good morning. obama-clinton in 2012 in advisors to secretary of state hillary clinton say it's on the table. what would that mean forice presidenjoe biden? this morning we'll talk to the chairman of the dnc about that and the upcoming midterm elections. destroyed by evil, the lone survivor of a home invasion speaks out about the murder of his fe and two daughters. and her side of the story, mel gibson's ex-girlfriend spks out for the first time about their volatile relationship and bitter custody battle "today," wednesday relationship and bitter custody battle "today," wednesday october 6, 2010. captions paid for by nbc-universal television

and good morning. welcome to "today" on a wednesday morning. i'm matt lauer. >> and i'm meredith viera. it didn't happen in 2008, but is an obama-clinton pairing being considered for 2012? >> according to bob woodward, it would mean vice president joe biden and hillary clinton basically swapping positions. y would that benefit president obama? we'll have the details straight ahead. and she survived and her was murdered. now a witness had come forward. we're going to have the latest on the case. if you had a piece of gold that was worth about $450, how much do you think you would get from one of those popular money for gold companies. you would not believe the range of offers we received. one offer, less than $39.

we'll get more on that coming up. but firstet's get a check of the morning headlines. secret talks are underway amid karzai and the taliban. another attack aimedt a nato convoy taking supplies to afghanistan. gunmen set fire to at least 25 tankers loaded with fuel and killed a driver. it was the sixth attack in less than a week. today the court hears arguments in a key first amendment case. at issue, whether it's protected speech when protestershow up at the funerals of returnin veterans. at least foureople were killed when a sludge reservoir gave way in an industrial plant southwest of budapest pouring

into three villages. several people are miss tlchlgt. overseas markets are -- cnbc's melissa frances is the a stock exchange for us. >> looks like a big day for the market. markets are rallying, gold hitting another record high, oil higher as well. although the dollar is at an eight-month low against the euro. we're also watching a key jobs report today. and some wild weather in the west. parts of arizona saw hl the size of golf balls on tuesday. one homeowner shot this video you see there as the hail fell into his backyard pool. and it was an early october snowstorm in parts of nevada forcing driving to be extra careful there.

back over to matt, meredith and al. pretty soon that will be us. and right here we're starting another day with more clouds than sunshine.

mostly cloudy skies. we've had a few sprinkles to the west, but i thinke'll be dry fo the rest of the afternoon. poolesville in montgomery county at 48 degrees. right now with a light southwesterly wind we'll get to a high of 63, 64 degrees. and then loads of sunshine starting friday, going thr >> let's go to the videotape, slow motion iso. i screw up and -- >> it could have been ugly. anyway, al, thank you very much. let's turn to politics now, as president obama considers a different running mate for 2012. a veteran journalist says an

obama-clinton ticke is being considered. what are you hearing? >> reporter: obviously bob woodward last night in an inteiew on cnn said according to some clinton advisors the idea of hillary clinton joining president obama on the ticket in 2 2012 is on the table. this morning i spoke to david axelrod. he said the report is absolute fiction, he goes on to say how loyal president obama is to vice president biden. the idea that anybody would be on the ticket other than joe biden again is fiction. that said, i can tell you that sources have told me that if there is a new job for hillary clinto in the next year, matt, it's most likely to be secretary of defense. remember robert gates is likely to leave before the end of 2011. that would be a more likely move. but the november midterms are now less than four weeks away and you can see the anger and

frustration in the voters being channeled into tv ads 30 seconds at a time. it october, and that means one thing in a political year. >> i'm not a witch. >> reporter: lots a lots of tv ads. >> barack obama is the worst president in history. >> reporter: with the midterm elections just under four weeks away, replican candidates have settled on a target. >> it would already have been done if i had robin carnahan there. >> that was a simple fund-raiser. >> reporte and now it's a biting punch line in the missouri senate race for republican roy blunt. >> the disastrous stimulus bill, government run health care, robert carnahan supporting them on. >> reporter: wisconsin republican ron johnson takes on

incumbent democrat russ feingold. kentucky republican rand pa went after the democrat jack conway. >> the republicans are nationalizing this election and that's easier to do in a midterm when the president's unpopular. >> reporter: without a national politician to run against, democrats are trying to lalize issues targeting hot button issues. >> mr. johnson would put insurance companies back in control. >> reporter: and in washington, democrat patty murray hopes t public's frustration with wall street will hurt republican dino ross si. >> dino rossiut for himself.

>> by the way last night, president obama a little funny moment at an event. he was speaking a his podium. the presidential sale, off camera, it falls off, makes a loud noise, the president joked about it, take a listen. >> we cannot sustain. oops. was that my -- oh, goodness. that's all right. all of you know who i am. >> reporter: well, look, those poor advanced people that hang those things, the carry it around, that seal is in its own briefcase, matt, sometimes those things happen. >> chuck, thank you very much. former virginia governor tim kaine is the chairman of the democratic national committee. governor kaine, nice to see you as always. bo woodward said theres

consideration on the table that we might see obama-clinton in 2012. have you heard talkbout it? >> other than seeing speculation about it in the press, i have been to the white house and talk to people all theime and i haven't heard anything about it >> do you think that might be a good idea? >> my job is pretty focused on november too. i don't even know, is there going to be a november 3? i'm really focussed on the next four weeks. i think it's kind of like is randy moss going to get traded from the patriots to the vikings, it's speculation, but i don't think there's anything to it. >> let's talk about voter turnout. obviously it's keyo y folks in the november midterm elections. the president has said that it would be irresponsible for democratic voters to stay home in the midterm elections, yet in the latest polling, even with a high turnout, republicans hold a 13% lead and even if it's low,

that ld swells to 18%. how do democrats chip away at those numbers in the next four weeks? >> we have got a lot of work to do, but the good news is this, since labor day to october 1, the po democrats have done a little bit better. the enthusiasm gap over the summer has narrowed. we're seeing our hand improving both because our candidates are out there doing good work and the republicans are nominating folks that i think paint a real ark choice between the two parties. >> let's talk about some themes. newt gingrich, the former speaker of the house wrote a mem me to some republican candidates saying they should make democrats e party of food stamps and the republicans the party of paychecks. if republican candidates use that idea out on the campaign trail, how do you suggest that democrats counter it? >> i think the american public will laugh if republicans try to

be the party of paychecks. they put the economy into a tank, into a lost decade where americans lost money under republican learship. they don't have a credible claim about being the paycheck party. the democrats who have turned the economy from shrinking to growing again for the first time in years will be able to trump them on that. >> there is some talk the president has talked tough as of late saying it's time for democrats to buck up, the vice president said it's time for democrats to stop whining. polling though shows governor kaine that se democrats have some real differences of opinion with the white house or issues like the economy and health care reform. so when they use talk like that, are you afraid at all that it might backfire? >> there are differences, tt, one of the great things about the democratic party is that we're a very diverse party regionally, demographically, b that also means -- it's a good

aspect of our party, it's also occasionally maddening. i think the president and vice president's language here is kind of like the coach giving you the tough love talk before you start the game. i have been traveling around heavily the last couple of weeks as the president and the vice president have been say thachlgt i don't see the president bummed out or mad that those things are being said. we're seeing the enthusiasm gap being closed because our democratic voters are realizing the stark choice to be made between the party that's doing the heav lifting and the party that's saying no. >> there's been some talk that robert gibbs is eyeing your job and that you may actually move inside the west wi. what do you want to tell me about th? >> that was also news to me when i read it saturday. i'm jus out doing campaign events. i ess it must be on a need to know basis. 7:13, here's meredith.

the seoul suole survivor in brutal home invasion in connecticut -- jeff rossen as covered the trial from the start and he has details for us. >> reporter: good morning to you. the jury didn't te very long here, less than five hours over the course of two days to reach a verdict and they really threw the back at him. not only did they find steven hayes dguilty of murder, they found him guiy of capital murder. >> my family is still gone, it doesn't bring them back. it doesn't bring back the home that we had. >> dr. willi petit had waited in pain for three yrs for this mont. tuesday the jury found this man, stephen hayes guilty of torturing and killing petit's family, his wife jennifer, and

their girls michaela and hayley. >> what happened when they were reading the verdict, guilty, guilty guilty >> just relief, trying to maintain my kmoez your. >> prosecutors showed e jury some disturbing images about how the defendants tied pet -- and video of jennifer petit's time act, trying to pay the suspects off at a local bank. and then prosecutors say hes and his accomplice burned the house down killing this mother and her children still inside. yet william petit came to court every day to face the man who did it. >> if your family was destroyed by evil, i think that you would all y to do the same thing and

be there for your family. >> reporter: the jury found stephen hayes guilty of 16 crimes including murder, kidnapping and sexual assault. hayes is now fing a possible execution by lhal injection. >> over the last couple of weeks, i just kept trying to tell myself that good will overcome evil. >> for william petit this is and has always been about the loves of his live. >> i miss them everday and i think i just try to focus on them and the goodness that they had to try to get through each day. >> reporter: he has been through so much. later this month, the same jury that decided guilt or innocence in this case will be back in this courthouse to start the penalty phase and they will decide once andor all whether stephen hayes suld be put to death. then a new trial for joshua comb

sar jeff sky. >> yes the state may have proven that stephen hayes poured gasoline all over the house and all over the victims, but that doesn't mean he started the fire. so that's the one count he did get away with. >> as jeff just pointed out t jury did find stephen hayes guilty of 16 of the 17 counts against him and they did so after deliberating for just five hours. from an tsider's point of view, it always seemed that there was evidence against this man, but from a lawyer's perspective, what do you make of the length of the delibetions. >> i think it's a comparatively quick deliberations. in high profile cases particularly when you've got 17 charges, we tend t see jurors really want to take their time. why? because they know the world is watching, they want to make sure they're really, really careful. but the problemn this case or the difference in this case was that the evidence was absolutely

overwhelming and so they didn't have to take the sort of- >> the defendant had even admitted to some of this. >> yeah. so they didn't even have to take the sort of time that they often take in a case like this, even when there's 17 charges. and u can see from the comment that jeff was making about the arson charge that they very carefully looked at this count by count, they didn't just say that he's guilty,hey went count by count, charge by charge, they defined what the charge meant. at would be the necessary things. >> the judge's remarks about the arson, they were saying if you can't prove that hayes literally struck the match that caused the fire you can't convict him of arson? >> how do you define starting a fire? does this necessarily make sense in a legal sense? not necessarily. but jurors verdicts don't

necessarily have to be consistent. and if these jurors believed that the legal definition wasn't met, in the end it's not particularly significant in terms of the sort of sentences. >> how can you find him not guilty of arson but find him guilty of murdering the petit daughters when they were killed by the fire. >> they can't talk now because they're eectively still in the middle of the trial. but they may have focused specifically on the intent to start the fire, meaning to light it, as opposed to thedea of laying down the gasoline. so we don't know f certain, but that's my gues >> dr. petit has said that he would like to see both of these defendants face the death penalty. given the speed at which the juror reached its decision, will that have any impact on this next phase, the personality face? >> i don't think the speed tell us us a whole lot.

the guilt face was easy. now in the penalty phase, the defense is going to try something different. they're going to try to get these jurors to believe that this guy has been a troubled guy, this guy was not the guy who was leading. >> so he was manipulated by the other guy. >> exactly. so even if you think he's guilty, even if you think he shouldet a very severe punishment, it doesn't mean that he should get the death penalty in this case. and they're going to talk about what he was like and all the troubles that he endured. think the guilty phase was basically an effort to safe his life. it is 7:20 and once again here's matt. this morning we have learned that the federal trade commission is takin action against a company that it says built a -- lore people's tax

debt. kevin tibbles is in chicago with this. >> reporter: this morning the ftc is calling it an elaborate fraud that preyed on those desperate to get out from under a mountain of tax debt. >> if you owe over $15,000 in taxes -- >>er you've probably heard the pitch. >> this is your one second chance. use it well. >> reporter: ads pmising to help people climb out from under tax debt. >> american tax relief got them to accept a fraction of what we owed. >> reporter: tim fullerton was despere when he heard the ad. >> we can reduce your tax debt by up to 90%. >> reporter: and you said? >> it sounds like a plan. >> reporter: turns out fullerton wasn't the only one. some 15,000 people paid american tax relief fees totaling as much as $100 million. the problem is they didn't deliver. >> because of the downturn in the economy, scam artists are trying to take the last dollar

out of people's pocket. >> reporter: today the federal trade commission has shut american tax relief down accusing it of bilking consumers. >> preying on the most vulnable, ople who are deeply in debt to the irs. >> it's a god thing, i just want to fix it. >> reporter: he said american tax relief $2750 but nothing happened, then he fessed up to darlene who just happened to an accountant. >> the ftc claims american tax relief took the cash but never even approached the irs. they lived in a beverly hills passion and drover luxury cars. >> i was very, very an by with american tax relief. >> reporter: the fullertons have gotten half their money back after protesting. >> it comes down to the old phrase if something sounds too good to be true.

>> it is too good to be true. >> lawyers for american tax relief did not retn phone calls from nbc news. meanwhile the morning, the ftc is saying if you owe money to the irs, then consult the irs or hire a certified tax professional. >> kevin tibbles in chicago for us this morning. coming up on a wednesd morning, a witness comes forward with an alleged att

coming up mel gibson's exwoo opens up about their relationship. goodmorning. it's 7:26 on this wednesday, the 6th of october.

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7:30 now on this wednesday morning, october 6, 2010. and we're looking at a sea of smiling faces on rockefeller plaza. and coming up, where are your tax dollars going? >> many cities and towns are struling to pay for their public works and teachers, some government workers are being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars every year. coming up, we'll tell you where the biggest offenders are. and a revealing interview with mel gibson's ex. she's opening up about the threats that the actor made against her. what she's now saying coming up. and a warning before you consider sellingome of your unwanted gold jewelry to make a little extra cash. wait until you hear just how little some companies are actually giving you for that gold. just ahead the results of our "today" investigation. but we begin with new

details of an alleged attack of an american couple by mexican pirates on a texas border lake. authorities say a witness has now come forward. janet shanlian is outside of the mexican consulate with the very latest. >> reporter: just a dastating time for this young woman as e's trying to get some answers, trying to get her husband's body returned to the united states. mexican authorities are now casting doubt on her account of what happened that day out there on thelake. the story of mexican pirates shooting at tiffany and david hartley as they jet skied on a border lake in south texas has now become an international incident. seeking answers in the return of her husband's body, tiffany had a three-hour meeting yesterday at the mexican consulate. >> it seems like you have to file a missing person's report at the federal level. now it's official.

>> reporter: u.s. authorities said they couldn't scorch for david's bodyecause it happened on mexico's side of the lak and they had no evidence officials in mexico were looking. on "toda" tiffany told meredith there was little assistance across the border. >> they're not doing what they need to do to get in that water and find them. they're not getting in the water. they don't have people on the ground. they don't have people looking for him. and that's why we're pleading that, please. bring him back. >> reporter: meanwhile officials in mexico questioned tiffany's storytelling a texas newspaper, we are not certain that the incident happened the way they are telling us. but on the u.s. side, the sheriff ovseeing the case says a credible witness corroborates tiffany's account of what happened. >> i have confidence that she's saying the truth. at the present moment based on wh we v there's nothing really to doubt her story at this time.

>> reporter: meanwhile with his motorcycle up on stage, a memorial for david hartley in mcallen last night. a celebration of a life well lived. >> he liked the finer things in life and was always up for an adventure. >> reporter: but for those left behind, no closure. >> until we meet again, my friend. >> reporter: uil they can bring david home. tiffany was at that very touching memorial last ght. but today she resumes her fight to get mexican authorities to look for her husband to bring closure and to finally bring her husband home. >> we're going to talk to the county sheriff in a moment. but first tiffany hartley is with us again this morni along with her mother cthia young, good morning to all of you. >> good morning. >> tiffany, if i could start with you, you spent part of yesterday at the mexican consulate, can you tell us about

efforts to find your husband's body? >> they basically told us that we had to have this storm filled out basically a statement and as soon as they had that, they would take it off and send it off to mexico city authorities and they would also take it over to reyanosa and get the ball rolling. >> do you feel your concerns were being met by them in a timely fashion? >> i do -- i think they're going to start doing what needs to be done. i have got hope we felt good when we left. >> tiffany, mexican authorities and even some americans have questioned your story, you're aware of that. partly because there is no evidence at this point of a crime, no body has been found. so i have to ask you, just pointblank, did you have anythingo do with the disappearance and/or the death of your husband, david. >> no. not at all.

i loved him very much. and i went back for him to help him and i did what i could. >> why do you believe that authorities have cast doubts on your story? >> because we do have no evidence. we were in mexico and u.s. authoritiecan't go over there. and i have no proof, i have no cameras, i have nothing. i don't have the otos that we were taking. i don't have anything except for my word. >> yesterday you told me, tiffany, that you state one o the boats came up to me, this is your qte and had a gun pointed at me trying to decide what to do with me and then they left. how close did these people come to you? can you describe them to me? >> honestly, looking at the barrel of the gun is all i saw. i was pretty focussed there. i couldn't tell you what they looked like.

but they were within the length of my jet ski of me, which is about ten et. >> why do you think, tiffany, why do you thi they would spare your life if in fact they had killed yourhusband, why would they want anyone aund that could possibly id them? >> i have no idea. all i cano is give god the glory. that's all i can do, that he had touched them to leave me and go and figure out with the other two boats what can happen so i had that time to get away. with god's grace, i wouldn't be alive. >> cynthia, you're tiffany's mom, when you hear her talking about what she describes as a frightening loss of her husband, what goes thrgh your mind as a mom? >> i get really angry as a mom because they didn't walk in her

shoes that day and i can understand where they think that didn happen, that she fabricatededt because how many women would have the strength to turn around and try and help her husband instead of just running and saying hope it works, you know? but her instinct at that point was save david so she instaly turned around, putting herself in danger to get her husband and help him. that's how much in love they were. >> sheriff, if i can bring you in now, let me turn you to you, when you first got word of things dent on t things -- this incident, what went through yourblind what went through my mind is what we have been telling people since april about t pirates on falcon lake, one thing i dread the most is having a fisherman go to the lake and go to mexico and challenge some of these

thugs and these weapons that they have who barely know how to use them,etting shot in the head and i'm going to have a body in the water that i'm not going to be able to retrieve. the one thing that i dreed the most came true. when this call came in, at first i thought it was the ever present violence in mexico that we were seeing in thi area, that violence had crossed over again into our county. >> do yohave any doubts about tiffany's story? any unanswered questions that you would like to have her respond to? >> there's no doubt in my mind that tiffany's saying the truth. tiffany, when we saw r, she came over here, she was distraught, there was one witness, an independent witness who has never even mitt tiffany before, who actually even saw this boat chase her int the united states and as soon as she arrived with h to seek assistance, this boat made a u turn and headed back towards mexico and the information that

tiffany provided, there was four or five people in the boat, same information the witness provided. so there's no doubt in my mind that tiffany's saying the truth. >> do you believe the mexican authorities are dog all they can to try to find david or do you think they're hindering the investigation? >> well, it's a custom to some extent to hinder the information, but late last night we spoke to an official with the state police in mexico and he assured me that they had been out there on friday and on satuay. the good news is that he assured today that starting at 10:00 this morning they would have several boats, helicopters looking in that area all over again. and they're not going to stop until they find something or until all efforts have been exhausted. so they plan to be there all y today, which is something we were hoping for, my colleague in

laredo who made some phe calls, the governor of texas called me last night. he made some phone calls also last night. as did staff members fm other congressmen seeking some type of assistance. it's my understanding that the veryigh ranking official from the attorney general's office in mexico would also be flying down to the area by noon "todatoda t things are moving. >> and sheriff very quickly and finally, if you had your rathers, would you prefer that folks in your office could join in this search with the mexican authorities instead of being left out of it? >> it's not that we're being left out, we have been invited to participate, just last night to actually go to mexico and participate. we have chosen to remain here simply becauset's dangerous, it's not that we don want to go there, we can protect ourselves, we can get our assets

to go to mexico, but if we get in a gun battle it would be an international incident that would definitely have some repercussions. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. and rht here this morning we have just a little bit more sunshine than what we had yesterday, and temperatures are just a lile higher through the area. but for the afternoon, more clouds and perhaps even some scattered showers.

54 degrees is the current temperature now in the district around takoma park and anacostia. in frederick, 52. we'll see a high out of the 50s and into the low to mid-60s. >> and that's your latest weather. up next, do you rlly get top dollar from companies who want to buy your old gold? "today" the results of our investigation. ♪

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this morning on "today" investigates, gold prices have reached new highs but will you get your money's worth if you sell your unwanted gold? >> this time, it's seller beware, it's tempts we buy gold and the offers are popping up all over the place, so we wondered if we could get the same amount for the same gold from different outfits. we sent the gold to different outfits and the range was shocking. >> reporter: the ads are everywhere. >> cold hard cash. >> reporter: and the offers are so appealing. promising lots of cash for your unwanted jewelry. it's no surprise that selling your gold is very tempting. it was for patricia count. >> i needed some extra cash.

>> reporter: but now she's infuriated. >> i can't believe that i fell for this scam is what i considered it to be. >> reporter: the saga began when patricia saw an ad on tv and packed up the gold jewelry she never wore. >> i came one two necklaces, a pair of e inging and gold charms. >> i got it back in the mail it was for 26 and change dplrz. b. >> >> reporter: in reality, she had no clue of the gold's real value? did she get low balled or was it a fair price? >> mosteople do notnow what their gold is worth. >> we wondered what would happen if we took the same gold and carets and sent it off. the as a results and the vast disparity are -- using a high-tech device to measure just over 21 grams of 14 carat gold.

>> the gold that we lent you is about $450. >> we sent in ten companies mailing in our goldold and waiting to see what offers came back in the mail. since the gold market fluctuates every day, we based our analysis on the day the offer was dated. our best offer w from sell your gold.com, 393.36. if you consider the gold markets value, that's about 9%. we got approximately 87% from gold shop.com. but from there, the offers began to fall. 81%. 55%, 54%, 52%, 33%, then they plummeted, 18% or $76.89 from the well known cash for gold company and 13% from broken gold come, a company that claims to pay top dollar and 10% more than the competitio

but the bottom of the barrel, the very lowest came from hard gold cash come. with claim on their website, we are abt giving you the best price for your gold. their offer $38.25. that's a measly 8%. we repeatedly contacted the montana-based companies phone number listed on their website and goa fax machine. are there places out here that are really taking aantage of the consumer? >> there's no question. >>. >> reporter: many consumers are angry and the grip have spiked. >> in the past year complaints to the better business bureau about gold buying companies have tripled. >> reporter: new york congressman anthony wiener is taking on the operators working on tough new legislation. >> do you believe people are underpaid for what they have? >> think tha too many of these operatorsunction in this area that we just don't have enough information to be smart consumers, so i think we need to have extra protection.

>> reporter: while many people are pleased with the extra cash they get by selling gold, experts say yo should figure out the rough value before you try to sell. >> i always recommend, the first place you should go is a local jeweler that you know. if you don't know any local jewelers, you should go to several in your area. >> reporter: so we gave that a shot too. with a hidden camera, shopping our gold around in person to several local buyers. the amounts we were offered exceeded most of the mail in offers. >> $310. >> $2. >> $300 for that. >> so in our case, shopping around locally made sense. as for patricd trishia, she kno the mistakes she made. >> shop around and see h much the gold is worth before you send it in. >> and if you're not happy with the offer, companies like cash for gold say they will return your items free of charge.

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just drive, we'll get there! adventurruns on dun, with our maple cheddar breakfast sandwich. breakfast just got a whole lot sweer. weather for sure improving through the week here. now we've got a little more sunshine today than we had yesterday, and our temperature is morning a little higher than they were yesterday. we're at 54 degrees right now. in takoma park. 51 in morningside. waldorf at 48. we'll see high temperatures later, 64 to 66 degrees. we may get scattered showers in the afternoon and sunshine tomorrow. jerry? >> for the most part aatter of sunshine. lots of delays because of it.

66. most of the way from manassas on it. tippial outer loop delays. slow in to the sun. joe? >> coming up on nbc 4 this afternoon, ellen getting in on the activities. magic week continues. tune i an

we're back now, 8:00 on a wednesday morning. it's also the sixth day of october, 2010. it's been kind of a dreary week here in new york so far, but you know what? roker, good to prison promise, he told us it would get ner at the end of the week, and it is actually a beautiful morning here in new york, moderate temperatures and bright blue skies. out on the plaza, i'm matt lauer, along with meredith viera. >> this lady just told us i looked great -- >> we are on the air. and coming up, mel gibson's ex speaks ow. >> it's the first time she's opened up about what happed on that night that she claims gibson allegedly hit her. why she recorded their heated phone conversations. 're going to get her side of the conversation next. also there's an interesting

story out there that says that perhaps parents treat their overweight children differently than they treat their children who are not overweight. do they discriminate? do they treat them unfairly? >> that describes why i didn't ve a bed. >> that's wrong. that's just wrong. >> plus another stressful topic for families, getting into college, it's a tough one,hat are the most important activities for your teen to have on his or her transcript. a campus recruiter gives you an insider's guide to the entire process. >> let's go inside, ann continues on assignment. natalee is at the news desk. hamid karzai is condemning a string of suspected taliban bombings this week even as "the washington post" reports that his government and the taliban are holding high level peace talks.

and this morning fuel tankers have -- it was the sixth convoy attac in less than a week. british officials say missile was fired at one of their embassy vehicles in yemen today killing one staff member and several others. the man who -- tuesday's conviction of the first defendant. dr. william petit says he hopes the jury that found hayes guilty of rape and murder will use that same clarity of thought when deciding whether he should be executed. a second defendant facing trial next year. the sludge from a metal refining plant in hungary surged through several small towns on sunday after a waste reservoir burst op.

at least four were killed and 120 injured. thi morning american richard hack and japanese researchers won the nobel prize in chemistry for their work in the development of plastics and new medicines. breast cancer awareness month -- the 130-foot monument was bathed in pink light last night to draw attention tohe breast cancer fight. that's a beautiful look there. and now here's brian williams with a look at what's coming up on nbc "nightly news." >> coming up tonight on nightly news, our popular making a difference series returns with young americans serving as peace corps volunteers in a rough place, war tn sierra leon.

right here we're fairing better than yesterday. sunshine through the area and mercury higher than yesterday. 53 derees, your temperature at takoma park. folks in gaithersburg, 41. 48 right now in manassas. kids will be waiting at the bus stop. your high today, 63 with some scattered showers coming throh. 73 >> and that's your latest weather. coming up next, mel gibson's ex-girlfriend opens up to "people" magazine about their volatile relationship. [ female announcer ] sometimes you need tomorrow

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back at 8::10 with mel gibson's ex-girlfriend speakg out about their custody dispute and their infamous phone conversations. she shared her side of the story with "people" magazine. >> reporter: under the heading i was scared for my life, mel gibson's ex-girlfriend tells "people" magazine for the first time what happened last january when she says gibson was grothing at the mouth and talking to himself just before he became violent. >> she claims that mel gibson terrored her one night, not only hitti her but threatening her with a gun and even choking her. >> reporter: why the change? oksana claims that gson is depressed. he would have killed himself many times if he wasn't

catholic, she says, he's afraid of hell. gibson's attorney didn't talk to . gibson is under investigation for domestic violence, but oksana is under investigation too. gibson allegations oksana tried to extort money from him in exchange for keeping those now infamous tapes of their argument quiet. but she says she only made the tapes to document his threats and nothing more. >> she cims she had nothing to do with leaking those tapes. >> reporter: while admitting she's severely in debt, oksana says i'm standing up to a bully who's very rich and fay caught in the middle of all of this i their daughter who's caught in the middle of a bitter custody dispute. >> she seems to want to have mel gibson in her child's life. she seems to think that he's

potentially a very good father to her daughter and she wants to make sure that she gets the best of him. >> reporter: oksana claims that she's not angry with gibson, in her words, she wants him to be a man and get help for her sake and her daughter's. >> peter castor is "people" magazine's deputy managing edit. "people" spent five hours with oksana in the home she once shared with mel gibson. how would you describe her mental state. >> she was very much exhausted and composed. i think she's just numb to the situation by now. she talked to you about how the relationship began in december of 2007, i guess they met in april of that year, and their rationship started in december of 2007 and for t first two years, relatively okay, she said he was hiding his dark side very well, i was very mu in love with him. so at what point did she s that the relationship began to clearly sour? >> even though he was hiding a

dark side, the episodes of anger were there. and they were erging. but everything changed meredith on january 6 and that's the day that she alleges she went tohe house, he was unhappy with the babysitter, that's when he was frothing at the mouth, contorting his face and as she tried toeave this rage she alleges he punched her twice, once in the head, oncen the mouth. when she grabbed her keyto get out of there, that's when he, she says pulled a gun and started waiving it. >> is that when she says he also struck the child. >> one of the blows hit her on the chin and continued and hit lucia in the chin and it was a slight cut, but nothing serious, says oksana. >> why didn't she -- a lot of people wondered why she didn't call the police at that point. she e-mailed her lawyer and

called her mother, but why dn't she contact the police if she habeen assaulted? >> nothing enrages mel gibson more than humiliation and she feared that if she went to the police and this became a public issue that he would kill her. callinthe police was not the first thing on her mind. >> she claims that he begged her to come back to her and all would be right and then the famous tapes emerged. >> he got on his knees and begged and flowers and said he was in therapy. they have a wonderful valentine's day and fou days later, it happens again, he has a jealousy fit and that's when she alles he threw lucia into oksana's arms and says you better take her because i'm going to hurt her and that's when she realized i have to leave him forever. >> she says she wants mel gibson

to be a part of their daughter's light and she can see forgiving him? >> she's very christian and she believes in forgiveness, she knows that she's going to have is man in her life for the rest of her life so i think h thinking is, i better make the best of this situation. i want to forgive him, i want to get on, he is after all the father of that child. >> she also says that she did not attempt to extort money from him at all. the claims that she's a gold digger, how does she respond to that? >> she says i'm being bullied by a very rich man. she says she'saving a lot of trouble makingndsmeet. she investmently denies that she is a gold digger. >> up next, do parents discriminate against their own overweight children? a revealing new study right after this.

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"today," overweig children, it is an unfortunate natural fafacy times they face discrimination. but the surprising source of some of that harsh treatment could be their own paren. >> mommy, what are you doing? >> it's a new game i invented and you're winning 1-0. >> reporter: being an overweight kid isn't easy, hollywood rarely portrays a pretty picture, but according to new research, art imitates life in an especially cruel way. >> the more overweight a child becomes, the more discriminatory the parents tend to be. >> the findings revealed the more teenagers weigh, the less money parents give them to pay for their cars. >> this sheds a light onhe aspect that society and even

children's own parents can be discriminatorygainst those that are overweight. >> have you ever been discriminate against because of your size. >> absolutely. >> they say discrimination from their peers not their parents is while they enrolled in well ring academy, a boarding school for teen who want to lose weight and change their lives. here healthy eating, calorie conscious cooking and a steady diet o exercise is part of a dailey routine. >> it's really about being healthy and feeling good about myself and comfortable in public. >> i started living aife that i'm proud to live and i have realized that i can set a goal and i can accomplish it. >> i want to be healthy and i want to be proud of myself and of who i am. >> hanna's lost 64 pounds at school in five months and she's done it with the support of her parents. her mom says contrary to the study, some parents overindulge overweight kids. >> do other parents

discriminate? maybe, so maybe the discrimination is not of withholding affection, but discriminating by overreacting, overindulging. >> reporter: most parents agree, the goal for overweight children is the same, having healthy, happyids is all that matters. >> for more of a perspective on this, we turn to psychiatrist dr. janet taylor. i had a problem with this when i read this. and forget my opinion, what do you make of this study and this headline. >> i think the stigma of discrimination, i would say no they did not look at parental attitudes, however it's an opportunity to examine what can happen when you have a child who may be overweight and discounts the resilience and self-control that some kids havehether they're overweight or not.

>> but thiseadline of parents discriminating against their overweight children you're uncomfortable with also? >> i'm uncomfortable with that term discrimination because what i think this points out is that important area of how parents talk to their overweight kids can have long-term repercussions, when they're saying things like maybe you shouldn't be having those french fries. >> parents may b moreritical of their overweight children, but in terms of holding things back like cars and education, that wld be a stretch in yr opinion? >> these are college students, 78% of kids in the study -- the fact that a college student has to pay for their own car, that's not discrimination. >> but the fact that you have other kids in your family, you're correct in your assessment thatou really can't say that it's f my finances that really did this. but it really doesn't take away from the fact that parents don't now how to interact with their

kids. >> if parents sometimes are less than diplomatic in the way they address their overweight children and they can be critical, what's the source of that criticism in your opinion, is it kind of an ill fated attempt at tough love or is it more about the insecurity of the parent? >> the reality is up to 68% of these parents may be obese or overight themselves some of it may be projection, i don't want you to suffer the way i did. but on the other hand it really discounts the strengths that overweight children and adults castill have. just the fact that you're overweight and your obese and your loney and dressed is not really not born out. >> but a lot of kids also, you have the thin parents and heavy parents. t kid themselves, often times they don't say anything, but a parent thinks maybe they're not aware, they'll point this out, maybe you should go outside and move a little more. why don't you go out and play with your siblings, gee, do you need those french fries. and there's a greater drugger as

to what food you have in your house. >> the impact on the overweight child is what when they hear those things but maybe don't see anything about them? >> they remember them for life. people are remembering all the things the parents said to them. do you want to be happy? do you want to have more dates? >> and in society they're going to have stigma and discrimination but at home you ha to have concrete ways to make yourselfeel better, engage in physical activity and support their strengths. >> is ovindulging an overweight chi an example of being har or critical. >> you really want to try to maintain a baseline to have healy independent children. >> good stuff, ladies, tnk you so much for your pe 8:26 is your time now. 56 degrees.

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8:30 now on this wednesday morning, october 6, 2010. out here on the plaza, a great place to spend the day. and just ahead, takinthe stress out of the college application process. what questions should the teenager be asking? we're going to have hear from a college admissions officer. michael isner is here this morning, he's written a new book about partnerships and the power of partnerships and how they can make you more successful. al kind of some lessons in his own 43-year marriage. we'll talk more about that.

also some advice i could have used a little bit before getting this cold. how do avoid cold and flu season, we're goi to tell you five things that you should be doing to stave off a cold. i think one thing you're really going to enjoy. >> is it movinghem out of the house? >> massage. it helps boost the immune system. we're not going to giver it all away. >> but first, let's search for a criminal on the set of the tonight show with jay leno. apparently jay caught the thief red handed. check it out. >> now here's something interesting. we had a lap top stolen, it was stolen out of the green room last week, i thought, that's it, it's gone forer. but my web guys were able to retrieve the last couple of seconds of the webcam video because the camera was on. >> may made me come all the way to burr bank and get this cented soap a you know what i did?

i took a damned lap top. what kind is it in let me take a look. >> oh, it's meredith viera. >> no, mack, you can't have it. >> not only a flirt, a thief as well. >> i was borrowing it, i wasn't stealing it.

well, it's a jacket kind of morning, but at least we have a little more sunshine than we did yesterday, ande'll be warming up to often 63. that's where we were yesterday. but hang on. we've got the 70s coming. temperatures in the 50s throughout the area. 51 in sterling and 50 in mississippi to 53 in town. again, high of 53 with scattered showers and mostly sunny skies thursday. delightful on friday >> that's your latest weather, let's head on down to washington, c. and say hello to uncle willie scott. how are you, my friend? >> i'm lovely and you and i should have a party because, do you know what? >> what. >> i 35 years, we can wish

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this morning on educaon nation today, an inside look at the college admissions process. right now high school seniors are deciding where to apply as college representates fan out across the country to entice students to their campuses. we followed the dean of admission atgrenell college as

he made the rounds. >> how much do you know about grenell? >> part of college is supposed to btesting your limits. >> first stop, bnx high school of science, one of the most prestigious in new york city. >> you'll meet people you've ner met fore. >> grenell is a liberal arts college. why spend te and money moving applicants? >> students from different social yes economic backgrounds is important because that's part of their education. >> a public higschool can 1,400 students, he met with seniors from it's honors program. >> have any of you ever vizowa before? >> for many kids looking at colleges, published ranking and hefty guides are considered so old school. "today" the internet plays a big

part in the college match game. >> students have to sift through much more information, a lot of it raw a unfiltered. i'm available by phone. so it's changed the way we recruit tremendously. >> and admissions officers are on the front line. each with a different question. >> what were most important majors. >> are you affiliated with any specific organizations? >> what are some of the careers? >> for some, the answers can open up new possibilities. >> i was against liberal arts colleges, it wasn't what i actually saw melf doing. >> does grenell sound like the kind of place you can imagine yourself? >> yes. >> we should thankhe department of educatiofor giving us permission to sit in on those meetings. good morning to you both. seth, if i could start with you,

your job is to among other things to convince kids who might not have ever considered grenell to apply there, who might not even know where iowa is on the map. you're a salesman, aren't you? >> i think i open up possibilities for students and help them consider places that they might not otherwise think of. >> and you're trying to mak an impression on th, but you're also sort of targeting those kids that make an impression on you, aren't you? >> this is such a human business and it's so helpful to have a context for kids when we receive their applications. we receive several thousand applications a year, and so it's helpful to have that connection. >> you have been an observer of this process, what should students keep in mind when someone from admission comes to their school? >> there's more than 2,000

four-year colleges in this country so they've got a wide range to choose from, so they have to know that a college like grenell, they've got to keep an open mind, to say that this is one of the options for them. >> and they should ask people like seth important questions, you should ask about popular majors and activities which is what one of the kids in that piece did, why is that so important? >> to the extent you know what you might be interested in you want to make sure that that interest lines up with the school that you're interested in. how many high school seniors really know what they're going to be doing. so they want to know are there lots of places i could move aroundt this particular college. >> they certainly want to ask what percentage of kids receive financial aid, whais the average financial aid award and is it usually a collect scholarship or is it a loan? >> how can seniors gauge the likelihood that they'll get into

one of these schools. >> they want to be careful not to do the admissions officer's job for them. a school like grenell rejects more kids than it accepts. but on the other hand, lethe admissions officer do its work, you can't know possibly what it is they're looking for. >> and most kidsand to -- >> i think it's muc more complicated than most families think. so it does have to do with performance in high school, of course. the kinds of courses students take and how well they do in them. it has to the with standardized testing, to some degree, although it's less of an issue for most colleges than many families think. and it has to do with personality and qualities about a student, what they have engaged in outside of the clasoom, work history, what kind of a voice they show us in their essay. so it's much more complicated than just a set of numbers. >> so in some ways the essay may be the most important thing in

that application, where they're selling themselves essentially. >> and in some ways, because of e grades and standardized testing take such a center stage, most students applying to a place like enell they have what we're looking for, so it's the essays that sets them apart. >> should students send a thank you note? >> how can it hurt, to send an e-mail saying thanks for meeting with me. but don't bombard someone like seth. ask them questions, but don't friend them on facebook. >> but it's okay to contact you. >> in fact i welcome that because i see my job as helping students really have a firm understanding of what grenell can offer them. >> and you have an online course to help students work their way through all of this. self paced to introduce parents and kids to this really complicated process, to show them tt it's manageable, to

show them that it's not as intimidating as you think and they can find that as nytimes.com/knowledge.

this morng on "today's" money, the power or partnership in our highly competitive world, individual success is often the goal. but in business and in life collaboration can lead to the greatest achievement. no one knows that better than the former disney ceo michael isner. hey, michael, welcome back. why did you decide to explore the power of partnerships? what caught your attention. >> i had a great partner at disney before he tragically died in a car accident. i had a good part at abc and i

was talking to warren buffett and i was talking about this idea and he said you should write a book and i just got into it. >> really successful peopl tend to have a strong sense of self, some might say a healthy ego. so is it a great ability for someone with that kind of ego to be able to look and realize, i need a partner? >> i think that people that do it only alone who can't walk past a mirror without looking at themselves, who start believing their own rhetoric tend to get in trouble. and if you have a partner and you understand it, whone you do better, and through a lot of studies that i looked at, you're healthr. having a partner, when things go ba you've got somebody to talk to, when things go well, you high-five with somebody. >> you highlight some very popular or well kno or successful rtnerships, a lot of time one of the people in the

partnership is a name we all recognize, the other is not. is that what makes it successful, that one person takes the front and the other stands behind the scenes? >> sometimes, like warren loves to play music and ben the cover of fortune and his partner who most people haven't heard of, is behind the scenesut love it. valentino has a partner behind is the scenes. >> sometimes it's like ronnie howard the producer and brian grazer the director on all these academy awards films work together long partnerships, spousal partnerships and business partnerships. >> do you have to share a perspective if you're going to be great ptners or is it better if you come from different points of view, in other words the yin and yang? >> some are that and some are the opposite.

but what they all have is they leave their ego against their partner at t door. warren buffett said to me, the seven deadly sins, lust can be fun, but you get in trouble later, gut any, you eat too much. but egg go, you -- >> dow great partners have to like each other or is that not necessary? >> they usually grow to like each other. bad people make bad partners because they usually turn on each other. usuall they like each other but not always great friends. >> ste >> -- they bot ended up going to prison for skimming profits from that company. why did you include them. >> i was so interested in that era. th was the vietn era, it was just the beginning of the birth control pill, preaids, drug had hit the culture and everything nt wild and these two partners were only for one year part of

it and then they went to jail together, same cell and out of jail, solidified their partnership. >> so you're highlighting their partnership post prison as opposed preprison. >> they went to syracuse together, they didn't know each other until they got to syracuse university. but they had this explosion in a culture that was weird, they went to jail, and they got their act together and they created this whole idea. the interesti thing about rtnerships in kindergarten to share. don't spit on your sister, don't put sand on your sister. but we get into high school, we stress being individual e. share, be partners and then later we honor individual achievement and sometimes that individual achievement goes bad. >> i work with a partner, i've got meredith, we have not been sentenced to prin together yet. that could happen. so do we fit any of the criteria

that makes a good partnership? >> you have to get back wit me in 20 or 30 years. because many of the partners i studied. it tk like it's working pretty well as well. >> the book is called "working together." still ahead, five ways to prevent a cold. but first this is "today" on nbc.

i like that idea o partnerships and often times you have heard of one of these people and the other partner is someone who has stayed behind the scenes. and is very happy to be there. >> but i think like this is a nice partnership, the nice ebb and flow. and we do complement each other because sometimes it's steps forward and steps ck. >> you're actually mentioned in the book. when we did the synchronized swimming thing together. >> very nice. >> i crowned and you were on top of the water. >> you were holding me up, though. you were standing on my shoulders. >> are you going to go back in 20 years to check on this?

>> when we come back, some simple fixes for common household hazards. >> but first your local news. 8:55 is your time now. it is 55 degrees out there. a touch warmer, maybe a little snieblt veronica will have your forecast right after the news. good morning. i'm eun yang. it is october 6, 2010.

topping the news, students in d.c. could spend more time in school each day if one council member gets her way. she introduced legislation that would ngthen the school day from30 minutes to seven hours total. it has the shortest day in the region, but extending the school day would st more money, something d.c. has not budgeted for so far. we'll take a quick break and have your weather and traffic when we come 3q

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"today" on a wednesday morning, it's the sixth of october, 2010. we have got a nice crowd outside enjoying better weather than we have seen over the last four or five days, promises to get even better as we head into the weeken coming up in this half hour, "today's" money 911, if you've lost your job, if you're struggling to pay off whatever bills you can manage, this morning we'll have advice on what bills should take priority. that's very important. and we'll also be answering your questio questions. and as we move into the cold and flu season, we all know we need to wash our hands, coffer our mouth and get enough sleep. but coming up, we're going to tell you about the five natural ways to protect yourself from

the common cold that you might not have known about. >> sitting next to me is probably not going to help. mel gibson's ex speakg out to "people" magazine about the bitter custody battle. e endured jealous rag and was scared for her life. gibson's camp denying the allegations. first ann's on assignment, natal natalee's got the news of the morning. in pakistan, another attack aimed at a nato convoy takg supplies to afghistan. gunmen set fire to at least 20 tankers loaded with fuel and killed a driver. "today" the supreme court is hearing arguments in an important first amendment case. the issue before the court is whether it is protected speech when protesters show aunt the funerals of u.s. service members killed in the line of duty.

it pits the rights of a father to the right 60s a protester to say what they want. stephen hayes was convicts tuesday in the home invasion. the lone survivor says there is some relief but adds his family is still gone. a sludge reservoir gave way in an industrial plant. the skeleton of a dinosaur that roamed the earth some 140 million years a was auctioned tuesday in paris for $1.8 million. the buyer is anonymous european who apparently h to have a very large homes. and prince charles showed off some of his dance moves in india. villagers performed some traditional dancers with him and he joined in.

>> i have never seen matt lauer dance. >>ot with an umbrella on my head like that. it wouldn' mostly cloudy skies right now with temperatures that range between # 51 and 54 degrees a light southwesterly wind so it feel as little bannter than it did yesterday. cleveland rk at 54 degrees. so with the light southwesterly wind we'll get up to a high of 64 degrees, still well below the average. we'll get some showers today, and th a little bit of a weather change for us or pattern change. 73 tomorrow. mid-70s through the weekend.

>> time for "today's" money 911 where we answer some of your most pressing financial concerns, from digging out of debt if you have lost your job to getting college loans. we have got jean chatzky. and carmen wong. let's get started. we have patricia right now, she's jning us via skype from california. good morning, patricia. . >> good morning. my question is i'm finally in a position where i can finally pay

off my debt. i have federal and private studentloans, credit card debt, department store cards, a prepossessed ca and i'm wondering what affects my credit the most. >> what are we talking the most all tote until. and patricia, you're late on l of these things. >> i'm definitely late on a of these things. >> where should she s.t.a.r.t.? >> the thinghat could actually affect your life are those student loans because student loan lenders have the ability to garnish your wages. so before you go and start paying money to all of these lenders, i would make some phone calls and talk to your creditors and see if you can cut deals to lowe the amount tt you can actually owe themover call. because you're -- pick up the phone, see if you can negotiate. this is what debt settlement companies do, but you can certainly do it for yourself and it may save you a lot of money

over the long-term. and you shouldinally also know that these things are not going to come off your credit report immediately, it's going to take seven years for them to roll off,lthough your credit score will get better in the next couple of years as long as you start paying. >> good luck, patricia, thank you for calling. we got an e-mail from anonymous viewer. my husband and i are buried under at least 30,000 in credit rd debt. last january we decided to stop using the cards and pay them off. we are making payments every month th are as much over the minimum payment as we can manage. would it be foolish to use our home equity to pay off your debt? this massive credit card debt is crushing them. how do they get a handle on this? >> the key question is should in my opinion absolutely not. if i was going to sit here and say five financial principles in

life one of them would be do not pull equity out to pay off your credit cards. they dona't change their snding habits. what should shea do? they should go and negotiate with their credit card companies to lowerhe interest rates. >>t's very hard to do that directly so. what they should investigate is what's called a debt management plan, they need t go speak with a nonprofi credit counseling group. they can reach out to an organization like nfcc.org. at organization will refer them to a nonprofit consumer credit counselor. they can get their rates lowered to below 10%. all their paymen, even though they're making a little bit extra, it's all going to interest. that's why they're not seeing the debt rlly decrease each month. >>t's an important distinction between what david was saying and what i was saying, when you're already late, theyill

negotiate with you, when you're not late as this anonymous letter writer is and that's when a debt management program can actually step in and help because he credit rating -- >> you're in better ape. >> i you're not late because your credit rating is not shot. >> this is from wayne in wilmington, north carolina, he writes recently both of my parents passed away due to hard attacks six weeks apart. they purchased their burial plots ma years ago but their caskets and services were a staggering $8,800 each. are funeral costs negotiatable? >> you did a good thing by writing in and putting some attention on this. ye a lot of funeral costs are negotiable. go to ftc.gov and put in the search bar funeral. they have a fantastic consumer guy that shows you all the rights, all the different things you can do, for example you don't have to buy the casket from a funer home.

you can buy a casket from costco. so you can save money there, if you don't have an open casket, you don't have to embalm. that's another $1,000 there. you can also have a funeral in your home. and of course you cou be like more than 40% of americans say go with cremation which is a 10th of the cost of a full funeral. >> allie, good morning, what's your question. >> good morning, thank you for taking my phone call. i'm currently unemployed and looking to go back to college. but i can't get fafsa to help me out because i'm in default. what are my options? >> my student loans. >> you can't borrow whenyou're already defaulted on your student loans, you can't get other federal loans what, you have to do is figure out some way to make six months of consecutive payments on the loans you already have, and then you'll be able to go ahead and borrow some more. all right, guys, thank you so

much. appreciate it. je jean. if you have urgent money matters and need answers right now, david bach is going to be sticking around for the next hour to give you advice live todayshow.com. there you go. log on to todayshow.com. and coming up next, five ways to ep the common cold at bay, and later, oksana speaks out for the first time about her volatile relationship with mel gibson, we'll find out what she had to say but first these messages. ♪ [ male announcer ] every day thousands of people are switching from tylenol to advil. to learn more go to takeadvil.com. the first 500,000 people get a free bottle of advil. take action. take advil.

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women typically have stronger immune systems than men but still get hit with an average of three colds per year. but there are ways to build up your natural defenses. an internist and contributor women's heal magazine. >> could have used this advice a few days ago before i got this cold, but at least it's one of my three of the ason. but what are some natural ways that you can stave off a cold? >> we looked a the study that you mentioned that women have stronger immune systems yet they still get three colds per year, and yet it's well known that washing your hands or using hand sanitizers are a great first line of defense. we at women's wealth decided to explore other options to build your defenses. >> one of the things you recommend adding to your daily diet is a probiotic. >> it does help fend of a cold

and flu. it ineases the anti-bodes and third it increases you're your t cell count which is the white blood cells that ght infection. and they're very safe, they're found in foods like yoga. i would recommend that you eat a yogurt a day or take culturle daily. >> you can just do one tablet a day of the culturelle or one yogurt a day is sufficient. >> boost your vitamin d levels. we always hear about vitamin c being a good cold fighter, but why vitamin d? >> vitamin d is most commonly known for protecting your bones.

it produces a substance known to fight viruses. people that were deficient in vitamin d actually got respiratory infections 36% mor of the time than peopl who were low and people who had ample levels actually got better more quickly. >> and vitamin d is actually better wn we're exposing ourselves to sunlight. what are some other ways? food you can get your vitamin d in food as well. >> in supments and dairy products. but what i recommend especially in winter months when it's not as sunny, to take a supplement of vitamin d, 000 units a day is the recommended daily allowance. especially in the winter, everyone should take that once a day. >> get a massage. that's a tip we all need every

now and again. >> absolutely. >> this helps not only make us kneel better now, but it helps boost your immune system, is that light? >> generally when people are stressed they release a hormone called cortisol. and cortisol weakens our immune system. so go for it, get a massage, but if it is -- someeople it's a little costly, it is time consuming, so another option for you, you can get one of those foam rollers and put it under your muscles and roll up and down on it. that has the same affect. >> does your body good. you're worth it. go for it. we also hear orange juice is good for you, but another beverage you should be drinking more of is greentea. >> switch your latte with green tea. it's loaded to anti-oxants, it's been found to increase your t

cell count just like we talked about with the probiotics. these are the white cells that fight infection. >> and also lastly you say socialize with your friends, so how does face time or clocking in with your friends actlly help you feel better overall? >> people with a wide diverse social network tend to get colds less frequently. it was found that people that were socially isolated and lonely actually are more prone to getting sick. and it's also thought to be due to this stress hormone cortisol that we talked about with massages, cortisol is found to be higher in pple who are lonely and that weakens their immune system, go out there, talk to people, be socially engaging and you'll lower your stress levels and hopefully get sick less often. >> just don't shake too many hands or use purelle. coming up next, mel gibson's

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over the past few mons a volatile relationship between mel gibson an his ex-girlfriend has played out like a hollywood drama with questions over who real released those infamous phone conversations to the public. >> oksana is speaking out telling her side of the story in an elusive interview with

"people" magazine. she tells people she was scared for her life and denies leaking those recoings. >> there's two incidents that she talks about the one on january 6 where mel allegedly punched oksana and apparently grazed the chin of the baby as well. and on october 18, when all those angry phone call messages were recorded. >> at one point she says that mel grabbed the baby and said take her or else i may hurt her. which is really, you know, obviously, we don'tnow his side of the story here because he's denied that this actually took place. >> and when we hear those tapes that she says she didn't leak, where did they come from? >> she says her sister didn't leak them because she said her sister did have them but deleted them. some had to leak them.

>> most people think was he drunk or whatever a she says in her interview she has never se him drunk. >> and we all know he has a history of that and has very much an addictive personality. it's just real sad. i think most telling is that at the end, she said for the sake of lucia i -- maybe god will forgive him. maybe his daughter will forgive him, maybe we'll all forgive him. unds like she wants to forgive him and includeim still in her life in some way. >> hopefully this will all work out because at the end of the day, there's a child volved. we have a lot more to come on "today" but fist your local news and your weather. for 25,000 miles. it was always... [ laughing ] that seat's not happening without a big miles upcharge. a miles upcharge wasn't part of theeal. was i supposed to go without my wife? [ elevator bell dings ] [ grunting ] haha, that was awkward. so we upgraded to the venture card from capital one.

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deghtful weather. welcome back, everyone. outside we've got mostly cloudy skies. sunshine breaking through. at least our temperatures are a little higher than they were yesterday. the southwest wind, we're running in the 50s. district at 54. quantico at 52. your high today, 60 to 64 degrees with a shower passing and sunshine, loads of it, tomorrow. jerry? not so delightful, sorry to say, on the beltway. still loaded up both ways in silver spring. on 395 in west virginia, very heavy. as you head to and across the 14th street bridge, all lanes currently open. eun? >> jerry, thank you. coming up on nbc 4 ellen gting

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from falls to fires and poisonings, nearly 20 million americans seek medical attention from injuries they suffer at home. but these home hazards are preventable by making some simple changes. lauren, good morning. you say there are three major hazards in your home. what are they? >> fires, falls and accidental drug poisonings. >> and they could be generally prevented these hazards with some minor adjustments in the home and not a lot of expense? >> it's very easy to do to make sure that you and your family stay safe. >> let's talk first about home fires and burns. and one thing you've got to do is make sure that your smoke alarms worand they're up to date. >> you want to test them once a month, replace t batries once a year. what's really surprising is that you should replace the system entirely every ten years. and these newest models are wireless and interconnected.

>> why is that so important? >> when one goes off they all go off. that's especially important in multi-story homes. >> if the fire is starti in the basement, you're not even aware it. >> when you're worried about being a heavy sleeper, you may not wake up. you have bedrooms on different floors, this will make sure you hear it no matter what? >> and these are carbon monoxide detectors as well? >> that's right. >> and candles that look so beautiful and romantic, but you say it's a real hazard in the home. >> cdles cause over 15,000 home fires every year which is not a small number a great alternative is these battery operated flameless candles. they look great and they're not expensive and you don't have to worry about running out of the room for a sond or kids or dogs. >>ot quite as romantic, but they'll work. >> especially in a

jack-o-lantern. >> especially for people as you get older too, major concerns for them. >> people of all ages experience falls, more than 1 million over age 25 every year. >> i have actually done this, where you're carrying the launy up or down the stairs and you kind of slip and fall. so one of the things to do is you want a gd hamper, a good laundry basket. >> downsizing your laundry basket. you want to make sure that you're not carrying this huge basket. if you can't see your feet, it's more of a recipe for disaster when you're going up and down stairs. >> if you can't see your feet, great. another ing is ladders. ladders are a huge problem. a lot of people have accidents on ladders. so what are the right ways to really get on a ladder and make su that, whether you're unscrewing a light bulb or whatever you're not going to injure yourself.

>> you never want to use the top two wrungs of the ladder. if you find yourself wanting to get up here, you need a taller ladder or a taller person. you need two feet and one hand to make sure that you're as balanced as possible. >> okay, medication errors, serious issue for a lot of people as well. so how can we make sure that people are taking their medication the right way? >> accidental drug poisonings send 2,000 people to the emergency room every day, so this is not a small issue. the first thing you want to do is you want to do this tonight, whether they're prescription, over the counter, supplements, vid minutes. you want to check and make sure that these drugs are not interacting. >> and you also say you can call your poison control center if

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it's an age old argument, who a the greatest baseball players of all time? an award winning sportscaster wants to end that debate. >> it's called the 25 greatest baseball players of all time. len is here to tell us whoade the roster. you didn't personally pk because you had a hard time narrowing down your choices. >> i did, i scribbled out all the famous nam and i was well north of 30. i said okay, punt, can you do that in baseball? bunt. so i sacrificed. i came up with a blue ribbon panel. i have journalists, former players, front office workers and they voted. so blame them.

>> d you agree with most? >> well the two that just -- first i was surprised that yogi berra didn't take it. >> that's what's more interesting who didn't make it, sandy koufax. >> do you have to tell everyone? don't buy the book because clemente is not in here. you go around promoting your book and i spend most of the time defending what's not in the book. and koufax, that story, the nel felt he just didn't have a long enough career. >> you didn't rank the players, but you would you consider babe ruth the best of all time. >> he had his first world series start in 1916. the lastest completgame in world series history. >> speaking of that, the only active player to make your 25 is

alex rodriguez. >> controversial. >> very controversial. >> how do explain to kids in the book that he did admit to taking performance-enhancing drugs and people thought he eated. i think the panel felt that his talents rose to the level that it didn't matter what he did. th penalized people like barry bonds because thfor taking ster. >> pete rose, he's not in the hall of fame, not at cooperstown, but he's in your bo. i agree with that one, i have always been a pete rose fan. nobody's gotten more hits than he. i'm sure there are a lot of bad guys in the halls of fame all over the place. i leave the moral judgments for the higher authority. >> you have a perm favorite, mickey mantle? >> the mick. >> i got to know his family and i still talk to his son.

i later read that he only answered fan mail from young women. i have no idea why. so i said to the mick, you answered my autograph request. he says, yeah you must write like a girl. my hero. mickey mantle. >> how many of e other top 25 have you met? >> i have met 13. i would love to meet stan musial. i have met 13, but that's amazing. i have met some in the pt like joe dimaggio. >> in the meantime you guys have set up a great website which is entertaining and an online colle. >> i send out a free daily e-mail. i all it len's t five. >> it's that easy, that's sports.com. i mix in a few spanning world highlights. so i had fun with it. >> what you're also now having fun with, you're now a grandd?

>> thank you very much. a shout out to eli. >> he was one week old and he got an autographed picture from eli manning. >> eli to eli. >> it's fun stuff and i hope he likes the book. >> this great, by the way for all ages, right? >> especially for kids, if you want to learn about the history of baseball. the 25 greatest baseball players of all time. coming up next, in "today's" kitchen, a hot chef [ female announcer ] this is wendy. wendy is a big fan of aetna mobile.

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what was the inpicture ration for this? >> my new bk is really about twisting clascs. i'm all about twisting classics, reallyaking them something that's healthy, you know, quicker, easier. but also -- >> and this is a little more economical. >> a little bit more budget friendly, but also looking , you know, what is is it, we're getting into the fall, we're starting to cool down, we got to warm up some with these dishes and this is all about comfort food. >> you' using chicken thighs here. >> i'm using chicken thighs. everybody goes straight for the chicken breast, again they're budget friendly and there's a lot of flavor. you dice them up into small bite sized pieces. you cook it up, brown it really nicely a then take a mosala. deglaze it. get all this really good stuff off the bottom of the pan is

what deglazing is, and then adding in some chicken stock. add in some chicken stock, let that reduce, and then i whisk in a little bit of dejohn miscard there. a little acid flavor, a little bit of braun aniness. and fresh teragon. so then you move down, and what i do is i take everything out of the pan, i've got the chicken here, let my sauce start reducing, so you get this nice syrupy texture to it. then i'm going to add in a light sour cream. you can use light sour cream, and i know you like to eat healthy. >> i like to e unhealthy, too. but if you can alternate them. there's nothing wrong with that. now you've got a nice creamy sauce.

>> a nice camy sauce and i'm going to add my chicken and my shallots too. you want those pan juices in there. you simmer five, ten minutes and you're ready to go. you can serve it on rice or brown rice if you want to get even healthier, but i like the classic egg noodle. there's noing like serving it on the egg noodle. >> you should have a spoon that has a ttom on it. >> there you go, you help me out there. perfect. that's amazing. >> tt looks like perfect food for a cold, right? >> it is. >> it's like chicken noodle soup without the soup. >> you put mushrooms in your stganoff. >> it is classic to have a little mushroom in your stroganoff, but this one i added a little lightness. >> you just want that sauce.

al's all about the sauce. good thing i used light sour cream. >> very good. and this is fantastic, again, fall is coming around and it's all about comfort foods, all about yummy dishes, but we also don't want to hibernate and bulk up. >> coming up, oscar winner here ahere -- [ music throughout ] [ male announcer ] looking for a complete picture of your money?

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good moning, everyone. it's 9:56 on this wednesday, october 6th. i'm barbara harrison. in the news two police agencies are trying to determi if theye looking for a serial burglar. so far there have been more than 96 break-ins. policeay the burglar scales

homes overnight and gets through unlock doors and also unlocked vehicles. the woodrow wilson bridge will be waved tonight at 10:00 to let a large brish vessel through. it makes its way back under the bridge tomorrow night at 10:00. let's check our weather. veronica, good morning. >> good morning. he we're warming up a bit, despite all that stuff out there. >> a lot of clouds. >> a lot of clouds. >> i think it's pretty. >> kind of a good snapshot photo there hind us. temperatures are warming up. 57 in the district. falls church at 51 and 46 in alexandria. we'll have some passing showers for the afternoon, and then some sunshine for tomorrow. breezy sunshine, but we'll take it. 75 your high on friday. 76 on saturday and sunday. jerry? a look at 395 orthbound. lanes are open. on the beltway north of town

there had been a broken down car on the inner loopf the beltway in georgia. cleared but still backed up. barbara? >> thank you. ellen getting

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and hoda kotb. live from studio 1a in rockefeller plaza. hello, everybody. it is wine day. u made it halfway flew the work week. hoda, you look gorgeous today. >> s do you. >> you have the new dress and new earrings. what's going on? >> it's wines day, and we have a special glass of wine for both of us. this is particular my from alma mater virginia tech. >> i didn't know they had a vineyard. >> naethat's just mean. >> it's called the hokey bird white wine. >> skii asked you what a hokey . >> a hokey is -- i hope i'm right. it's a castrated turkey. >> that is your school mascot? >> yes, it is, okay? >> out of all the thgs to pick -- >> everybody has their o -- >> the turkey alone is bad enough, but a castrated one?

you just got to love them. >> let's see if we like it. >> it's not bad for a castrated turkey. >> 12 bucks a bottle. >> the price is certainly right. >> it's delicious. >>we'll contribute to the scharship fund. we have to talk about lisa, first. >> we made news yesterday. we didn't make news. >> we jt show up. >> lisa rinna and harry hamlin showed up. they sat down and as we were about to start the interview harry's phone rank -- >> it was a confirmation a robbery had taken place in their story. >> turned out $10,000 worth of stuff was stolen from their store. >> you had o sip. how bad can it be? >> it all unfolded on our show, which seemed interesting. >> our clothing store is being

robbed as we speak. >> what? in the valley? >> you're not kidding -- >> i'm getting the call right now, whicis go to tell me what's going on. >> let's tell everyone on tv land. >> is it the first one. >> the store is being robbed. >> it is seriously being robbed? >> it's 7:15 in l.a. and someone is robbing the store. >> what did they say? >> yeah, that happened yesterday. never a dull moment. it was bizarre. >> well the interesting thing is it got traction on all these different shows. it's funny because that happened here. i thought oh, that happened. opened up the paper this morning, and it was on page 6. it was on all the shows last night. >> the minute we left doing o show i went downstairs, and there it was with billy bush and that darling kit. i like her. >> she's adorab. >> that was their lead story,

too. you're saying it it just made news. >> it made big news, but that's what happens on our show. >> it waa robbery and it was terrible, but nobody was hurt. it's not a huge deal, right? >> i was surprised all that happened on our show right there. >> we've had weirder things. remember when gene simmons' mother called him? any bring their cellhones with them and think they turned them off. we're going to cover that today. there's something at the "post" today about how technology i taking over every aspect of our lives now. not always in a wonderful way. >> if you've been on a date with a friend, whatever, at a estaurant, and the person lays out their cell phone or blackberry as if it's a third party at the table -- >> it's the uninvited guest. they're inviting them. >> when the phone rings, it's so weird. i find this odd. the blackberry takes precedence to the prson sitting, always. that ppens not only when

you're eating, but when we've all waited in a long line and you get your turn at the counter to buy clothes or food or whatever, and the phone rings at the counter. the person at the counter tells you you waia minute, let me get this call. they te the call, you're standing there and get frustrated because you're thinking i could have called, but ihowed up. i want to be helped next. i think it's weird how the phone, blackberry, and that you will stuff -- you don't pick up your phone. you rarely do when we have dinner. >> i sometimes forget to turn it off, which is always embarrassing. like today, cassidy is homesick. i got my phone on and i d it on yesterday and i had to leave a lovely babyhower yesterday because there's something called priorities in life and nothing is more important to me than my ki. >> it's interesting to watch a couple sitting at table and each one is there on the phone or on the blackberry. >> yeah, yeah. open relationsp. >> yeah, who kno. i have a very dear friend, but

it really did put a lot of pressure on our relationship. we tried for a year to get together, a year to get togeer. we finally were able to because we travel light, and we are sitting there and she was on her blkberry the entire time. i just thought i didn't wait year to sit and watch you talk to somebody else. >> when we're on the show together and i've learned this, you have to be here, present on the show. or not thinking about something else. when you're on your phone call, you should be on the phon call. when you're at an event, you should be at the event. the worst thing in the world is being somewhere, but your mind being somewhere else. >> people don't realize ho ud the speaking, how loudly they're speaking. >> they're so annoying. walking down the street -- >> becau i said so! >> you hear so many arguments, yelling and screaming. this is the other thing cell phones have done. this is also in the paper. it makes it so people show up to

things later because they can call or text and say hey, five more minutes. i'm sorry. ion running late. they get later and later. >> there's a wonderful new show on broad way called did the lombardi. every time in our life is it's lombardi time. that's you're ten minutes early or yore late. it's not a bad way -- it does leave a little wiggle room in case something happens. i had a friend years ago that would show up le every single week. my daddy said you leave her once, she'll never be late again. we left without her one time, and she was never late again. >> we're both freakishly early. when the party starts at 6:00, we're there at 6:00. >> it's ru. you're saying you're more important than somebody else. if you're consistently late you're saying my plif and choices are more important than you. >> i had a friend i met for

lunch and she said she was 15 minutes late. she said there was a problem with the subway. we metaphor a dinner and she was 35 minutes later and she said it was thetraffic. a third time it was another thing and anotherthing. i did something i don't usually do. usually i don't speak up unless it's really offensive. in this case i said this isn't a great thing, and i don't know you that well. imagine the people really in your life who are important. >> again, being honestith one another always in any relationsh is the most important thing, and that leads us to this. this was unbelievable. >> what? >> there was this husband and wife, and i -- frank showed me this, and i love ittd it. this is something he showed me. it's like a joke. we went to the county farm shows, and one of the first exhibits we stopped at was the breeding bulls. the sign attached said this bull mated 50 times last year.

my wife playfully nudged me and said he mated 50 times last year, that's almostnce a week. the second pen said this bull made it 150 times last year. my wife gave me a healthy jab and said that's moerp twice a week. you can learn a lot from him. we walked to the third pen and it had a sign that said in capital letters this bull mated 365 times last year. my wife was so excited that she nearly broke my elbow and ribs and said that's once a day. you could really learn something from this one. i looked at her and said go over and ask him if it was with the same old cow. i don't remember what happened later, and we couldn't show it because it's a pictures of a guy who is beatento a pulp. they say i will recor eventually. >> that was a good one. we can send them around on e-mail. >> some of them are so dirtyou can't, but that was cute.

>> i like that one. i hate when people forward me things not like that one, becse that's funny, but ones that aren't funny and clog up your mailbox or please forward it to ten people or -- i hate that. because you feel lke if you don't forward it -- >> if you break the chain, you're going to die. >> it's terrible and frightening. i don't like getting that stuff. did you watch dancing with the stars" last snit. >> no, i was watching "glee." >> those are huge notes. margaret cho got voted off. >> she's a standup comian. very funny. it's between her and bristol. >> that means they were scoring the lowest. it could have been either one of them. >> the real highlight was tha michael bolten came back to the show after his little skirmish with one of the judges. >> he couldn't perform so he nicely stepped in.

>> let's listen to him sing. [ ♪ hallelujah ♪ hallelujah >> beautiful voice. i'm sorry. i don't care. i lik it. >> then our friend to bergeron thanked him by saying michael's tour resumes tomorrow night in altoona, iowa. not that there's anything wrong with altoona, iowa. >> that's where his tour resumed. >> that hurt his feelings again. >> here's what ithink. i think michael bolten was like you plug my tour because i'm coming on your show to sing. altoona, iowa, happened to be the next -- >> i've heard of altoona, pennsylvania. >> i've heard of altoona, michigan. is there? i think there is. there is. so you watched another show. >> i watched "glee." i was nervous to watch it.

i heard in the papers it was going to be what out sacred and knowing his take auto things, i was hoping it wasn't going to be bad to people of the christian faith. it seems like that's the one area wheret's fine to bash christians and i think it's unfair. it's totally wrong and we should no condone it. it started after right aay doing that. i went oh, no. i hope ints an hour of that. it was not an hour of that at all. it was very, very thoughtfully done and the performances were amazing and what you came away with at thvery end, if you choose not to believe in god, believe in something in this life. >> i want to hear some of the music they sang. >> kurt, the gay student in the glee club, his father just had a heart attack and is in a coma. he sings this great beatles sg for him.

♪ you let me be your man >> beautiful. beautiful. >> obviously, that was a love song originally, but whether somebody takes the lyrics and applies it to a different context, it's moving. lea did an amaze be papa can you hear me from len tell. this young girl sang bridge over troubled water and it was amazing. ♪ you're like a bridge over troubled waters ♪ >> i could listen all day long to that. >> this show has really touched a ner, and i'm thrilled with it because it introducing kids to a whole new world of musical

theater, which you know is my passion anyway. >> beautiful. >> i want to give a shout-out. last year i told you about this shaum. it's called the hoda shawl. ion't sew or knit or whatever. another woman named hoda does. i went to my mom at the library of congress. she does the shawl by hand, on her website, everything crafts, she had to stop working. she had to go home and knit. she's been knitting for year. this ia little shawl that she does. >> i love the buttons she uses. they come in different colors. >> a portion of the proceeds go to breast cancer. >> it's cozy and adorable. >> you can go to shawlsbyhoda.com. very cozy. >> hello, miss sarah. >> nathere's a lot of discussio about hokies.

we may have to look into that. >> i'm going to be in trouble. >> you may be wrong, but the other thing so you never forget altoona, iowa is where my mom's water broke whether she was hang me. she was under the bridge. >> it should be famous for that. you never forget where your water breaks. let me tell you. coming up next mira sorvino is here. >> she's in such a moving film. i watched it the other night. it's so powerful. we'll be back right after this. meet connor, he's got the need for speed. yeah!

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imagine giving birth to a child putting him up for adoption and six years later fighting to get him back from the only family he's known. that's the story of dandelion dust. mira plays wendy, the biological mother of joey. >> you just close your eyes, make a wish, and then you blow. >> why do you blow on it? >> because there's a wish inside here, and when you blow on it, that wish gets se free. >> i loved this movie. here's why i love this movie so much. i don't know if you had a chance to see it, hoda. it presents two sides to the same question. as much as you are ripped to shredthis child might be taken away from thenly family it's known, you sympathize with the

couple, you and your husband who want your own biological child back and have a chance at it because of some snafu with the law, right? i can see what attracted you to the role. > you had a choice of roles, the biological mothe or adoptive. why did you choose the ological? >> because it was more of a challenge to me. in the beginng of the story wendy is a victim. she's been in aan abusive relationship, her husband played by barry pepper at the very beginning of the movie he broke r arm and she's sent to jail for it. she finds she's pregnant while he's put way. the only thing she els she c do to protect him is give him up. in the story when she's given the second chance to get to know her son, it's like a miracle for her. it's a redemocraticive thing. she's weak for herself to be strong for somebody else. although it's a painful journey for her, she ends up with all the power.

as a mother originally i related on the adoptive mother. somebody is going toake my child, what do i have to do to keep my child, i'll fight to the death. this woman is a more broken-winged bird i'm playing but has a beautiful soul. pele are very moved by this movie. everyone who sees it can't help but be moved. >> my daughter and i washed it together. it's like "sophie's choice." is it getting the attention it deserves? that little boy that plays joey, unbelievable. you want to eat him alive he's so adorable. >> he's on "brothers and siste and dennis the menace. he's terric. >> how old is he? >> he's probably now about 7. the film got a ton of awards in stival, best picture, audience favorite, best actor, best actress, best screenplay. everyonit got amazing awards and got good reviews. it's a grassroots movie. it's word of mouth.

you can vote for it to come to your mouth. you can go to the websitend say i want this in myrie john, and if enough people want to see it, it will come there. >> there was no big distributor ight now for it? >> it's selfistributed. ithas distribution. it is across the country, but it will grow by people actually asking for it, which is kind of amazing. >> the american way. let the people decide. >> we have 30 seconds. you wanted to talk about your dad and his -- tell us about it. >> dad has admitted publicly that he has type 2 diabetes and we're partnering in something called diabetes co-star it's an awareness campaign to teach people how to take chrome of their blood sugars. i witnessed my dad go through a very scary moment where he almost fainted in front me and turned purple and smped and i didn't know what was happening. i knew nothing about it and didn't know how to help him. this is designed to teach people living with someone with diabetes how to help that person

stick to their diet plan, to work with their doctor on treatment. a support team makes all the difference between someone staying healthy and controlling the blood sugar or going off that path anhaving bad consequences. >> you're doing great work. all the best of the luck. still to come, she turned outo be one of america's most talented entertainers. now beyonce's mom wants to make sure you ro. >> she does. there's a lot going on with my mom after this. yers biscuits? the warm, light delicate layers are like noing else. add a layerf excitement to your next meal. ♪ to bng the family together on sunday mornings than with the warmth and aroma of freshly baked pillsbury cinnamon rolls. [ wink! ] [ wink! ] ♪

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season, we'dalk about the effects some of the styles have on body image. >> skinny jeans may look hot on the runway, but it's quite a differnt story in your dressing room. here with help is fashion designer tina knowles and leslie goldman. >> hi, ladies. ths is fun fov beyonce's mom with us today. >> we love being with her with her last fragrance came t. you can tell her anytime. >> less see, body image affects all of us. we see magazines and look at ourselves in the mirror and say we don't quite measure up, right? >> when it comes to shopping, we've all had the experience of leaving a clothing store feeling frustted and angry, whether we're tall and the pants are not long enough and we have a big economist and the button won't but fon. for plus-size women this is a 24/7 experience. you can't find cute, trendy clothing in a up mainstream store that flatters your body and you feel depressed about how you look and resentful.

research bears this out. >> you made your own clothes and made a line of xloetin for women we're talking about. >> they go from 0 to 20. >> 0 to 20. >> we'll try. we're going to bring out the first model, cody. tell us about this look, tina. >> that is adorable. >> this look is a nice cotton poplin shirt and it has the ties on the side that adjust. a nice pencil skirt if you turn around. >> i love that. that is so cute. >> this has stretch in it, to. everything has stretch in you can ve in and be comfortable. >> beautiful. all right, cody. thank you. it's affordable stuff. >> very affordable. that's amazing. the whole outfit for $30. >> we have dominick and chasity.

>> you can tell the different body types. >> this is all different body types. she has it on and it's a modern dress that's very forgiving because it has draping and beautiful fabric and looks amazing oboth girls and they're totally different sizes. >> usually a dress works on just certain body types. >> we fit it on every size model. >> thanks. >> they are changing the runways more, aren't they? so they adjust to women of different sizes right? >> yes. more and more companies are coming out and honoring these women and recognizing we're not one shape. it's very validating. there's other jeans, pjs by cookie johnson, miss tina that are validating women that they deserve beautiful clothing. >> tell us about these different looks. >> they both look great. these are the skinny leg jeans.

the misconception that when they're past 12 and 14 they can't wear skin legs. it's just the contrary. they make it look longer and leaner because they're slim. clean jeans with not a lot of embellishment is better. this is the ruffle sweater. >> it's so cute. >> an easy throw-on for travel and it looks good with a belt. >> tell us about the cost of these? >> the cost of these items is $18. $18 for the jeans and $18 for -- >> they are? >> it's available at walmart. >> everything is under $20 other than two items. >> this is inne. let's bring out the last model. hi, sarah. we have sarah. is there another one? ere you are. >> oh, no.

>> okay. >> you got to know people, right? >> you rock it beyonce. she still does what her mother tells her to do. >> come on over here. come here! great to see you. >> you are awesome! this is such a great surprise. >> i didn't want to. i said mama i'll do anything for you. >> she's my biggest supporter. i was very excited to do this for her. >> when we were talking to you, you gloso much about your mom. you talk about her nonstop. we love that. >> i love my mom. >> what is the single most important thing she said to you growing up that you'll take with you the rest of your life. >> definitely that beauty fades and you have to be beautiful from withi finitely. >> absolutely. she's been making clothes since you were a little girl, making them for you. >> yes. >> did you always like what she makes? >> always like it.

i always loved i e's so talented, and i'm so happy everyone can see she has her own line, and she's definitely always thinkingbout everyone and she believes that everyone deserves to look fabulous. so i think it's great that the price point is there. >> rememr when designers first came out with darling things for maternity wear? it was the same thing. you can look adorable and se when you have more pounds on you. this is t same concept. >> tina, beyonce is on the go nonstop. we see her in a drive-by. she does an inrview and see her on stage. >> one time a year she gets a nice yac. >> do you worry about the pace. she's going 100 miles per hour. >> i worry about the pa, but she's young and she has a plan. i have to support that. >> has she always been like that since she was a ltle girl? >> very driven, yes. loving it and being passionate about it. >> a lot of parents probably have a talented daughter and

they want to nudge them alo. >> no, i didn't push her, but we supported her. >> a child has to want it. it has to be their dream not yours. >> i was the one saying go to the party and have fun. >> you didn't want to go? >> i loved music. now i'm trying to take a break, and you kow i can't help it. i just have to go into the studio. >> one last thing you haven't done is got that oscar,right? >> no. ot yet. >> i thought cadillac was pretty amazed. >> we led it. >> you're hitting a home run. >> we didn't mean to leave you outver there. >> beyonce just dropped in, you know. >> we wish you all the best with the clothing line. what's going on. >> come on in. >> i have a gift for you guys.

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this is a new batch of must-see tv shows on the air. today we'll focus on the famous tv pilots. kathie lee is across the street ready to hand out 1$1 to those that answer the questions correctly and to those who don't, you know the rest. this is the managing editor of entertainment weekly magazine. we love you here. no crowd before you were here. huge crowd now. >> they're here for me. i have such a lame segment. >> let's go across the street to kath. >> where are u from? >> muscatine, ohio. >> manhattan. >> check out a clip from this classic sitcom. >> you go and have do make your own -- >> you don't. >> you smash it, you pound it, you fling it up in the air, and then you put your sauce and you

get to sprinkle your cheese and then, you slide it it into the oven. >> all righty. it's in the pilot for seinfeld. what was cramer's original nickname. red,kessler, kenny or bart. >> even kessler. >> even though you got it, i'm giving you this. you really really need to have thesecds, okay, for your babies. here you go. >> isn't that sweet. essler, never heard of that. >> larry david based the character of cramer on a real guy named kenny cramer that lived in new york, and originally he did not wanthis name to be used so they called him kessler in the pilot. eventually he changed his mind. it was a good idea because he became famous and t real cramer is a new york celebrity. >> i have six crabby old ladies

from north carolina. this is a scene from this cartoon comedy, okay? >> happy, dad? >> s. >> good. commence shoveling. >> no. we're going to say grace first. >> oh, rub adub dub, face in the grub. >> before the simpsons pilot debuted in 1989, on which show were they featured? anybody know? >> late night with david letterman? >> no. you crabby old ladies can fight over this, okay? >> y knowhere's going to be a big fight. so the actual answer is the tracey ullman show. >> remember on the tracey ullman show back in the '80s they did one-minute cartoon every week in the show there was the simpsons. it was ve popular, obviously. they got their own show in '89,

and it's now the longest-running show in the history of television. a couple of years ago they broke the record set by gun smoke now in its 22nd season. >> amazing. back across to kath. this gentlemen from white is from wisconsin. every episode of gray's anatomy is named aft the song. the pilot of the show was named after which beatles song? that wrong. you're going to love my way home. you're going to love it. >> the correct answer is, d, a hard day's night. >> these are really hard questions. a lot of the gray's anatomy episode e named after beatles

songs, and in the pilot so many actors are not there anymore. katherine heigl went off to become movie star. washington, i don't know what he's doing these days. t.r. knight is gone, he walke away from $14 million. he has braidway play opening in a coule of weeks. >> back across to kath. >> this is beautiful family from nova scotia. >> check out this clip from "goldengirls." >> i'm fine. >> i wouldn't have been fine. i don't know what i'd do it charlie paid a visit. >> wch of the golden girls was not origally a regular character, rose, sophia, dorothy or blanche. >> sophia. >> you got that e. >> she started off as not one of the originals. >> she was going to be on there occasionally, walk on, say a few funny lines. she was so greatas sophia and

everybody loved her so much, she became a regular. there was another xhashgt in the pilot who was a housekeeper/cook guy named cocoa. they had to get rid of cocoa to have enough lines for four actresses. as they do on tv shows, actors count their lines. i'm sure they were walking around with calculator. cocoa had to go. they had to give lines to all of them. >> thanks for coming by and seeing us. how to stop breast cancer from showing up in your future next.

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"today's health" is brought to you by dannon, proud to support the fight against breast cancer. time for facts about the breast cancer. the average woman has a 12.6% chance of developing the disease sometime during her fetime. in this year alone more than 200,000 women were diagnosed with it. >> what can you do to help

prevent breast cancer and what should you know? >> aot of people who have breast cancer didn't have a faily history of it it, and i thought it was a big indicators. that's not always the case often? >> it's usually not the case. about 80% of women that get diagnosed with breastancer come to me and say, how could this happen to me? i don't have a family history of it it. >> is it because they don't know a relative died from it due to screeng, it might be in the family genes. >> the gene factor is a small number of breast cancers. the hereditary breast cancer is a small number. >> everyone is about prevention. they tell you to do the self-exam and we have some props. what's the right way to do a

self-exam? people don't necessarily know how to do it coectly. >> it depends on the size of your breasts, right. >> correct. as far as when we're doing a breast self-examination, the most important part which i try to explain to the women is you job isn't to try to detect that you have breast cancer it's to lea what your breast feels like and see if there's anything that's different. >> this is the tail, the area towards your armpit. there's lots of different methods and none of them are correct. what i recommend is you go up and down, so check using your fingertips and pressing hard. you do it in the shower or when lying down. you can also think of the breast like a clock and go around. >> if you feel something pretend and hurts, like it feels like it's painful, is that a good sign or a bad sign? >> the answer is it's usually a good sign.

you can't reliably say if it hurts then i don't have to worry about it, it's n a big deal. >> it still needs to be checked out. >> any breast lump needs to be checked out. >> a lot of people have fibrous tissue. when should you ring the alarm bells and get checked? >> that's why the breast self-examination helps in that. if you do your breast exams relatively consistently and something feels different, that's the time when you raise the alarms. you bring it and say to your doctor, listen, i've never felt this before. it's there now and feels different. that's going to put a lot more weight on it >> get a mammogram after the age of 40. >> thanks so much. we appreciate it. we'll be back with more of "today" on nbc.

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>> people love the beyonce. michelle wrote in hoda's reaction was priceless. that's exactly how i would wrote. dean wrote shut the funk up! beyonce! >> what is she doing there? that is so amazin >> i love seeing her and her mom again. it's like she's 12 years old again. they adore each other. both great ladies. >> bill cosby and patti labelle tomorrow. >> have an awesome wednesday, everybody. >> have an awesome wednesday, everybody. bye-bye. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com