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captions paid for by nbc-universal television good morning, everyone. welcome to "today" on a sunday morning. i'm lester holt. >> i'm jenna wolfe. safeo say june cleaver was the tv mom for genations of americans. >> since 1957. folks know her as the mom, but for her delightful role in "airplane." remember the stewardess. >> like the carol brady and the claire huxtable of tv moms. >> delightful lady and we feel. we are going to have more coming up. a role model in real life. we'll talk to jerry matters who played beev on the hit show and get his recollections. >> our countdown to the mid term elections. president obama and the first lady campaigned yesterday on the

frantic drive to the polls 16 days away. we'll have the latest coming up. >> switching gearses a triale have been following the terrifying case of the home invasion and murders in connecticut. the sentencing phase is set to begin. >> steven hayes convicted of murdering of mother and two daughters. the jury has to decide if he should live or die. my one-on-one conversation with condoleezza rice. a candid interview on being secretary of state and how her parents led her on a path to history. first closing in the mid term elecons with the power in congress at stake and with the clock ticking the can dates are bringing out the big guns to make their case david gregory moderor of nbc's "meet the press" and joins us from washington. good to see you. >> good morning. >> the president has been out there, now the first ladys joining on the campaign trail, is this as far as the white house is concerned right now, a five-alarm type fire all hands on deck. >> it is. because the big issue is democratic turnout. the president, the first lady,

the vice president are going out with a singular message. this election matter it's high stakes. you can't sit on the sideles even if you're a democrat who's disappointed with the white house. so these are the top tier viously going o and saying, african-american voters, younger voters, the pillars of the democratic base, encourage them to get out. there's a lot of racestill close across the country and turnout will matter. >> the president was in massachusetts yesterday, he's been in places where democrats are expected to do well and then places where there's ait of a struggle. what is the strategy right now? is there a sense maybe we'll lose the house, but we have a whole firewall for the senate? >> yes. there's certainly that. for republicans they still have to run the table in order to win the senate. if the wave is big enough it could happen. that's part of the strategy, mitigating the damage in the house. the background is very interesting. whe the president's really focusing his time are states that he won, that he carried in

2008. that is what's striking here. the president has really lost more of his appeal to independent voters and his ability to move around the country. you showed a picture of bill clinton the other day. he's going to be campaigning in colorado on monday, not president obama, because it is clinton who, according to people i've talked to in colorado, is the most popular pitical figure in that state. a big change since two years ago. >> clinton one of the big guns. on the republican side, sarah palin finished up a three day swing in california with michael steele. she got a lot of notoriety for backing tea party candidates in the primaries, but are those candidates now, in some ways, surrogates for her own trial for a run at the presidency? how much does she have personally riding on this? >> i think she has a lot. i think that you have seen some shifting ground here. i think that sarah palin is taking more steps to position herself for a r in 2012.

there's still a big leap to say whether she does it. she can be a king maker inhis cycle, a big force within the rty, and still have a great platform even if she doesn't run. she's considered a rock star. you're seeing her put in place, a framework to make that run in 2012, and i think there's even signs she's doing some things, substantively to position herself. >> david gregory, thank very much. >> you bet. >> he's jenna. >> all right. lester, thank you. this morning, new details of life under groundor those rescued chilean miners. several appeared on a talk show to describe their two-month ordeal. talie was invited t join them on the show to talk about the obal impact of the trapped miners. natal natalie, good morning. >> good morning to you, jenna. >> tell me a little bit about the miners and their spirits and their health, how are they doing, how are they feeling since coming out? >> they seemed a little subdued as you would imagine. they were pretty emotional about

their experience at certain points. although they have made aact not to talk about the details, they kept remindinghe host and viewers they have that pact and sticking with it, we did start to hear a lot of the details of the horror the went through over the last few months. so i think it was probably one of the most revealing interviews to date and all of them are doing fairly well in terms of their health. mario gomez, the oldest on the panel said he's doing fine. he said he's fine. one of the young men on the package also had som teeth pulled out. physically they're doing great. i think it's the emotional part. they're coping with a lot to get through this. they went through probably the hardest experience that anybody could possibly imagine and i think they've all said that they really being in their own beds the thing they wanted too most, they were having a really hard time adjusting.

>> i'm sure. what can you tell us about some of the opportunities that have come their way, some of thehe lucrative deals we've heard so much about in the last couple days? >> well, they, of course, are getting offers from evewhere to talk and as i said they made this pact that whatever they do, whatever money they make from appearances, they will share amongst the 33. soccer matches around ma dids, manchester united, luxury vacations planned, there are, you ow, talks of book deals and movie deals. they're getting lots of offers. going back to what they revealed, you know, to let you know some of the things they were telling us, is that one of the guys said probably the daest moments for him was wn he saw himself dying. he said i saw death. and you know that really kind of said it all. they also said the videos that theyubmittedo their families from below ground, that they actually didn't show a lot of what they were feeling.

essentially, you know, saying that they put on a good front so that their families wouldn't worry. >> all right. natalie, we thank you so much for your time. we're going to see much more of that interview tomorrow morning on "today." thank you. >> time now to che the morning's other headlines. for that we're going to go over to melissa francis at the news desk. good morning. >> good morning, leste jenna, everyone. we begin with the latest in the investigation of the american killed in mexico while jet skiing with his wife. on friday mexican authorities interviewed tiffany hartley for a second time. authorities say she's given them helpful new details about the incident. hartley and her husband david were jet skiing on falcon lake en she says mexican pirates shot him in the neck. his body has not been found. the man who operated the dril to reach the trapped miners in chile returned home saturday to colorado. family and friends greeted jeff hart like a hero. drilling water wells for the u.s. army in ahanistan when he got the call to go to chile.

he said this mission was a fairy tale come true. overseas now to central china where rescuers are battling gas build up at a coal mine where 11 miners are trapped. the fear is the mers may have suffocated or been buried by coal dust. in a gold mine in ecuador rescue teams have found the bodies of two miners. two others are still trapped there. it's being called america's greatest technological achievement. the bridge opened to pedestrians on saturday. thousands walked across the mike o'callahan/pat tillman memorial bridge connecting nevada and arizona. it will open to car traffic later this week. finally after 31 years, the liberace museum is shutting its doors today. the museum had been one of las vegas's bgest tourist attractions, but its run into hard times. it contained the costume, pianos and cars own by the flamboyant

enterta entertainer. back to lester, jenna -- >> thereou go. >> absolutely. and a good sunday morning. i'm news 4 meteorologist chuck bell. beautiful bright blue sky on a sunday morning. temperatures in the upper 40s to near 50 in most of the neighborhoods. 50 degrees downtown. 46 in frederick, maryland. 47 degrees in winchester and 40 on the nose in la plata, maryland. sunshine for the reinder of the day with temperatures into the low and mid-70s. upper 60s tomorrow with clouds coming back. showers for tuesday and wednesday and that's your weekend

weather. lester? >> condoleezza rice is one of the most accomplished women of our time, a skilled pianist, educator and the first black woman to become secretary of state. for all that she has her parents to thank. her book "extraordinary ordinary people" does just that. it's a tribute to her parents john and angina rice who made everything possible. and condoleezza rice is here with us this morning to talk about it all. dr. rice, good morning, and nice to have you ba. >> nice to be re. >> when the bush presidency ended, iould have bet you would have ended up running the nfl or maybe running for office. the nfl thing didn't happen. is there a chance for run at office? >> oh, no. i'm a very happy professor. for the nfl life, as i told commissioner goodle that job looks better than tussles with the russians and arians. >> do you monday morning quarterback the headlines? doou pick up the paper and raid it differently than the rest of us? >> of course. i read it with some maybe broder

and deeper understanding of what's there. i know the plays. i know the issues quite well. but actually, i read it now and i can say, isn't that interesting. i don't have to do anything about what's in . in some ways it's a relief becauseight years is a long time. i was ready to be done with it. >> as we noted this book really takes us through your life, more or less not just points with the bush administration, you're going to write a book about the recent days later on, but could you write that book without first writing this one about your roots? >> it's interesting. i started the sort of traditional secretary of state memoir and then i thought, i'm going to stop and go back. because people keep asking me how do you become who you are. i always said you had to know john and angelina rice to answer that question. i wante people to understand that i didn't sort of come full blown from the head of medusa, i was a product of an environment in birmingham, alabama, segregated, but where parents

gave me unconditional love and family and community, believed in the power of education. >> they told you you had to be twice as good. >> right. >> i've heard other, you know, african-americans who tell similar stories. >> yes. >> their parents told them that. what does that mean? >> it means that if you are going to survive in the circumstances ofegregated birmingham, going to have a productive life, you have to be twice as good to show them that it's not warrante you're smarter, tougher, capable of learning and speaking foreign languages and pling mozart. i think it was a way really to challenge us, t kids of birmingham, not to be oppressed by the circumstances, not to feel that we were victims, but to take charge. >> did you eve get past that? you're national security adviser and sectary of state. a part of you that i've got to be better than anyone, twice as good? maybe a little bit. i don't think you outgrow that kind of thing. after a while you realize you

are fortunate to have a great foundation, that you're not intimidated by the circumstance. >> let me talk about afghanistan. we're at a point now we're losing soldiers at an incredible rate right now, taken aurn for the worse, there's some talk of wanting the u.s. to get out. would that be a mistake right now? >> i think the united states needs to remain committed to trying to have an afghanistan where the afghans have a decent life and where it's more secure. we have to remember that al qaeda plotted and planned september 11th from right there in afghanistan, they used the territory provided to them by the taliban,hat was an afghanistan by the way where girls couldn't go to school, women were being executed in soccer stadiums and where al eda buzz in. it's hard. afghanistan was always going to be hard. it's the fifth largest cntry in the world. david petraeus and the pentagon, admiral mull len, and we're

doing the right thing to try and help create a more stable afghanistan, a more stable pakistan, and that will make up for it. >> always good to have you on. dr. condoleezza rice, thanks so much. >> thank you. pleasure to be with you. >> the booke should let folks know again "extraordinary ordinary people." we'll be right back.

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seven hourof terror that ended in murder and mayhem, and finally three years later, a guilty verdict. >> there is some relief, but my family is sll gone. it doesn bring them back. it doesn't bring back the home that we had. >> reporter: steven hayes, a paroled burglar was convicted of torturing and killing dr. petty tight's wife jennifer and their daughter, 17-year-old hailey and 11-year-old ma kayla. prosecutors showed the jury disturbing images, how they say hayes and another man tiedim to the pole in the basement and beat him with a baseball bat. they showed the bed post his daughters were tied to upstairs and videos mrs. pettitte's last act at a local bank trying to pay off the suspects. and then, prosecutors say hayes and h accomplice burned the house down, killinghis mother and her daughters, still inside. dr. pettitte never missed day of

court. painfully reliving his family's final moments. >> most of you out here are good human beings. i think you all probabl would do the same thing for your falies if your family was destroyed by evil. >> reporter: now dr. pettitte has to endure another mini trial of sorts. as the jury considershayes' fate. >> the prosecution is going to talk about the aggravating factors which include the murder was committed while other felonies we being committed, that multiple victims were killed, and that the victims were killed in a particularly cruel and depraved manner. >> reporter: connecticut has only executed one person since 1960. still it may be an uphill fight for hays to avoid the death penalty. legal experts say his lawyers might claim he's unstable and deserves mercy. for dr. pettitte three years after the lossf his family the nightmare seem endless. >> i miss them every day and i think i just start to focus on them and the goodness they had

to try toet through each day. >> reporter: now, the pettittes killer waits to learn from a jury whether his own life will end. so the jury is expected to hear nearly two weeks of evidence during this penalty phase and i korgds to the judge in superior court they could begin deliberations and steven hayes' fate by november 1st. >> terrible story. thank you so much. we'll be right back right after these messages. these airline credit cardsf that advertise flights for 25,000 miles? but when you call... let me check. oh fudge, nothing without a big miles upcharge. it's either pay their miles upcharges or connect through mooseneck! [ freezing ] i can't feel my feet. we switched to the venture card from capital one -- so no more games. let's go see those gndkids. [ male announcer ] don't pay miles upcharges. don play games. get the flight you want with the venture card at capitalone.com. [ loving it ] help! what's in your wallet?

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welcome back. 58 degrees here in upper northwest washington. on our way into the 70s today. your forecast details coming up. it's 8:26 on this sunday, october 17th. i'm aaron gilchrist. the search has resumed for a woman who went missing while rog rowing on the occoquan river. she left around noon yesterday but never returned. the woman's boat was found capsized in the river. her family says she's an experienced boater and was preping for a race today. fairfax county crews were back on the water as of 7:00 this morning. the man arrested in connection

with a man's death now out of jail on lesser charges. the five dc-9 bar workers were arraigned on carges of aggravated assault. they say ali mohammed mohammed died earlyriday morning after being kicked on stomped by the employees. he had allegedly thrown a brick through th bar's window. d.c. water crews hope to have all of constitution avenue open in time for tomorrow morning's rush. constitution is still closed between ninth and 12th streets this morning because of a water main break friday night near the national mall. they hope to have the main repaired this morning but the road repas will take longer than expected. alex and dre yeah cab drivers will not receive any punishment if they have bad manne manners. it is not to approve a controversial proposal that would have regulated the driver's actions. if passed drivers could have been fined or had their licees suspended for rude behave are yor. driver will, however, face fines if a complaint it filed.

and welcome back. chuck has all the details on our forecast. >> it's going to be a nice day to be outside. plenty of october sunshine out there for you. temperatures are going to be running four or five degrees warmer than average for this time o the year so we'll appreciate that. temperatures will be up io the low 70s for move of the midafternoon hours today. so get outside and enjoy a little bit of october sunshine. a little bit of fall foliage and color. mainly west of skyline driveor now up into the mountains of west virginia. had to go out in far western maryland before the good color just yet. meanwhile get your sunday morning started. temperatures are in the chly mid-40s now most of the western suburbs. near 50 around town and upper 40s across much of maryland. there's your forecast for your sunday. mostly sunny and warm. a little breezy at tim today. winds out of the west 1 to 15 miles an hour. highs 70 to 75. sunshine in the morning. clouds on the increase tomorrow

afternoon. rain free tomorrow but rain becomes likely by tuesday morning anlingers into wednesday. a little rain has to fall every now and then. >> thankyou, chuck. and a full hour of local news and weather at 9:00. . and how about that, we're back on this sunday morning, october 17th, 2010. nice crowd outside on the plaza alongside lester holt i'm jenna wolfe. >> another gorgeous fall-like day. i like this. i like putting on the jacket. does that make me a bad guy? >> lester,ery few things make you a bad guy. >> that's what ianted to hear. >> still to come, barbara billingsley played the mother on "leave it to beaver." shdied on saturday. she was the quintessential tv mom. jerry mathers who played her son beaver is going to join us in a moment to talk about it. >> also, being hoda, hot da kotb

our colleague opening up about the joys and challenges of her life, and what's what it's really lik to work with kathie lee gifford. >> first time reading that book, actually. >> just like -- >> picked it up for the first time. >> what story. >> i can't put it down. >> we'll talk to her comingup. >> we'll talk about the science of dating. believe it or not it has been reduced to an actual science. what does your pernality say about your love life? you're going to take our quiz and find out and yeah, the answer may actually surprise you. so we're going to talk about that. rst we want to get another check of the weather. >> stt williams i here with that. hey, scott. >> good morning, lester and jenna, and good morning, everyone. as we talk about the weather across the country here, fairly quiet conditions on this sunday. really watching a jet stream well far to the north. looking at temperatures comfortable as we start as we lookt the high today, new york city, 70

go sunday morng. i'm news 4 meteorologist chuck bell off to a nice start in the washington area this morning. temperatures are mostly in the mid and upper 40s now. a cple of cool spots down to waldorf and la plata. low 50s in st. mary's county. 50 degrees here in town. 46 in frederick, maryland. our forecast today filled with sunshine. temperatures up into the low 70s for time this afternoon. clouds come back tomorrow and another chance for rain showers on tuesday and wednesday. >> for your weather 24 hours a day, logon to weather.com. weave some folks here from arkansas. you all, unfortunately, the razorbacks lost, but we have football night in america. sunday night football right here

on nbc. the indianapolis colts taking on the washington redskins at fedex field. looking pretty good. clear and cool, look for temperaturesn the mid and upper 50s. so not bad football weather. keep it here to nbc. lester? >> scott, thanks very much. as june cleaver, barbara billingsley was the perfect tv mom. she was calm and collected and often in high heels and pearls. the actss died at her moment in californi saturday. jerry mathers, who played her son beaver, will join us in just a moment. but first, a look back at her life and career. >>leave it to beaver." >> reporter: she will always be membered as america's favorite mom. >> hi, beaver. how was the party? >> reporter: as june cleaver, the kind and caring stay at home mom to a pair of precocious boys on "leave it to beaver," barbara billingsley was a perfect fit. her own two sons said she was pretty much the image of mrs. cleaver in real life. >> well, you lie down now and

take a nap. >> reporter: during "leave it to beaver's" six-year television run beginning in 1957, billingsles character was always there to gently, but firmly, nurture wally and beaver, through the ups and downs of childhood. billingsley began acting when she herself was just a child and herv career spanned five decades. >> stewardess, i speak jive. >> reporter: after "leave it to beaver," billingsley resurfaced in 1980 in a cameo as an elderly passenger in the comedy satire "airplane." billingsley, and a "leave it to beaver" cast, reunited numerous times over the years, while her association with that one role, billingsley, admitted made it hard for her to do other things, she once said, as far as i'm concerned, it's been an honor. barbara billingsley, an inspiration both on and off the screen, with us now from burbank, california, jerry mathers, who, of course, played beaver on the classic sitcom.

jerr good morning. and we do want to extend our condolences. you guys remained close over the years, didn't you? >> yes, we certain did, lester. she was just a wderfulperson. she was as nice as she was on the screen and you think she would be, she was even better than that. she was aentor toe and i was -- i'm just so sad at her passing. >> you know, she was -- she was your tv mom. i think in manyays she was all ofur tv moms. you had your own mother. tell me the relationship that you had -- i think you were 9 or 10 when you came on the set for the first me? >> well, actual, i had met barbara earlier because we actually were the only two cast members that did the pilot, so that was probably in about 1956. and she was just the most gracious, wonderful person. to me, she was like a mentor. e was always very helpful. she always looked out for me. one of her things was, she loved manners and she was always telling me the proper way to eat, the things -- the w to

set up the silverware, put your napkin on your lap, and just little things like that to help a boy that, as i say, had -- was there with her. i had my own mother, my own family, but barbara was just the most wonderful person i ever knew. like your most favorite teacher except i got to be in that same class for six years and know her my whole life. i'm just deeply satnd. sadden saddened. >> t show went on the air in 1957. i'm pretty convince is i could go right now and flip my chael and eventually find "leave it to aver." it's been running all these years, hasn't it? >> it's the longest running show, scripted show, in television history. it's never been off the air in 52 years. shows all over the world. it shows in about 40 languages and has shown in i think it's 0 countries. when "leave it to beaver" was on, a lot of people -- television was new. television really only came in in the '50s. people in other countries had an idea that eitr americans were

cowboys or indians or gangsters because that's what a lot of our tv shows, cops and robbers and westerns. "leave it to beaver" presented the american family to a lot of foreign countries and i think it mate have changed how they thought about how he lived. >> you mentioned that she was a role model to you, but i know you've also known that she was funny. i think a lot of us certainly saw a side of her tt you probably knew when we saw her appear in "airplane." we showed the clip in 1980. whenou saw her do that, did you say, that's the barbara billingslei remember? >> yes. she did have a little bit of the devil in her in that she was just so much fun to be around. she always had -- if you were a little down, barbara could always pick you right back up. she had an effer vessens about her that made you feel gd to be around her and be with her. listen, jerry, we thank you so much for coming on and spending time with us and sharing your memories of your friend barra billingsley. we're all going t miss her.

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and so does biology. >> i stumbled on these rules of nature that we are chemically drawn to some people ratr than others. >> reporter: after pouring ove 40,000 responses to a questionnaire she developed for chemistry.com, fisher believes she's solved the riddle of romantic chemistry and has zeroed in on four different personality types based on chemicals in our brain. >> people who are expressivef the dough ma pa mean system, they are explorers, energetic, curious, creative, and join to people like themselves. another type of person w expresses a lot of serotonin, the builder. they're traditional, conventional, cautious, follow the rules. they tend to be dra to people like themselves. but e third and the fourth type, the kind that is high testosterone and estrogen they're drop toopposites. i ca them the director. they're alytical, logical, decisive, tough minded, good at things like math. they are drawn to the negotiats. they see the big picture.

they've got good people skills, imaginative and intuitive. >> reporter: based on fisher's findings you can have one dominant personality type and a secondary one. >> i measure to one degree you spread all four of these types. >> repter: christina and charles have been dating two years and are expting a baby early next year. the couple took the questionnaire and volunteered to get some insight from fisher. >> both of you have a negotiator in you. >> yes. >> you're the director first and she's the negotiator. when i look at your scores, the negotiator and the director are wonderl conversations i figured you wouldhave. >> yes, ma'am. >> also because you have that negotiator in you, that estrogen, you probabl can reach deep intimacy. >> absolutely. >> one of the things i like about the director, you know what you've got. >> i have been called bossyn the past and in the present too. >> that's the director. >> the explorer has a great many interests, great deal of energy.

>> you picked a really nice match. >> oh, good! >> and joining us now with more insight is helen fisher author of "why him why her how to find and keep lasting love." good morning, helen. >> good morning. >> chemistry.com, they met. >> they did. >> that's a chemistry baby. that's one of my babies. >> there you go. let's talk about that. you say our personality is based on four separate types. . the explors are spontaneous, director devicisive and negotiators are the compassionate ones. is it possible to reduce all of us to four personality types? >> there's a great personality is extremely complicated. at least 50% of your personality comes from your upbringing, your experiences in life, your various interests. a good 50% does come from your biology and there's only a couple -- only four broad chemical systems in the brain that code for personality styles and so these are very broad

personalty styles. we are a combination of all of them. >> right. >> but i, for example, am largely the dough ma meannd estrogen. i would call myself an explorer negotiator. >> should you only date explow ploerer negotiators. can you date outse your personality? >> timing plays a role. we're drawn to people of the same intellectual baground, education background, socioeconomic background. but within those categories the explorer will be most drawn to another explorer i looked at 28,000 people. people willsay, we had chemistry. they want to know what does that mean. does basic body chemistry, personality style, draw you naturally towards some people rather than others. it is true. >> does this sort of take away from the whole opposites attract? we want to be attracted to someone of our same personality type or someone that's different from us? >> depends on who you are. somebody like brad pitt and angelina jolie they're big-time explorers and explorers are

drawn to each other. they want somebody who's going to get office couch at midnight and go sailing in the sound. they want excitement. they want novelty, they are enertic. >> they like that about each other. >> they want somebod to go with them. but somebody like hillary clinton and bill clinton, are very different. she is the director type. she's the high teosterone, tough minded, direct decisive, he's the high estrogen type, actually. he's the one that cried at chelsea's wedding. she didn't. >> right >> and he sees the big picture. the whole world knows he can't stop talkin he has good people skills. very compassionate. i found that the director, the tough-minded, goes for that tender hearted and vice vers this is one of the reasons i think hillary and bill have stayed together in might spite of a lot of problems. they're bringing different talents, biological talents, to the relationship. >> lik you said sometimes you mentioned timing can definitely

be a factor. >> absolutely. >> i may be attracted to an explorer back when i'm in my explorer days but may want someone to set mel down more -- >> i think that's the point. you are probably not going to change. >> i'm n going to change. at birth i popped out of the womb and i was exploring. >> where are we and let's go me place. >> absolutely. >> i can even say some of your biolo biology. >> before we go, just from having known me for the last 48 seconds, can you tell me what i may be? >> i'm positive you would be an plorer type. you cannot do the job that you do. to do what you do every day you have to be spontaneous, quick, you have to have a lot of interest, you have to know about a lot of different things, pull it together rapidly. >> wow. ego boost. i love this. >> you also have to be compassionate. you have to have verbal skills and people skills. i would peg you as part of my tribe. >> you can just help me with my resume, that wld be great. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> helen fier, thank you so much for your insight.

very interesting information. now here's my other explorer, lester. >> jenna, our next guest is an expler. she says she's an negotiator. >> a negotiator. >> seasoned journalist with a great sense of humor, fitting description for our own hoda kotb it's fitting she put her story on paper, the co-host of today's fourth hour, "how i survived cancer and kathie lee." hoda is with us. >> hi, lester. >> is it weird? >> this is a ltle weird. >> we wanted to make you feel at home with the fourth hour. those that don't watch the fourth hour should know -- we'll toast at the end. i think we should tst at the beginning. that's how we do it on my sho show. >> where did this come from, having the booze on the set. >> that was all kathie lee's idea. i didn't want anything to do with it. weecided one day, chelsea came on the show and she was doing it's not vodka, it's me chelsea, we want her to feel at me, brought a couple drink and we thout, this is fun. and then it just became a little

bit of a daily routine for us. >> we wanted to have intervention here, not -- we want to talk to you about your book. and one of the things you deal with in this book, the question you've had all your life, what are you? >> yeah. >> people look at your looks and hair, you're from oklahoma, born of egyptian parents. >> it's funny. ever since i was a little girl and had role call in school, the teacher would look up and go chris kennedy, mark kauffman, who -- is there anyone -- just wanted to shrink under the desk. how you hate being unique when you're younger, but when you're older you're glad it went that way. >> when i first started working at nbc and had to throw to tape, i would see the name on the prompter, hoda kotb. >> it's an odd one. >> you have -this has been a huge change for you. how long has the fourth hour been on? >> on with kathie lee a couple years. >> i love the story of how she ended up on the show, two of you. you saw her at lunch.

>> yeah. we were at michael's having lunch. i was with a friend of mine. i go there and i -- we end up eing her. we ask her to fill in one day. and something just clicked in. i mean, you know, kathie lee is -- >> went up and said do you want to fill in on the show. >> yes. they said we should try her out and see how that would work. she's a trip, lester. she comes in in the morning singing full voice. >> she is. she is exactly what you see. >> yeah. >> what you get. you had made this change because you write about covering war zones and years doing date "dateline," what a varied career you had. what's it like doing this sort of thing? >> it was weird initially. you go from covering all the hard news stories in afghanistan and baghdad and then i'm ughing and scratching with kathie lee. i realize we're all sortf multifacet. you know what mean? there are parts of me that wants to read "the new york times" and "wall street journal" and parts like to page through "us weekly" and "people" magazine.

>> you get serious things in your life. at the same period in your life you're dealing with a horrible breakup of your marriage and breast cancer. >> it's funny, this is what i learned from that stuff f you survive a big thing in your life whatever it is, whether is an illness or divorce or a loss of someone, if you're still standing at the end even if you're teetering you get four words, you get you can't scare me. so no matter what happens after that, you're still standing. i got to tell you, after i got sick and better, i went to my bosses at nbc and asked about this new hour of "today." i was always so intimidated and afraid to go up. it seemed so small to go ask for a promotion after somethingike that. and with the help of a lot of great friends it ended up working out. it's funny how somethi so awful can actually turn -- i thinif i hadn't gotten sick, i don't think i would be hosting this hour of the "today" show. >> we love you dearly. a tst to your success. congratulations on thebook. >> lester, thank you. >> any time.

>> i know you drink in here. >> we should make this -- >> so much better than the other way. >> would it be tackyo do sunday television. >> i don't think so. sunday brunch. >> just ahead, getting lost. jenna versus a corn maze. >> oh, my gosh. >> she found her way back because she's here. she will tell us about it after these messages. hard to breathe.. it makes it rd to do a lot of things. and i'm a guy who likes to go exploring . get my hands dirty... and try new things. so i asked my doctor if spiriva could help me breathe better. spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled maintenance treatment for both forms of copd... which includes chronic bronchitis andmphysema. spiriva keeps my airways open... to help me breathe better for a full 24 hours. and it's not a steroid. spiriva doesot replace fast acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. stop taking spiriva and call your doctor right away if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you get hives, have vision changes or eye pain... or have problems passing urine. tell your doctor if you have glaucoma, problems passing urine or an enlarged prostate...

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♪he thing i like about you ♪ how you speak your mind >> this morning generally speaking, a fall tradition that has me confused. we live in this world of never getting lost, map quest and google maps and gps. we walk around with those little gps devices. every fall, people turn out in droves to actually pay money to get lost on purpose.

in a corn maze. i don't quite understand it. generally spking, i don't get it. i headed out to the queens county museum to try out a corn maze for myself. ♪ let's plant that corn let's get planting that corn ♪ >> what is the concept of a maze? you're asking people to come in and do what? >> you're basically asking people to come in and get lost. >> you can take ten minutes to get out if you make every right decision. you can take up to an hour,our and a half. >> there are a bunch of rules. >> you have this flag so we can find you in the maze. no smoking. no runnin no cutting through the corn. and no gps. >> this is it. >> 11:16 is your starting time. >> that's my starting time. >> ready. >> yes. >> set. >> yes. >> get lost. awesome. corn, corn, corn. like a maze in here. it all looks the same.

♪ >> yes. i hate this corn maize. >> gps. enter destination. search. >> corn maize. >> make a left turn. make a right turn. >> right? >> make a left turn. >> left. >> next corn stalk. recalculating route. >> what? >> make a left turn. >> it's a dead end. look. dead end. it is not a dead end. >> oh. >> you have arrived. >> i am exhausted. >> don't listeto it. all right. laurie, i did it. how did i do? six hours?

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let's go back to washington and check in with david gregory to find out whas coming up on "meet the press." >> coming up the president ramps up the campaign fight. is he helping the democrats on the campaign trail and how will the administration respond ould there be big republican gains on election day. with us white house press secretary robert gibbs. our senate debate series continues. our focus colorado, michael bennett wil square off with the republican ken buck coming up on "meet the press." >> thanks. we'll see you in a bit.

>> that's going to do it for us on this sunday morning. scott williams and melissa francis. and you? >> i will be back tonight for "nightly news." >> that's what you do, work. >> so long. an experienced boater goes missing on the occoquan river. this morning the search for her continues and her family fears the worst. good morning. welcome to new4 today. i'm aaron gilchrist. >> and i'm kimberly suiters. it's sunday, october 17, 2010. we'll check in with meteorologist chuck bell who joins us live now in the studio. it's a lovely morning although the photogrhers who are standing out there waiting for "meet the press" interview, gloves. yeah, they said it's been bone chilling. >> they went to thro