of course is the swine flu. this fall it is expected to make a big comeback and the three leaders want to make sure they have a coordinated response so there is not a lot of panic and

a coordinated public health message. they're also concerned that the swine through not obstruct trade or travel at a time when all three economies are struggling. there is also a dispute over mexican trucks, whether they should be allowed to travel into the u.s. another dispute over about $100 million of funding from the u.s. to mexico to help fight the drug war. a lot of contentious issues on the agenda here. >> savannah, thank you so much. house speaker nancy pelosi and majority leader steny hoyer are speaking out against what they describe as an ugly campaign to misrepresent health care reform and disrupt public meetings on the subject. recently loud protests have erupted at town hall meetings where members of congress and cabinet members have been angrily shouted down. in an opinion piece this morning in "usa today," pelosi and hoyer say drowning out american views is un-american. that's how we failed at this task for decades. a series of bombings in iraq this morning killed nearly 40

people. near mosul, two truck bombs exploded nearly simultaneously killing at least 25 people. gas prices jumped 16 cents a gallon over the last two weeks. today aaa puts the average price for regular gas at $2.65 a gallon. overseas markets are mostly lower this morning. that's where wall street's cnbc's melissa francis is at the new york stock exchange where i understand gm and ebay are making financial news. >> reporter: that's right. they're teaming up to sell new cars online. gm has previously sold used cars online but now 225 dealers in california are participating in this trial. there is a toolen the website that will let you figure out if your used car qualifies for the cash for clunkers program. when you buy a car, you go to the dealer to pick it up. meanwhile, markets are up four weeks in a row. all major indices up 15% in that time. we want to see if the run will continue. the fed kicks off a two-day meeting tomorrow. most expect them to keep interest rates steady. >> thank you so much. two devastating typhoons are now pounding parts of asia.

so far in japan, china and taiwan, at least 14 people have been killed and hundreds more unaccounted for. in southern taiwan, people evacuated a hotel just in time. look at this. it collapsed into a river after its foundation was weakened by heavy rain. it is now 7:11. now back to matt and meredith and a special guest. >> special guest. stephanie abram is here. >> al roker's partner in crime at the weather channel. al's taking the day off. you have to work though. >> i know, but that's all right. we're not going to see a typhoon like that hitting hawai hawaii do have a tropical storm typhoon, tropical storm, typhoon, same thing, different name. this is remarkable. check this out. we don't expect to see conditions like this when tropical storm felicia heads to hawaii, which it will do. right now just a tropical storm. it will stay at that strength. the good news with this is we need the rain in hawaii. so there is a little bit of good news out of this it looks like

on tuesday is when it will reach the óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó) >> matt, over to you. now the latest on the tragic wrong-way crash here in new york. guy and michael bastardi were among the eight killed when a mother wrong her minivan in the wrong direction on a highway before slamming into their suv. in a moment we'll speak to

members of the bastardi family. >> police say before the wlek 36-year-old diane schuler was both drunk and high but her husband refuses to believe that insisting something else caused the accident. with 36-year-old diane schuler, a suburban long island mother, hiding a secret addiction? >> i go to bed every night knowing my heart is clear. >> reporter: daniel schuler says no way. he insists his wife was stone-cold sober before she drove on new york's taconic parkway in the wrong direction. >> she is not an alcoholic. something medical had to have happened. >> reporter: toxicology results tell another story. >> diane shul her a blood alcohol content of .19%. the legal limit for intoxication in new york state is .08%. >> reporter: that's the equivalent of ten shots of vodka. >> around that level of alcohol you also start to get what's called tunnel vision where your perception is changed. >> reporter: police discovered a

broken sbsolut bottle in her mini van. what's more, test results show she was high, too, after apparently mixing booze and marijuana. >> this is not a woman who would jeopardize five children. >> reporter: but the pieces seemingly don't add up. schuler was heading home to long island from a family camping trip late last month. she was driving a minivan filled with young children. two of her own, and three nieces. they left around 9:30 a.m. stopping at mcdonald's about an hour later. and then, that part's a mystery. a few hours later at 1:02 p.m. schuler called her brother and said she felt diz oriented. shortly thereafter though, she got on the highway anyway and drove nearly two miles in the wrong direction before slamming head-on into another vehicle. a horrific tragedy leaving a string of deaths. schuler herself, four of the young kids in her van.

in the other car, guy bastardi, known as the santa claus to his family. his father michael, a doting grandfather of ten. and a close family friend. their car was hit as they headed to a weekly event -- a family pasta dinner. diane schuler's 5-year-old son brian was the only person in her minivan to survive and he is still recovering from the accident. matt? >> ann, thank you very much. roseanne guzzo and margaret are the surviving daughters of the bastardis. good morning to all of you. ladies, our condolences. we're so sorry. thank you for joining us. how did you hear about the accident? >> well, i had been waiting for my father and my brother to come to my house for dinner. i kept calling my sister because they're always on time. >> that was sunday night, traditional pasta dinner? >> right. i kept calling margie and their

cell phone. then my sister -- tell them what you heard. >> my son works where my brother was the general manager. one of the tow truck drivers came in and said, "call your mom. it looks like your uncle's car." >> was in an accident. >> right. so he called me and then i called my sister and we started -- my brother-in-law saw the car on tv, said it looked like my brother's car. then we started calling the hospitals and everything. and from us calling the houses, the state police had gone in to my dad's house, saw my number on the caller i.d. and he cled my house. that's how we found out. >> initially this story made headlines because of the sheer loss of life, the tragedy of this. and then more headlines after that, that test results had shown that the woman driving this car diane schuler had twice the legal limit of alcohol in her blood, and apparently was high as well. can you just give me a sense of your response when that element of the story surfaced?

>> we were -- it was almost like we were getting the news for the first time. you know, if you think of an accident, you may say, well, you know, this was an accident. but after hearing that, it didn't have to happen. we were very angry and upset. this didn't have to happen. you know? she had a choic a and she made choice and this is what happens when you drink and you do drugs and you get behind the wheel of a car. >> yet her husband says she was hat,rf tet aecas wt, trft she was a great wife and mother, that she would have never done this. how do you respond to that? how do these -- those two statements -- or that statement, how does it correspond to what you've now learned? >> you know what? i don't believe everything we hear from the schuler family. when he says about his heart is clear? my heart is bken at night. okay? i lost my father and my brother, my family is devastated by this. but i feel like if he's going to -- he's in denial. because somehow, somewhere along

the line, you have to know somebody can drink like that. i mean my sister and i can't drink like that. >> it was revealed that daniel schuler himselfad been arrested for dwi back in 1995 after being seen driving erratically. you would think they would be even more vigilant or more aware of the dangers. >> right. >> we still can't believe that she could get into the car with the kids. >> your dad was the rock of the family. i know that's how he's been described. your brother, guy, the santa claus, did kind things for a lot of people. i know you've been receiving condolences from all around the untry. >> yes. especially people who -- they lost their loved ones through the same kind of tragedy, somebody who's drinking and driving. i mean you hear about it, but until you go through it, it is really something that i hope that they come up with new rules or new guidelines or something.

and for moms, if they're going to drink, or think about it, you're going in the car with your children. >> i understand a flower arrangement came at the funeral and it was just signed "the public." >> yeah, from "the public." >> irving, is there some sort of civil action that's going to be filed? >> well, right now it is a little bit premature because the accident -- i shouldn't say the accident -- the killing took place fairly recently. and there's a lot of investigations that have to be completed. and we don't want to be irresponsible and just rushing to file an action. but you can rest assured that we'll do everything necessary to protect the rights of my clients. i know the bastardi family for a number of years, and a wonderful family. i happened to have made out a will for the father who was killed just a month ago. he said, well, i hope i don't have to use this for the next 20 years. and that's life. you know? it's one of those things.

>> it shouldn't happen. >> roseann and margaret, our condolences. thank you so much for joining us. irving, thank you as well. 20 after the hour. there is another bizarre twist this morning in the michael jackson case. the godfather of jackson's three children now says that he could be the biological father of jackson's daughter paris. this as the issue of a possible michael jackson movie takes center stage in court. nbc's george lewis is outside the los angeles superior court with more. good morning to you, george. >> reporter: good morning, meredith. call this latest chapter in the jackson soap opera "all my children." new questions about who really fathered michael jackson's kids, as his lawyers try to shore up the jackson estate. who could ever forget jackson's 11-year-old daughter paris at his memorial service? >> daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. >> reporter: but now former child actor mark lester,

godfather to jackson's three children, says he could be paris' biological father. he spoke to a british tabloid "news of the world." >> paris has blue eyes and fare complexion, high cheek bones. it's been commented many times how similar harriett and paris are. >> reporter: lester, who says he's consulting with lawyers, maintains he has concerns about the well being of all of michael's children. >> i dearly want to remain in contact with those kids. i feel now this is the only way that i can ensure that. >> reporter: last week, a judge awarded custody of the children to michael's mother katherine. but not before a surprise appearance by the lawyer for jackson's dermatologist, arnie klein. klein, who' bnee rumored to be the biological of michael's two oldest children, says he wants to be consulted about their health and education. last week michael's brother jermaine disputed the rumor. >> you can look at the kids and tell that they're michael's kids. >> none of the people that i'm

aware of have any legal standing to assert any kind of claim of being a parent of these children. neither alleged surrogate mothers, nor sperm donor fathers. >> reporter: questions about the paternity of jackson's children come as his estate rushes to close business deals that would generate millions. the estate is valued at between $500 million and $2 billion, but it's estimated that because of jackson's lavish lifestyle, he died deeply in debt. last week, a judge green-lighted the sale of jermaine's rendition of "smile" on itunes and cleared the way for a batch of deals that will fill store shelves with michael jackson merchandise. and today the judge will review the $60 million deal with columbia pictures to bri the rehearsal footage from jackson's concert tour to the big screen. that could help ease a lot of that debt. >> george lewis, thank you very much. coming up, our live exclusive interview with kate

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7:30 now on this monday morning, august 10, 2009. a little early morning drizzle here in new york. humidity, not a great hair day but a great crowd out on rockefeller plaza. we'll step outside to say hey in just a bit. meanwhile inside studio 1a, i'm meredith vieira alongside matt lauer. coming up in this half-hour, our exclusive interview with kate gosselin. the split with jon, the kids, the show and what the future holds. she's breaking her silence in a few moments. a shocking arrest we told you about last week. a wife accused of trying to get a hitman to kill her husband. turns out the man she hired was

actually an undercover police officer. coming up, an exclusive live interview with the husband, the potential target in this case. and later, five surprising things that could be ruining your teeth. but we'll begin can kate gosselin. it's been sen weeks since the reality star announced her separation from jon. our live exclusive interview is just ahead. but first, a look back at what has been a rocky few months for the mother of eight. >> kate and i have decided to separate. >> reporter: after months of speculation, jon and kate gosselin announced their separation on the june 22nd episode of their tlc reality show "jon and kate plus 8." >> i'm not very fond of the idea personally but i know it's necessary. >> reporter: while the show took a brief hiatus after the announcement giving the family a chance to regroup, they still made headlines as each started their separate lives. >> it is not their fault that what has transpired has

transpired. >> reporter: jon and kate have tried to keep some sense of normalcy, even spending fourth of july as a family. >> they love it here. this is their house. we bought this house for them, not for us. >> i will remain here as well during my portion of having them. jon will also come here when it is his days and we will flip-flop that way. >> reporter: last week tlc began airing new episodes again, and many wondered how the separation would be handled. >> it is kind of strange that we're remodeling our kitchen in the middle of our separation and but it's something that we already planned beforehand. >> reporter: but how will all this change affect the kids? >> many times every day it oc r occurred to me this was minus jon. it was a constant thought on my mind and while the kids had a great time, they mentioned it numerous times that they wished daddy could have been here. >> oh, no!

we have to start over! >> reporter: to you nor life, and the show must go on. >> i'm in this new age of if i've never grilled before, i'm going to grill. if i've never camped before, i'm going to camp. it might take me a while, but i can figure out. i can do things that i have never done before. >> kate gosselin, good morning. >> good morning. >> the last time we sat down here in may there were rumors, speculation about your marriage. so much has changed since then. you announced your separation in june. filed for divorce, both of you. now you were in this hiatus basically figuring out your lives from this point on. how are you doing? >> i am as well as can be expected. thank you. i'm determined to hang in there. what life hands me i'm going to do and deal with. and my focus still, as i've always said, as i will always say, is the health and well being of my children as well as myself. >> after the separation you told

"people" magazine on a good day, i feel relief. on a bad day, i feel failure. what are you feeling these ys? >> a lot of -- it's just life handing me unexpected things and i do -- i wake up and i feel a lot of failure. this is not what any mother sets out for for her children. this does not feel like the best for them. it's necessary. it has to take place and i think that i've turned the focus on myself and in looking ahead and then in retrospect, i want my children to see a mother who is committed to her children, who is determined, who has integrity, perseverance, and

never gives us. i want my children to see that everything i've done for them is out of love. >> i notice that you still have on your wedding ring. why is that, kate? >> for them. sorry. >> that's okay. >> i don't want to upset them. i'm being as very real and as honest as i need to be, i don't want to shock them. i've walk slowly through this with them. thank you. i've been asked questions, i've answered them. >> do they understand that you and jon are separated and what that means and that you've -- >> they do. we've had to go over it a few times. kara came to me a few weeks ago. >> kara's one of the twins, older daughters. >> turning 9. she said, "b you said it would

be difficult but turn out happy." when we sat them down and talked to them, i told her the announcement was something that was going to be hard but it was going to turn out okay. and she took "okay" to mean as i guess that we were going to be -- jon and i were going to be okay in the end. and so i've done it gently and -- i feel like that is the best thing for them, to walk slowly through it. and they -- she agreed when i discussed it with her, there's more peace in the house. it's happier in that way. and -- >> because there was fighting before? >> there was. and clearly his goals are not my goals and so we just needed to work that out. >> so you're not keeping the ring on at all because you hold out any hope about you and jon. >> no. i think it's very clear that we are two different people at this point with two different sets of

goals. and i am wearing the ring -- well, because it's been there for ten years, and just because the kids still see it, they've seen it their whole lives and they know that that's my married to daddy ring. when the time is right, i will take it off. i've done a trial of a day here or there. >> feel strange to you to do that? >> yes. >> yeah. >> and it's very gradual. i just want all of this to be very gradual so that i can -- my goal is to preserve them in the most healthy way possible. >> kate, let's talk a little bit about the time line. when you announced your separation, it was june 22nd. but recently jon said in an interview that you were the one who gave up on the marriage last october, that you're the one who said "i am done." is that true? >> no. clearly we both have are completely different takes on what happened between us. but i feel like the details of

that, for the sake of my kids, need to remain private. >> can you share with us at all when you realized that the marriage was over, that it was just not going to work? >> there was a time line. i think that we both realized mutually that our goals were different, that our hopes and dreams had become different. and it just -- it was very mutual. >> by the time there were all those rumors swirling about about jon with other women, when i sat down with you in may had jon already moved out of the house at that time, kate? >> to be very honest, i don't remember. there's so much going on. just so much going on. i honestly don't remember at what point that took place. i knew that for many months

prior to that he was not home a lot. so i don't know kind of was a gradual thing. i don't know like the date that it occurred. >> as opposed to one day he just disappeared and moved someplace else. >> no. right. right. right. so -- >> and now we are hearing from him that he has started up a relationship in may with this young woman haley glassman, 22 years old, the daughter of the doctor that came to you, helped you out with the tummy tuck after you gave birth top sextuplets. when did you first hear about that? were you shocked hat the revelation he had started seeing her in may? >> i was shocked but those things, to be very honest, don't affect me directly at this point. >> it's got to be hurtful. >> well, it is hurtful. to be very honest, the most hurtful part is when his decisions directly affect our children. that's the hardest part for me.

>> in what sense? when you say his decisions directly affect the kids? >> well, i feel like they're his decisions. they might not be ones that i would make. >> so if it had been your choice then, kate, this never would have happened? >> gosh, who can go back and change? obviously ideally, parents stay married. you know, i go back very often to our vow renewal in hawaii. i think very often of it. in that moment, i meant those vows and there was no option for us other than to be together. so much changed. >> you know that marriage is a two-way street, divorce is a two-way street. what role do you think you played, if any, in what happened? >> nobody's perfect. i was not perfect. nobody's perfect in a marriage.

in life, no parent is perfect. obviously it takes two and i don't know, to be honest. what would i go back and change? it's hard to say. >> does any part of you still love him? >> when i think back to the jon that i knew? y yes. >> kate, thank you for joining us this morning. you're actually going to come back in the next half-hour. there are a l of rumors circulating about you as well. we want to know especially how the kids are doing because everybody loves your kids. they're fantastic. and see what's going to happen with the show a well. we'll be back with more in about half-hour. let's get a check of the forecast. the weather channel's stephanie abrams is in foróóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó

>> meredith, back to you. up next,he arrest in the brutal murder of a florida couple, the parents of 17 children. the latest right after this.

7:45 now. now to the latest in a bizarre and frightening crime in florida. the parents of 17 children, 13 of those adopted, murdered inside their own home. "dateline's" keith morrison has exclusive new information. keith, good morning. >> morning, matt. eight people have been arrested

now in connection with this case, seven charged with two counts of murder. last thursday night, a person of interest in the murders of bud and melanie billings was taken into custody on grand theft charges. and now that person of interest, henry"cab" tice speaks out for the first time. these images were captured by the sophisticated security system mounted outside and inside a nine-bedroom house. the home invasion in progress, a double murder about to occur. the victims a husband and wife. melanie and bud billings were the locally celebrated paints of 17 children, 13 of them adopted, many with a variety of disabilities and special needs. >> authorities say at least three people entered the family's -- >> reporter: and within an hour of the murders, one name has come up again and again as someone who must know something. henry "cab" tice. he was not only a former business associate of bud billings, but they had a bitter

falling out. tice was also a close friend, a father figure, he says himself, to the alleged shooter, leonard patrick gonzalez jr. last tuesday evening cab tice returned to pensacola after a trip to colombia in south america. soon an announcement from sheriff david morgan. >> mr. tice is a person of interest in the billings case. >> reporter: tice is questioned for three hours. but so far, he is only charged with grand theft for allegedly writing $17,000 in bad checks to the billings finance company, whirlco. he's out now on $5,000 bail. >> there is no evidence that links me any way to this murder. if it had been, i would be in jail right now. >> reporter: now, in an exclusive interview with "dateline," cab tice tells his side of the story and defends himself. the name cab tice keeps coming up, you're the guy that's

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>> the billings family's attorney says they never heard word about any irs investigation. she says -- >> tune in to a special "dateline" nbc "no safe place," tonight at 10:00, 9:00 central time right here on nbc. still ahead, an exclusive interview with a man whose new wife allegedly tried to hire a hitman to kill him. after this. w

still ahead, much more with kate gosselin. she'll set the record straight er hmarriage, her divorce, and her future as well. but first, a check of your local news and weather.

it's hot out there this morning. already 77 degrees, could be the hottest day of the year so far. we'll be checking the weather for you coming up shortly. good morning. i'm barbara harrison. it's monday, august 10, 2009. 7:56. in the news, a metro track repearman has been killed on the job. it happened last night on the orange line. we're told the man was struck by track equipment. he was part of a crew working to replace cross ties near vienna. the university of maryland school of medicine is testing out the h1n1 vaccine. 67 healthy adults volunteered to

take part. they will have blood drawn and receive the vaccine and in three weeks get another shot. the university of maryland is the lead spot for trials.

good morning. temperatures are in the 70s, we'll climb into the 80s the next couple of hours, we'll hit the 90s and peek. the record high for the date is 98 set on this date in 1943. when you figure in the humidity it will feel like 100 to 105. we'll have hazy sunshine throughout the day. warm evening and a mild morning tomorrow. then during the day tuesday, highs reaching low to mid 90s

before a cool front by late afternoon. it may trigger thundershowers to be followed by mostly cloudy and cooler weather on wednesday and thursday. highs in the low 80s and a chance of showers and perhaps thunder. good morning. how's the monday traffic? >> good morning. top side of the beltway getting the reports of an accident outer loop near georgia avenue. beginning to stack up well before route 29 on the outer loop. we'll keep you updated on that. headed downtown, most of the major roadways seem okay. no incidents at the wilson bridge. >> tonight on "news 4 at 5:00" the new vaccine requirement for school children in our area.

we're back now, 8:00 on a monday morning, the 10th day of august, 2009. you're looking at some early risers here in new york city on what promises to be a hot, steamy day here in the big apple. things are going up into the high 90s with the misery index, it's going to be over 100. right on the plaza. out on the plaza, i'm matt lauer along with meredith vieira. coming up in this half-hour, more on a story we told you about last week. a new wife whoy]%n allegedly t

to hire a hitman to kill her husband. it actually turns out the person she was talking to was an undercover police officer. police let her think the crime had actually been committed until they let her in on the whole situation. so her husband, thelleg aed target of the crime, will join us for an interview in just a couple of minutes. more of our interview with kate gosselin. she'll talk about a lot of the rumors circulating about her and what's next for the show and the children. is it possible to rev up your metabolism? kweel we'll find out. good morning, everybody. this morning divers are back in the waters of new york's hudson river after a tragic mid-air collision over the weekend. nine people were killed when a helicopter carrying five italian tourists and a single engine people with three on-board coided on a clear sunny day and crashed into the river.

the ntsb is investigating the accident so it doesn't happen again. president obama wraps up a two-day north american summit today meeting with the leaders of mexico and canada to discuss trade and the swine flu and also the drug trade between the united states and mexico. bombings in iraq today claimed the lives of at least 45 people and wounded 200 others. the worst attack was near mosul where a double truck bombing reduced an entire neighborhood to rubble and left a large crater in the ground. the u.s. says it has sent iran a strong message calling for the release of three american hikers who crossed into the country from northern iraq. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel's in kabul with more on the story. richard, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, ann. pressure is mounting on iran. this morning iraq's foreign minister told nbc news he is also urged iran to release the americans. it was near this waterfall in

iraq's mountainous region of kurdistan where police say they last saw the three young american tourists, shane bauer, sharon shourd and josh fattal were spotted by these kurdish policemen by a local camp last month. they bought tea from this vendor around 10:00 p.m. but while hiking on friday morning, july 31st, the local kurdish police chief told us they got lost. "these three did not have a guide or translator with them, he said. that's how i think they ventured into iran by mistake." but the americans were all seasons travelers. sarah and shane both extensive travelers in the middle east, yemen and ethiopia. iran has hinted the americans could be spies sent by the united states to stir unrest. they say not to expect any high-profile clinton-like intervention because iran would never allow it.

>> richard engel, thanks. a large wildfire is burning in santa barbara, california in a remote area of the wilderness. no buildings are being threatened. in michigan, a strong storm uprooted huge trees and knocked them into homes and roads. it is now 8:04. let's get a check of the weather. we have the weather channel's stephanie abrams. >> i want to introduce you to sonya from canada. what do you think is hot sft. >> i think 93 degrees is hot. >> you're going to be hot today in the city. we'll be in the mid-90s. it will feel even hotter than that. but still cool around the great lakes. lacrosse, wisconsin our pick city. 86 degrees, mostly cloudy and a few afternoon stor. how about the rest of the country? how's it shaping up? the big story is the heató good morning. we have an excessive heat advisory for our region noon to 10:00 p.m. the heat will be building by

noon time. it includes the counties and points east. temperatures in the upper 70s to near degrees around washington, south and east and elsewhere in the mid 70s. highs upper 90s, record high is 98. heat advisory is in effect through the afternoon into the evening. hazy sunshine today. cool front arrives with thunders >> we have people visiting from all over the country. texas, michigan, iowa, north carolina, meredith, they've come from all over today. >> we're glad to have them here. thank you very much, stephanie. much more from kate gosselin. plus, the latest on a florida newlywed accus of trying to hire a hitman to kill her husband. an exclusive interview with that stunned groom right after this.

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husband. the man is very much alive and he'll talk to us exclusively in just a couple of minutes. but first, nbc's mark potter has the details. >> reporter: dalia dippolito is now free on bond but under court order must wear a monitoring device, live with her mother but stay away from her husband who police say she tried to kill. in court last week facing charges of solicitation to commit first degree murder, dippolito was given bail of $25,000. >> there is no reason she had to do that, you know? she was well off. she could have just left and did just as well by leaving. >> reporter: michael dippolito has now filed for divorce after police told him his wife tried to hire a hitman, then allegedly went to the gym to establish an alibi for the time when her husband was supposed to die. >> come on. you find out that you're in bed with a lady sleeping, she goes to the gym that morning, then

you get a knock on the door, next thing you know you're being told she's trying to kill you? >> reporter: last wednesday boynton beach police shot this video of dippolito returning home from the gym, then breaking into sobs after polic told her her husband had been murdered. what officers say dippolito didn't know is that the supposed hitman was an undercover officer to whom she reportedly said her husband's death would make her very happy. >> here is a woman who's saying she's 5,000% sure she wants to pay for her husband to be killed. and then at the scene you have a woman who is sobbing uncontrollably. >> reporter: dippolito's attorney says she will plead not guilty. >> i didn't do anything and i didn't plot anything. >> reporter: police say they were alerted to the alleged scheme by an informant whom attorneys for the husband say they were told was a male friend of dalia dippolito and whom they also credit for potentially saving her husband's life. for "today," mark potter, nbc news, miami. >> and michael dip lee to is

with us exclusively from boca raton, florida, along with his attorneys jason brody and josh friedman. gentlemen, good morning to all of you. michael, let me start with you. there is so much i want to talk to you about. but start with the knock on the door, your home. you answer the door and the police are there and they say, "we have evidence that your wife has hired someone or tried to hire someone to kill you." what was your reaction? >> well, let me tell you, matt, it took -- it really hasn't sunk in even today. but getting wakened at the door with a banging like that, m whole front neighborhood was surrounded with officers. i didn't even know what to say. they kind of just shuffled me around as if i wasn a fog. but i knew your wife has tried to kill you, you need to get out of the house now and come with us. >> do you think -- did they show you or let you hear any evidence at ha particular moment, michael, just to convince you? >> when i got down to the police

station, the tapes were played for me and i heard my wife very clearly. >> and actually, a little later when they took her into custody, you -- no, when they were questioning her, when she still believed you were dead, you got to watch that questioning. didn't you? >> yes, i did. >> what was that like to be a fly on the wall? >> well, it was very uncomfortable to see it. you know? i had to see it for myself. i'm very grateful for the boynton beach police department for doing what they did, even involving me in that. it just helped me with the whole thing. like i said, everybody says, you know, how lucky you are to be where you at. it honestly hasn't sunk in yet. i still don't get what's really happened. it's just a very strange situation. >> the morning that this was to happen, michael, and she gets up early to go to the gym, i'm sure you played the hours prior to that over in your mind a

thousand times. was she particularly nervous? was she agitated? did she behave differently as she was leaving to allegedly form an alibi during your murder? >> not at all. not at all, matt. actually, i was told as she was walking out the door she was going to bring starbucks coffee home. i mean it was a pretty normal scene. nothing at all. nothing ever would have made me think that what happened could have happened. never. >> you've been married for six months. i think you only knew each other for about a year. can you describe the relationship? was it volatile? did you guys have severe ups and downs? >> matt, let me tell you, we hit it off. me and my wife actually got along so well, we were together 24/7. i mean we had the same routine to go to the gym at 5:00, we would come home and literally, you may laugh at this, we would watch the "today" show together.

that was part of our routine. my mother's day was usually friday night, her family maybe we'd do sunday dinner with her mom. we did everything together. just normal activities. friday night we hit the early movie. just silly things. i mean -- always together, always -- you know. >> michael, i need to bring a couple of things up. you have yourself faced some legal issues in the past. you spent a couple years in prison for grand theft and organized fraud. at the face value, these two things seem completely unconnected. do you see any connection between the troubles you had in the past and what your wife tried to do this time? >> matt, let me just jump in there. there is no connection between the two whatsoever. >> nothing whatsoever. it's really more of a coincidence than anything else? >> absolutely. >> and we understand that dahlia's now been released on $25,000 bond, under house arrest. she's not far from where you're living, michael.

any fear about that? josh, do you have any fear about that? >> potentially we do. potentially we do, matt. we are going to ask the prosecution to file a motion to revoke the bond. >> any idea of motive at this particular moment, michael? >> you know, matt, there could be a thousand things but i mean motive to kill me, no. i just can't imagine. >> michael dippolito, jason brody, josh friedman, thank you very much. we appreciate your time. > up next -- more with "jon and kate plus 8" star kate gosselin. that's right after this. but nasonex relief may i say... bee-utiful! prescription nasonex is proven to help relieve indoor and outdoor nasal allergy symptoms like congestion, runny and itchy nose and sneezing. (announcer) side effects were generally mild and included headache. viral infection, sore throat, nosebleeds and coughing. ask your doctor about symptom relief with nasonex.

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>> where do we start? every morning i wake up and it is a new rumor. first of all, there is no condo. there is no apartment. there was never any looking for one. nobody looked for one, bought one, inquired about one. >> there's rumor that you bought a condo in maryland for your time when jon is with the kids. >> correct. there are two things with that. i live at home with my kids. that's where i belong, that's where i will stay. number two, just to show you how crazy these rumors are, that got started -- i had lunch in maryland with our head of securities wife who i'm very good friends with. and the next thing i know the story was written that i was buying a condo there. i had to call her actually and ask her, how we went from lunch to a condo. she told me there were condos above where we were having lunch. i still have never seen these condos. >> so when you're not with the kids, where are you then? >> to be very honest, i'm in hiding from the paparazzi. >> you're not going to say where

you are. >> no. >> you're hidden. >> i'm reachable via cell phone. >> you mentioned head of security. there were rumors about you and the head of security. >> there is no affair, never has been an affair. we are very, very good friends with him, his wife and family. they're a huge source of support for me and the kids. he's been part of our production team since the very beginning since we had security issues. he's one of our rotating security people. it's just another crazy rumor. it sells tabloids. >> there have been people who have made allegations about you as a mom and rather cruel comments about your mothering skills. among them, your brother and your sister-in-law. how do you reand the to that? >> that's probably one of the most hurtful things in all of this. when family turns on you and makes up lies and makes allegations and makes tens of thousands of dollars doing it.

you have to understand this has become a business for them where they travel and speak online or speak on live tv shows, even reputable ones with their allegations. it is a huge source of income for them to do this. there's no words how hurtful that is. y brother you'd had a strained relationship with? >> this is a brother i was very, very close to and became jealous and decided they were going to take their fame and go elsewhere and make money essentially off of my children. >> how are your kids doing through all of this? >> my kids are wonderful, amazing, healthy, normal developing kids. anyone who meets them, they are best friends within five minutes. i've said it before and i'll say it again, my kids brighten people's lives. it is so neat to have people walk into our house and watch the fall-in-love process,

because they are so genuine, they're so bright, intelligent, happy, fun. >> but do you worry at some point they're going to see maybe old copies of the show and reruns or whatever it is and see the stress that was in their family and -- >> i don't worry. this is our fe. it's the most real reality show you will see. essentially their they are home videos for them. it is their favorite show to watch. they watch mommy and daddy. and i hope that through all of it they will see love. i don't want them to see the sacrifices we made. i don't want them to focus on that. i want them to see that each one of them was loved and wanted and cared for in the best ability that we possibly could. >> you've said that you do this show because this is the way that you guys make a living and it is financially ruktive. but given everything that's

happened, ever regret it? ever wish, enough already? >> i feel like in everybody's life you make sacrifices. everybody has to work. everybody has a job. ours is a very unique job. it's taught us many things, it's given our kids many opportunities they would not have otherwise had. they each have a substantial college fund. they will all go to college. i have made sure of that. and so i don't live my life in regret. i typically tend to look forward, not backward. and i still feel like this is a good thing. it's healthy. and the kids would agree. re even though youwo a t separated and your husband is now -- your ex, soon to be, has moved on? you still feel like it is okay? >> those decisions don't affect me. i feel like if you're asking if this was an end result of the show, a product of the show? i feel like it would have happened anyway. camera's on, camera's off.

>> kate gosselin, appreciate you being here this morning. an all-new episode of "jon and kate plus 8" will air tonight at 9:00 on and this is what it looks like outside. 77 degrees, a lot of humidity in the air. you can tell it is going to be steamy and much warmer today. we're going to talk with tom kierein to get the forecast. i'm joe krebs on this monday, the 10th of august. 8:26. the news now. metro is investigating an accident that killed a metro employee around 10:00 last night on the orange line between the dunn loring merryfield and the vienna stations. he was part of a crew working to replace crossties. trials of the new h1n1 swine flu vaccine begins at the university of maryland school of medicine in baltimore. 67 healthy volunteers are taking

part in the test. they will have blood drawn and receive the vaccine. three weeks later they receive another injection. the university of maryland is the lead center for these trials. we'll take a break and look at our weather and traffic. stay with us.wo

good morning. day two of a three-day heat wave. the temperature near 80 will peak in the upper 90s with the humidity factored in will feel like 105 with a hazy sunshine. could get thunderstorms tomorrow followed by cooler weather. >> along i-270 southbound approaching montrose road had an

accident tying up the left side of the road. down from shady grove road. outer loop, an accident cleared. >> thanks very much. tonight the new vaccine

morning, august 10th, 2009. a hot summer day here in new york. just ahead in this half-hour, care for our pearly whites. five things you could be doing to hurt your teeth. you'll be very surprised what's on this list and what's not on

this list. you both are so handy. we'll have information you already know, four simple projects you can do all around your house. you'll spruce things up and it will not cost you an arm and a leg like replacing a broken pane of glass. got a lot of broken panes of glass at your house? >> we used to with the kids. also ahead, we're trying to be really healthy and exercise. some of us are trying to figure out is it really possible to rev up your metabolism? we have an expert in the house, jillian michael to answer your questions. let's bring in lisa kudrow. we love her. we love you. >> thank you! hi. >> welcome back. >> thank you. >> your latest film "band slam" which opens this friday.

you had some tough times in high school as well. right? >> well, crying every night is a tough time? yeah. not tragic, just tough. that's kind of this movie, too. there's nothing tragic, thank god. but it's just kind of tough, and it is really heart-warming and it is the most fun. it is really a great -- we do prep and all these jaded journalists were like i was expecting like a tween teen movie. and i loved it. >> in the movie your son is obsessed with david bowie. the cool thing, bowie makes a cameo in the movie so you get to hang with him. >> no, i didn't. >> you never got to see him? >> no! >> how does that happen? >> because they were shooting in austin and they shot him here. >> that's terrible! i thought you'd have all kinds of bowie rock idol stories. >> this is your son, right?

>> yeah. >> how old are you? >> 11. >> and you watch us? >> yeah. every morning. >> every morning? >> yeah. >> that's fantastic. you must be so proud of your mom? >> yeah. she's been in a lot of films and i love her films. >> have you checked out this movie she's doing? have you before able to see any of it? >> we went to the premier so i guess we got the whole movie. didn't get to see any shooting but at least i got to see the movie. >> are you interested in acting yourself? >> yeah. >> i understand that you're also on nbc -- >> oh, yeah. i'm producing a genealogy series for nbc. that's fantastic. >> celebrities trace their roots. right. >> i did one. we even asked sarah jessica parker and susan sarandon so

far. >> did you find out anything interesting about your roots that you didn't know. >> i found out a lot i didn't know. but we're going to find out. >> your mom is one of our favorite people around here. >> "band slam" opens on friday. thank you. >> lisa, thanks. good to see you. before we go any further, stephanie abrams is in for al today. stephanie's got a check of the weather. >> good morning. when i say iowa, do you think hot or cold? most people think cold. behind me, they think hot. you think it is hotter in iowa than here? >> more humid. >> how is that possible? >> i have no idea. >> i don't either. let's show you what's happening across the country as we go through the week. iowa's going to be normal this week. not too bad. above normal montana and into the dakotas. looks like t

well, this is day two of a three-day heat wave. it's probably going to be the hottest day of the summer. we have a heat advisory for these areas in orange. includes washington, arlington, fairfax and prince george's counties and east. we're near 80 degrees and we'll peak in the upper 90s this afternoon. combinatioof that humidity and heat will make it feel like 105 for a few hours mid to late afternoon. hazy sunshine. morrow p >> to find out if it's hot, cold, wet, dry where you are, go to weather.com 24 hours a day. >> stephae, thanks very much. when we come back, five things that could be ruining your teeth. but first, this is "today" on nbc.

this morning on "today's"

health, five thangs could be ruining your teeth. dr. nancy rosen is a dentist here in new york city. when you think of things that ruin teeth, you think of dark colored liquids like coffee, tea, soda. >> color that is nothing to do with it. what's damaging our teeth are sugars and acids. >> start with the five things. this shocked me, i think of red wine is the problem. but again color doesn't matter. >> white wine. a recent study out says the acids in the white wine could make the enamel of our teeth more porous and actually absorb color. you definitely need to be careful with the acids and white wine. >> acids followed by the red wine, the white wine is stained because of what the white wine did. >> little kids, milk. >> milk is great and we need it in our diet. but parents beware. you don't want to give your child a bottle of milk and go to sleep. milk is getting all over their teeth. the sugars in the milk, bacteria

in there, in their mouth could eat at the sugar and it could rot their teeth. be very, very careful. >> it can cause serious tooth decay. >> true of nursing as well? if you let a baby fall asleep on your breast? >> breast feeding moms need to be aware, too. >> up next, cough syrup. it is when and how you take it that is the problem. >> cough syrup contains sugar and acids. most people take these things right before they go to bed and after they have brushed their teeth. they're going to bed with all this sticky, gooey stuff on their teeth and it is sort of gross. >> it just sits there all night. >> sits there all night long. tooth decay. >> lemonade. i would assume you're talking acid again? >> double whammy. acid and sugar. be very careful. lemons are very, very acidic. i see so many people just taking lemon wedges sticking them in their mouth, they are bathing their teeth in acid. lemonade is probably one of the worst things someone can drink.

>> water with a lot of lemons would be better? >> better because there is less sugar but you're making the water much more acidic. >> little did i know barbies can be very damaging to your teeth. >> if you are a swimmer -- barbie swims more than six hours a week in a chemically treated pool. you are at risk for something called swimmer's calculus which is a very unusual brown stain that can form on the front of your teeth. >> the little bit of water you might get in your mouth? >> yes. you're swimming for more than six hours. the chemicals reacting with the saliva can cause this stain. >> this is a problem. what's possible solutions? >> for water, get regular cleanings. wear an air-tight mask guard. the most important thing if you're going to have any type of acid, you don't want to brush your teeth immediately after. you want to wait at least 30 minutes before you brush your teeth. >> why is that? >> you will be brushing your teeth actually with the acid. you're actually embedding more acid into your teeth. wait the 30 minutes, let your

saliva neutralize the acid in your mouth. you'll be much better off. >> i'm confused. with the cough syrup you said it is sitting there rotting your teeth. the assumption would it would be better to brush it off. >> with cough syrup, you may want to take it with a meal or drink some water after. >> does it make a difference if you sip some of these things -- not sip but use a straw? >> yes. straws definitely help but you don't want to be drinking like lemonade all day long. you want to drink it in one sitting through a straw. >> dr. rosen, thank you very much. good information. i knew none of it! up next, simple home remedies you can do yourself and save a lot of money.

this morning on "today's" home, we're talking about outdoor repairs. simple things you can do around your house with a little time and almost no money, that will

greatly improve the curb appeal of your property. do it yourself expert and "today" contributor lou manfredini is here. we'll talk about things right now. yes, you can get afessional to do these. right? >> but i am being inundated with e-mails, people saying i want it try this myself, how hard is it? i give a little advice. >> some are simple. you have your lawn outside. a brown spot, you might have a dog that might have caused it. female dogs kill the grass. male dogs kill the bushes. you scratch this surface. any of this dead grass that you pull up. there is a lot of smarter seed out there that will helpou a lot. scots has one. these are coated now. take a look closely as i put this on here. they have -- sprinkle this on. notice how the seed is infused with fertilizer and a little peat mix right there.

but what happens with the seed is, the birds can see it. you're going to cover that with a little peat moss. peat moss will help keep it moist. >> are you going to water this spot on the lawn more than the rest of the lawn? >> give it a little shot. do it every three days or so. keep traffic off thereof and it is going to come back to life. >> but a different color than the rest of your lawn, isn't it? >> not going to be yellow. it could be brighter green. >> you've got some marks in your siding, small damage areas in the wood siding. you don't replace the whole piece. you can actually patch that. >> you can get away with it using wood putty. this is latex-based. by elmer's. i have two part ones that are more durable and technically structural. once you scrape away the loose -- >> what if it is wet? >> let it dry. this goes in a lot like if you patch a wall. but what you'll do is overbuild it just sligly, and then let that dry. >> overbuild it because you're

going to sand it? >> you're going to sand it down. it will get hard. spot prime it, then repaint. >> if it is a bigger spot of damage, under what sish do you replace the whole piece of siding? >> if it's really rotted or there are several pieces, nobody has extra siding. find an area of the house that's behind the bushes or on the back side of the garage. work the siding off to pull this piece away, and then nail it in place. but when you go to use nails, these are galvanized nails that you want to use on the outside so they don't bleed once you repaint it. another carpenter's trick, before you put these nails in. hit the end of the nail just a little bit to blunt the end. that keeps the siding from splitting when you go in. >> good tip. over here you have a little mold and mildew on your house. you like this product. >> i love this product. i'm not a guy that likes to cut corners. but for men out there where our wives will say go out and do something about this, all you got to do is spray it.

wet and forget. it comes down from australia. they've been using it on top of the sydney operahouse for 20 years. mix it with water in a pump sprayer. they have a sense of humor about following the directions to make sure that you follow it. you spray this on the area where you have mildew and mold. if it's real, really harsh, you may need to do a little scrubbing. brick work, siding, canvas, any exterior surface, it starts to react with the sun and the rain and will eliminate it. >> it's done. >> it has a residual -- >> is it expense sniff. >> a gallon is $30. but it is a concentrate. >> you broke a pane of glass in a window. i think this is more complicated. >> jack throwing a baseball yet? >> yes. >> broken windows. once you have the frames, you run to the hardware store, measure the frame. tight measurement, minus an eighth of an inch. take the pane of glass -- get that at the hardware store.

drop that inside. that's our frame. here's our window. this is a push pin. you can do this. >> go ahead. >> the pus pins gin side to hold the glass in place. take a putty knife and drive it in there. that is what actually holds the glass. the glazing compound is another putty. this edge that they made for me is a little tall for this particular knife, but you're creating this smooth finish. one thing i do, lick your thumb, get that wet so you get a nice clean finish. you just keep coming along adding this putty. you trim this off around the whole edge. this will eventually harden, now you replaced the glass. this mix at the hardware store may call . >> you call a professional, these cost you hundreds of dollars. >> everybody here is probably $500. you're doing this yourself for less than $50.

>>licked that thumb, thanks.

back now at 8:50, now to a love story between a woman and her car.

here's nbc's kerry sanders. >> reporter: this is the story -- >> i love to be behind the wheel -- >> reporter: -- with a moral. of a time when detroit was king, and of a woman raised during the depression whose upbringing has some lessons we could all use today. >> the car's 45 years old and i'm twice as old. >> reporter: 0 years old, and yes, rachel is the original owner. >> this is a merry comet. 260 v-8. she just keeps going. >> reporter: rachel has what detroit used to call personality. here we are in florida. it's 96 degrees today. >> yes. >> reporter: this air conditioner's cranking. >> i know. isn't that great? >> reporter: is this an add-on? >> no, no this is factory air. had stupid men trying to argue with me and said the dealer

couldn't add it. i said, i'm telling you, that is factory air. >> reporter: her record are meticulous. from the day she bought the car for -- >> $3,289, all deluxe. >> reporter: to every oil change and extended warrantee like the muffler. >> i've had seven life-time mufflers. >> reporter: and the battery. >> my lifetime guarantee says replaced. 17 life-time guaranteed batteries from jcpenneys. >> reporter: she while she's a mother, grandmother and great grandmother, her favorite pictures are chair yacht parties, cakes included. then there is the day she took the car on the daytona speedway but it was a back road where she really let go. >> reporter: how fast have you gone in this car? >> i've had it up to 120 for one mile. >> reporter: 120? >> well, that's as far as it goes.

>> reporter: a speed demon -- >> it ain't a toy. >> reporter: -- who packs heat and has traveled life's bumpy roads with charity. >> she's better than three huh husbands. she's never lied to me, she's never cheated on me and i can always depend on her. >> reporter: for "today," kerry sanders, nbc news, orlando. >> man! >> i wouldn't mess with her though. >> that's wild. >> do you remember your first car? >> absolutely. >> what did you have? >> a vw bug. >> me, too! >> get out! 1964. >> 1962. i bought my used. had holes in the floorboard. >> the running boards had rotted out? >> no, not mine. >> but had that that radio. that was never in doubt. >> what was the name of your car? you didn't name your car? >> what did you name your car?

>> it was so ugly, it was like yellowish. i called her call flower. >> mine was sophie because she was a german car. >> i kept it for 2 1/2 years, sold it for $275. in 1964 i was7, i bought my first car. >> mine was -- mine cost $2,000. my dad paid for half of it and i paid for half of it. and yours was a used as well. right? call flower. >> $700. >> we got to name it. what would we name it? >> has-been, right now. >> just like you!

our time now is five minutes until 9:00 in the morning. 8:55.

80 degrees. a lot of humidity today. going to be a steamer. we'll get the latest from tom kierein coming up. i'm joe krebs on this monday, the 10th day of august. in the news, metro is investigating an accident that killed a metro rail employee. it happened around 10:00 last night on the orange line. the repearman was struck and killed by a piece of track equipment. he was part of a cking t workino replace cross ties. the district is cracking down on illegal value lay parking. some are parking illegally. customers don't find out until they get a summons in the mail. they are not letting the customers know. ddot filed its first rules under the plan valet companies have to pay for staging spots and if they don't they face a $300 fine. we'll take a break and come back and look at weather and traffic. g

good morning. hazy, hot and humid. around silver spring temperatures at 82. the dew point there is near 70, the heat index into the mid 80s. that heat index will exceed 100 this afternoon as the temperatures climb into the upper 90s. and we'll have hazy sunshine. then tonight, warm evening, mild morning tomorrow. and increasing clouds on tuesday.

highs in the mid 90s, a cool front likely triggering thundershowersnd thunderstorms tomorrow afternoon and evening. wednesday and thursday in the low 80s. could get passing showers and thundershowers. how's traffic? >> police activity slowing folks along interstate 66, right at the exit for the capital beltway. lanes are open but there is rubbernecking for the last mile or so. along i-270, had an accident southbound near montrose road. joe? >> thank you. tonight on "news 4 at 5:00" the new vaccine requirement for some area school children. now back to the "today" show after this short break.

we're back now with more of "today" on a monday morning. it's already the 10th day of august, 2009. summer flying by. just to let us know it is summer, "today's" going to be a real steamer in the northeast. temperatures into the upper 90s. misery index about 100 degrees. but they're smiling. look at these people. out on the plaza, i'm matt lauer, along with jenna wolfe. since natalie' on vacation, we have lx tv's sara gore. thanks for being here. >> i'm so glad to be here. >> this team does not go out

together very often. >> cool. >> thank you. >> coming up, more on this terrible story that happened on the taconic parkway here in new york, a mother driving the wrong way in her minivan down that road, apparently after drinking and smoking pot. her daughter was killed in the crash, she was killed in the crash, her three young nieces were killed when she then hit an suv, a father and son were killed in that car along with a family friend. members of the bastardi family will join us this morning, find out how they heard about the crash and some of the developments they're going to talk about since they got that terrible news. then we'll switch gears. you ever say i put on some weight, i have a slow metabolism, or i'm okay, i have a quick metabolism? there are some myths and truths. jillian michaels will be here to answer some of our questions about metabolism. and they arary saying that middle age isn't what it used to

be. we'll have secrets on living a happier and healthier live from your 40s, 50s, 60s and beyond. >> 51 would be right in the heart of middle age? >> yeah. >> good. ann's got a look at the headlines. good morning, everybody. we have a news development that's just breaking. officials in pennsylvania say the gunman who killed three women and wounded nine at a pittsburgh health club last tuesday had been in police hands just one week earlier. allegheny police say they detained, search and questioned george sodini after a bus passenger reported sing a man with a grenade. but officials say that sodini was released when the witness him. a wave of bombings today in iraq claims at least 45 lives and left more than 170 people wounded. the worst attack, a double truck bombing, was aimed at shiite civilians near the city of mosul which the u.s. calls the last

strong hold of al qaeda in iraq. other bombs targeted construction workers in baghdad. flooding and landslides triggered by a typhoon killed at least 12 people today in western japan. on china's east coast, a separate storm forced at least 1 million people to seek higher ground. earlier that storm dropped record amounts of rain on taiwan claiming at least 14 lives. bringing down a six-story hotel just minutes after it was evacuated. air traffic over the hudson river's getting a critical look today after saturday's mid-air collision between a new york tourist helicopter and a small plane. nine people were killed. there were no survivors. the crash happened in clear skies in a flight corridor where low-flying aircraft are largely unregulated. president obama wraps up his first north american summit today meeting in guadalajara with the leaders of mexico and canada to discuss trade, illegal drugs and how to fight the expected swine flu resurgence this fall without ham terring

travel. a lundberg survey says gas prices are up 16 cents a gallon in the last two weeks. aaa says the average for a gallon is $2.65, still $1.20 less than last year. gm has more than 200 gm dealers will sell used cars on ebay. consumers can haggle over prices. that's starting tomorrow. "g.i. joe" took command at the box office over the weekend. taking in more than $56 million. "julie and julia" was second and "g-force" was third. four minutes past. back outside to matt and jenna and sara. >> ann, thank you. al one came, al took off, you came, al took off. >> i think there's something -- >> let's hear from al's partner in crime with a look at the

forecast. >> we actually have some people from alaska here. are these 70s considered hot for you guys? >> very hot, yes. >> what is the summertime temperature in alaska? >> a high would be an average of like 57 >> mayb >> that is ridiculous! all right, sorry it's so hot here. we'll get from the 49th to the 50th state to hawaii where you have a tropical storm. felicia's headed right toward the islands. right now it is moving toward the west at 14 miles an hour. it will bring well needed rain to the island chain over the next couple of days, which is very good news. the rest of  >> the heat is on. good morning. temperatures are climbing into the 80s here at mid rning. we'll hit the 90s by noon time. right now 82 in washington. it will hit the upper 90s by mid afternoon with high humidity. it will feel like 105 with the hazy sunshine. then tonight a warm evening in the 80s and the 70s by dawn tomorrow. a cool front arriving tomorrow afternoon before that low and mid 90s. then showers and thundershowers

likely late afternoon and evening. cooler for wednesday and thur now to the latest on that tragic wrong-way crash here in new york. guy and michael bastardi were among the eight people killed two weeksgo when a mother driving her minivan in the wrong direction on a highway slammed into the bastardi's suv. in a moment, we'll hear exclusively from members of the bastardi family. but first nbc's anne thompson has more on this story. good morning. >> good morning. police say before the wreck, 36-year-old diane schuler was both drunk and high. but her husband refuses to believe that. insisting something else caused the accident. was 36-year-old mother diane schuler hiding a secret addiction? >> gi to bed every night knowing. my heart is clear. >> reporter: daniel schuler says no way. he insists his wife was stone cold sober before she drove on

new york's tacic parkway in the wrong direction. >> she's not an alcoholic. something medically had to have happened. >> reporter: toxicology results tell another story. >> diane schuler had a blood alcohol content of .19%. the legal limit for intoxication in new york state is .08%. >> reporter: that's the equivalent of ten shots of vodka. >> around that level of alcohol you also start to get what's called tunnel vision where your perception is changed. >> reporter: police discovered a broken absolut bottle in your mini van and test results showed she was high, too, after apparently mixing booze and marijuana. >> this is not a woman who would jeopardize five children. >> reporter: but the pieces seem ily don't add up. schuler was heading home to long island from a family camping trip late last month. driving a minivan filled with young children. two of her own and three nieces. they left around 9:30 a.m.,

stopping at mcdonald's about an hour later, and then that part's a mystery. a few hours later at 1:02 p.m. schuler called her brother and said she felt disoriented. shortly thereafter, though, she got on the highway anyway and drove nearly two miles in the wrong direction before slamming head-on into another vehicle. a horrific tragedy leaving a string of deaths, schuler herself, four of the young kids in her van. in the other car, guy baardi, known as the santa claus to his family. his father, michael, a doting grandfather of ten, and a close family friend. their car was hit as they headed to a weekly event, a family pasta dinner. diane schuler's 5-year-old son brian was the only person in her minivan who survived and he is still recovering from the accident. >> ann, thanks for reporting on this story. earlier this morning, matt sat down with the sisters roseann

guzzo and margaret who lost both their brother guy and their father michael bastardi in this crash. also with them was their lawyer and matt started by asking how the family heard about this accident. >> well, i was waiting for my father and my brother to come to my house for dinner. i kept calling my sister because they're always on time. they're always on ti. >> the sun night traditional pasta dinner. >> right. i kept calling margie, we kept calling their cell phone. we didn't know where they were. >> my brother, a tow truck driver came in and said call your mom, it looks like your uncle's car. >> they had been in an accident. >> right. so he called me and i called my sister and my brother-in-law saw the car on tv. he said it looked like my brother's car. we started calling the hospitals and everything. and from us calling the houses,

the state police had gone into my dad's house, saw my number on the caller i.d. and he called my house. that's how we found out. >> initially this story made headlines because of the sheer loss of life, the tragedy of this. and then more headlines after that, that test results had shown that the woman driving this car diane schuler had twice the legal limit of alcohol in her blood and apparently was high as well. can you just give me a sense of your response when that element of this story surfaced? >> we were -- it was almost like we were getting the news for the first time. if you think of an accident, you may say, well, you know, this was an accident. but after hearing that, it didn't have to happen. we were very angry and upset. i mean this didn't have to happen. you know? she had a choiceg. and she made choice and this is what happens when you drink and you do drugs and you get behd the wheel of a car. >> yet her husband says she was

perfect, that she was a great wife and mother, that she would have never done this. how do you respond to that? how do those two statements -- or that statement, how does it koes correspond to what you've now learned? >> you know what? i don't believe everything we hear from the schuler family. when he says about his heart is clear? my heart is broken at night. okay? i lost my father and my brother. my family is devastated by this. but i feel like if he's going to -- he's in denial. because somehow somewhere along the line you have to know somebody can drink like that. my sister and i can't drink like that. >> it was revealed that daniel schuler himself had been arrested for dwi back in 1995 after being seen driving erratically. you would think they would be even more vigilant or more aware of the dangers. >> right. we just still can't believe that she could get into the car with the kids.

>> your dad was the rock of the family. i know that's how he's been described. your brother, guy, the santa claus, did kind things for a lot of people. i know you've been receiving condolences from all around the country. >> yes. especially people who they lost their loved ones through the same kind of tragedy, somebody who was drinking and driving. i'm amazed. you hear about it, but until you go through it, you know, it really is something that i hope that they come up with new rules new guidelines or something. for moms, if they're going to drink or think about you're going in the car with your children. >> that again was matt with the bastardi family, as well their attorney. we r 'leirnthattoey. we'll be right back after th e atssages. es beautiful... on the inside. my inner-workings a work of art. a digestive tract that should be bronzed. and an immune system so stunning... [ low growl ]

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you can change your genetics. >> we want to blame it on someone. it is not our fault, we just have a slow metabolism. >> exactly. >> if you're okay sticking around for a couple of minutes, we're going to send questions your way. this is a skype question. what's your question for jillian? >> well, be what are the causeses of low metabolism and is there any natural way -- >> okay, there are absolutely natural ways to spe up your metabolism. one of the things you want to do is cut out processed foods, eat real food. very simple, vebgetables, fruit, whole grains, avoid processed foods, get your sleep, make sure you work out. >> try to do it naturally. >> absolutely. >> next up, monica from houston.

monica, let's see ha monica has tos monica has to say. >> i was wonder forge your metabolism to use artificial sweeteners or real sugar? do you have a healthy tips or safe alternatives? >> what is the deal with artificial sweeteners. are they really that good for you? are they cutting calories that you're going to get if you don't use real sugar? >> let's keep this on a positive note. always go natural. a teaspoon of sugar has 14 calories. don't exceed 12 to 15 teaspoons a day. like 150 calories of sugar. it is really nothing. at the end of the day though, there are non-toxic low-calorie sweetene sweeteners, plant derivative, low calorie, gllow glycemic

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tom will have the forecast in a moment. good morning everyone. it's monday, august 10th. our time is 9:26. let's get a preview of today's weather from tom kierein in storm center 4. dangerously hot i understand. >> that's right, kimberly. it hit the 80s, will hit the 90s and peak in the upper 90s by mid afternoon. right now it's 82 degrees but we're in the mid 80s in the nearby suburbs and as well right near the bay. highs will reach the upper 90s. we have an excessive heat advisory from noon to 10:00 p.m. the high humidity will make it feel like 105 by mid afternoon. tomorrow relief on the way but before that in the low and mid 90s, could get thundershowers late afternoon and evening. maybe wednesday and thursday much cooler.

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she feels very fortunate that she's had an incredible life and she's been given so many blessings. >> the voice of alanna stewart talking about her best friend, farrah fawcett. she helped the iconic actress document her valiant battle with cancer. she'll be joining us tomorrow live here on "today" to talk about the best friend that she lost. meanwhile inside studio 1a, i'm ann curry. here with jenna wolfe and lxtv's sara gore is joining us because al and natalie are off today. we also have stephanie abrams here as well in for al.

coming up in the next half-hour, michael jackson died the same day as farrah fawcett. we'll talk about the latest surrounding jackson's children. >> the godfather of michael jackson's three kids now claims to be the biological father of one of them. we'll find out why he's coming foard now and what the jackson camp is saying about everything. on a much lighter news, good news about growing older, about being middle aged. there are five things "prevention" magazine says we can do, mostly eat, to help feed our eyes, ears, heart and bones to stay strong and actually probably look younger because we feel younger. all about that. also ahead, this may not be on that list, but as a once in a while indulgence, the 21 bger from the same 21 subhere in new york city is a delicious treat. we'll have a chef in to reveal the secret so can you make it at home in your own backyard.

did you see the size of that thing? >> it could feed all four of us. but i've had the 21 burger. >> they're tasty. >> darn tasty. a good burger once in a while. we should probably be paying attention to the weather on a daily basis. >> very hot from the mid-atlantic all the way into the northeast. talking about heat indices above 100 degrees. that's what it is going to feel like outside. also the threat for severe weather from pennsylvania, stretching back into the southern plains. how about as we look at good morning. our temperatures around the region have hit the low and mid 80s and will hit the low 90s by noon. and then the upper 90s, the record is 98 set on this date in 1943. when you add the humidity it will feel like 105 for a couple of hours by mid to late afternoon. hazy sunshine throughout the day. should be mostly clear this evening, a few clouds around, in the 80s through the evening. 70s tomorrow morning. low to mid 90s, then afternoon

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child actor mark lester, godfather of jackson's three children, says he could be paris' biological father. he spoke to the british tabloid "news of the world." >> paris has blue eyes and pale complexion, high cheek bones. it's been commented many times how similar harriett and paris are. >> reporter: lester who says he's consulting withawyers maintains he has concerns about the well being of all of michael's children. >> i dearly want to remain in contact with those kids and i feel now this is the only way that i can ensure that. >> reporter: last week a judge awarded custody of the children to michael's mother katherine but not before a surprise appearance by the lawyer for jackson's dermatologist arnie klein. klein, who's been rumored to be the biological of michael's two oldest children, says he wants to be consulted about their health and education. last week michael's brother jermaine disputed the rumors. >> you can look at the kids and tell that they arary michael's

kids. >> none of the people that i'm aware of have any legal standing to assert any kind of claim of being a parent of these children, neither alleged surrogate mothers, nor sperm donor fathers. >> reporter: questions about the paternity of jackson's children comes as his estate rushes to close business deals that would generate millions. the state is valued at between $500 million and $2 billion but it is estimated that because of jackson's lavish lifestyle he died deeply in debt. last week, a judge green-lighted the sale of jermaine's rendition of "smile" on itunes and cleared the way for a batch of deals that will fill store shelves with michael jackson merchandise. >> that was nbc's george lewis. next, how to turn middle age to prime time. right after this. don't you eat activia? r my little issues? they're not that bad. summer's no time to put up with even occasional digestive problems.

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not just talking about cholesterol. >> it used to be worry about cholesterol but now you also want to ask your doctor if you are a candidate for a heart scan. a surprising number of heart attack victims actually have normal cholesterol. a heart scan measures calcium deposits which is another measure of damage and it may tell your doctor things other tests can't and tell your doctor, hey, we immediate to be more aggressive with lifestyle and medication. >> my doctor showed me this videotape. you can see your arteries on that videotape. that can influence your decision in terms of what to eat, how to eat, how often to eat so you can have a healthy heart. also you say there is new medical evidence that teaches something about how we should take care of our eyes. how can we help ourselves? re aients are important for preventing or slowing the loss of vision with age-related macular degeneration and problems like cataracts and glauco glaucoma. make sure you get your fill of

vitamin c, e, beta carotene and zinc. women who take supplements with these slow the loss of vision due to age-related macular degeneration. we recommend food first. reach for citrus fruit like oranges for vitamin c, nuts for vitamin e, shell fish for zinc. >> are you saying if we have more of those vitamins we'll less likely to need reading glasses? >> you're less likely to suffer from age related macular degeneration. very serious eye diseases. >> you may still have to have reading glasses. >> yes. but at affects a third of all people so it is important to get your fill of those nutrients and a standard multi can help as well and vigorous exercise can also help reduce risk of these problems. >> there are some things you can also eat for your hearing? >> yes. in this case it is vegetables that are important. we think it is loud sounds that damage those inner hairs in our

ear, but we now know it is free radicals which unfortunately just accumulate as we age. those are toxic to theai as well and antioxidants from vegetables and also a standard multi-vitamin, those neutralize free radicals and can actually improve hearing loss at all frequencies. >> when you talk about the -- are we talking about free radicals that are just kind of in the air? >> no. free radicals come about from your cells aging, they're inside your system. taking in antioxidants, basing your meals around fruits and vegetables and as many colors as you can, because the wider variety of colors, the wider variety of antioxidants. >> sturdy bones and balance. i would recommend yoga but that's a big one. the older you get the less flexible you are. >> it's true. yoga, tai chi and dance also. those are all excellent for building strength and flexibility and balance to prevent the falls. you know you need calum but you also need to get protein.

that's why dairy products are so important, because they give you the whole suite of nutrients for stronger bones. >> i love the idea that we should just dance more. yeah. because it is fun, vigorous exercise for your eyes, it is something you can do to other people so you connect with others. >> the fifth point which is very important, we talk about friendships. friendships are not an option in your view to having a healthy longer life. they are a requirement. >> they are. they are a necessity. one swedish study found in terms of preventing heart attacks, friendships are second only to not smoking. that is how powerful feeling connected to other people is for our health. women who have breast cancer are more likely to die if they don't have close friends than if they have ten or more close friends. you're correct that these are the most -- these are the best years of our lives in mid life where we feel younger, we look younger and this is the chance to get back. the kids are often out of school and we have more time for ourselves. so it is time to reconnect.

>> how do you do that though? i really think if you look at the rise in social media, it really indicates that so many people are so lonely and so what would be your recommendation in terms of how to get started, in terms of now that the kids are leaving the house, really fill your life with good friends? >> one recommendation is think of something you've always wanted to do, like take a dance class. invite some friends to go with you because it gives you the courage to try new things. don't hold back on things you've been wanting to do like join that book club. friends make us happy. having one happy friend scientists show not only make me happier, it makes my own network happier. give yourself permission to say i am going to join the book club, go out to dinner, take time to do things that make me happy with peal people who make me happy and you'll grow old naturally. >> you'll find friends doing things you want to do as well. be a friend, have a friend. courtney smith, a friend to us all, with some good advice.

we'll be right back with the 21 burger. but is is "today" on

this morning in "today's kitchen," a recipe for the world famous 21 burger with the $30 price tag. it is not your average burger. executive chef of the 21 pub is here to share with us the secret to making this burger at home. why is this such a special burger? >> the burger's been around for a numbeof years but this has probably been around for five years. what's important is the meat we use. top ground, chuck, dry-aged 21-day dry aged beef. this is what you would eat -- this is corn-fed. this is going to give the burger all its flavor, make it special. let's add that to the bowl.

you're going to get dirty here. >> okay. >> we've got f"my big fat greek wedding"- fat from our top ground that we've saved. duck fat. >> duck fat makes everything juicy. >> you can go with bacon fat if you want to. >> let's do onion. you need onion in a burger. we'l get into our seasonings. we've got fresh thyme. season with salt. keep mixing. >> i'm slacking off. >> you're working now. black pepper. >> this is our spice blend. we do a spice blend, basically a pickling spice, mustard sends, fennel seeds, pickling spice. you've had burgers with pickles? >> yes, i love pickles on my

burgers. >> you can u a little bit of egg. not too much. just to help bind it up a little bit. you don't need to add the egg if you don't want to. we would mix all this up. this would go into a grinder. you must grind it fresh because we want all the spices, fat, onion all get minced together. our next step, the browned portion -- ground portion. buy a hand grounder. $40. you'll have a better quality meat. now we've got our ground beef here, burger blend. make a meatball the size of a baseball. >> with meatballs you don't want to overwork it. >> you're not because the grinder did all the work. get it tight. we'll put it in an old pie tin. >> looks like what i got with my betty crocker cookbook. >> it is almost the same size. line this with plastic to help keep each burger the same size

and also key them individually wrapped so now refrigerate those -- >> when you get this out it is like a hockey puck. >> so it is easier to deal with on the grill. brush a little flavored oil here. flavor with thyme. >> look how perfect that is. >> this takes eight to ten minutes per side. that's what we have here. >> that one's done. >> switch them out. what we normally serve ours with is a little bit of sauteed onion with some papra,ov-dried tomatoes -- >> now you're trying to add the vegetables! we're talking about heart disease. >> she's up in arms over this. >> you have to add the 21 sauce, spicy mustard blend with ketchup, gives it a little kick. >> thank you so much. i have to go to the 21 pub and

have one. >> still to come, lisa kudrow.

our time is 9:56. we have 82 degrees in the nation's capital out there at ronald reagan national airport. you can see a breeze blowing. going toeed that today as it gets hot. we'll get the forecast coming up. good morning. i'm joe krebs. in the news, trials of the experimental h1n1 vaccine begins at the maryland school of medicine. 67 healthy adult volunteers are taking part in the testing. they have blood drawn, then receive the vaccine. the university of maryland is the lead center for the nationwide trials. a new report shows that a train operator narrowly avoided a similar crash months before

the deadly crash in june. according to documents the blue line train overran a station coming within 500 feet of another train already in the tunnel. the driver hit the emergency brake and stopped the train. metro says equipment on the train was to blame. let's get aroundup of our weather and traffic. we'll start with the hot forecast from tom kierein. >> the heat is climbing around our network in silver spring the temperature at 85, the dew point at a steamy 70, heat index, the combination of the temperature and the humidity now is at 91, that's what it feels like. only 10:00 in the morning. later on this afternoon the temperature should climb into the upper 90s. you factor in the humidity. it will feel like 105 with the hazy sunshine. then a warm evening, we'll be in the 80s through the night and tomorrow morning in the mid 70s, partly sunny tomorrow, highs in the low to mid 90s before a cool front arrives bringing maybe passing showers and thundershowers by late afternoon

and early evening. cooler weather for wednesday and thursday. could get passing showers and thundershowers both days. jerry, how's the traffic? >> good morning. loaded up along i-95 at this hour up to lorton that's where we had a broken down truck the far right lane so clearing between the ok a juan river and the interchange. making the drive along 395 to the 14th street bridge no accidents, a little bit of volume. joe? >> thanks. tonight at 5:00 the new vaccine requirement for some area school requirement for some area school children.

captions paid for by nbc-universal television hi, everybody. it is monday, it is august 10th. it's actually one day after hoda's big birthday. >> it was the longest birthday week ever. >> i forgot to call you yesterday. i woke up in the middle of the night. that throws you off. then my mother's visiting. throw all that in, it's 1:00 in the morning -- no, i'm having a

great time with my mom. >> birthday party was fun. we went to the beach where everybody wants us to do our show from there, by the way. they want us down there. i got there before everybody. my mom usually runs all the errands. i was early. my mom said can you go to the grocery store? eggs. i wrote down eggs. hannah's the baby, likes strawberry. avocado. and get your birthday cake. >> get your own birthday cake. >> i bought for myself. in case you were wondering. happy birthday hodie. she said, while you're there, get a card. so i got a card. but my mom did get me this. there's the dress my mom gave me. >> she has great taste. >> what restaurant are you at? >> this is at the house. this is at -- that's us at

romans. it was a fun little birthday party. how was your weekend? >> just beautiful. >> just hang out and relax? >> i was writing the next "everyone has a story song" doing that. and just hanging with my mom and some friends. i'm sure everybody has friends at this point in their life, what's happening in the economic downturn in the world has just affected so many people. even if you've been blessed enough not to have it affect you so much, you have a friend that's hurting. so it is a lot of that going on in the world, hoda woman. the boston pops comes over, right there on the beach, they do a big concert and it's all for the nantucket cottage hospital. we did that. for the first time we did it from the water. a friend's boat. that was fun. a real summery thing to do. >> i went to a restaurant last

night with some friends. there were people sitting at a table next to us. don't know if this has ever happened to you. they sat through an entire meal and didn't say a word. >> they're married. >> no, no. >> they're married! >> no, no, this was a mamn and looked like a teenage daughter and another kid. you watched literally. order, nothing. the whole time i kept looking. it was getting weird. the meals came. cut, cut, chew, chew. cut, chew, finish, don, bye. that's it. but a lot of married couples don't speak either. do you find that weird that you're sitting together outsi outside -- >> the only time frank and i don't speak is if i'm angry with him. otherwise we're chatting up a storm. >> speaking of couples that aren't doing so great, kate gosselin was on the air this morning. i was anxious to see her interview. meredith sat down with her to talk. she answered a lot of questions.

what struck me about the interview was she was very emotional. you can see -- >> you could see she was close to tears. >> when she actually started the interview with meredith. you would think if so much of your life is exposed and your emotions have been out there, you learn to control them. but we do have an interview -- part of the interview with kate. i think this is the first part where she's getting a little emotional. let's listen. >> i notice that you still have on your wedding ring. why is that, kate? >> for them. sorry. >> that's okay. >> i don't want to upset them. while i'm being as very real and as honest as i need to be, i don't want to shock them. i've walked slowly through this with them. thank you. if they've asked questions, i've

answered them. >> the head of security, there were rumors about you and the head of security. >> there is no affair, there never has been an affair. >> she answered both things there. >> what was to be gained by the interview. i know what's to be gained for us, it gets a lot of attention. butor her, why put yourself through even more of this if it is by choice? nobody made her come on. what can she say on the "today" show -- >> couldn't say on her own show. it sounded like she wanted to quash a lot of those rumors. thebt went through rumor by rumor. something about a condo she was rumored to have bought. >> that comes with the terth then. blog about it then. tweet. twitter. you know? just get it out there, your side of the story. i felt -- i didn't want to watch because i was hurting for her, like you don't have to say this? you don't have to go there. >> now her husband is going on

"e!" >> we're just perpetuating them. how many couples are breaking up right no there are children involved, nobody knows their story. it is not an unusual thing that's happening to them. >> we're just watching it and paying attention to it. >> one thing she said though i don't agree with, i think she said this would have happened whether -- with all the cameras or not. and i don't agree with that. i just think that when you set up yourself like that, opportunities arise as well. you start to believe maybe your own press, it's very hard to stay very grounded when people are screaming for you, chasing you to get your picture, getting allot of attention. if they were just living in a small town -- i know happens fortune es change people. it just does. >> a lot of people who do those shows say what she said, they

say the cracks are just exposed more because the spotlight's on them instead of the cracks are happening because of the camera's being on this. >> every time i see all of this, i went through some stuff in my own life that was very, very painful. people said do you have a statement? you know what? we are a statement. sometimes if you put all your energy to healing and being what you want to be you don't have time to be jacking about it anywhere and creating opportunities for it to all fall apart. i hope that family -- i believe in reconciliation. there is always hope unless you let go of it. >> sounds like she was trying to wean the wedding ring off. do it gradually because she was doing it she was saying because of her kids. but you wonder, because you could tell there was a lot of pain obviously on her. >> i did feel that her pain was very real. >> you were talking about tweeting and twittering. people from "more" magazine say it is enough of women hiding their ages. and they are asking women 40-plus women to go on twitter, i think, and to put your age --

tweet your age. >> tweet and be proud. >> if you're tweeting you're probably not -- i'm saying, a lot of young people are tweeting, younger. they want all women to get on there and say i'm 55, i'm 65, i'm 75. >> how do you keep it a secret anymore? doesn't google know when he burped? come on. that's true. >> that is true. you can't hide it. when you graduated high school, that's in there. >> it seems silly to hide your age. you are what you are. be proud. though i'm wearing a dress today that i think -- i'm always after cassidy about her posture. i'm going to give you a very good reason, show you visually why now it is very important that you have good posture. look how nice this dress looks, a younger dress. very nice. look what happens if you don't. granny bobs unless you hold

those shoulders back. if you see me walking around like this today, that's why. do you know what a sandwich says about you? >> it says a lot about your life. apparently. we pick our two favorite sandwiches from the list given to us. >> my favorite sandwich was not on the list. i think it is sponsored by hellman's. >> you chose tuna salad. a tuna salad sandwich says about kathie lee gifford -- you're generally aggressive, and achievement oriented. they are natural leaders and driven to succeed? both work and personal relationships. the best word to describe those who prefer the sue that salad sandwich -- competitive and successful. >> but see that wasn't my favorite whatever. my favorite is a panini with mozzarella -- read mine. >> come on.

that's important. that's not my favorite. your favorite is blt. conche conscientious perfectionists. devoted in all areas of your life. have they seen your dating life? work, home and relationships. the best word to describe those who love a blt sandwich, honest and full of ntegrity. you by your own volition have said you are a liar. >> i have fudged the truth to not hurt your feelings. >> that's it. honest and full of integrity. >> i'm compatible with those who prefer seafood salads. >> who likes seafood salads? >> i do. >> whatever. anyone else? >> all right. victoria beckham. remember we came up with all four judges?

they tried out victoria beckham -- we've heard ts from people who were there that she came off as icy and wooden. >> if you just lookat those pictures -- though apparently she smiled on the way in. she smiled. >> you rarely see her smile. she has a lot to smile about. >> she's got a great life. you think she'd be good in that role because she was a pop singer. she kind of gets that world. >> she has credibility. absolutely. she knows what it's like. it's a personality thing. paula, you waited to see what paula was going to say because you never knew what she was going to say. you always knew that randy was going to -- whatever he says. >> if you have guests over your house and you have lots of guests and they all want different kinds of coffee, you ask them to slide this little slidy thing to the kind of coffee they want. decaf, black, two sugars. you can slide it around and make

it different. or you can use this cup. you point to whatever shade of coffee you like and -- if i have someone at my house to is pointing to the shade of coffee they like and i'm supposed to match it? they're out. that's anal. that's too much. >> anybody that can't pour their own milk -- that's a little lazy. we're raising children like that in this world. >> yes, we are. >> speaking of children -- sara, tell everybody how old you are. be proud. >> 31. >> yeah. >> my favorite quote though was your google burp. doesn't google know when we burp? guess what we have coming up. cabana boy curtis. girl's night in with curtis. the contest begins today. klgandhoda.com. it ends friday, august 21st, at 7:00 p.m. curtis comes to your house and cooks dinner for you and your

friends. last time they handcuffed him. you make it what you want it. >> he also took his time getting out of them. he said i've got the weekend, let's make it count. coming up, lisa kudrow is in the house. >> there's a woman who can crack a smile. no problem. we'll sit down with her. she's tell us all about her new movie after these messages. 6

if you've ever watched tv, then of course you know the emmy award winning lisa due crow playing phoebe in the classic comedy series "friends." >> now lisa is playing a mom, a role she knows very well in her latest movie about a high school battle of the bands, called "band slam." lisa kudrow, so glad you're here. >> you're one of those people that everybody likes. >> yes. >> everybody likes. >> thanks. >> you said when you got here you haven't aged a bit since "friends." we expected a different girl. >> thank you! >> why is that, lisa kudrow? are you just a happy woman? >> i'm so happy. i am. well that's good. >> you're not acting when it comes to that. >> no. >> you're happily married, you've got an 11-year-old son. how are you spending the summer? >> not doing much. i'm working doing sufficient like this. promoting the movie and other

things that i'm doing. so we usually go to france every summer. we couldn't do that. >> is he french? >> my husband's french, yeah. >> your son enjoys it out there? >> sure, yeah. he sees his cousins and everyone he never gets to see. >> there's something about that accent. >> how sexy -- any accent. >> i don't want to offend people but -- zblfrg he says. it's like good morning. and even when he says like, oh, did he burp? >> let's talk about your movie, "band slam." you play a mom. describe your son in this movie. >> the shoes are dangerous. >> i like the shoes until they won't stay on the foot. my son -- i play karen who has a son who is -- it's really heartbreaking because this kid is smart enough to know he doesn't fit in anywhere and also too smart to fect some

personality to try to put it so he just is who he is. it is kind of heartbreaking but you know he's going to be okay. you know? >> you say you could relate to that, as somebody said. you felt that a little bit that way in high school? >> i did. i felt like i didn't really fit in and i cried a lot in high school, every night, because i wanted to have a boyfriend and i kind of wand to. >> you weren't cheerleader. >> no, and i couldn't be that girl. >> you're legendary for your intelligence. you're like off the charts? >>no, i'm not off the charts. >> am i confusing you with someone else? >> i've heard that. no, no. that's me. make no mistake, i am that smart. >> what were you studying before you went into acting? >> biology. >> that's it? >> yeah. >> a couple of frgs? i thought it was something like amazing. >> it was something amazing. it was. but it's too boring and complicated to go into. >> some people may not realize

this, you're also very musical yourself. i think we have a clip of your wonderful, wonderful musical abilities. ♪ smelly cat ♪ smelly cat ♪ what are they feeding you everybody! ♪ smelly cat ♪ smelly cat ♪ it's not your fault ♪ we'll take you to the vet >> we love that clip. >> did you feel like you had to be the role model for these young kids? >> not for them. no way. >> who was the mother of that group? was it you? >> of them? no, they didn't need a mother. they all have mothers. that's why they're good kids. they seem to be all really close with their families. i kind of think that makes a big difference. >> who was on last week, vanessa hutchins was on last week and

talked about what a good experience was. >> i've met her parents two h times now. that means they're around. al alli's mother was there all the time. they're like 19. >> are they stage mother types? do they get involved or they just sort of stand in the background and let things happen? >> stay in the background, chitchat with me about motherhood and -- >> make sure bad things don't happen. that's really your goal there. not to keep people from doing their jobs but to make sure nobody oversteps the line. would you care if your son went into this business? >> i really -- he is really talented. so if he wants to do it, there will be no holding him back but i'd like him to wait until after college. >> or during college and be prepared once it is over. >> exactly. >> but if you got the call and some producer said -- steven spielberg calls and says i want your boy for the lead in my next film -- >> which won't ever happen because he won't have any way of

owing. >> lisa, thank you. good luck with the movie. >> thank you. >> "band slam" is in theaters starting on friday. still to come, how a photo anprnet o helped one mom drop 101 pounds. but first these messages.

still to come, she grew up in an active family, bike and boating. >> and never had a weight problem until she had her kids. which diet helped this 38-year-old mom lose more than -- listen to this -- 100 pounds. >> wow. her before an afters after these messages and your local news.

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we wrap up this monday with more of "today" and the induction of into the "joy fit club." >> after her second child christa early weighed in at 229 pounds when a photo she came across led her to lose 101 pounds. before we introduce you to christa, let's take a look at her story. >> my name is christa early. i'm a wife and mother of t from knoxville, tennessee. growing up i was average size and i never worried about my health. but as i got older my weight increased gradually. i was a full-time mom with no time to exercise and i ate all of my meals on the go.

i worried about the example i was setting for my children but i lacked the desire to change. at 36 i weigh 229 pounds and wore a size 18. my weight prevented me from activities i loved and instead, i spent my time indoors watching television and snacks. in 2007, a photo was taken of me on the beach and i was devastated with how much weight i'd put on. that's when i decided that i needed to lose more than a few pounds. i needed to lose 100. i turned to l.a. weight loss which taught me portion control and how to carefully plan out my meals. i also started exercising, walking in the morning before the kids were awake or running after work with a friend. my family, my friends and my faith were my support system and with their help i kept the weight off for over a year. i have achieved a lifestyle change of good eating habits that i am proud to pass down to my children. >> we are here with "today" nutritionist and leader of the joy pack -- ♪ leader of the pack

>> these are great every single week. this one is unique as well. >> i think christa's story is really going to strike a chord witso many men and women that constantly travel for work. it is clearly easier when you're on the road to jump from one fast food restaurant to another and order the high-fat, calorie foods. but in the end you'll pay price. low energy, increased health risks. >> let's go to the christa before picture. all right, christa. come join the "joy fit club." >> wow! wow! >> christa, hello! >> that picture that she saw, picture of you in the bathing suit that really woke you up, what was it about that image? >> i was telling joy i had lost 30 pounds before i had went on that trip. when i went on that trip and saw

that picture, i was like, wow! that's not enough. picture of her in a bathing suit? might have the after shot. you did l.a. weight loss and you ended up exercising. what kind of stuff did you ? >> i started doing some tae-bo workouts -- >> hold on, stop everything right now. >> wow! >> her husband chris is smiling over the. >> that is astonishing. that's from tae-bo and the rest. >> running. i actually ran a loop around central park. that was my first thing i did when i got here, it's the furthest i've ever run. >> is that five miles? >> 6.2 miles. not that i'm counting. >> you ran the whole way. >> i did. i ran the whole way. my husband came with me. he ran with me. very supportive. >> it's always about the food, joy. we have a great visual to show people. let's explain what we've got

going here on the table. >> we went over foods that she would in her before life frequency order. this is three-quarters of a large domino's meat pizza. the equivalent of 30 teaspoons of lard. >> what? >> 30 teaspoons of lard in the amount at she would eat. she woul consume four to six slices. >> this is a large visual. >> a quizno's prime rib cheesesteak sandwich, the equivalent of 17 teaspoons of lard and just under 1,700 calories. cinnamon crunch bagel with thick cream cheese, more than 600 calories and six teaspoons of lard. >> any of this look good to you? >> the bagel maybe a little bit. >> egg mcmuffin with two sides

of hash browns, 750 calories. 11 teaspoons of lard. large double-thick chocolate milkshake from mcdonald's. 4 1/2 teaspoons of lard but consider more than 100 teaspoons of sugar in this. 770 calories. here we have a double cheeseburger from burger king with a large order of onion rings. it is more than 1,000 calories but it's also 13 teaspoons of lard. before we leave all of the bad stuff, do i have to point out that she has a vegetable garden now at home and these are some of the beautiful vegetables and produce that she has growing had her backyard. >> your before and after shot -- can we just see it one more time? >> whoa! >> wow. wow. you said you had family, friends and faith. you've got tose three things in your life, you can do anything. >> you can. >> congratulations. >> thanks for sharing your story with us, sweetie. up next, we're going t talk

about texting. is it bad manners? probably. after this.

we're back with "today's tech" and proper etiquette. >> it often feels like people are doing more texting than talking. is modern technology killing intimacy and turning us into social monsters? our online correspondent sara hains hit the streets to find out the biggest pet peeves in tech etiquette. >> what is the worst and most annoying thing people do with their phones? >> talking on the phone during dinner. >> that happens? >> yeah. a lot. >> whoa, role reversal.

you're telling me your mom talks on the phone at dinner? >> yeah, all the time. >> have you ever been on a date when someone does something you're like, you're so not getting a second one. >> usually if the girl is pretty i'll let a lot go. >>ome things never change with technology. >> girl's pretty enough, she can get away with a lot. >> if your phone rang right now would you take it? >> i would because it is my son. hello? >> what's the most annoying thing people do with their phones? >> when you try and hold a conversation with someone. >> wait a second. >> you're on that all the time, do people get annoyed with you? >> knob with because i'm discrete. >> show me discrete. i'm talking to you right now. that'sot very discrete. >> that's the most annoying thing with kathie lee and hoda? >> nothing. i love you. i watch you every day. >> that's sweet. probably doesn't have a job. the new york bureau chief for

wired.com. host of the new show "is it true" premiers tonight on discovery. >> 10:00 p.m. >> welcome, sweetie. congratulations. >> this seems tobe a function of good manners versus bad manners. >> thoughtfulness. >> yeah. wouldn't you say? >> sure. manners are manners. if you are with somebody and saw somebody else and decided, excuse me, hold on, i'll go over there and talk to that person for a while it would be just as rude as if you pulled out something to initiate a conversation. >> it sort of started with the whole call waiting thing. >> it really did. which actually showed you your place in a relationship with somebody. how long they left you on call waiting let you know how important they were. you ever talking to somebody, hold on, i have a call. now you're in call waiting purgatory. five minutes later, like what? am i really that low? do i really have that low sense of self-esteem that i'm hanging

on? >> they might come back and say i just got the worst news. i totally forgot you were even there. >> but that's rare. >> what's unforgivable in the tech world? >> having more fun talking to people that aren't there than being -- enjoying the people that you're with. usually the rule of thumb is that if you're using your device to bring people in to the conversation, say, hey, i'm sitting here with hoda and kathie lee, thi is soah cool, i wish you were here. that would be fine -- though it wouldn't be fine. >> you're saying what's fine. is it really ever fine to text -- i'm sitting with you, we're having coffee. i am text messaging. is there any circumstance where you think that's okay to text message while i'm sitting with you at a table? >> if i was texting the cons yarnlg to say bring hoda a lovely flower -- >> okay, that would be fine. >> but she wouldn't know that. that's the problem. >> she would feel terrible when

that flower arrived and i said, well, it was i was texting in the order. >> my rule of thumb is, i call it the women rule. i've never met a woman who is okay with anybody texting while you're in their presence. if i'm in front of a woman i don't do it. i'll excuse myself. excuse me, but i won't do it in front of her because women really have a problem with it. men i don't care. then i realize why. because women realize the reason why i don't mind doing it in front of my male friends is because i don't care what they think about me. women what they know is they know you don't care about them if you're texting in front of them, the same way you don't care about your male friend. they're like you're not going to put me in that group. >> i went in a restaurant dow the street, it was 11:00 in the morning. christine and i were sitting there. she's texting and i'm on the phone. we'd just done this thing about how rude it was. but that's like a little office for us there.

>> sometimes it is like that. >> but it looks terrible but that's exactly what it was. >> i got this discussion from my wife this weekend, bring that up. we don't like you texting in our presence. >> but because of work and everyone expects you on call 24/7, some people curl up with their blackberrys. if you said, i'm sorry, this is a work thing, is that okay? >> it is hard to draw the distinction. you're gettings things and whether or not you decide to look at them and deal with them in real time is another matter. my phone is going op off constantly now. i'm choosing to ignore it. it could be important, could not be. me initiatesing something, excuse me, i need to make an important call, that's always rude. >> if you're out with your wife or girlfriendand your boss calls, if you take the call you better say this better be so important, if it's not you're going to be sleeping with me. that's all there is to it. if this is not really important you better get ready to sleep

with me because you just ruined it for me. >> you want to tell jim bell that or should i? thanks, guys. coming up next, a new look for the fall from head to toe. right after this.

. if "today's beauty," tips for the fall. >> we've asked for some direction on fall's latest fashions. i can't believe we're talking about fall. >> i know. we got gypped this year. >> seeing some of the old classics coming back? >> the great news this fall is it is really fun. designers don't want us to save our fun looks for the weekend. take our nighttime looks, tweak them a little bit and wearmhe t in the day. you look great in purple eye shadow, why wear it on the weekend? >> i notice your fingernails. i knew the dark colors were in. >> they're still in. >> darks are still in but now we're looking at navy blue.

think sapphire blue. we can't afford sapphires for our necks but we can afford sapphire nail polish. >> you should only do that on short nails. >> yes, keep it on short nails an use a top coat because darker colors chip faster. dark colors you see it. >> her hair. >> i was like "pretty in pink"? but now we've seen it on rihanna, megan fox, it adds a lot of volume and lift to the face. tease the front, smooth it back and hit it with a ton of hairspray. >> let's move past the rock 'n' roll look. this is tracy. >> tracy's hair you can actually do in your sleep. what you do is you just mist the hair before you go to bed with a little bit of water. start some braids from your ears down. the more braids you do, the tighter the look. the looser the braid, the looser

the wave. wake up in the morning, take out the braids, finger wave. finish with some spray. that's it. >> no matter how you sleep on your wet hair that's braided it will turn out looking good like that. >> hopefully. >> if you have a face like her. eyelashes are big again. >> fake eyelashes can be really scary. she's never worn them. think about the first time you wore heels. once you get used to them you know you add a little extra umph to your look. >> how do you know what type are best for you? >> start off with the ones that don't look quite as intense. there are realy great natural looking ones at the drugstore for $6. trim them to add your eye shape, thim them with mascara and they'll blend right in with your regular lashes. >> she's got a natural lip gloss

on. >> even use a little bit of concealer or foundation on to take away more of the pink of your lip. >> no lining. >> no lining. if you use your own foundation shade it will work on any -- don't borrow your foundation. >> acheu, tracy. >> our final model, bold beauty. bold cassie. hello, cassie. how are you? tell us about cassie's look. >> we saw these all summer long. everybody was doing little braids. we just pulled it into a bun. it makes the messy bun more sophisticated. a great way to go in the fall. >> i love that look. >> there is a bright lipstick now for everybody. pink, coral, red. if you're a little scared of lipstick, try a lip gloss or stain, where it on the house on the weekends. >> who should wear the bold, bright colors? >> younger people. >> what about -- older women the red gets in the lines.

you look like a pizza after an hour. >> if you use a liner you can keep it in. bright lips brighten the entire face. it is not necessarily just for a young woman. >> day or night as well? >> day or night. >> contra powder is one of my favorite things. it does for the face what spanx does for the body. >> where do you put it? >> use one shade darker than your tural skin tone and put it right there. two spritripes, blend, blend, blend, blend, blend. we'll be right back with more of "today" on nbc.

it's sara sage time. >> lot of talk on the tech etiquette. i hate when people text during the middle of the conversation, they'll look at me while they're

listening but texting at the same time. >> that is not nice. >> can't do both. >> hope you learned something today. i know i did. >> we will haveun tomorrow. nancy grace, great new book out. we have a lot. come over.